Portman sees nothing unique about the Holocaust

T. Belman.  Unlike Portman, I take the Holocaust personally.  I see it as a culmination of 2000 years of the persecution of Jews by Christians which had the intent to annihilate Judaism and the Jewish people. It was not an isolated event. Hitler intended to annihilate all the Jewish people.  Conversion was not an option. Yes the mass slaughter of  of 800,000 Tutsi and moderate Hutu was just as brutal but I see nothing wrong with Jews mourning the death of fellow Jews more than the death of fellow humans. Its only natural. Jews can’t save all the peoples of the world.  Hopefully they can save themselves.

In an interview with ‘The Independent’, she questions the precedent of putting Holocaust education before all other national tragedies.

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Actress Natalie Portman arrives at the 2015 Vanity Fair Oscar Party in Beverly Hills, California

Natalie Portman addressed the Holocaust and the protracted and deep impact it has on the international Jewish community in an interview she gave to the British daily, The Independent.

Portman, born to Israeli parents in Jerusalem, moved to the US at the age of three. She continued a Jewish curriculum in the US, learning about the foundation of her birth country as well as the Holocaust.

In her interview, Portman explained that it was this very education that caused her to realize how ensconced the Jewish community is in the lessons of the Holocaust and to ultimately take issue with the emphasis the community placed on the genocide of their own people, in contrast to other similar tragedies happening around the world.

Portman explained in the interview that because learning the history of the Holocaust took precedence in her classes, no attention was paid to similar atrocities involving other groups of people, resulting in an unfortunate lack of education about these crises.

“I think a really big question the Jewish community needs to ask itself, is how much at the forefront we put Holocaust education. Which is, of course, an important question to remember and to respect, but not over other things,” she said during her interview.

Portman said that she first realized her ignorance regarding other conflicts when she visited a museum about the Rwandan Genocide, a genocide that took place decades after the Holocaust, while she was a student. She was shocked that never once had they learned about it in school.

Portman elaborated that she thinks that education should focus on understanding hatred, that it exists everywhere and against anyone, not only toward the Jews.

“We need to be reminded that hatred exists at all times and reminds us to be empathetic to other people that have experienced hatred also. Not used as a paranoid way of thinking that we are victims. Sometimes it can be subverted to fear-mongering and like ‘Another Holocaust is going to happen’.”

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  1. Felix Quigley Said:

    Ross sounds at a superficial level very pro-Jewish but it is a kind of nihilism which is totally divorced from one of the central tenets of Judaism that the Jews and Judaism are to be a guidance to the nations of the world.

    it appears that father quigley is morphing into rabbi quigley
    Felix Quigley Said:

    Ross admits, ADMITS, that he does not mention ever the Yazedis. He does not mention either the destruction of very old monuments in Syria that are the heritage of humanity.

    I also didn’t mention recently the victims of boko haram. However I did mention the Jewish victims of muslim abuse at the mount,the lynch mob of settlers led by rivlin and Yaalon,the decimation of the nationalist right, etc etc etc.

    Felix Quigley Said:

    He attacks here above (Ted) the Coptic Christians.

    too many trotsky type propaganda lies from you. I asked, and you fail to answer, whether the copts have been anti semites as this issue is very relevant to any sympathy from me. I also regularly mention how the christian BDS movement stalks and pursues Israel and the Jews while their supposed christian brothers heads are chopped by the honor killers whom they fund to kill the Jews. You do not appear to mention this.

    Felix Quigley Said:

    He is silent on why Assad was supported by the Alawites and the Syrian Christians.

    what was the position of these alawites and christians, wrt Israel and the Jews, prior to their being set upon by the honor killer jihadis. did they march in the parades alongside the honor killers shouting “death to the Jews”. this is the relevant fact which governs sympathy from me. You still have not answered to this in your continuing rants. You appear to wish to ignore facts in your pursuit of an echo to your sermons.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    As I see it and based on the above Ross is in no way a fighter against the growing Jihad int he world.

    which jihads: the jew killing sunni jihad or the jew killing persian jihad, or the jew killing euro jihad? I am against those jihads on jews, but if they are killing each other and other jew killing enemies I cannot look a “gift horse in the mouth”.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    He is happy if Europe is submerged by the Jihad.

