By Ted Belman
I want to make a number of points that few if any are making about Netanyahu’s proposal for the Ulpana demolition order.
1. If he can arrange for 50 homes to be built in Beit El, why doesn’t he do it in any event. What is he waiting for.
2. He said: “It is always possible to resolve this through legislation, but that comes with a price, including in the international arena.” and “The bill could be disqualified by the Court and cause problems internationally, which would result in the outpost being evacuated and damage to the entire settlement enterprise”. Why is he so worried about what the reaction in the “international area” will be? How can the international community react more to such legislation than it will to 50 more homes? And on what basis will they get upset? That the Knesset over ruled the Court? That’s not a war crime, its democracy. Why is he more worried about the world than he is about his constituency but for whom he wouldn’t be Prime Minister.
What he is saying is shocking. He is saying that if we anger the intervational community, they can force the removal of the entire settlement and further damage the settlement enterprise. The suggestion that they have so much power is shocking.
3. We are told that his government has a policy of demolishing Jewish homes on “private Palestinian land” and pursuant to that policy the Government lawyers asked the Court to issue the demolition order. Why does the Government of Israel have such a policy? Why doesn’t it change the policy? Why doesn’t the policy apply to Arab built homes on “private Palestinian land”? Why does our government not argue in Court that the houses were built in good faith and thus it is up to the Court to weigh whether it is better to demolish or to compensate? Given the fact that the Court was just enforcing the request of the government why can the government not change its mind?
4. Why is the government not passing a law that in future, the lower court must first determine the facts of ownership. If there is no valid claim to ownership, then what is “private Palestinian land”? Does anyone know?
5. Why is the government letting Arabs plant on State lands but not Jews?
6. Why does the government seek demolition of Jewish homes built illegally in Area C and not Arab homes which are built illegally in Arab C?
@ Canadian Otter:
Arutz 7 ceased being a right wing nationalist media organ years ago. They brought in very mainstream personalities and got rid of any who might be considered controversial. The exception today is Tamar Yonah. I think Christian money may have something to do with it. In the past years they have lost many of the Israeli Listeners in favor of mostly Christian fundamentalists. Pity how money corrupts everything.
@ SHmuel HaLevi:
Arutz Sheva Radio is also still waiting for a license, I think, after having been shut down years ago.
The government is not shocked or insulted at Nazi propaganda being broadcast by PA-TV, though. The Israeli government continues to rent air frequencies to PA-TV, without ever raising any objection to its constant incitement.
But for nationalists there is always the internet. People must use it before Big Brother completely muzzles everyone except those supporting the government.
And don’t give up on RADIO FREE ISRAEL.
@ Canadian Otter:
We have set up RADIO FREE ISRAEL, a bona-fide radio system years back to serve the people in Eretz Israel. No help came along to run it and such big system needs at least four people to operate it.
Ah! License? Sure, Peresyau and the courtiers will rush to give us licence. Any day…
@ yamit82:
Part 1 of my comment has been held for moderation.
@ yamit82:
Part 1 – A lucid and realistic outline of Yesha society. Thank you, Yamit.
I have no first-hand experience, but it all seems to fit with my general impression.
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I watched the Gush Katif video you suggested.
Worse than heartbreaking, it brings out feelings of anger and disgust.
But true nationalists must not let that experience break their spirit and destroy their faith in their own power.
That’s what their enemies want: They want them divided and mired in hopelessness and confusion.
They want them helpless in face of government brutal force and the ineffectiveness or outright betrayal by their grassroots leadership.
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But Jews can learn their lesson and change tactics. The best incentive for change should be the constant threat of further victimization.
It took their enemies years of deceit, corruption, and indoctrination to perpetrate their final act of betrayal against defenders of Gush Katif.
One can still see the same process going on today.
Constant acts of betrayal and deceit by Jews against Jews are somewhat reminiscent of a picture of fractal geometry. The same motifs repeat through millennia – and on a large and small scale in present Israeli society.
That’s life.
And in spite of Israeli and settlements diversity as you outlined them – nationalists will have to work with what they have.
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A YESHA Union.
I still believe that to save Judea and Samaria Jews must start with organization.
True nationalist Yesha Jews, no matter how few, can start small.
Their organization must not only be peaceful and law-abiding, but appear to be so as well. Authorities will be watching and ready to pounce on them at the slightest misstep.
