Martin Sherman and Alon Liel TALKS TO RTTV

Peloni:  Here is a rather interesting discussion between the former Director General of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, Dr. Alon Liel, and the head of the Israeli Institute of Strategic Studies, Dr. Martin Sherman.  It is interesting that, while addressing other topics, Dr. Liel seems to hold that everything that was attempted in the past which failed to bring peace should be pursued over again, as Sherman asserts that the way forward is not thru the failures of past peace processes, but thru Israel’s demonstration and pursuit of strength.

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December 17, 2025 | 15 Comments »

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    • @Rafi
      True, but it is truly just the old conception being advanced by a devout follower who can no more break the chains of his religious affiliation with that perilous plot meant to destroy Israel than can a devout pagan break with the rituals that define and restricts his religious devotion. The dogma of the TSS which was sold to the masses was always a perilous religious order disconnected from reality and tied to the destruction of the Jewish state and its citizenry.

  2. Liel does not understand what the fight/war is about. He needs to educate himself about Islam, Jihad, and Moslem mindset. Israel has to be on defense and sometimes offence as long as Islamists and jihadis are around.
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      • Alon Liel
        Hebrew University, Department of International Relations

        Know the Professor: Alon Liel
        Former Director General of Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Israeli Ambassador to South Africa.
        Supports boycotting products from Judea & Samaria.[1]
        Wrote an op-ed in The Guardian titled “For Israelis, Palestinian Oppression Is out of Sight and out of Mind,” in which he expressed support for a pro-boycott initiative to remove the “Made in Israel” labels from goods produced in Judea & Samaria, arguing that they are “occupied land…not Israel.”[2]
        Was secretly recorded urging members of the anti-Israel NGO “Breaking the Silence” to continue drumming up international pressure against Israel and suggested that they try to get Israel kicked out of the United Nations.[3]
        Signed a petition calling on EU member states to boycott “organizations and companies if they are active, directly or indirectly, in the occupied territories.”[4]
        Filed a petition to Israel’s High Court of Justice asking it to prevent the deportation of a known BDS activist.[5]
        Signed an open letter calling on the German government to reject a resolution equating BDS with anti-Semitism. The letter also urged Germany to continue funding organizations, including pro-BDS NGOs, that “peacefully challenge the Israeli occupation” and “expose severe violations of international law.”[6]
        Signed a letter urging the British parliament to recognize a Palestinian state.[7]
        Signed a petition calling to lift the “siege” on Gaza.[8]
        Signed a petition congratulating the EU on its decision to label Israeli products from Judea & Samaria, and urged “the EU and other world governments to take further steps in this direction.”[9]

        Links in article

        https://knowbdsinisrael.com/lecturers/alon-liel/

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      • Ex-Israeli diplomat: Boycott my country

        “Former Israeli ambassador to South Africa Alon Liel argues that a boycott would put pressure on people and businesses, possibly persuading some to relocate inside Israel proper.

        ‘…In a commentary published in Business Day, a South Africa daily, he sided with the South African government, rejecting the foreign ministry’s contention that encouraging the boycott constituted a “racist” policy. With his very public break with government policy, Liel became the rare former senior official to encourage such a boycott…”

        https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0717/Ex-Israeli-diplomat-Boycott-my-country

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  3. <blockquote

    “…From his earliest travels to Palestine in 1925, he saw and developed a regard for the work of the early Jewish immigrants to improve the area’s agriculture and industry. Later he became one of the first non-Jews in America to write favorably about the campaign to establish a Jewish national home in Palestine, and remained a Zionist supporter afterwards. But fundamentally, Van Paassen was a Christian Democratic Socialist concerned, as he put it in his autobiographical Days of Our Years, with the enduring struggle for justice for ordinary individuals. He was a staunch opponent of fascism in Italy, Germany and France from the 1920s, reinforced by the ten days he spent as a prisoner in the Dachau Concentration Camp in late March 1933. His activities as a correspondent brought “expulsion from France by Pierre Laval, from Germany by Joseph Goebbels and from Eritrea by Count Ciano.”[2]