    If I were to read that anyone connected with the following continuing Jew stalking and torture were to be incinerated, assassinated, tortured, mugged, given an accident, suffered misery and sorrow,…… I would not sympathize with them. I would see it as a divine correction of a despicable perennial and continuing Jew stalking evil.

    EU envoy warns of new sanctions against settlements
    Official says there are ‘more tools’ Europe can use to protest Israel’s continued expansion of settlements in the West Bank
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/eu-envoy-warns-of-new-sanctions-against-settlements/

    for me, they are hitler incarnate
    Felix Quigley Said:

    Happy if America is submerged by Latino Catholic Culture in Alliance with the Jihad.

    I have no idea what you refer to in this statement above.

    However, unrelated to that comment, here is my perspective on the vatican and the Jews:

    Unbeknownst to the Shay intelligence unit, by 1950 Eichmann would be granted a “certificate of indulgence” by the Catholic Church with which he would make passage from Italy to Argentina under the name “Ricardo Klement.”
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/secret-file-reveals-haganah-feared-eichmann-infiltration-post-wwii/?utm_source=The+Times+of+Israel+Daily+Edition&utm_campaign=2ff48c2b8d-2015_08_27&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_adb46cec92-2ff48c2b8d-54816837

    Although the vatican does not appear to be outwardly killing jews these days they still appear to be swindling Jews out of Jerusalem and withholding vital info and stolen jewish treasure. Also, I believe they actively fund BDS church orgs.

  2. Felix Quigley Said:

    Bernard Ross is becoming more brazen, stupid and often insulting as he proceeds through the history of this blog.

    and yet, with all that on your side, you are still unable to arrive with a reasoned, cohesive or comprehensible argument for your scattered and unfocused comments.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    Somewhere above he says I did not mention Israel in my (something insulting used by Ross)[diatribe 🙂 ]

    Here is your post to which I referred… perhaps you can point out where you mentioned Israel or Jews in your diatribe?
    https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609047/comment-page-1#comment-63356000160111

    How utterly stupid and attempt to draw the discussion into the gutter. What does he think my writing is about then?

    gosh, you answer the question yourself in the next sentence:
    Felix Quigley Said:

    What does he think my writing is about then? The centre of my writing is to resolve the question of leadership in the world, especially but not exclusively working class leadership.

    HUH???? Still seeking mention of or relevance to Jews in your diatribe. How about letting us know what leadership you wish to “resolve”, in what direction, to what end, and in what way relevant to Israel and Jews. I doubt that the word “trotsky” is a magical answer to these pragmatic and relevant questions.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    the Bush invasión of Iraq was a disaster for the world of which Israel is a part

    AAAHH!!! I see the relevance to which you refer…. Israel is a part of the world so your positions must be correct.
    Lets re analyze your argument to adore its’ logic:
    Felix Quigley Said:

    the Bush invasión of Iraq was a disaster for the world of which Israel is a part because it removed the block to the advancement of Iranian Jihad.

    really??? I beleive that the iranian jihad against the Jews through proxies hezbullah and hamas were already proceeding prior to dubya invasion.

    Other serious results have taken place.

    HMMM?? and what are those results from the perspective of Israeli security and Jews:
    -the end of the sadam threats to Jews and his 25k to every pal terrorist killing Jews
    -the embroilment of the iranian proxy hezullah in syria and Iraq spreading its forces thin so if a war erupts with Israel they are many more times vulnerable than before
    -the GCC weaning of hamas from Iran, its leashing by egypt the GCC proxy resulting in a real fact cooperation never prior seen.
    -the cooperation between the GCC and Israel wrt Iran.
    -the continuing strife, war, misery and death of many of Israels surrounding enemies by their own hand as if a miracle blessing from above

    are you sure you are not “looking a gift horse in the mouth”?
    like I said “whats not to like”? I said this to you years ago when you disingenuously attempted to convince Jews that they should support the syrian anti semites against the persian anti semites rather than accept the obvious miraculous blessing unfolding on the stage whereby all Israels enemies were slaughtering each other by their own insane jew kiling bloody hands. DUH?????
    Perhaps your agenda has nothing to do with Israel and Jews.. perhaps you are merely proselytizing your religion of trotskyism like a JW.

  3. @ Dove: You risk adopting an unduly ethnocentric perspective if you cannot ensure Jews can learn how to place the Shoah within a proper historical perspective.