The Left will also use their usual tricks to infiltrate, to spy, and to scuttle their efforts. No matter. Yesha Jews need to organize and persevere, and attract honorary and active members from among influential Israelis to bolster their ranks.
The reason why many Yesha residents do not participate in activism may be that the rewards are meager to non-existent.
But success breeds success.
There needs to be a democratic Yesha Union where the people – not self-appointed leaders or officials and rabbis in the pay of government – will call the shots.
@ yamit82:
Part 2 – Just wondering, what happened to those fake-nationalists such as Zambish, Pinchas Wallerstein, the rabbis, and others identified on the Meraglim video?
I did a quick Google search and it seems that they are still officially regarded as respectable members of the community. Sighhh…..!
By the way, on part 3 of the video, when the group is at Kfar Darom they decide to establish an alternative to Yesha Council, but they never get around to it, and they allow traitors to continue hijacking their revolt.
I’m sure the idea of a parallel Yesha organization has come up many times in the past. It would be a good sign of independence, showing they mean business.
@ yamit82:
A lucid and realistic outline of Yesha society. Thank you, Yamit.
I have no first-hand experience, but it all seems to fit with my general impression.
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I watched the Gush Katif video you suggested.
Worse than heartbreaking, it brings out feelings of anger and disgust.
But true nationalists must not let that experience break their spirit and destroy their faith in their own power.
That’s what their enemies want: They want them divided and mired in hopelessness and confusion.
They want them helpless in face of government brutal force and the ineffectiveness or outright betrayal by their grassroots leadership.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But Jews can learn their lesson and change tactics. The best incentive for change should be the constant threat of further victimization.
It took their enemies years of deceit, corruption, and indoctrination to perpetrate their final act of betrayal against defenders of Gush Katif.
One can still see the same process going on today.
Constant acts of betrayal and deceit by Jews against Jews are somewhat reminiscent of a picture of fractal geometry. The same motifs repeat through millennia – and on a large and small scale in present Israeli society.
That’s life.
And in spite of Israeli and settlements diversity as you outlined them – nationalists will have to work with what they have.
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A YESHA Union.
I still believe that to save Judea and Samaria Jews must start with organization.
True nationalist Yesha Jews, no matter how few, can start small.
Their organization must not only be peaceful and law-abiding, but appear to be so as well. Authorities will be watching and ready to pounce on them at the slightest misstep.
The Left will also use their usual tricks to infiltrate, to spy, and to scuttle their efforts. No matter. Yesha Jews need to organize and persevere, and attract honorary and active members from among influential Israelis to bolster their ranks.
The reason why many Yesha residents do not participate in activism may be that the rewards are meager to non-existent.
But success breeds success.
There needs to be a democratic Yesha Union where the people – not self-appointed leaders or officials and rabbis in the pay of government – will call the shots.
{quote from Daniel Pipes blog}
If we follow this to the conclusion then Israel as she sits at the moment is doomed.
I do not really believe any of the above about no pressure from the US. TYhe US we learned in Yugoslavia plays many roles at the same time.
But for whatever reason the Israeli leaders have taken decision to throw caution to the winds and to trust the Arabs.
i emphasise the “,leaders”. Almost all of the blogs I read do not trust the Arabs in any way and the people who do such as J Street are universally seen by 99 per cent of Jews as being traitors.
there is a severe crisis of leadership as is evidenced by comment 6 by Yamit above:
I also disagree very much with this idea of making Jordan the land of the “palestinians”. This land was promised as the Jewish Homeland.
This is kind of the same thing that Sharon argued and also Rabin.
In this fight you do not GIVE anything. I mean a leadership which does not.
My only criticism of Yamit is that he accurately describes the crisis but does not offer any concrete way out, to resolve the crisis of leadership.
Bill is not all bad. Bill has a very sharp mind. But can he turn his mind to resolve this crisis in leadership.
Bill once answered me on this theme but what do you do with these Arabs and the clear answer is do nothing.
Why do Jews have to do anything? Just do not give them the enemy one single thing.
After this history when the Arabs were in league with the Nazis then Jews must make it clear that they give nothing, but they will defend themselves ruthlessly if harmed in any way.
The myths underpinning the betrayals
1. if Jews treat the Arabs kindly they will respond with kindness.
