The war on Israel, Irish-style

Special report: Irish journalist slams silence of politicians in face of ‘group anti-Semitism’ mindset; says that in Ireland either one obeys anti-Israel orders of left-wing mind-thugs, or one is lynched

Kevin Myers YNET

The most serious event of the past week wasn’t related to Prime Time’s libel of Father Kevin Reynolds, and it wasn’t what Cardinal Sean Brady did or didn’t do nearly 40 years ago. Far more serious than either for the health of this Republic – though connected to both by a sanctimonious tissue of lethal intolerance – was the intimidation of the band Dervish into cancelling a tour of Israel.

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Dervish’s website was hit by venomous abuse from anti-Israeli activists, on the instructions of the Irish Palestinian Solidarity Group. Every bit as sinister as this has been the silence from politicians and “civil liberties groups”: the exception, of course, being Alan Shatter, who is Jewish. It was as if the intellectual thugs of the IPSG were trying to vindicate my recent suggestion that the largest threat to personal freedom these days comes not from government, but from single-interest pressure groups.

Tactics and techniques that would be called fascist by liberals if used against them were at the heart of the campaign against Dervish. For in the left-liberal culture, certain subjects are beyond the usual courtesies of a tolerant civilization, and instead may be subjected to outright bigotry and bullying. The legitimate targets for this salon-terrorism are the Catholic Church, American Republicans, and of course Israel.

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  1. @ bernard ross:

    “I think the serial killing of Jews by the Europeans is closely related t replacement theology.”

    You might think so. However, replacement theology was actually Augustine’s argument for keeping the Jews ALIVE

    — to retain, in perpetuity, living, breathing proof of the proposition that God had turned His back on the Jews.

    Of course, in practice it didn’t keep Jewish history from being littered with outrages

    — but it’s entirely conceivable that without that stance (i.e., the necessity of keeping the Jews alive), it could’ve been considerably worse.

  2. @ Felix Quigley:

    “Obama regime is creating conditions for American Fascism (going to war in Libya without Congress)…”

    Actually he was doing that since long before Libya.

    Economically he’s been laying the groundwork for Fascism almost since Inauguration Day.

    Or hadn’t you noticed that G.M. now effectively stands for “Government Motors”?

  3. @ Felix Quigley:

    “The key to Ireland… is leadership. What leadership will emerge?”

    Well, Felix, obviously it’ll just have to be Jewish-Irish leadership!

    Something on the order of a Robert Briscoe, who’d spoken on behalf of Sinn Fein at public meetings; Fianna Fáil TD in the Irish parliament, 1927-65.

    First Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin [1956-65; 2 terms]

    — and earlier, a friend of Jabotinsky, whom Briscoe welcomed to Dublin, to receive anti-British guerilla training for the Irgun. [Dermot Keogh, Jews in Twentieth-century Ireland: Refugees, Anti-semitism and the Holocaust (Cork University Press, 1998), p. 283

    Did Irgun fund-raising in America, 1939-40, with J.H. Patterson (fmr Cmdr of the Jewish Legion during the GreatWar).

    “What leadership will prevail? i say authentic Trotskyism.”

    SWP (in the States anyway) seems to have had a standard practice of inflitrating left organizations & then quietly taking over the formal leadership positions.

    They became rather notorious for it during the 60’s (I remember them well); it was their signature M.O.

    Thus, changes of ideas did not make their way throughout the organizational matrix before being imposed from above.

    Not sure that THIS represents what you would designate “authentic Trotskyism.”

  4. @ Felix Quigley:

    “Churchill hated Bolshevism and he hated the Jews for this. Yes Churchill!”

    In the early 20’s, Churchill viewed Zionism as (among other things) an effective counter to the dangers of Jewish Bolshevism. That’s clearly shown in the article he wrote for the Illustrated Sunday Times. But to say he hated Jews because of Jewish Bolsheviks would be stretching a point.

    He liked Jewish Zionists & disliked Jewish Bolsheviks.

    “…makes me just wonder what advance people like Dweller are making here.”

    I plant my seeds, Felix; that’s MY duty.

    The power & impetus to make them germinate (as well as the timetable on which to operate)

    — comes from Elsewhere.

    I like to think I know the difference.

