Uri Ariel calls for improving conditions in areas A and B, applying Israeli sovereignty elsewhere, says PM’s peace bid futile
MOSCOW – Israeli minister Uri Ariel proposed removing “a few thousand Arabs” from Area C of the West Bank –– the 60% of the territory fully controlled by Israel — and then annexing it.
In an interview with The Times of Israel on Tuesday, Ariel (Jewish Home), the agriculture minister, also said the Israeli right is unconcerned over recent peace overtures by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu since they will eventually come to nothing. Nonetheless, Ariel, who opposes Palestinian statehood, complained that by invoking a desire for a two-state solution, Netanyahu is fueling the notion held by many Israelis that the creation of a Palestinian state is inevitable.
Rather than Palestinian statehood, Ariel urged the annexation of Area C and said NIS 10 billion (some $2.6 billion) should be poured into the other Palestinian areas to drastically improve the local population’s quality of life.
“We have to aspire to the annexation of Area C; these are areas where there are no Arabs at all,” Ariel said. “We would remove a few thousand, who do not constitute a significant numerical factor,” he added. Ariel did not specify how those Palestinians would be removed, or where they would be relocated.
Ariel’s party leader, Naftali Bennett, who has long proposed annexing Area C, has acknowledged that many tens of thousands of Palestinians live there, and said they should be given the option of Israeli citizenship. Ariel, by contrast, previously called for Israel to annex the entire West Bank, giving the Palestinians “permanent resident” status in the expanded Israel, and the possibility of full voting rights.
On the issue of Netanyahu’s recent talk of peace overtures, Ariel said: “I am not worried so much, even though there are surprises in life.”
Netanyahu’s repeatedly declared desire to reach a peace agreement with the Palestinians and his recent partial embrace of the Arab Peace Initiative, which calls for an Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 lines and a “just” and “agreed” solution to the refugee question, will lead nowhere because of Palestinian rejectionism, Ariel said.
“In the end the Arabs will not agree [because] there is no ‘right of return’ — and they want to return to wherever they want,” said Ariel, a long-time settler leader before he entered the Knesset with the right-wing Jewish Home. “In Israel everyone agrees — even the [center-left] Zionist Union — that there will be no right of return. And there are other issues which for the (Palestinians) are non-negotiable.”
However, Ariel continued, “there is an ongoing attack on the Israeli consciousness regarding the righteousness of our way.” Netanyahu, and others pledging allegiance to the idea of Palestinian statehood, contributes to a public perception that giving away parts of the Jewish homeland is inevitable, he said.
“Terms like ‘two states for two peoples’ lead the people that dwell in Zion [the Israeli people] to doubt our cause,” he said. Even those who believe in Israel’s right to the entire territory of the Holy Land start arguing that there is no other choice because the world insists on the creation of a Palestinian state, the minister said.
Ariel is the head of the far-right Tekuma faction in the Jewish Home party. He said he agrees with party leader Bennett, who has threatened to bolt the coalition should the government make territorial concessions.
“There is no way that we remain in a government that takes territory from the Land of Israel and hands it to others — the word ‘return’ isn’t appropriate — it’s ours, not theirs,” he said. “We have been there [in the West Bank] for 49 years, 50 years — compared to 19 years in which the Jordanians [controlled it.] There can be no comparison. It’s absurd.”
Ariel noted, however, that he had not discussed the peace process or related topics during recent talks with Netanyahu. He flew with the prime minister on this trip to Moscow this week — where he signed a memorandum of understanding on cooperation in agriculture, the dairy industry and advanced dairy technology with his Russian counterpart, Alexander Tkachev.
“We didn’t talk about this [issue], not even one word. We talked about other important issues. There are other important issues,” Uriel said.
Speaking to The Times of Israel on the sidelines of an Israel-themed exhibition near the Kremlin, Ariel said the government should launch a “very wide-ranging economic peace” with the Palestinians in the West Bank. “Bring gas to Nablus and water to Hebron and build roads and hospitals and whatever they need. This is possible and it is necessary.”
Specifically, the government should earmark NIS 10 billion ($2.6 billion) over the next 10 years to “invest in economic projects that benefit the population,” he said. Major projects should be launched unilaterally, he added.
“In order to lay a gas pipeline to Hebron you don’t need anyone’s agreement. Just do it,” he said. “This is not something the State of Israel can’t cope with. We could do it unilaterally, and tell the world what we’re doing. I think doors will open in a way that is not happening today.”
In addition to such economic measures for areas A and B, Ariel called for the annexation of Area C, arguing that the very few Palestinians who live there could easily be evacuated.