    @ Felix: Your rant isn’t justified by either the prior thread or your portrayal of history; you condemn Bush-’43 without recognizing that BHO snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

  4. Bernard Ross

    I will remind you and other people who write on the internet that their view is to be taken on face value. When you write on the internet on a blog like this you could be anybody. There is no check on who you are. You, or I, could be anybody. This apples to all who write here. It follows that the ONLY thing that matters is what people put down in print. It is an Exchange of views. Each view is the same as every other view and must be taken at face value and evaluated thereby.

    Bernard Ross is becoming more brazen, stupid and often insulting as he proceeds through the history of this blog.

    Somewhere above he says I did not mention Israel in my (something insulting used by Ross)

    How utterly stupid and attempt to draw the discussion into the gutter.

    What does he think my writing is about then? The centre of my writing is to resolve the question of leadership in the world, especially but not exclusively working class leadership.

    Ross and others have made rubbish of one of the central points I have made which is that the Bush invasión of Iraq was a disaster for the world of which Israel is a part because it removed the block to the advancement of Iranian Jihad. Other serious results have taken place.

    Ross rubbishes this point. It is as if I did not make it.

    The only question I have about it is whether Bush did it deliberately and consciously and I am not a conspiracist but there has been such a pattern of western leaders encouraging the Jihad over such a long time. Or was he a stupid man being led by others who have that policy of encouraging Jihad.

    And note the radical cover of Ross is clearly a fraud – Ross thinks that Bush did a good thing there!

    Ross sounds at a superficial level very pro-Jewish but it is a kind of nihilism which is totally divorced from one of the central tenets of Judaism that the Jews and Judaism are to be a guidance to the nations of the world.

    Ross admits, ADMITS, that he does not mention ever the Yazedis. He does not mention either the destruction of very old monuments in Syria that are the heritage of humanity. He attacks here above (Ted) the Coptic Christians. He is silent on why Assad was supported by the Alawites and the Syrian Christians.

    It is quite disturbing to me that other Jews do not take this charácter and annihilate his politics.

    It is my view that there is no way forward at all for Israpundit until it starts to confront this poison.

    The political positions of Ross are very similar to those of Yamit82 and it is a fact that every single one of the founders of Israpundit have come into deadly conflict with Yamit82, and the conflict was sharpest of all with Jared Israel, and although I have political differences with Jared, he was a most outstanding researcher.

    There is no easy way out of this situation.

    There is another problem I have. My writing is not to be repeated and parsed by people like Ross and answered inanely. That is sheer barbarism not intellectual rigour.

    As I see it and based on the above Ross is in no way a fighter against the growing Jihad int he world. Basically he does not give a damm. if anything by his words he welcomes it. He is happy if Europe is submerged by the Jihad. Happy if America is submerged by Latino Catholic Culture in Alliance with the Jihad. And so on. Is that where Jews are heading? Better start taking up these issues.

  5. @ rsklaroff:

    It is only natural that most Jews would (or should) take the Jewish holocaust more personally. It is quite obvious that we are going to have to save ourselves. That takes time, energy and money. It doesn’t leave alot left over for other focus.

    I have pretty much stopped giving any type of charity to anyone other than Jewish causes. Why? Because we are going to need our own support. The gentiles have billions of people and dollars.

    It doesn’t mean we don’t have empathy for others. Charity begins at home. We are going to have to deal with the slander head on. I don’t mind stating it. At xmastime when I am asked for money – sometimes I simply say that we have Jews in need too and that is who I support. They look at me like really? Ya like really!!

    You don’t know me. You don’t know how many gentiles I have helped either through an act of kindness or some other way – only to be used. They can kiss my royal ass!! So sick of their whining, complaining and BS. BUT … I will not cross the line and be like them. Two wrongs don’t make a right. I would defend myself, my family, friends…..but I would not go out of my way to seek our enemies out and torture them the way they have with us.

  6. Semantics aside, Genocide is part of Jewish Education which includes awareness of genocide against others…as manifest via your Ukrainian vignette.

  7. @ rsklaroff:

    It is not part of Jewish education but it is important for Jews to be educated.

    Does that make sense? Are we talking about specifically Jewish history here or all history?

    It is good for the Jews to stay one step ahead. I know some young Ukrainians who had no clue of what happened to Ukrainians in WWI. It took a Jew to tell them. We notice these things and we are very aware that during WWII there were millions of lives lost…..not just Jewish lives. However Jewish lives were targeted first…..with a vengeance and it still has not been rectified….therefore it could repeat itself. We should be more informed now to know the ‘warning signs’ to not let it happen again. For Jewish education that makes it a priority.