  5. @ Felix Quigley:

    I dunno, Felix. Here in the US of A, Trotskyism has fallen on hard times. It now consists solely of a couple retired janitors from Broooklyn PS 162, a Houston telemarketer, and three laid-off welders in Akron, Ohio.

  6. I think the serial killing of Jews by the Europeans is closely related t replacement theology. How does one worship a practicing Jew and yet seek to kill all the other jews? Basically the witnesses must be killed and the evidence removed because the Jews are a very inconvenient impediment to the “truth”. Even a lie repeated often enough, that becomes the truth, has difficulties explaining the elephant in the room. In that case the elephant must be removed and buried in order to fool oneself.

  7. @ Felix Quigley:

    Trotskyites

    “It is a curious fact that Trotskyites have been influential in left-wing circles in the UK-at least in comparison to other European countries. Only in France does one find anything equivalent. There seems to be no obvious reason connected to British society or culture. Perhaps it is related to the weakness of the Communist Party, which faded quickly in the 1950s in Britain. Unlike in France and Italy, communism was never very powerful on the British Left. Trotskyism could therefore fill the vacuum. It is an alternative form of communism that bears many parallels with the Stalinism that the Trotskyites love to hate and vilify. Of course, the Trotskyites were hunted down in the Soviet Union and eliminated by Stalinist communists. This persecution had antisemitic undertones.

    “Trotskyites have been characterized by an intense polemical energy and have often been in the forefront of the ‘anti-imperialist struggle.’ With the collapse of official communism after 1990 in most parts of the world, they saw a chance for themselves to become what they call a ‘revolutionary vanguard.’

    “In their concept of the world, Zionism has for decades been inextricably linked with global capitalism and American imperialism. These were also the hackneyed phrases of Soviet propaganda. The communist empire has collapsed, of course, but the Trotskyites are still running with the ball. Their numbers are small but they have tenacity, ideological discipline, and use clever tactics of infiltration. They have practiced these more effectively in recent decades in the UK than perhaps anywhere else. Trotskyites infiltrated the Labour Party and the trade unions in the pre-Blair era. We see the bitter fruits in boycott actions today against Israel, sparked by people who went through this anti-Zionist indoctrination and have passed it on.

    “Trotskyites are organized in the Socialist Workers Party, which was very active in the 1970s. It has become a larger political factor in recent decades. I watched the huge antiwar demonstration in London in February 2003. The two main organizers were the Muslim Association of Britain-close to the Muslim Brotherhood-and the Socialist Workers Party. They formed a Marxist-Islamist alliance against the war in Iraq and on the issue of Palestine-which was a major unifying factor. In my forthcoming book on global antisemitism since 1945 I analyze this ‘Red-Green Axis’ at considerable length.

    “In the demonstration there were antisemitic insinuations and intonations in the slogans and catchwords used. The protest came at the time when the ‘cabal’ theory that the Jews had seized control of American and British foreign policy was being widely advanced. It was crudely asserted in Britain, Europe, the Middle East-and to a lesser degree in the United States-that Bush’s war in Iraq was being fought on Israel’s behalf. This echoes the antisemitic notions of the late 1930s about ‘warmongering Jews’ pushing the West into an unnecessary conflict with Nazism.”

  8. @ Felix Quigley:

    Antisemitism Embedded in British Culture

    Prof. Robert S. Wistrich, June 11, 2008

    ” Antisemitism has been present in Great Britain for almost a thousand years of recorded history. In the twelfth century, Catholic medieval Britain was a persecutory society, particularly when it came to Jews. It pioneered the blood libel and the church was a leader in instituting cruel legislation and discriminatory conduct toward Jews
    http://jcpa.org/article/antisemitism-embedded-in-british-culture/

  9. Please answer. What I have written here gets to the heart of the issue, because if Jews cannot understand this present crisis in capitalism then they are in danger from all kinds of conspiracy theorists, the essence of which is antisemitism. For example, there is fast developing Antisemitic Fascist movements in Europe as in Greece, and another sign of this is the witchhung against Brookes and news of the World etc, while the Obama regime is creating conditions for American Fascism (going to war in Libya without Congress)

  10. Some good points made, but since does not get to the heart of the issue, worse than useless.

    Gilbert states clearly that the Jews then from roughly 1900 on were posed with these questions:

    1. Accept Czarism or fight to overthrow it and all forms of bourgeois rule

    2. Try for bourgeois Zionism

    Gilbert, a good bourgeopis historian, an honest one, sees this clearly

    All of the above leaves this out COMPLETELY!

    makes me just wonder what advance people like Dweller are making here.