    In 1933 Van Paassen traveled incognito to the Dome of the Rock, a famous Islamic shrine in Jerusalem. He was accompanied by a British Intelligence officer, and both smeared their faces and hands with burnt cork to give them an Arab appearance. They also wore long white garments to give them a “Hadjihs” appearance. Their evasiveness was a necessity, for nonbelievers were (and still are) not allowed in areas that are considered to be the holiest places in the world of Islam. The purpose of their venture was to get an inside look at the radical movement by listening to what the Mullahs were preaching in regards to the political turmoil that was taking place in then British controlled Palestine.[3] Three years later The Great Uprising took form. This redoubled political violence was in part planned by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, whom Van Paassen had interviewed in 1929 about his incitement of the bloody uprising that year against the Jews in Palestine.[4]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_van_Paassen

  4. And Western legacy media hires Hamas stringers to report the news to them and don’t report unapproved – by Hamas – “news” because Hamas is a totalitarian regime and they will be shut out or killed, otherwise. This is not a new phenomenon. I was reminded of this section from one of Van Paassen’s two memoirs and just went and got it off the shelf so I could quote from it. Pierre Van Paassen was an ardent Christian Zionist journalist who even co-wrote a book with Jabotinsky!

    “Siince I could not afford to be excluded from a single European country with so general an assignment, it was to my interest to remain on the good side of all the nascent dictatorships in Europe. Hence, many things I investigated or saw remained unreported.

    ‘For example, in 1928, when I accompanied Henri Barbusse on a trip of investigation in the Balkans, where he had gone to study the methods of the reactionary governments of Rumania and Bulgaria in suppressing popular movements – twelve thousand peasants and workers had been slain in Bulgaria alone in that year – I could not send out a word..

    ‘…So I, too remained silent. It was the only policy. Correspondents like George Seldes, Samuel Spivak, David Darrah Gedye, and myself discovered only too soon that if we did speak out, we did not last very long, either in the countries in which we were stationed or in our jobs. For when a correspondent is expelled from one country after the other, suspicion soon ripens that there is something wrond, not with the place he is forced to leave, but with himself…”

    “Days of Our Years”, 1903-1938 by Pierre Van Passen. Chapter 4, “Men and Events” p 163. Hillman-Curl, Inc., New York. 1939

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  5. And Western legacy media hires Hamas stringers to report the news to them and don’t report unapproved – by Hamas – “news” because Hamas is a totalitarian regime and they will be shut out or killed, otherwise. This is not a new phenomenon. I was reminded of this section from one of this two memoirs and just went and got it off the shelf so I could quote from it. Pierre Van Paassen was an ardent Christian Zionist journalist who even co-wrote a book with Jabotinsky!

    “Siince I could not afford to be excluded from a single European country with so general and assignment, it was to my interest to remain on the good side of all the nascent dictatorships in Europe. Hence, many things I investigated or saw remained unreported.

    ‘For example, in 1928, when I accompanied Henri Barbusse on a trip of investigation in the Balkans, where he had gone to study the methods of the reactionary governments of Rumania and Bulgaria in suppressing popular movements – twelve thousand peasants and workers had been slain in Bulgaria alone in that year – I could not send out a word..