  8. Genocide is part of Jewish Education.

    White Lives Matter
    Black Lives Matter
    Blue Lives Matter
    ALL Lives Matter

    Jews can multitask.

  9. rsklaroff Said:

    I have resolved not to engage in discussions when each party knows what the others have truly said, and are trying to waste time baiting people who summarize key-truths; in particular, rhetorical queries are to be eschewed.

    As you do not use the tools at your disposal which automatically direct your comment to whom it was intended it is difficult to discern to whom your comment is intended. If it is intended for me I would say basically that you have NO answer to the questions I posed to you and instead avoid it with obfuscation. If not directed to me I would say “never mind”. At the top of each comment are 2 buttons which allow you to reply to the person to whom you direct your reply . the first button merely identifies the person and the second allows you to highlight specific quotes of the person to which you are replying.

  10. The holocaust is part of Jewish education. Genocides of gentiles is not.

    Of course we learn also about other genocides – especially since 99.6% of the population is gentile. They will not let us forget it and belittle the extremities of the Jewish holocaust. I face it all the time.

    I will often have a german say ‘don’t blame me. I wasn’t there!’ and I say ‘I wasn’t either but I still have to deal with the ignorance of most germs that I know.’ Personally I don’t see much in the way of repentance but yet bible thumpers tell us to forgive. Forgive? Oh? Are they admitting to something? Are they showing remorse? Are they asking for forgiveness? NO It’s a cop out. What it really means is that they want us to wipe the slate clean without any accountability. I run into all the time.

    I just told a germ yesterday. YOU DONT KNOW ME! Even the Pope wouldn’t dare challenge me!!

  11. Studying the Shoah is a priority, but it doesn’t preclude placing it into the context of other massacres; we can multitask, can’t we?

  12. When it comes to Jewish education of course the Jewish Holocaust should be at the forefront. If a Black American is learning about Black history would not the slavery of the Blacks and the cotton fields be at the forefront of their education?

    Portman is being delusional and trying to make our tragedies in line with all other tragedies – if only that were so!

    Just remember Portman, the Jews of the Holocaust were also affluent – JUST LIKE YOU! Since anti-Semitism has never been rooted out IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!

  13. Hollywood turns Jewish women into babbling idiots. Many of the most offensive liberal slobs in show business are Jewish females. I have not met female Jews who are so phenomenally stupid. Most of the Jewish women I know are considerably above average intellectually.

    But every time I see a Hollywood Jewess being interviewed, I cringe. It is embarrassing. There is a very long list of these yentas who would really benefit Judaism by converting, preferably to Islam.

  14. I have resolved not to engage in discussions when each party knows what the others have truly said, and are trying to waste time baiting people who summarize key-truths; in particular, rhetorical queries are to be eschewed.

  15. rsklaroff Said:

    “the chaos in iraq has been good for Israel and the Jews”

    Let me add… the chaos in Iraq, syria, Lebanon, gaza, egypt, etc…. all of this has increased the relative strength of Israel. However, this is based on understandings between the GCC and Israel… this can change at any time depending on how the GCC view their current interests. In any case, no one can take away the pleasure of watching the enemies killing each other the last few years.

  16. rsklaroff Said:

    just note how much better it was a half-decade ago, when Iraq was moving towards a representative democracy

    they were NEVER moving towards democracy… it was always moving towards a baghdad shia, iran dominated gov. However, why is it good for those people who always shout “death to the Jews” to be in a democracy? I prefer such people to be under an iron boot with hardly room to breathe. It is generic rubbish that democracy weans anti semites from anti semitism. It is much better now, and much better when the nations of Iraq, syria and lebanon… all sworn enemies of the Jews with no peace treaties….. that they suffer in chaos, misery and death…. why would I want jew killers to have any other fate????? It is plain and simple, I do not care about anti semites or their fate, if they are killing each other there is an ideal situation.

  17. One claim [“the chaos in iraq has been good for Israel and the Jews”] may be drawing from the Iran/Iraq fight in the 80’s, but is totally incorrect now; just note how much better it was a half-decade ago, when Iraq was moving towards a representative democracy.

  18. Felix Quigley Said:

    It will take time to go over the archives to show your position on this vital matter Bernard Ross.