    Not understanding this, or deliberately leaving it out, leads the writers above to minimise one very large issue as regards the British and the Jews around 1920: The British saw the Jews as Bolsheviks.

    Churchill hated Bolshevism and he hated the Jews for this. Yes Churchill!

    Prager also hates Bolshevism and he hates also Jews for this.

    But I say why did Jews in 1917 and after not have the right to fight for the socialist revolution on the basis that the capitalist system is a system of chaos and crisis and cannot lead us forward to save nature and all life on the planet.

  11. @ John M Collins:

    ” …and it was only after 1930 that the British Government and the forces under their control commenced to pursue policies oppressive of the Jewish Community.”

    Okay, here’s part two.

    The pre-Mandate, military authority, known as OETA (Occupied Enemy Territory Administration), feared Arab displeasure from the kind of news that the Balfour Declaration indicated, so it kept the matter quiet for as long as possible. Moreover, the officers exhibited a pronounced tendency, in the utterance of one observer, to “look down on the people in their care as a tiresome gaggle of Yids and Wogs.” Indeed, the Authority made no secret of its displeasure with the task it was assigned, as that task ran so strongly contrary to the administrators’ own ego-image, to say nothing of their bureaucratic inclination toward the path of least resistance:

    “The military administrators, in particular, found that the Jews did not fit into the stereotype of those to be governed by the British. The Zionists were educated, highly politically motivated and saw the British occupation of Palestine as merely a stage on the way to Jewish national revival. The Arabs, by contrast, were more neatly fitted into the character of a “native” population whose leaders could be dealt with by flattery and bribery, whilst the masses were primarily illiterate peasants.” [Harry Defries, Conservative Party Attitudes to Jews, 1900-1950 (Frank Cass Publishers, London, 2001), p. 99]

    The consequent travails of the Yishuv [pre-State Jewish community] under the military administration could have perhaps been written-off as the difficult childhood of a community saddled briefly at first with a troubled foster parent pathologically inclined to exploit (and even perpetuate) his transitory position of authority — were it not for the fact that the Mandate’s 3-decade succession of civilian guardians to follow the military administration was shown to yield — seemingly with all the reliability of clock-work and much the inescapability of Greek Tragedy — to the same temptations to trash Balfour’s Pledge as did the originating OETA trustee.

    Perhaps the most trenchant observation of the enduring effect of the military administration on the subsequent history of the Mandate, in light of OETA’s “keen regard for the pleasures of a quiet life, especially after the fatigues of a long war” — and which regard insured that, in practice if not in theory (though even the latter remains questionable), the Authority’s “conduct of policy became anti-Zionist because they were enemies to enthusiasm and Zionism lived on enthusiasm” [Christopher Sykes, Crossroads to Israel, 1917-1948 (The World Publishing Co., Cleveland, 1965), p. 39] — appears in a contemporary memoir of the period, which remarks that what the military adminstration

    did do… was to make every Arab realize that [notwithstanding the clear, unambiguous language of both the San Remo Resolution and the Mandate Charter] it was absolutely an open question whether a Zionist or an Arab policy was to be eventually adopted, to allow the impression to be broadcast that the administration favoured an Arab policy and that the policy of HMG could be deflected by the requisite amount of vim and determination.” [Horace Samuel, Unholy Memories of the Holy Land (Hogarth Press, London, 1930]

    Under the circumstances, the Arab violence which followed, again & again, can hardly be seen as anything but perfectly rational.

  12. @ John M Collins:

    “To the best of my knowledge the Black and Tans were disbanded in 1921-2 and it was only after 1930 that the British Government and the forces under their control commenced to pursue policies oppressive of the Jewish Community.”

    The Black and Tans, as well as the Auxies, were indeed disbanded in 1922 — but as I noted above [post #7], the Brits put out a call shortly afterward for volunteers among members of both former groups and sent them on to Mandate Palestine.

