Don’t be mislead by this poll. While 70% of Israelis would accept a Palestinian state, if approved by the UN, they would not accept 67 lines or East Jerusalem as its capital.
This poll, the title and the article are all leftist propaganda masquerading as impartial.
70% of Israelis say Israel should accept UN decision
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Israel should accept the decision if the UN recognizes a Palestinian state, about 70 percent of Israelis answered in a recent Hebrew University poll.
The poll, which was conducted jointly by the Harry S. Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah, also found that over 80% of the Palestinians support turning to the UN to obtain recognition of a Palestinian state. The survey was supported by the Ford Foundation Cairo office and the Konrad Adenauer Stiftung in Ramallah and Jerusalem.
As well as exploring Israeli and Palestinian attitudes to the Palestinian bid to the UN to obtain recognition as an independent state, the poll looked at other topical domestic issues within each population.
In response to questions about the Palestinian appeal at the UN, 83% of the Palestinians surveyed supported the move to obtain recognition for their state. Majorities on both sides, 77% of the Palestinians and 79% of the Israelis, believed that the US would use its veto power in the UN Security Council in order to prevent the UN from admitting the state of Palestine as a UN member.
In the face of UN recognition of a Palestinian state, 69% of Israelis thought that Israel should accept the decision and either start negotiations with the Palestinians about its implementation (34%) or not allow any change on the ground by the Palestinians (35%); 16% believed Israel should oppose the decision and intensify the construction in the settlements; 7% think that Israel should annex the PA territory to Israel; and 4% think Israel should invade the PA territories and use force to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Faced with the same scenario, Palestinian participants of the survey answered on how they thought Israel might be made to withdraw from PA territory: 26% of Palestinians supported a return to armed attacks on army and settlers; 37% thought peaceful non-violent resistance could be successful; and 30% supported negotiations with Israel. 54% of Palestinians in the West Bank said they would join large peaceful demonstrations in the West Bank and Jerusalem if they were to take place after the recognition of the Palestinian state.
Regarding the recent social protests in Israel, 44% of Israelis would favor the protest movement becoming a political party. If such a party participated in the next elections, 27% of the Israelis claimed that they would vote for it. Two thirds of Palestinians thought that the rising cost of living and their inability to provide a better future for themselves and their families could push them to demonstrate as well.
The Palestinian sample size comprised 1,200 adults interviewed face-to-face in the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza Strip in 120 randomly selected locations between September 15 and 17, 2011. The margin of error was 3%. The Israeli sample included 605 Israeli adults interviewed by phone between September 11-14, 2011. The margin of error was 4%.
You’re right about my math mistake John, but that doesn’t affect the underlying argument. If it’s unthinkable that 42% of Israeli Jews would support such a thing, how much more so 63%. It’s obvious to anyone who’s lived in Israel that they played some kind of game to get these numbers. Most likely with the way they worded the questions.
Robert Barnes’ arithmetic would fail him in a junior school! He points out that 18% of Israelis are non-Jews. Therefore, he says, you must deduct 18% from the 70% of Israelis who are prepared to accept a two-state solution. That, he claims, means that only 42% of Jewish Israelis support that view!
But his reasoning is worse than even that. The sample was of 605 persons. 70% would be 424. Let us assume that 18% of the sample were non-Jews – 109. Positing that all of them were in the 70%, the number of Jewish Israelis who were in that group must have been 315. But the number of Jewish Israelis in the sample will have been 496. Therefore 63.5% of Jewish Israelis, even on his hypothesis, are prepared to accept a two-state solution!
Norman and Gene,
The reason is the failure of the Jewish community around the world and the Israeli government to make the founding charters of the Palestinian organizations that control that community – on pain of death – part of common knowledge in the world. Abu Mazen knows better than anyone else that were he to compromise in any way with Israel, he would sleep with Allah that night.