    Unless it is in regard to the sfety of Jews and Israel it is not a “vital” position.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    For now I am talking about my position of defending Mubarak

    MUbarak, in a so called time of peace, fostered every medieval blood libel on egyptian media. I welcome his misery and incarceration. the pity is that he has not yet met his supermarket freezer like ghadaffi.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    it is necessary to always try to prevent the Fascists from taking state power, not just in Germany in 1933 but everywhere.

    NO, it is important to prevent Jew killers from taking power and those who spread blood libels. If a fascist kills the jew killer and libeler then I wish him well in that endeavor.

    Felix Quigley Said:

    Both you and Yamit poured scorn on this position, which is a long tradition long held by my political affiliation, and you accused me of defending a “dictator”.

    Scorn yes, dictator no. Scorn because you wanted Israel to help assad when the jihadis were attacking him…. the scorn from me resulted from your arguments being irrelevant to Israel and Jews and instead a preaching of your religion(trotskyism) You wanted Israel to support the anti semites whereas I wanted the anti semites to continue killing each other as long as possible. I have the same point of view for euro anti semites.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    Sharon was not a fool and he knew very well what an Antisemite was Saddam. Yet Sharon was certain he was right in urging caution on Bush and he was right.

    Sharon was wrong, the chaos in iraq has been good for Israel and the Jews. Its a good thing, almost ideal, when those who shouted “death to the Jews” are being killed by others who shouted “death to the Jews” Sharon also gave away gaza.

    Felix Quigley Said:

    So in questions of strategy there is also a place for caution.

    not much strategy in celebrating your enemies killing each other.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    I hold you and Yamit of having played your part in the murder of Copts, of Yazedis,

    I never mentioned the Yazidis….. did the copts help the Jews or did they ally with the Jew killers???????
    Felix Quigley Said:

    the words which you used in a two and fro with Yamit and against me was “WHAT IS THERE NOT TO LIKE?”

    I do not remember yamit using that phrase, and I have used that phrase above regarding the enemies killing each other and the euro secularists and euro BDS church being flooded with the honor killer immigration of the pets they let loose on the Jews.
    do you disagree that they continue to stalk, libel, swindle the Jews and Israel….. do you disagree that they fund jew killing muslim, BDS and arab orgs against the Jews and Israel? do you wish me to weep for jew killers? You have not mentioned Israel or the Jews in your diatribe…. like CA you want us to focus on your cares, needs, desires, miseries,etc……. my focus is on the interest of the Jews and Israel which often has conflicted in the past with the muslims and europe. Show me relevance to israel and the Jews. When a reporters head is chopped n Syria I do not immediately start weeping, I wonder if he was one of the many reporters who spread the libels that killed the jewish children in france. When a “humanitarian” workers head is chopped I do not automatically weep, I wonder if they supported the Jew killers. When those who shout “death to the Jews” sit in rubble in the morning whining and wailing for their own dead, I do not weep. If the Jew stalking muslims on the MOunt were to meet a horrible end, I would not weep for them, I would see a just universe arranging a balance. If tomorrow Iran was turned to cinders would they not all condemn the Jews for defending themselves against the Insane killers?

  19. Although I share support for El-Sisi, the rhetoric here is excessive; it’s also off-point, for the focus must be trained on Portman’s inane comments.

  20. It will take time to go over the archives to show your position on this vital matter Bernard Ross.

    There is a long history to this discussion on this site. For now I am talking about my position of defending Mubarak against the Muslim Brotherhood to be led by Morsi not because I liked Mubarak particularly but because strategically it was the correct thing to do. it is necessary to always try to prevent the Fascists from taking state power, not just in Germany in 1933 but everywhere. I apply the same rule in every case which includes others who I had differences to put it mildly with, such as gadhafi, Gaghbo, Assad, ben Ali etc.

    Both you and Yamit poured scorn on this position, which is a long tradition long held by my political affiliation, and you accused me of defending a “dictator”.

    It was the same in many many cases and it is a fundamental question.

    Without going into the archives there are certain positions that you and Yamit took up that are burned into my mind and will remain so until I die.

    When such thigs as the Copts or the Yazedis were being murdered, the latter enslaved etc. by this latest incarnation of the Jihad, the words which you used in a two and fro with Yamit and against me was “WHAT IS THERE NOT TO LIKE?”

