Peloni: This is a damning report by Rabbi Herzog on the motivation behind next month’s planned meeting between MBS and Trump. As I have noted repeatedly, everything Trump is doing is intended to deal with the threat from China, and the casualties of that war are to be counted even some of America’s best friends…MBS is leveraging the creation of the second Palestinian Arab state to gain access to nuclear power, while being allowed to keep its association with China while supporting China’s regional partner, Iran. There are a lot of baked in bargaining chips intended to be bargained off in exchange for Saudi nuclear aspirations, thus demonstrating once again the proficiency of Saudi negotiating style.
Rabbi Jacob Herzog | X | Oct 23, 2025
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Reasons for His Highness Mohammed bin Salman’s Visit to meet with @realDonaldTrump
Bringing you the real deal. This is my information from my sources:
Saudi Arabia is determined to support a two-state solution as a condition for achieving peace with Israel. His Highness the Prince is trying to convince Trump of this.
Saudi Arabia’s position could change provided American concessions are made, most importantly a peaceful nuclear program for Saudi Arabia and an opportunity to purchase advanced weapons, including the F-35.
Saudi Arabia is determined to maintain its strategic cooperation with China, but at the same time remain friendly with America, or at least not hostile to it.
President Trump is against the Chinese presence in the Gulf and Chinese-Saudi cooperation.
His Highness the Prince is trying to dissuade Trump from striking Iran again. Saudi Arabia’s relationship with Iran has been very friendly since China intervened to reconcile them.
US demands: Saudi support for the reconstruction of Gaza without Hamas, and Saudi Arabia is prepared to provide support in exchange for not requiring Hamas’s withdrawal.
America’s demands: Easing Chinese-Saudi military cooperation. Saudi Arabia rejects this demand and is trying to compensate with new arms deals that would satisfy American companies in order to silence Trump.
America’s demands: Saudi Arabia must abandon the two-state solution as a condition for normalization with Israel, and Saudi Arabia is determined to uphold it.
HRH Mohamed Bin Salman is trying to buy time without antagonizing America, and President Trump is determined to secure all his demands. It will be a difficult behind-closed-doors meeting.
Saudi Arabia is talking about new major investments of around half a billion dollars, but this will unfortunately not convince Trump.
This is looking ugly.
One possibility would be for Trump to make King Abdullah of Jordan an offer he cannot refuse in exchange for abdication.
If a way can be found for the king to abdicate, there will be a Palestinian state in Jordan.
Any other Palestinian state such as one inside the boundaries of Israel should be off the table.
Saudi Arabia seems to want to have it all ways at once. They want their relationship with China, and they want a relationship with the US, but only if the US bends to their will.
I am sure Trump doesn’t want to lose SA as a potential ally, but they are making themselves quite unattractive with all their demands.
So there is Turkey which wants Israel destroyed, then there is Qatar that wants Israel destroyed, Syria has a mass murdering president, whose own people committed genocide against the non-Sunni population of Syria; now Saudi Arabia that wants Israel to be vulnerable to attack at any moment from Palestinians who get a state of their own as a reward for their psychopathic mass murdering of Jews.
I don’t see any likelihood of any kind of peace amongst these countries.
It’s striking that Israel is the only country that doesn’t want to butcher people based upon their religion or ethnicity, Israel just wants peace.
Yet Israel is surrounded by countries who just want to destroy her.
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.
If Rabbi Herzog has the real facts, Trump is bending under pressure and expects Israel to become an unwilling partner. The TSS is off the table but MBS keeps trying to make it happen. Although it is not the best solution, I would recommend to forget the deal with the Saudis and the Abraham Accords because they obviously want a dhimmi State of Israel rather than partner. Sorry Donald, this is not going to be your birthday present and please, don’t threaten us anymore. That hasn’t really worked for any of your predecessors.
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Per Rabbi Herzog above, Trump is not bending under pressure, but is instead
which includes having KSA abandon its demand of a second Pal state.
From this report, MBS is playing the role of a China pawn, which is not the best bargaining position to take with DJT on any day, IMO, but the Saudis are masters at winning the better hand in nearly all negotiations with the US, and they have an innumerable support from their sycophants in the US State Dept. The question remains how Trump well Trump will stand up to these Saudi assets, and a great deal depends upon him being successful in doing so, but for Israel and the US, and of course, Trump is well aware of this fact.