It is a fallacy to argue that an Israeli annexation of large parts of the West Bank is impossible due to universal international opposition to such a move, he argued.
“They said it wouldn’t happen and then it happened: They said there wouldn’t be a Jewish state, and it was created,” Ariel said. The annexation of East Jerusalem, the absorption of a million Russian Jews, the evacuation of thousands of Israeli Jews from Gaza and other events that people refused to believe could happen prove that “one can never say never,” he said. “In Israel, the most expected thing is that every 10 years an unexpected mega-event occurs.”
@ CuriousAmerican:
CuriousAmerican Said:
no I didnt…. condemnations of jew hater violence have no effect. My condemnation is to Jews to stop accepting double standards and to liquidate the enemy without mercy or apology. The enemy daily make their choice when they teach their children that jews are sons of apes and pigs OR when they lie about the Jews connections to Israel OR when they fund honor killers to kill Jews OR when spread blood libels..OR…….
But, it appears to not matter what the Jews think or do…. someone else appears to be dealing with the matter now.
Observe the facts unfolding and see if you can find the logic.
“things are falling apart, the centre cannot hold…”
CuriousAmerican Said:
CuriousAmerican Said:
According to you, I have no character.
No bittin, good, that’s the first lesson.
CuriousAmerican Said:
You need to be more concise in expressing yourself.
CuriousAmerican Said:
apparently you have been rendered speechless
Perhaps its because you know I can see right into your soul, that you are transparent, and that your disguise is as effective as “the emperors clothes”
perhaps you recognized yourself
bernard ross Said:
you should stop wasting your time baiting Jews, it would be much healthier for you to try to convince the honor killers and the euros to something right… according to the Covenant.
Look around, look at what is happening all over the world with those defaming Israel and the Jews…. perhaps you are on the wrong side of the equation. Something appears to be going on, something that does not appear to make sense logically… perhaps you should reconsider the choices you have made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDC0b7rfK5U
CuriousAmerican Said:
a waste of money… gasoline and matches will do the trick
I would like to see the crowd at a terrorist funeral napalmed
my bad?
All Jews, no! But i do not believe the 1948 official history from either side.
Keep a good thought.
Another special thought. Unfortunately for you, I do not support them. Nor do I want to see Israel destroyed. But that probably will not stop you from wanting me harmed.
You are on a roll … and you condemn others for rejoicing in violence.
Did not takey our Prozac today, did you?!
Have a nice day!
Are you a cop?!
Speak up! Do not hold back, BR.
CuriousAmerican Said:
why would you say that… are you intimating that I and the Jews are liars?
I would like them driven out and seen to be suffering because for those who celebbrate jews deaths, for those who teach their children that Jews are sons of apes and pigs… their suffering should be with great misery befitting of their filthy crimes.
As you know I wish the same for their supporters who give them funds and daily do the libeling and swindling… surely such folk deserve to suffer in the most merciless and heinous fashion…. Remember that I told you last year that the euros would suffer the same fate, and that you should hurry and buy your popcorn for the show…. that those who stalked and pursued the jews back to their homeland and paid the honor killers to slaughter jews, and told lies about jews with the purpose of inciting the muslims to slaughter just as the church did in medieval times….all such folk deserve to be plagued by those they hired to destroy the Jews.
Its important that such filth meet their fate in public view…. I feel the same way about jew baiters who get pleasure from ensnaring Jews into games as a form of sadistic pleasure… such folk should get the same fate as those at yatta. I long to see them marching on a trail of tears with a picture of the smoke rising from their homes in the background…. then I might feel a little better about them being left alive…. after all… anyone who teaches their children that jews are sons of apes and pigs should not be allowed to live…… just saying 🙂
so you can see why it is important that they flee in fright and terror….. the same that they seek for the Jews…. whether they flee voluntarily or are forced it makes no difference… as long as they suffer so that they can remember that is what they sought for the Jews.
Those in syria and Iraq, in lebanon and libya and egypt and yemen who for centuries shouted to kill the yahud are now fleeing their homes and suffering…. and the same will happen in europe.CuriousAmerican Said:
of course it was the issue.. and it was your point… you would have loved to see the jews in uganda or uruguay rather than in the homeland from which they were driven by the euros. This is how you get your jollies…. by telling the jews they should be in argentina or some other such irrelevant place when you know full well that Israel, Jerusalem and Zion and Judaism is the land and the bible that your people hijacked, stole, swindled for thousands of years. The fact that distressed stockholm syndrome jews considered those lands is because they were always being slaughtered by your ancestors. But dont add insult to injury by inferring that the jews from zion, from Israel from jerusalem should bow to your creed and that of the mohammedans and give your people what they stole and what they now want the muslims to have instead of the Jews.