The Palestinians have been nice enough TO PUT IN WRITING their objective of wiping Israel off the map and killing Jews – AND I CANNOT FIND ANY MENTION OR RECOGNITION OF THIS ANYWHERE, including from the top officials of the Israeli government, top officials of the US government or anyone at the UN.
These documents explain very clearly EVERYTHING that has happened in the middle-east at least since 1947, especially that the Palestinians have NO INTENTIONS of living alongside Israel – they want to REPLACE Israel and make it like its ethnically cleansed Muslim neighbors.
SO WHY THE HELL IS THIS NOT EVEN PART OF THE DIALOG?
I saw Michael Oren interviewed on Fox News a few days ago, and all I heard him emphasize is that Israel WANTED a two state solution, if only the Palestinians would “sit down with Israel and and negotiate”.
EXCUSE ME?! Was Oren being disingenuous, or is he unaware that the Palestinians want a one state solution, only on their terms? I understand he’s a diplomat, but this is ridiculous.
Arabs and liberals have endless patience, unlike Americans and Israelis. Notice that virtually every concession and compromise since 1947 has been made by Israel not by the Palestinians.
You may not even realize it but Israel has even tacitly acknowledged that the settlements are expendable, when they withdrew from Gaza and destroyed the settlements while doing so. Instead, they should have used the intransigence of Hamas to wipe it out, annexed Gaza and the West Bank formally, deported all the militants to Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, and told the rest of the world to come see them AFTER the Palestinians formally and publicly a) accept Israel as a Jewish state, b) renounce violence and c) re-write their charters to reflect this in no uncertain terms.
If you’re going to accept a status quo until hell freezes over, you might as well have one on your terms.
It doesn’t matter what you Jews think, Robert. What about the charters of any of the major Palestinian organisations do you fail to understand? These have been controlling events in the middle-east for decades now, and nobody in any position of influence even talks about them – WHEN EVERYBODY SHOULD BE BECAUSE THEY EXPLAIN WHY THERE CANNOT BE PEACE OR TWO STATES BECAUSE ONE SIDE ONLY WANTS ONE STATE – an Arab-style ethnically cleansed Muslim state called Palestine that will be an oppressive, totalitarian dictatorship like its neighbors.
Wise up, folks. Geez, Louise, what are they feeding you people recently that you need an Indian-American Christian supporter of Israel to tell you all this.
Polls, shmolls. as polls are only as good as the people who conduct them and they can be done so they say whatever you want them to say. when you look at who paid for this poll, well that is all you need to know about the value of this bit of crap.
The Jpost seems to have deleted my earlier comment from the article. I pointed out that the poll claims “70% of Israeli’s” and was conducted on a representative sample of 605 Israeli’s. That means the poll includes Israeli Arabs, about 18% of the population. You can pretty much assume 100% support among that population. That means that only about 42% of Israeli Jews supported the statement. Of course anyone living in Israel knows right off the bat that that number is ridiculously high. As Ted pointed out, they used slanted questions to get the desired result. No one to the right of Meeretz supports the unilateral declaration of a PA state on the 67 boarders with eastern Jerusalem as it’s capital. If they asked that question, you’d only get about 5 – 10% of Israeli Jews in support. This whole thing is just left wing propaganda and the JPost should be ashamed for running it without critical examination of the data.
It’s painfully apparent that JPost is dead-set on reflecting the outlook of its new owners. I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised to discover that.
But does anybody have any word on how that gallant firm of Glick, Gordon & Honig have been taking to the change?
Quite so.
It would, most inevitably, bring war
— and war, moreover, of hemispheric (or greater. . .) dimensions.
The 70% is a reflection of Israelis’ wish for peace. But a Palestinian state will not bring peace. It is much more likely to bring the exact oposite. They won’t be satisfied with a state, and they won’t be satisfied with the 67 boarders.
I purposely changed the headline because it was misleading as I pointed out.
Actually the story says the opposite of your headline. Israel’s Jews appear to be resigned to submitting to their enemies… like good dhimmis!
This is where twenty years of the so-called “peace process” have brought us!