    Sharon travelled across to Washington and advised Bush that the invasión of Iraq and the elimination of Saddam was a very bad idea.

    Sharon was not a fool and he knew very well what an Antisemite was Saddam. Yet Sharon was certain he was right in urging caution on Bush and he was right.

    Sharon made it known to Bush that he was far more worried by Iran and that removing Saddam (who was the bitterest enemy possible of the Iranian Mullahs) would increase the power of Iran. That was the same Saddam who had unleashed scuds on Israel.

    So in questions of strategy there is also a place for caution.

    You now live up to the form that I know you are capable of and try to slip out of your history.

    I hold you and Yamit of having played your part in the murder of Copts, of Yazedis, the enslavement of women, the destruction of very ancient sites and the murder of really courageous Arab Syrians who defend that human history. Show me either of the two of you once, just the once, where you have even defended the Yazedis against the Jihad and I will desist. Just the once.

  21. dove Said:

    ‘murder’ is a poor choice of words to use. murder definition – the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

    I would not quibble about the semantics of murder, assanination, dearh, killing of Hitler. for me, every one of them is a hitler wannabe. I welcome their death, their suffering for all they keep bringing to Jews. Let them cease their filthy ways and repent, and then I will cease to welcome their death, maybe; but until then, I welcome their death.

    dove Said:

    ‘Murder’ would be implying that we have a right to kill and we do not.

    If someone fire a rocket at my children I would have aright to kill them and their children, I would have a right to kill the euro who sent thim the money and incited him to muder with lies. When a reporter at a newspaper lies he is a collaborator in the murder of the jewish children in france and I welcome his death.
    I dont care what you call it, I welcome their death, with no apology or equivocation. Those who harass the Jews at the mOunt do not deserve life, neither do those who facilitate the despicable ones. There is no grey area for me, I am not a politician.
    I hope I have clarified my position.

  22. @ bernard ross:

    Hi bernard. Although I understand what you are saying I think ‘murder’ is a poor choice of words to use. murder definition – the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

    I too would have killed hitler if I could have – but by then it would be to put a stop to his mass murdering and it would be punishment for all the innocent lives lost. Of course I think it’s natural to feel that way.

    ‘Murder’ would be implying that we have a right to kill and we do not. We have a right and duty to defend which would mean lives would be lost – but it is not the same thing as murder.

  23. Felix Quigley Said:

    both Ross and Yamit have welcomed the murder of Christians by the Jihad on this site in recent months.

    No, I welcome the murder of BDS christians and BDS secularists. My viewpoint is that they are attempting the genocidal murder of Jews by spreading lies just as they did with blood libels over the last 2000 years. I welcome the murder of the euros who continue to stalk the Jews, fund the muslims to do the killing for them and build muslim homes in the jewish homeland. I welcome the murder of those who participate in the media which spreads lies about jews becuase in my view their lies murdered the jewish children in france. I welcome the murder of the euro and christian academics who spread lies, the unions who support BDS, etc etc etc. I have advised Israel to invest in the smuggling of muslims in europe in order to put europe in chaos, misery , civil strife and death.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    What is that about?

    its about this:

    T. Belman. Unlike Portman, I take the Holocaust personally. I see it as a culmination of 2000 years of the persecution of Jews by Christians which had the intent to annihilate Judaism and the Jewish people.

    more importantly its about this in bold:

    the 2000 year stalking, libeling, swindling, torture, slaughter and series of holocausts and pogroms committed by the euro christians, whether they were in secular or christian mode. Plus, the fact that it continues today with the euro christians funding, supporting,hiring the muslims to do the dirty work of killing.

    the fact that they continue their filthy works today, the euro secularists and the BDS supersessionist churches, after the holocaust and 2000 years means that they are beyond redemption. I would have welcomed the murder of hitler so why would I not welcome the murder of the latest hitler propagandists?

  24. Is she doubting the sincerity of the Muslim world when it constantly vows to “Kill the Jews”? Doesn’t that make our little Hollywood princess Islamophobic?

    In the alternate reality of liberalism, concerns about antisemitism are paranoia, all the while they hysterically warn about the non-existent danger of islamophobia.

  25. I also take the Holocaust very personally. I never knew 3 of my 4 grandparents because of it and countless other relatives.

    It is incumbent upon Jews to take the lessons of it seriously and try and prevent future Holocausts. If we care about ourselves as a people or nation (Am Yisrael) then that is our responsibility.

