Frauds: Scientists Now Say It’s a Problem That Shrinking Glacier Is Finally Growing
BY BENJAMIN ARIE, CONSERVATIVE TRIBUNE
You’ve probably heard the alarmed scientists and politicians before: Global warming is causing glaciers to melt, serving as the proverbial canary in the mine shaft of a planet on the brink of disaster — and the world could end in just over a decade as a result.
But many of those same scientists are now scratching their heads and scrambling to come up with an explanation after an important glacier in Greenland was found to be growing again.
The Jakobshavn glacier is a massive ice sheet that’s about a mile thick. This frozen wonder has influenced history in the past, with many experts believing that the iceberg that famously sunk the Titanic broke off from this ice sheet before drifting into the North Atlantic.
Over the last few years, climate experts pointed to retreating ice on the Jakobshavn glacier as Exhibit A in the global warming debate.
“The Jakobshavn glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles and thinning nearly 130 feet annually,” The Associated Press reported.
That is, until now. Despite climate experts and politicians alike insisting that massive, economy-changing regulations were needed to stop glaciers from melting, it seems the Earth had other plans.
Over the last two years, the Jakobshavn glacier has been growing again at the same rate it was previously shrinking.
“Ocean temperatures in the bay’s upper 250 m have cooled to levels not seen since the mid-1980s,” the glacier study found.
Yes, despite human population growth and fossil fuel use bemoaned by figures like Al Gore over the last few decades, ocean temps in that region have been going down.
“That was kind of a surprise. We kind of got used to a runaway system,” said Jason Box, a scientist who works with the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland.
Other scientists admitted that the new ice being added to the glacier was likely part of a natural process largely outside of human control.
“A natural cyclical cooling of North Atlantic waters likely caused the glacier to reverse course, said study lead author Ala Khazendar, a NASA glaciologist on the Oceans Melting Greenland project,” the AP reported. “The water in Disko Bay, where Jakobshavn hits the ocean, is about 3.6 degrees cooler than a few years ago.”
It’s worth pointing out the Greenland-sized elephant in the room here: If “natural cyclical cooling” is a major factor in glacier density, wouldn’t that imply that the inverse — natural cyclical warming — also sometimes occurs?
This seems a bit like a shell game. When there appears to be a cooling pattern, it’s cyclical and natural; when there’s a warming pattern, it’s all the fault of humans and we need massive government takeovers to stop it.
Scientists seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to explaining the unexpected shift in the Jakobshavn glacier. Experts were quick to breathe a sigh of relief that ice was expanding, but went on to still call the glacier expansion “bad news.”
“(T)his is bad news on the long term because it tells scientists that ocean temperature is a bigger player in glacier retreats and advances than previously thought,” the AP said.
A University of Washington ice scientist named Ian Joughin called it “a temporary blip” and predicted that the glacier would continue to melt even after the last few years of data showed the opposite.
“In the long run we’ll probably have to raise our predictions of sea level rise again,” NASA climate scientist Josh Willis said.
Again, those same climate scientists failed to predict that the glacier was going to grow over the last two years and called it a “surprise.”
And that’s the big point here: Scientists have a pretty poor track record at making large-scale predictions years into the future. Climate models are useful, but as this unexpected glacier growth just showed, they’re also deeply flawed.
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“We conclude that projections of Jakobshavn’s future contribution to sea-level rise that are based on glacier geometry are insufficient,” the glacier study said.
That is exactly why caution and conservatism should be the watchwords when experts preach doom and gloom. We simply don’t know enough about the climate and the planet to gamble entire economies on predictions, and we should be wary when only one side of the facts are used to push big-government expansion.
Good science will acknowledge that there are far more unknowns than knowns — which is exactly why there’s far less of a consensus on global warming than the political left wants to admit.
@Edgar Only in Israel.
However, “A celebrity is someone who works hard all his life to become well-known and then wears dark sunglasses – or leaves the country altogether – to avoid being recognized.”