Anyone saying, other than jews with no other hope, that jews should have gone to those places is an anti semite… especially one who knows the history that his people stole from the jews with their land.
You always talk about what the muslims think or would do… it is irrelevant… they would kill all the jews if they could, and it is that fact which should govern all considerations of peace or war.
CuriousAmerican Said:
why would you say that… are you intimating that I and the Jews are liars?
I would like them driven out and seen to be suffering because for those who celebbrate jews deaths, for those who teach their children that Jews are sons of apes and pigs… their suffering should be with great misery befitting of their filthy crimes.
As you know I wish the same for their supporters who give them funds and daily do the libeling and swindling… surely such folk deserve to suffer in the most merciless and heinous fashion…. Remember that I told you last year that the euros would suffer the same fate, and that you should hurry and buy your popcorn for the show…. that those who stalked and pursued the jews back to their homeland and paid the honor killers to slaughter jews, and told lies about jews with the purpose of inciting the muslims to slaughter just as the church did in medieval times….all such folk deserve to be plagued by those they hired to destroy the Jews.
Its important that such filth meet their fate in public view…. I feel the same way about jew baiters who get pleasure from ensnaring Jews into games as a form of sadistic pleasure… such folk should get the same fate as those at yatta. I long to see them marching on a trail of tears with a picture of the smoke rising from their homes in the background…. then I might feel a little better about them being left alive…. after all… anyone who teaches their children that jews are sons of apes and pigs should not be allowed to live…… just saying 🙂
so you can see why it is important that they flee in fright and terror….. the same that they seek for the Jews…. whether they flee voluntarily or are forced it makes no difference… as long as they suffer so that they can remember that is what they sought for the Jews.
Those in syria and Iraq, in lebanon and libya and egypt and yemen who for centuries shouted to kill the yahud are now fleeing their homes and suffering…. and the same will happen in europe. Those that insulted the Jews with UNESCO should suffer the same fate.
A thermobaric bomb on Yatta. Maybe the way to go; just don’t say they fled voluntarily.
That was not the issue and you know it. You distort my point.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Uruguay and Patagonia are not Zion. Jerusalem is not in Argentina.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjfFpFW9OdA
this illustrates the fake morality and “ethics” of Israel towards the muslim lunatic collective. The entire village of yatta should be burned down and all the inhabitants deported. They are guilty as a collective, they raise their filthy spawn to the same…… they must be punished as a collective. tearing down a single terrorists house inaccurately portrays them as individual criminals but their crime is a collective crime. They all teach their filthy spawn that jews are sons of apes and pigs.
Trump makes sense for Israel too, it is in the mosques where the terror murders against jews are incited and instructed… the mosques should be closed an burned down to prevent future murders. There must be an end to PC, the muslims must be seen as a terror collective and driven out from any civilized area.
Rephrase that. You have just given me a straight line, which redounds against your character. I ain’t bitin’.
Speaking of distortions. You post is an example.
What I was saying – see if you can catch it this time – is that HAD the Jewish people put a state in Uruguay, the Arabs would not be fighting the Jews as a people-state.
The idea for South America was Herzl’s idea, not mine.
From the Jewish Virtual Library
My point was that while Islam is evil, the Arabs see this as a national liberation struggle.
Again:
I have pointed this out many times to this board from Jewish authors, and Jewish websites, but you , rather than admitting this aspect, continue to slander.
I was pointing out this national aspect to the struggle. Islam fuels it, but they would have fought anyway. Read Jabotinsky, will you?!
Jabotinsky referred to Zionism as “colonialisation.” Maybe a poor choice of words, but that is what he said. That is certainly how the Arabs see it. They see you as Crusaders of a different denomination, and yes, they compare you to Crusaders.
As for insulting me in Spanish, your Spanish is either heavily dialectal or flawed. In any event, you did not have the guts to insult me in the open, which says more about you than me.
The fact is: The Arabs are not opposed to a Jewish state, but rather a Jewish state in what they perceive as their neck of the woods.
Had Herzl prevailed over the rabbis, and had a state been purchased in Patagonia or Uruguay, the Arabs would not be fighting you.
This does not mean that a return to Israel, the Holy Land, is wrong; but it means that the Arabs do not see it the way you do.