    This does not diminish the sufferings or tragedies of other peoples. One does not need to make comparisons between the sufferings of different people. This is sort of a pseudo intellectual exercise!

  26. The rape, torture, enslavement, and genocide being inflicted upon Christians is a heartbreaking atrocity. No one with a soul could welcome such suffering. Men being crucified? Women being gang raped? Little girls being sold into sexual slavery? It is beyond nightmarish, and anyone capable of empathy recoils at the barbarism. This is not Divine Retribution for the Inquisition and the Holocaust. It is the scum of the earth sadistically tormenting defenseless human beings.

  27. I dagree with Portman, disagree with CA, yet both Ross and Yamit have welcomed the murder of Christians by the Jihad on this site in recent months. What is that about?

  28. @ bernard ross:
    Every time Curio appears is to either diminish the Jewish suffering, demand we get rid of the Palestinians by giving each of them $100,000.00 to resettle in South America or something similar depending what the case happens to be. His mind is only in screwing the Jew. As always I’m watching this vermin trying again to show his fairness by trying something against us. Last time he tried to convince us of the wonderful benefits of buying our peace by relocating the musloids to SA. When none of us accepted his idea, he incorporated some videos showing some Arab communities in South America to show how well received they will be and how they can be integrated among the SA Arabs and pacified. It turns out the videos he was showing in this forum were of well established communities which have existed for many decades some of them are a century old and have taken roots in the respective countries where they have made a home. Totally a lie. Many of them are Lebanese and their descendants a few Syrian communities who have no desired to take any of these savages in their communities. Curio thinks that if they are in SA it would be much easier for the Christian Fundamentalist to convert them and take their money. The communities he showed have gained the respect of their countries of residence through hard work and would not want to have among themselves the lazy Palestinians who without a doubt will disrupt the comfortable (even if not wealthy) way of life they have attained. Many success stories through hard work and learning.
    Thank you Bernard for unmasking the hypocritical snake he is once more. Should go to evangelize his own.

  29. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Ms. Portman is technically correct. Her motives may be askew, but technically she is right.

    Actually, she is neither technically correct NOR right. she and you committed the same error, she out of ignorance and you out of your usual agenda to equate. Pal suffering equals Jewish suffering, pal terror equals jewish terror, blah blah blah, we have heard your narrative a million times. The difference between portman and you is that she is astoundingly ignorant where as you intentionally leave out the most relevant parts….. most likely having to do with your religious affiliations. You, and she, left out the 2000 year stalking, libeling, swindling, torture, slaughter and series of holocausts and pogroms committed by the euro christians, whether they were in secular or christian mode. Plus, the fact that it continues today with the euro christians funding, supporting,hiring the muslims to do the dirty work of killing.

    Hence, your equations fail as usual for the usual reasons of being disingenuous.

  30. Ms. Portman is technically correct.

    Ms. Portman is technically ignorant. The Holocaust was an attempt to kill every Jew everywhere. This phenomenon was unique in human history, although the Jew haters are diligently working towards a reprise.

    The Armenian Genocide was reprehensible, as were the Cambodian Genocide and the Rwandan Genocide. We are not playing “My genocide is worse than your genocide.”

    I am not diminishing the horror of the Holocaust, but neither will I diminish the suffering of others.

    Well, you know how we Jews are – intolerably egocentric. If I had just one dime for every time an Israpundit commenter has written, “Screw the Armenian Genocide and to hell with the Cambodians…only Jewish suffering counts,” I would have …zero dimes.

    Portman is appallingly estranged from reality: “Sometimes it can be subverted to fear-mongering and like ‘Another Holocaust is going to happen’.”

    Is she doubting the sincerity of the Muslim world when it constantly vows to “Kill the Jews”? Doesn’t that make our little Hollywood princess Islamophobic?

  31. Portman [and CuriousAmerican] ignore the uniqueness of the Shoah within the context of Western “culture”; thus, neither is “technically correct,” even as it is recognized that all concerns with human rights must be taught…as will now be accomplished in all Pennsylvania schools [per legislation that was signed-off a year ago].