2. if Jews do make a sacrifice as did Sharon over gaza then that will be a definite line in the sand. the first rocket from Gaza would be met with total force. That is the other side of that myth.
I ask Ted why should Jews help Arabs in any way as is suggested by this Jordan thing I read at the top.
Do nothing. Just react wikth total ruthlessness to any attack.
Yamit, when you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a hard right fanatic like Ed to support your ad hominem attack against me, I take it as an admission that you can’t stand on your own to voice your views and defend them in any rational way.
Ad hominem attacks never amount to a cogent rational case for your views. Several of your past exchanges with me, hint that you know that as you do write responsively and responsibly, but I can’t give that same benefit of the doubt to Ed.
Sorry to say that Ed, but there is no point served in mincing words.
@ yamit82:
Interesting Yamit,
I believe that you are aware that I am a former Senior-Fellow Engineer US Department of Defense Military Avionics with airborne patent work to my name. A good friend of mine from Canada is also top level on the aircraft and tank subjects. Junk we got plenty from many “allies & friends”. And if we fall for the F-35 dud we will regret for a long time. I was part of the ATF, (Advanced Tactical Fighter), avionics team. That turned into the F-22 and the F-35 is lateral junk.
Also an Invited Consultant to the Israeli Ministry of Defense. Generally I could claim to know a bit 😉 about many of the subjects some of the hip shooters prattle about.
That is all I am ready to dig into.
The torpedo division of one of the firms I worked with was not quite pleased to provide certain types of torpedoes to our Navy… Many others acted the same way.
Arguably Sperry and General Dynamics were inclined to co produce with Israel and act on the level.
(Attended two special training courses at the US Navy China Lake Naval Weapons Center facility).
The US never for a second “gave” Israel anything without a string or rope attached and the US receives huge payments in money and know how in return.
I agree with you almost 100% in every respect.
Incidentally one of my assignments was to provide Engineering support to the Procurement groups.
Don Peresyahu… Anyone placing any trust on the speechster is asking to be used and assaulted.
A very important debate
There is a central philosophical question here surrounding the use above of the term “hindsight”
The method of the Hegelian “path of knowledge” is that humans are not a blank slate and as we approach new developments or phenomena we do so on the basis of a body of knowledge or to put it another way, a theory.
All animals use this method, even my little dog does this. Though he does not see the total picture in the way I do. This morning my dog ran off chasing some rabbits. I understood very well. But when I got him I disaproved strongly. He knew exactly what to expect. But he took a chance. What he does not know and I know is how dangerous in this environment it is for him to get himself lost. My obvious disaproval will deter him (for a while)
At the time of Gaza on Israpundit with Joseph I opposed especially Omri Coren. I reasoned on past experience, all past experience, you do not give land or anything to this particular Arab enemy, or any Arab.
That was actually not that clever. It was rather more just applying the laws of perception, learning involving an accumulated theory.
Yet others like Omri wanted to approach it with a clean slate.
Or put this another way…people are able to convince themselves of anything.
I called also then urgently for Likud to expel Ariel Sharon from Likud. This was at a precise time when Sharon organised a poll inside Likud, his party, yet when the poll said do not leave Gaza, Sharon proceeded to ignore it and team up with traitors like Olmert and Livni.
There was a precise point to expel Sharon and that precise point was missed.
I have always said that since that precise point in time Likud was finished.
This also applies to the present. Time goes on and Likud is still there. My demand on Likud NOW is that Netanyahu should be expelled IMMEDIATELY from Likud.
We need a new leadership.
@ steven belsky:
Are you related to Babsie? The Guy who loves other guys. Why is it that I get vibes in the color pink when I read your comments? I have read those same comments in the same words by a number of Israpundit commenters. Isn’t that curious?
@ Bill Narvey:
Ed Katz says:
May 30, 2012 at 2:38 am
@ steven belsky:
Look Belsky I have been involved in import export here in Israel for over 20Years. I was dealing with USSR before Gorbachev. I was an authorized supplier to Israeli Military Industries IMI. I have supplied parts and components to over a hundred projects that dealt with Israeli military projects and many more civilian ones. So pls believe me that I might know just a little about what our capabilities are and something about Intl. trade and procurement.
You confuse receiving for non payment arms and other military necessities and purchasing them for payment. Most of the Russian supplied armaments in 48 were junk and all of the Messerschmidt’s crashed due to mechanical failure and for lack of parts. If the Russians had really wanted to help they could have supplied tanks artillery and workable aircraft. Stalin wanted the war to continue hoping the Jews would be wiped out hence his limited but needed junk he sent to us.