“Ephraim Kishon (Hebrew: ????? ?????; August 23, 1924 – January 29, 2005) was a Hungarian-born Israeli author, dramatist, screenwriter, and Oscar-nominated film director. He was one of the most widely read contemporary satirists in Israel and was also particularly popular in German-speaking countries.”
“In 1981, Kishon established a second home in the rural Swiss canton of Appenzell as he felt unwelcome in Israel due to his status as an immigrant.[1] Being a popular Israeli writer, he still felt he was getting negative treatment from the Israeli media due to the fact he was rather right wing in his political views.[5]
‘Kishon died on January 29, 2005, at his home in Switzerland at the age of 80 following a cardiac arrest. His body was flown to Israel and he was buried at the Trumpeldor Cemetery in Tel Aviv.”
Wikipedia
How many Ukrainians know of him? I ask you.
SEB-
NO…!! Obscure means obscure. Kishon is very well known …
However, I did see that a free movie from the ’50s and a cartoon reboot from Disney in the 1990’s about the role of Big Pharma in the Romanov Dynasty and its role in their downfall in the Russian Revolution and Civil War popped up on my Youtube news feed.
Zero Mostel was not in Sallah, ruining my joke. AI is really dangerous, isn’t it?
Sallah cast list. I thought something seemed funny, not the ha ha kind, but the spoiled milk kind. Tevye is the dairyman in Fiddler.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058541/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st#cast
Ephraim Kishon
The obscure writer who invented ZERO did so when noting down the
Christian impossibilities to a door knocker missionary.
He famously said “40 Christian “facts” multiplied by ZERO is still ZERO”.
I have his booklet but don’t recall his name.
You see how the Jews are blamed for Everything.
So, if I go swimming tomorrow, will it finally get a little warmer? I’m so sick of
this long winter, longest most brutal I can recall here in Manhattan – center of
the known galaxy outside of Israel. You know, I visited Miami in January and it was freezing at night. Miami, Florida! Where’d you say the glaciers are melting again? I want to go there.
– Anonymous FB
Cat Park
https://youtu.be/keZVMRhNipE?si=Sk-HUZIq-vJmUroN
https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money
https://www.cato.org/blog/solyndra-case-study-green-energy-cronyism-failure-central-planning
“Solyndra’s strongest political connection was to George Kaiser, a Democratic fundraiser and oil industry billionaire who had once hosted Obama at his home in Oklahoma. Kaiser’s family foundation owned more than a third of the solar panel company, and Kaiser took a direct interest in its operations.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/solyndra-politics-infused-obama-energy-programs/2011/12/14/gIQA4HllHP_story.html
from 2019
https://theconversation.com/the-revolving-door-between-media-and-government-spins-again-with-cnns-hiring-of-sarah-isgur-flores-112159
@Peloni Comment disappeared.
The legacy capitalist and Socialist/Communist, not that there is such a big difference, media has been promoting the man-made global warming hypothesis in lockstep. As for profit, there has been a revolving door between media and government and remember some of the boondogles like the solar company that Obama’s administration funded which benefited his relatives although it failed? Can’t finf anything about his relatives now? Might have been an electric car subsidy hat failed on that. I remember that. Must have been scrubbed from the internet.
Dreuveni
Global Warming is a matter of physics
It is a physical phenomenon
It can be and is a matter of measurements and also observations
The promotion of Denial of Science is the realm of the capitalist media which defends it’s system because the Media lives off that system
The Russian tundra is melting
The Arctic and Antarctica melts – most extremely so of any other
The extreme mountain ranges are melting everywhere with existence significance for billions
The effects of heating on land and ocean for animals and fishes is serious
The article being discussed is a climate change denial article in every way, source and method. A small piece of s glacier in the arctic freezes as it meets the sea. In the year 2019.. True facts about this glacier are hidden. It is a hideous way to deal with facts. This method will be carried over.
@fquigley
I am not denying global warming.
I am just saying that it is TEMPORARY and it will be followed by global cooling as sure as night follows day.