    As for your latter assertion about things not getting rough under HMG until the 30’s, I’m afraid that’s more than a trifle sanguine; the truth is that oppressive British policies began almost immediately with the Crown-designated, military administration.

    The careerists who came to constitute its ruling clique in Jerusalem — colonial apparatchiks transferred in from Cairo & Khartoum, who were directly charged with execution of the Mandate’s provisions — had, virtually from Day One, operated at cross-purposes to the Mandate’s stated objectives: which those careerists viewed (as they did the French presence in Syria) as inimical to their own retro-colonialist dreams of an all-Arab Middle East, “supervised” by the British Empire.

    It is fair to say that these “Arabists” of the occupying military authority knowingly set out, arguably from even before the beginning, to countermand & subvert the clearly enunciated & solitary objective of the Mandate: They deliberately moved to undermine any future possibility of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, and to crush out decisively any burgeoning hopes for eventual independent Jewish sovereignty there. In fact, John, they went considerably beyond ‘yielding’ to Arab pressure & bestiality: they catered to it and organized it.

    “It was this group, all powerful on the spot,” relates Samuel Katz, that inspired and mobilized and established organized Arab resistance to the Jewish restoration. It used its power and authority as a military regime to establish facts, to create events and to control them. It was this group whose views progressively pervaded the subsequent [civilian] mandate regime.” [Samuel Katz, Battleground: Fact and Fantasy in Palestine (Bantam, NY, 1973; 3rd Edition, Steimatzky, NY, 1985), p. 60]

    As shocking and as disturbing as Katz’s denunciation reads, it is far from hyperbolic. The Cairo-Khartoum clique was directly responsible for the Easter Pogrom [Nebi Musa Riots] of early April 1920, which was intended to create pressure for HMG’s abandonment of the Zionist program anticipated in the then-forthcoming Palestine Mandate, and for the incorporation instead of Palestine into a British-run, Hashemite Syria.

    The simple fact of the matter is that “the military government which, until the summer of 1920, administered [pre-Mandate] Palestine was,” in Harry Defries’ dry utterance, “not particularly enamoured with the Balfour Declaration.”

    For more than 2 years, it neither published nor allowed the publication of the Balfour Declaration in Palestine (although outside the country, the document was widely published in the British and world press). This act of omission was backed by specific prohibition from headquarters in Cairo. The Declaration, wrote the Chief Political Officer [Sir Gilbert Clayton, at the time] to the Chief Administrator in Jerusalem, on Oct., 9, 1919, “is to be treated as extremely confidential and is on no account for any publication.”

    [Katz, Ibid., p. 61; citing Palestine Govt File Pol/2108, in Israel State Archives. Quoted also in Elie Kedourie, The Chatham House Version and Other Middle Eastern Studies (Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London, 1970), p. 57]

    More in a second post, coming right up.

  13. Bernard, I have sent a message to Foley’s

    “If this is true it is a great blow struck for the Irish people. The Jews in their struggle against the British Imperialists who were betraying the League of Nations Mandate took great heart from the struggle of the Irish revolutionaries against the British. I hope that we return to that sentiment and soon.”
    (end of message)

    Of course you can complain about antisemitism etc. but that in itself can be a justification for doing nothing.

    The basic consciousness of the Irish is Celtic, as the poetry of W.B. Yeats shows. Catholicism in Ireland became a mixture of Celtic animism and Church dogma, an unending conflict between these two has persisted.

    We come back all the time to the power of the narrative. The Arabs were skilful in selling the lies about Palestinism, also the Arabs have had much money behind them to develop this lie, and the Jews of Israel have been very divided and unsure. While many though not all of the Jews in the Diaspora have lacked backbone.

    The key to Ireland, and to everywhere including Israel and America, is leadership. What leadership will emerge? What leadership will prevail? i say authentic Trotskyism.

  14. To the best of my knowledge the Black and Tans were disbanded in 1921-2 and it was only after 1930 that the British Government and the forces under their control commenced to pursue policies oppressive of the Jewish Community. Perhaps BlandOatmeal should produce reliable authority for his assertions.