If I have learned anything it’s that for cold hard currency you can buy anything and I mean anything. There is virtually nothing I can’t source and purchase for a price. France was Israels best friend for some 19 years till They stopped being our best friend and when they refused to deliver the Mirages we had purchased we stole the plans from Switzerland for cash payment and built our own. When, they refused to deliver gunboats we had purchased from France we stole them and sailed them to Israel. Two years later we were building our own gunboats. In 1967, 6 day war we had no superpower backing but we did pretty good without it.
The British sold us centurion tanks and the Americans old WW2 Sherman tanks but when they wouldn’t sell us tanks we built our own. When the Americans denied SAT Intel (Pollard affair) We made and put into space our own Satellites. When the Americans denied us cruise missiles we made our own as we have bunker busters. When America refused to sell or give us AWACS we made our own and have sold more than the value of American Mil assistance for any three year period. Without American threats and veto over our AWACS to China we could have sold up to $10 Bil more just to China.
There is nothing and I mean nothing Israel cannot produce herself or purchase. The Russians are buying our drones, as are the Americans. The Russians would kill to have us buy from them their top of the line aircraft and to get access to some of our technology. That would save Israel 2/3rds of the unit costs of what we get from American aid. We are not so poor where we need the aid and it comes with restrictions that aid American industry and hurt our own. With out the aid we loosen the American restrictions and vetoes over our own military sales and manufacture.
If Germany had not agreed what they agreed to we wuld have gone somewhere else and I don’t have to tell you that German products are among the most expensive. Korea could have made similar or we might have made the subs ourselves. There are always options. Part of the German consideration is that their contributions bought Israeli silence over their extensive aid to Iran’s nuke project. There are no free lunches and certainly not from America.
Israel is a tiny country with capabilities far in excess of our size. Do not underestimate our capabilities to manufacture or to procure anything we might need without doing us any favors. A lot of what we make and the level of technology we employ is not in the public domain but if it were known it would blow your mind.
@ steven belsky:
@ Bill Narvey:
Two turkeys.
Bill, your a typical attorney who is overly impressed with himself lacking common sense having no idea what it’s like living in Israel.
Yamit continues to prove you don’t know what the hell your talking about. That pisses you off.
As far as steven belsky, his mother raised him to be a sissy.
He’s a hit and run squirt.
He likes comic books.
@ Bill Narvey:
Re your description of Yamit- And those are only his good qualities.
seriously though, he loves to pull your ding-dong. That’s how he gets his jollies. All in all- A VERY SAD, SAD, SAD CASE.
Yamit, you never tire patting yourself on the back and telling us how right you are and how wrong anyone is to disagree with you.
That speaks volumes about the kind of person you are – narcissistic, arrogant, conceited, uncompromising and the unshakeable belief that you are the smartest person in the room.
Hey. That pretty much sums up President Barak Hussein Obama. Any relation to you?
@ yamit82:
Just ask yourself. Where would Israel be without outside help?. The west provided the arms that were required to survive. Slingshots would not have sufficed in the very early years of Israel’s existence. Arms fom the soviet bloc, Mirages from france and highly sophisticated fighter airplanes fom US (plus the training plus spare parts) and now submarines from Germany,suitable for nukes. Most Israelis know that. Only a translplanted Yankee schmuck like my good friend Yammie think otherwise.
Go ahead, vent if you like.
@ Bill Narvey:
Hindsight my ass!! I predicted as have others what would happen and why, long before the event. My criticisms of Sharon were no less strident and specific than are my criticism of BB. Check Israpundit archives which will corroborate what I have just claimed. Then check what I said about BB and our debates and arguments over my characterizations of him and what I expected would happen if he became PM again. Note what was your positions then and now? Have you learned anything in Hindsight? I don’t thinks so.
Sharon I knew insofar as I served under his command. I knew those close to him from the beginning and he was a pathological crooked psychopath then and didn’t change even at the end.