  32. No doubt the murder of 6 million Jews (or one-third of world Jewry) was awful, terrible, and rephrensible.

    Was the murder of 1.5 Million Armenians by the Turks any less reprehensible? No, they did not get gassed, but the women were mass raped, in a way that the Germans did not allow en masse at the same percentages, because of their racial theories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Armenian_Genocide

    Violence against women was a central feature of the Armenian Genocide. Even before the mass killings, sexual humiliation was used to intimidate the Armenian community. After the murder of the Armenian leadership and men of military age, Ottoman authorities and Ittihadist supporters deported surviving Armenians from Anatolia into the Syrian desert. During this ethnic cleansing, rape, kidnapping, sex slavery, and forced re-marriage became de facto instruments of genocide. Eyewitness accounts and diplomatic reports shed light on the place of gender during genocidal persecution

    Yes, the gas chambers were violent and horrible; but can you seriously say the purposeful rapine of Armenian women was less of a crime?

    “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”

    – A. Hitler

    And why did the Turks go after Armenians.

    The Turks were jealous. For centuries, the plucky Christian minority in the Ottoman Empire were smarter, richer, and out performed the Muslims. Muslim theology encouraged persecution of Christians for over a millenia.

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    Cromwell’s rampage through Ireland many have killed 40% of the Irish.
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    80 Million Indians died during Muslim rule in India, on purpose to wipe out Indian and Hinduism.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TQBFHTDDGV8CBQ6F9

    Muslims killed 80 million Hindus to conquer India

    “The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.”

    80 Million was much more than 6 million, by a factor of 13.

    The slaughter was continuous throughout the period. India survived only because the Muslim elite were small, and the Indians reproduced too fast. But the slaughter was purposeful.

    But the Indian Pagans were far too numerous and never fully surrendered. What some call the Muslim period in Indian history, was in reality a continuous war of occupiers against resisters

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    Leopold’s Belgium colony enslaved and then killed 8 Million Congolese.

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    How come Hollywood never produces movies about these victims?

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    I you look at the top ten genocides in history, the Holocaust – AS AWFUL AS IT WAS – comes in around number 3.

    I am not diminishing the horror of the Holocaust, but neither will I diminish the suffering of others.

    Ms. Portman is technically correct. Her motives may be askew, but technically she is right.

  33. Miss Portman lives in her Bubble in a 7 million dollar Townhouse on George V avenue .She doesn’t have to bump in to any of the 3 million Muslims that live in Paris .No wonder she’s a founding member of J street .Dummy

  34. Ted said: I see it as a culmination of 2000 years of the persecution of Jews by Christians which had the intent to annihilate Judaism and the Jewish people.

    i think it would be more accurate to use the present tense of “have”. Today there is an obvious and transparent congruence of behavior of the euro govs, euro social institutions, euro BDS churches, UN, and media which relentlessly defames, delegitimizes, libels and swindles the Jews and Israel……. while they are not today directly murdering Jews as they did a few decades before, and millenia before that, they are INDEED funding, supporting, aiding BDS, muslim,arab orgs and entities who kill and seek to kill Jews. I am uninterested in their rhetoric of holocaust monuments which are a fig leaf to their real agenda. That agenda is demonstrated daily with overt facts.

    Jews tend to adore europe in spite of their continuing pogrom, they are in denial of facts occurring daily,…..
    they believe the euros mean well, but just make “mistakes” (LOL?)

  35. LOL, Portman typifies the ignorant but arrogant succesful parroter of the writings of others, the creative ones. Like so many other actor parrots before her she is unembarassed by the extent of the ignorance she displays and is unaware of the foot in her mouth. a 2000 year unrelenting holocaust on a single people is nowhere near a 5 year holocaust. furthermore, if she had a brain in her petite tete she would know that the same MO continues today whereby at this very moment the euro christian collective defames, libels and swindles the Jews while funding Jew killers to do the dirty work of killing….. until they have made jew killing fashionable again. There is no difference between this moment and any other hiatus between prior holocausts and pogroms of Jews. I assume her acting is better than her research.

  36. Long ago, I learned to pay no regard to the political and societal opinions of young women who shake their asses in my face from some large or small motion picture screen. Why burden your hearts over such meaningless trifles?

    Arnold Harris, Outspeaker

    (Yes, I am redesigning my moniker)

  37. “We need to be reminded that hatred exists at all times and reminds us to be empathetic to other people that have experienced hatred also. Not used as a paranoid way of thinking that we are victims. Sometimes it can be subverted to fear-mongering and like ‘Another Holocaust is going to happen’.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkodTydUR0E