  15. @ CuriousAmerican:

    You’re a real mensch!

    Some think so but i refrain from self description.

    What a real hero.

    I nerver claimed to be a hero it was me against them.

    A proud Yamit moment

    It was for me.

    That story says more about you than about the Duffy clan.

    I think so too. Revenge is a very Jewish principle, too bad more Jews don’t follow it.

  16. Here is a forwarded emmail I received about one irishman who is not a coward I will try and forward the email to Ted with the photo of the flag flying

    From the Israeli embassy in Ireland,

    This email is to inform you that Foley’s pub/restaurant, Merrion Row,
    Dublin 2 (near St. Stephen’s Green) has been flying the national flag of Israel from its upper window for the past week.

    The move began when the proprietor learned of the annual celebration of Israel’s Independence Day, Yom Hatzmaut, which this year fell on 26 April and was celebrated in Dublin on Monday 30 April, and decided to fly the blue-and-white Star of David flag of Israel in honour of the occasion.

    Despite pressure from some predictable quarters to remove the flag,
    the pub has courageously continued to fly it.

    If you happen to be in that part of town and are considering where to have lunch or are planning a meeting, a dinner or a social evening, we strongly recommend that you consider Foley’s as a venue and, if you feel like it, express your support to the management.

    If you cannot go there, an email of support would also be good; send it to http://www.foleysbar.com/contactus.php

  17. @ yamit82:

    @ Joe Hamilton:

    The family owned a liquor store not far from where I lived and once a month for about 6-7 months I would throw a rock through their plate glass store window.

    You’re a real mensch! What a real hero. A proud Yamit moment.

    That story says more about you than about the Duffy clan.

  18. @ yamit82:
    Please provide a link or any documentary evidence or two witnesses to the event. Otherwise keep your trap shut. We are not interested in Bulls**t stories.

  19. @ Joe Hamilton:

    Ah the Irish. Yup when I was a kid I waged a one kid Jewish war against the Duffy Clan. I beat the bastards good. The brothers were 3 and 4 years older than me. One day they had me cornered and, accused me of killing Christ? I told em I never killed anybody and anyway who is Christ? They didn’t know what to say so the beat the hell out of me. The family owned a liquor store not far from where I lived and once a month for about 6-7 months I would throw a rock through their plate glass store window. The brothers knew I did it but couldn’t prove or catch me at it but every-time I saw them I had a smirk on my face and they never again laid a hand on me.

  20. @ Joe Hamilton:

    Wow, how impressive!!! According to an Irish author Paul Johnson who is a strong admirer of the Jewish people, Irish Catholic monks taught the French, English and Germans how to read and write. I doubt this is true and is probably at best an exaggeration. But if true that was 1300 years ago wasn’t it? Does that cancel out all of the Irish hatred towards Jews especially in the last 100 years? How smart can they be if Eamon de Valera, paid a condolence call to the German embassy after the worst monster in world history did the only good thing he did in his life: end it.

    Yes, it is true, Joe. With the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, England and Southern Scotland, France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal Italy, Yugoslavia, the Alps and North Africa were taken over by semi-civilized Germanic tribes. The Roman Catholic Church, which provided a sense of stability and continuity among the people of these areas, was not as effectively organized as it would become in the High Middle Ages. The Irish monks, meanwhile, established communities dedicated to learning; and they spread their communities and culture first to Scotland, then to England, and then, at the invitation of the hairy-coated Franks and their Catholic Roman wives, they crossed the Channel to teach the Continentals. Many of the old Germanic legends were translated by them, but most of this work was destroyed after Charlemagne’s death by iconoclastic Roman clergymen. Eventually England and Scotland, and finally even Ireland, were taken over by the Romans.

    This certainly doesn’t cancel out ANY Irish hatred toward the Jews. As with most people, the Irish have a core community that has produced some fine citizens, such as George Bernard Shaw and the Duke of Wellington; they also tolerate some of the most violent, unprincipled terrorists on the planet. During World War II, they were, what my Scottish roommate once described as “a nest of German spies”, while at the same time large numbers of Irishmen fought as volunteers in the Allied cause. I read in 1972 a story about the Provisional Irish Republican Army, whose spokesman noted that they were sympathetic with, and fighting alongside, the then-universally-condemned Palestinian Liberation Organization (headed by the true pervert Yassir Arafat, whom the stupid Israeli Jews would later invite into Israel to set up a legalized, Jew-hating, terrorist base there). In those days, as today, there were some peace-loving Irishmen along with the bad; but I can’t make any excuses for their coddling of some of the more vile people our planet has produced.