What in your most humble and insightful opinion could the Pali diaper heads give to Israel which could in your mind justify giving up the heart of Israel? What? mutatis mutandis? What changes to our situation do you see where giving up our historical heartland would make giving away our Liberated heartland to our sworn enemies, palatable and justified? Take any map of Israel understand that the Arabs live mong us and adjacent to us. What security arrangements do you think can be implemented giving us security if the palis chose the time and the means to attack us? Israel will never be secure in a sea of 300 million Muslim Arabs and less so if we do not depopulate both Israel and the territories of all Arabs. Arab youth in Israel holding Israeli citizenship constitute 34% of the population once they all attain voting age. Aligned with the leftist Block they would control the state. The Arabs are proficient in two areas. The make deserts and they make many kids. Everyone of those kids will be raied into believing we stole their land. Where is your make belief concept of security in this context?
It’s not just Obama it’s every American administration. What do you mean hopefully. That’s a stupid position to take in view of his policies to date. If he hasn’t changed by now he won’t in the next year. There are no forces other than the crooked characters we select and elect. I refuse to believe that there is any pressure or leverage any outside force can apply on us that would justify treasonous behavior and a betrayal of the Israeli people. It’s 100% our leaders and not outside forces. Nobody is holding a gun to BB’s head to stay in office. You would rather believe that the leader of Israel is just a puppet of unnamed outside forces rather than blame him, in this case BB. I blame BB 100% he is not a leader nor is he right for our leader. He has done nothing to disprove my contention.
@ terrence:
Then I suggest you return all territories annexed and stolen from Canadian Indigenous native peoples.
Personally I don’t need your Harper or your approval to exist. Even if you don’t agree you Jew hating ,,,,,! I say F#$#%^ You,
The lands that you and your Canadian government do not recognize our rights to, are those very Jewish historical lands that make us Jews. Anyone against that position is by default anti-Jewish.
Pls. explain what Canadian troops are doing in Afghanistan? Where is the Canadian interest except for kissing Americas ass? Canada is no less an American Vassal State than Israel. As such does Canada have a right to exist as an American extension and puppet?
Terrance, I do not think you have accurately stated Canada’s policy as regards the Israel vs. Palestinian conflict.
Canada does not take the position that J & S are rightfully Palestinian land. Rather, Canada’s position is that this is disputed land over which Palestinians make claim, but Israel is in lawful occupation as per the import of UNSCR 242 that calls for Israel going out of occupation of territories, but not necessarily all territories concurrent with and as part of an overall peace agreement between Israel and the Arabs. Palestinians to the extent they claim to be the successors in title to J & S, UNSCR 242 is considered applicable to them.
That overall peace agreement has not happened. There is no reason therefor that Israel must go out of occupation before that agreement is reached, even if it appears certain that ultimately on the happening of such agreement, Israel will go out of occupation of most of those territories, subject to having ownership and retaining some land for its needs and security.
Such peace agreement contemplated is to be achieved through direct negotiations, which is the view voiced by all Western leaders. These Western leaders, save Canada have hypocritically also called for Israel to make concessions, including land concessions without such agreement reached, but in the hope that such concessions will induce the parties to engage in direct negotiations to reach a final overall peace agreement within the parameters of the 2 state solution.
Canada, like the U.S. is not prepared to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city for to do so, is considered prejudging the outcome of negotiations.
Though I am not convinced that your extreme negative characterizations of the Israeli police and the IDF are necessarily warranted in part or in whole, the facts you have presented are useful in better understanding some of what went down when the 8,000 Jews from Gush Katif were forced from their homes.
Hindsight almost always clears away the fog of uncertainty that people are faced with in a time of crisis or issue that demands a solution.
In the case of Sharon’s decision to expel the Jews from Gush Katif and relinquish the land to the Palestinians, I was against it on two counts.
I agreed with those more in the know who feared Sharon’s objectives would not be achieved and worse than that, it would bolster Palestinians to become even more aggressive in their demands and terrorism.
2ndly, when it comes to negotiations with Palestinians, I am only in favor of quid pro quo concessions being received by Israel that is worth at least as much as that which Israel negotiates away.
That said, I recall I could not mount anything more than an argument for my views for Sharon’s decision really was itself a judgment call based on his best guesstimate that benefit to Israel would be more likely than cost.
Sharon’s critics were proven correct.
Hindsight, however teaches valuable lessons if we are willing to learn from history.
In the case of Sharon’s Gush Katif decision and consequent action, it seems crystal clear that Israel cannot give anything away to the Palestinians, unless Israel gets as good or better from them in return.