    ‘…So I, too remained silent. It was the only policy. Correspondents like George Seldes, Samuel Spivak, David Darrah Gedye, and myself discovered only too soon that if we did speak out, we did not last very long, either in the countries in which we were stationed or in our jobs. For when a correspondent is expelled from one country after the other, suspicion soon ripens that there is something wrond, not with the place he is forced to leave, but with himself…”

    “Days of Our Years”, 1903-1938 by Pierre Van Passen. Chapter 4, “Men and Events” p 163. Hillman-Curl, Inc., New York. 1939

    “…From his earliest travels to Palestine in 1925, he saw and developed a regard for the work of the early Jewish immigrants to improve the area’s agriculture and industry. Later he became one of the first non-Jews in America to write favorably about the campaign to establish a Jewish national home in Palestine, and remained a Zionist supporter afterwards. But fundamentally, Van Paassen was a Christian Democratic Socialist concerned, as he put it in his autobiographical Days of Our Years, with the enduring struggle for justice for ordinary individuals. He was a staunch opponent of fascism in Italy, Germany and France from the 1920s, reinforced by the ten days he spent as a prisoner in the Dachau Concentration Camp in late March 1933. His activities as a correspondent brought “expulsion from France by Pierre Laval, from Germany by Joseph Goebbels and from Eritrea by Count Ciano.”[2]

    In 1933 Van Paassen traveled incognito to the Dome of the Rock, a famous Islamic shrine in Jerusalem. He was accompanied by a British Intelligence officer, and both smeared their faces and hands with burnt cork to give them an Arab appearance. They also wore long white garments to give them a “Hadjihs” appearance. Their evasiveness was a necessity, for nonbelievers were (and still are) not allowed in areas that are considered to be the holiest places in the world of Islam. The purpose of their venture was to get an inside look at the radical movement by listening to what the Mullahs were preaching in regards to the political turmoil that was taking place in then British controlled Palestine.[3] Three years later The Great Uprising took form. This redoubled political violence was in part planned by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, whom Van Paassen had interviewed in 1929 about his incitement of the bloody uprising that year against the Jews in Palestine.[4]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_van_Paassen

  6. Liel lied about everything. Dr. Sherman asked Liel, “bur what would you have done?” Crickets. Both criticized Israel for not explaining well enough, which is ridiculous, Bibi did a great job in the U.N. on a broadcast world podium, not to memtion Richard Kemp and Douglas Murray just for starters. No mention of Quatar or the Muslim Brotherhood, radical Muslim immigration. The red green alliance. Tik Tok was mentioned but no suggestions for countering its influence. No mention of the “Islamist” and “post-colonialist influence on education at all levels, or the bias of the legacy media, the choice to show images, often fake images from Gaza and not to show real images from Nigeria, Sudan, Syria. Actually, Dr. Sherman did mention that in passing but then the subject was changed. Not that Dr. Sherman was given a chance to get in a word edgewise, for the most part. It was just soundbites, which is bettter
    for demagogues like Liel than scholars like Dr. Sherman.

    I think the most hopeful development in the war for hearts and minds is Larry Ellison appointing Bari Weiss as director of CBS news. There needs to be more Larry Ellisons.

    “Freedom of the press exists only for
    those who own one.” – Apocryphal Benjamin Franklin quote I saw on teeshirts in the ‘70s.

    I queried: ” Out of which country does RT operate?” And got:

    ” (formerly Russia Today) operates out of Russia, funded and controlled by the Russian government, with its main headquarters in Moscow, though it has had regional presences (like RT America in D.C. or RT UK in London) that have mostly been shut down or relocated. It serves as a state-controlled international news network, broadcasting globally in various languages to spread Russian viewpoints.
    Key Details:
    Origin: Russian state-owned and state-funded.
    Headquarters: Moscow, Russia.
    Purpose: To provide an alternative to Western media narratives and broadcast Russian perspectives internationally.
    Operations: While RT has broadcast hubs in different regions, its core funding and control come from Russia.
    Regulation: It has been designated as a foreign agent in the U.S. and had its UK license revoked due to concerns about impartiality and propaganda, notes the U.S. Department of State and UK’s Ofcom. “

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  7. “Alon Liel served under Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
    During the 1999 Knesset elections, Liel was an advisor to Ehud Barak, who was then the chairman of the Labor party. In 2000, after David Levy resigned as Foreign Minister, Prime Minister Barak appointed Liel as the Director General of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a role he held until April 2001.”

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