  21. The extreme left needs to be called out for the totalitarian, antisemitic, genocidal sociopaths that they are. And those who know in their hearts that what they do regarding Israel is morally wrong, in fact evil, need to stand up to their bullying and resist any pressure to boycott Israel. Shame on Dervish for caving.

  22. Hi Joe; sorry you feel that way about the Irish but your mistaking one despicable and discredited group of nutcases (Irish Palestinian Support Group or PIGS) for an entire population. Without a doubt this group and their ilk are a hot bed of Anti Semitism but they only speak for themselves; the problem is that behave like outrageous bullies and anyone who disagrees with them is targetted. I have often gone toe to toe in a shouting match with some of these vile people in defence of Israel and will continue to do so but posts like your are not helpful to anyone, especially Israel. Also DeVelera….he’s long gone and with him a whole shameful episode in Irish history but please put this it in context; his behaviour was directed at the English who were the enemy and not the Jews when he sent his condolences after Hitler killed himself.

  23. @ BlandOatmeal:

    “That’s curious, especially since the same ‘Black & Tans’ that fought the Irish before their independence, were immediately sent to Palestine after that to fight the Jews.”

    You’re right about that.

    Shortly after the British military occupation regime [OETA] was replaced by a civil administration, the Mandate came to be policed by an entirely alien gendarmerie, drawn, as you note, from the ranks of the recently demobilized & singularly vicious Black & Tans. Also the Auxies [Royal Irish Constabulary Auxiliary Divisions].

    They were originally created by Churchill and came to be characterized by some as “independent mercenaries.”

    Both bodies (mostly UK vets of the Great War) were notorious in then-recent memory for their recurrent, undisciplined & often drunken brutalities in reprisal to the civilian population for the Sinn Fein’s own outrages during the “Tan War” in anti-unionist (i.e., nationalist) Ireland.

    They were organizationally disbanded after the 1922 partition of the island — whereupon the Brits shortly put out a call for volunteers & redeployed them to Palestine.

    Gave the Jews a renewed sympathy for the Irish struggle.

  24. Andy Lewis Said:

    Joe is wrong for another reason as well. Irish Americans mostly gave up their rabid feelings, following the lead of Pope John Paul II.

    If that is true, it doesn’t erase their vile, despicable behavior. I think you are kidding yourself if you believe a group who held such hatred of Jews abandoned it just because of a decree by one pope. I have had Irish Americans as close friends and I became speechless at some of their comments about Jews. Of course, why would I be friends with such people and why would they be friends with me if they hated Jews. However, people can still hold very strong prejudices about a group but still like an individual of that group. I wish Jews weren’t the universal scapegoats and weren’t regarded by practitioners of the world must common relationship as perpetrators of diocide but that’s the reality. If you read the link posted in Ted Belman’s article there was a news story about the Irish government’s support of antisemitic activities. There were 285 responses and one summed up why I find the Irish obsession with Israel an obvious manifestation of their rabid antisemitism. One person asked in reference to Irish who were on the ship to Gaza which Israelis boarded and several Turks lost their lives. He asks when are Irish going be a ship that sails to Syria? The Irish like all anti-Semites try to hide their vile beliefs by saying they are only anti-Israel. I also believe if the mother country is so anti-Semitic , I doubt Irish Americans suddenly admire Jews. You did say they don’t hold such rabid hostility which is probably true. This may be because Americans in general are less religious. But in Ireland ,I’ve heard people are much less religious as in the rest of Europe, yet the people remain obsessed with hatred of Israel.

  25. @ Joe Hamilton:

    “…abuse both physical and otherwise that Irish Americans have perpetrated on Jewish Americans throughout America’s history….”

    Not “throughout” US history. There were periods & places where this was not the case.

    “Jews should never vote for anyone of Irish ancestry since they are very likely anti-Semites.”

    Think it’s in their DNA maybe?