Until such opprotunity arises, Israel must forge ahead based on her own assessment of what is in Israel’s best interests, long term security and realization of her national aspirations and not allow herself to submit to the will of Western leaders and world opinion that disingenuously dress up their will to advance their own best interests as if that applies mutatis mutandis to Israel’s best interests.
The Palestinians have been feverishly working to establish themselves throught J & S and shore up their positions. Those efforts have been ignored by the Obama led West and world opinion, which does not hesitate to single out Israel for condemnation should she even build a few Jewish houses or tear down a few houses illegally occupied or built by Palestinians in East Jerusalem.
The Obama led West and world opinion have been applying an unconscionable double standard to Israel. Israel cannot afford to let that stand.
Hopefully the Netanyahu government does learn from hindsight. So far, they do not appear to have learned those lessons very well or if they actually have, there are forces, inside and outside Israel that may be preventing the Netanyahu government from acting on those lessons.
Ted
There is no doubt that BB has long before the last election, that he was on the side of a Judenfrei West Bank.
There is no secret that BB wants a Palis State in all or most of the West Bank. He has said so many times. So his obvious positions should shock no one. On most things he is a liar but not on his goals for a Palis State and in a Juden Raus in a Judenfrei West Bank.
He has said as much in many forums, and in many ways acted on them. He also believes he will succeed in those aims.
He will need an Obama in office to accomplish his vision. Just as America uses Israel, Israel uses America.
It’s a nasty destructive symbiotic relationship.
TED WATCH THE PERFIDIOUS LEADERS OF SETTLERS AND HOW THEY WERE COMPLICIT IN THE BETRAYAL OF GUSH KATIF
Meraglim – 1 of 4 Documentary that should answer all of your questions!!
@ Bill Narvey:
I can only cite the policy of Canada, by far the warmest and most loyal friend of Israel. Canada recognizes israel’s right to exist but also believes that the territories are the domain of the Palestinians, except perhaps for some border modefications, to be negotiated by the parties concerned.The Harper government does not accept as legal Israeli land seizure nor wholesale confiscation of any of the property of the Palestinians. I don’t believe that there is any nation on earth that is favorably disposed to annexation.
@ Canadian Otter:
The population of Y&S is not politically or religiously homogeneous. There are Town dwellers like Ariel, Ma’ale Adumim and Kiryat Arba an small isolated ideological settlements. There are those outside the Security Fence and those inside. Almost 100% of the leadership are paid by the government. All were and many still are not democaticly elected but appointed by the various government ministries depending on jurisdiction and state budget allocations.
Most of the Rabbinical leadership are paid by the government and their Yeshivas are supported by the Finance ministry as are local councils.
Most residents in the territories work inside of the green-line Israel. They are dependent upon the government for all infrastructure and government permits for everything minor of major. which in many cases requires the MD to approve and sign regardless of the actions of any other ministry and above all they are dependent on the IDF and goodwill of the DM for their physical protection.
Some are aligned with Likud, some with NU and NH (Mafdal) parties but there are also tens of thousands of Haredim aligned with Shas and the Ultra Orthodox. Half the population including suburbs of Jerusalem built over the Green_Line are secular Jews representing all political and ideological positions in Israel.
Those living inside the fence believe they are safe and are less willing to be active in support of those outside the fence and visa a versa.
Most are too involved with earning a living and raising families to involve themselves in political activisim, certainly not an activism that might endangr their livelihood not to mention being physically brutalized by the Israeli Nazi Yassam Police Units supported by the (holy) IDF usually led by antisemitic officers or are careerist who choose careers over principles and obey even illegal orders rather than rebel or resign.
It’s difficult for a population that has elevated the State and the IDF into untouchable holy cows but that’s the result of two generations of indoctrination. They may yell scream and Cry but will not oppose the state or the IDF in any meaningful way even if it means their destruction as a community. That makes them laudable citizens and excellent motivated soldiers but lousy rebels and revolutionaries. They will play by the rules which are stacked against them and thus lose.
The biggest traitors of the cause are the Rabbis who should be leading the fight but they have chosen personal interests over G-d and Torah. Never choose or follow any leader secular or religious on the company payroll (government)!!! They are all to a greater or lesser degree corrupted. If there is any hope it’s the Young kids who refuse to listen or follow the constituted authorities othewise known as the hilltop youth. Or what some call Price Tag Youth. The heroes of Liberated Israel are not Arabs, and they are loath to start a civil war. But everyone has a breaking point.