Is there a spiritual aspect to this … Absolutely! The Arabs may not even be conscious of it. [Notice, I am not equating Islam with the underlying spiritual aspect – Islam is crap], however, the Arabs would have fought you if they were all Orthodox Christians. Albeit less insanely. George Habash was an Orthodox Christian.
Esau hated Jacob 2500 years before Mohammed. Islam is a symptom. The root cause is far deeper.
There is a Christian view that the return of the Jews to the land is a prequel to a cosmic struggle between good and evil (Armageddon). To that end, evil forces will fight a last stand like the Nazis in Berlin. Islam is certainly evil, but in the final struggle it will be more than Islam on the side of evil.
The root cause is deeper than Islam. If you got rid of Islam, the problem would not go away, but re-express itself in other forms. The Arabs see this as a resistance struggle, and are probably blinded to the real spiritual side – Islam merely being an aspect of a deeper spiritual struggle.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Sugarpie Darling, if anyone needs instruction it is yoreself. I would happy to provide all necessary instruction ,provided you can afford it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LE2jmW9XdY
@ deanblake:
@ deanblake:
I use my real name also, the English translation of the Hebrew. Thank for the offer of legal remedies, but my families is over run with lawyers, like roaches in a pantry. One of my fighters against injustice, receive his inspiration for the Law while waiting at the DMV for his license to be pulled.
I do not call people liars for disagreeing with me. I call them liars which they continuously and falsely accuse me.
As it was, in this thread, I never called you a liar, I gave you warning to stop lying about me.
I gave you a warning to stop insulting me, falsely. And now, you play the victim?!
@ honeybee:
La Mosca Coljonera del foro es un tergiversador.
He keeps you and others entertained by answering with his distortions. Do not even bother wasting your precious time.
You are giving him a pulpit to spread his twisted opinions.
He keeps you occupied with platitudes and child-like opinions that has nothing to do with facts.
He has the style of the mixed Indian population of South America.
For example how about mentioning the amount of money given by the EU and the Americans to the Palestinian Authority?
It never riches the people. It ends up in maintaining the status quo of Abbas and his friends who steal most of the
$$$$$$$ they receive in making their bank accounts bigger and bigger not to mention their mansions.
They are not poor. Poor in spirit. They could be building their infrastructure, water sources and electric power. Aqueducts and irrigation.
Instead the money goes to child indoctrination. Teaching their children to read and write? No, it is better to create
the illusion of poverty and keep their narrative going. Victimhood pays.
The poor Palestinians. SOUTH SYRIANS if I remember correctly.
CA wants to create the illusion of being an intellectual.
Really intellectuals know that Wikipedia is not an accurate source. It depends of who contributed to the facts.
He should be checking on more reliable sources where the facts have been studied and analyzed.
Argentina? Uruguay? Only if the Almighty and ever living G-d
had decided to do so.
Does he pretends to be G-d? Hashem designated that particular area in the ME for HIs own reasons. Now CA thinks it would have been better his way. He knows better.
I heard the same comment a few months from an acquaintance whose father had been one of Hitler’s appointees.
She has a picture of him with his uniform from the SS with one of the big guys of Nazi Germany. She is very proud of her father and is not ashamed of the job or rank he did have.
Exactly the same opinion as CA.
CA is either part South American Indian or a Nazi larvae.
Very subtle but surely he always repeats time and time again.
“I am a supporter of the Israelis” and then, he goes on and on exposing and leaving his poison. Little by little to anyone who will answer him.
He needs a pulpit to spread his opinions and anyone who answer him is providing it.
BR knows how to unmask this toxic vermin called CA and, Yamit does not even acknowledge him anymore.
He calling you a liar? He calling anyone a liar? is a case pf projection like everything else about him.
HONEYBEE. You are the queen of irony. Funny sarcasm and commentary is your strength.
Be well and keep healthy.
Quote: Where Señora Abeja (honeybee) started the name-calling
As you can see, by that link, Señora Abeja (honeybee) started the name calling first. So I doubt her concerns are addressable, particularly since I have been rather restrained in my responses.
Even you made a mistake, Esquire Blake
As I showed, in my link, it WAS originally exclusive.
My original comment was rather measured … and accurate. Notice the, “at that time.”
I am re-providing the link for your edification, and honeybee’s instruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillcrest_Country_Club_(Los_Angeles)
@ honeybee:
One of the advantages of using my real name on the internet and being a practicing lawyer is that I can address your concerns in the courts and get paid for it.
@ deanblake:
Careful, to disagree with CA is to brand yourself a liar.