    Or perhaps they absorb it from the potatoes (nasty, naughty little praties)?

    Y’know, the corn beef that Americans of Irish extraction associate with St Patrick’s Day didn’t come from the Emerald Isle.

    It came from American Jews.

    Actually, ROMANIAN Jews — then recently American.

    One of the Irish immigrant waves to the US (I forget which; but not the one from the 1844 Famine) had hoped to replicate the thick bacon & cabbage dish that they remembered fondly from the old county.

    But all the butchers (in whichever of the NYC burroughs where they’d landed) were Jews.

    And how in blazes were they going to find bacon in a Jewish butcher shop?!

    One enterprising butcher, however, had the idea that an item he sold a lot of, Romanian pastrami — prepared from a nice chunk of beef brisket — could, with just a slightly altered mix of herbs & spices in the marinade, make do just fine as a masqueraded “bacon.”

    The Irish immigrants loved it. They added a bit of boiled cabbage, and they baptised it “Corned Beef.”

    For the past hundred years, March 17 has never been the same.

  26. BlandOatmeal Said:

    I guess when it comes to hating Jews, the Irish are on the same page as the English. That’s curious, especially since the same “Black & Tans” that fought the Irish before their independence, were immediately sent to Palestine after that to fight the Jews. With all that said, Joe is wrong: The Irish are quite intelligent. It was Irish Catholic monks who taught the French, English and Germans how to read and write.

    Wow, how impressive!!! According to an Irish author Paul Johnson who is a strong admirer of the Jewish people, Irish Catholic monks taught the French, English and Germans how to read and write. I doubt this is true and is probably at best an exaggeration. But if true that was 1300 years ago wasn’t it? Does that cancel out all of the Irish hatred towards Jews especially in the last 100 years? How smart can they be if Eamon de Valera, paid a condolence call to the German embassy after the worst monster in world history did the only good thing he did in his life: end it. De Valera no doubt would not have made such an insane gesture if he believed it would outrage the Irish public as it would in any civilized country.It shows the naivete of the Irish people. Did they believe Hitler , and Himmler would not have used them as slave labor, killed 1000 Irish at the first sign of defiance and removed everything of value from Ireland and transport it back to Germany?

  27. I guess when it comes to hating Jews, the Irish are on the same page as the English. That’s curious, especially since the same “Black & Tans” that fought the Irish before their independence, were immediately sent to Palestine after that to fight the Jews. With all that said, Joe is wrong: The Irish are quite intelligent. It was Irish Catholic monks who taught the French, English and Germans how to read and write.

  28. I have grown to despise the Irish. The mainstream American Jewish organizations have always hid the abuse both physical and otherwise that Irish Americans have perpetrated on Jewish Americans throughout America’s history. At times,they have acted as bad as Nazis with the exception they have been (thankfully) relatively powerless in the US . The prime minister of Ireland paid a condolence call the German embassy the day after the cowardly worm Hitler committed suicide. Prior to and during World War II, Irish gangs roamed the streets assaulting Jews in the major cities in the Northeastern US especially in Boston home of the scumbag Nazi sympathizer criminal Joseph Kennedy. In Boston, the police being almost entirely Irish ,when they weren’t too drunk, actively persecuted Jews doing their best imitation of Nazis in Germany. In the late 30s and during WWII, Irish gangs roamed Boston especially after hearing radio broadcasts of Father Coughlin ,the Irish American (no coincidence) Catholic priest who was one of the vilest anti-Semites in the history of the US. These cowardly gangs who numbered 40 or more assaulted any Jew they could find. Since Irish made up the vast majority of the city of Boston Police Department, police in Boston and to lesser extents in NY and other cities would not only refuse to arrest the Irish gang members but would sometimes arrest the victims or assist the low life Irish in their physical assaults. Israel should cut off diplomatic relations with the shit hole Ireland. Northern Ireland Protestants are friendly towards Jews and Israel and obviously are civilized unlike the Irish Catholic. Jews should never vote for anyone of Irish ancestry since they are very likely anti-Semites. The Irish who have contributed little of worth to civilization, pride themselves on being tough street fighters since they have such few brain cells they have nothing to lose if they suffer trauma to their tiny brains.