WATCH THE PERFIDIOUS LEADERS OF SETTLERS AND HOW THEY WERE COMPLICIT IN THE BETRAYAL OF GUSH KATIF
Meraglim – 1 of 4 Documentary that should answer all of your questions!!
What is at stake is nothing less than a Jewish majority state. Messing with your breeding stock (the Jews of Judea and Samaria) is what the government did in Gaza. Many of those poor souls are still homeless and I am certain that a good statistician would be able to estimate the decreased number of children that would have been expected to have been born had the Gaza settlements been left undisturbed.
In the meantime, the Left seems to be creating a Muslim majority in Israel by encouraging African illegal immigration and family reunification for Muslims that marry across the Green Line.
Again, it is the lack of unity of purpose among the Jews that will lead to disaster if justifications cannot be found for denying voting citizenship to people who would destroy the Jewish character of the state. Those most intent on winning against the Jews are myriad including Marxists (non-Jews and Jews), One-World advocates, particular nationalities that seem to have imbibed a genetic form of antisemitism such as the British elites, and those of the “political realists” school.
Netanyahu is afraid of world reaction because opposition can come in so many forms. The mere idea that Barak could suggest another Gaza-style withdrawal speaks to an estimation of world reaction that is magnified in the heads of even the most intelligent leaders. Both Netanyahu and Barak are really smart people, but intelligence is overrated in decision making when there are only estimations (usually poor) of how people are going to react. The open-borders style of immigration so prevalent in Europe can change on a dime but once Israel leaves territory, it will be held to that standard no matter what the new style of border protection that arises in Europe. Only an idiot lives without borders even if that just means closing the front door at night.
The Israeli government wants to give away Judea and Samaria through the back door.
If it can make life as difficult and unpleasant for the Jews to stay as possible, they will give up and leave.
Call it genocide in slow motion.
The sham legal argument is just a number of tactics being tested and applied to expel the Jews from Judea and Samaria.
Again, the rule of law and justice have nothing to do with the Israeli government’s policy.
All good questions, How then do you corner the GOI to deal with these questions?
On the issue of private Palestinian land, I had raised the question before on what basis do Palestinians have a rightful claim to those property rights?
Certainly, prior to WWI, indiginous Arabs’s property rights flowed from the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire and whatever property title registry the Ottoman Turks had instituted under its authority.
With the Ottoman Turks’s defeat in WWI, that sovereignty was lost. Were indiginous people’s title to their private lands extinguished? What about those Jews who had purchased land from the indigious Arabs? Were their rights too extinguished? The allies seized control of those regions under the territorial Mandatory system.
Did any Mandatory provisions deal with the Ottoman property laws in terms of enabling those laws to remain in effect?
Is there a body of international law that enabled indiginous Arabs and Jews who owned land under the Ottoman Turks to retain those property rights?
Can Israel make laws as pertains to property rights, that extends beyond her own recognized jurisdictional borders?
One can thresh this finer and flesh out other pertinent questions.
If anyone is out there who have the knowledge to answer the foregoing questions and those posed by Ted, it would be great if they came forward.
Other questions:
– Why are settlers so disunited?
– Why isn’t there an independent Yesha Union to fight for ALL settlements?
– Why is it that when an outpost or a settlement is under threat of demolition, only the residents of that area are heard from? What about other settlers? Other Israelis?
– And of course, without Yesha unity, how can we expect other Israelis to lend support to threatened communities?
This issue of lack of Yesha organization and unity needs to be addressed as soon as possible.
Lack of Jewish unity against government abouse of settlers is not only a detriment to the settlement enterprise but an embarrassment.
It was not very long ago that Germans were berated for having remained silent when German Jewish citizens were ostracized and persecuted by authorities. Later on, of course, it was too late to do much about what followed.
These days Israelis don’t seem to care about what happens to the settlements. There may come a time, however, when they too will be forced to evacuate under fire from the Arab Nazi Palestinian State.
I had hoped Netanyahu may have learned from his last term in office and not make the same mistakes. I thought he had changed, that he would genuinely look out for the interests of the State of Israel this time. So once again he is just all talk. When it comes down to it, he caves to international (especially American) pressure. Is there no leader in Israel who can withstand the pressure?