Besides, even the Ice Ages have never been truly global, so the planet doesn’t warm up or cool down evenly all over.
@fquigley, there are lots of panic generating articles and comments, but one comment is 100% right- everyone concentrates on the story in the news. A while back I read that glaciers in northern Siberia have been growing a lot, but that doesn’t fit the favorite narrative of global climate change. The whole story is a hoax and not worthy of your time or mine.
Te one glacier seems to have been singled out as te criterion; it was melting rapidly which seemed to please environment tree huggers but now, when rapidly regrowing at the same rate as the deterioration, seems not to make them happy that disaster foretold would no be averted.
STRANGE….!!
OK. Serious response. Found this:
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/false-alarm-over-retreat-himalayan-glaciers
3,000 years? OMG. Will I even have time to finish my coffee? What is to be done?
😀 No. We are commisars eminently qualified in every subject, even glaciology. If Israpundits don’t have the answer, the galaxy is doomed, doomed. {ominous, eerie music, fade to black, End Act One }
Sebastien Edgar and Reader
Are the earth glaciers melting or not?
Surely we can research this and reach a definitive answer. If that cannot be done by the people on this site can anything be done?
Here’s another scientific theory: Maybe, inspired by Trump’s interest and the prospect of Greenland being annexed by the U.S., the glacier decided to take a cue from Dame Mae West and grow again?
“Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?”
Do the math. Follow the science. Do your homework or no cookies and milk for you.
Reader and Edgar
This is the central point of this article which was submitted for discussion on Israpundit
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““A natural cyclical cooling of North Atlantic waters likely caused the glacier to reverse course, said study lead author Ala Khazendar, a NASA glaciologist on the Oceans Melting Greenland project,” the AP reported. “The water in Disko Bay, where Jakobshavn hits the ocean, is about 3.6 degrees cooler than a few years ago.”
Sticking to the article I read around this and found that scientists had carried out a measure of the temperature. It mentioned 80 metres down.
So the part of the glacier hitting the water freezes.
The article as a whole denied the science of Global Warming
The original point I was making is that all the earth glaciers are melting. Causing great consternation.
Are you both and Keelie actually denying that fact.
READER-
I’ve been repeating the same thing over and over for years, with no visible effect on other posters. CYCLIC Is positive. I never mentioned size od Sun V earth but discussed SUBSPOTS as indicators on influence,
Even just the other day I reiterated CYCLIC.and that the present issue is only a tiny blip on a multi million years scale.
I once saw an illustration of this by using a plank see-saw fashion, and it showed conclusively that today-s issue is a mere blip. You may recall it, very clever and clear to all.
Yet the issue keeps raging on. and on, and ON……..
Reader… Exactly…
I hate to repeat the same thing over and over again – that planetary warming and cooling come and go in cycles, however, here is some very interesting info which shows who, or, rather, what is in charge of those warming and cooling cycles,
NAMELY – THE SUN:
Plus, there is such a phenomenon as the Earth’s magnetic poles reversal which is always sudden and extremely destructive – but nobody ever talks about it because this phenomenon obviously cannot be politicized.
Felix, as soon as you (or anyone else) can answer the question about how the last Ice-age began (ie: what caused it) I will start to listen.
Time for you to start to read up on your Astrophysics…
A great quote for the day. “Perspective is based on perception”.
Sebastien Zorn
“Frauds: Scientists Now Say It’s a Problem That Shrinking Glacier Is Finally Growing”
You are quoting from CONSERVATIVE TRIBUNE ‘
But it is being fraudulent rather than climate science being fraudulent
This glacier cannot be said to be growing because it is melting. The misconception arises because there is ignorance about the effects of CURRENTS.
So this is a massive glacier, really massive, and it is FREEZING AFRESH only at the tiny point where it is meeting the sea whose temperature is colder due, it is hypothesised, because of a current.
And/But the massive glacier continues to melt
Sebastien Zorn makes these mistakes
He relies for information on what the science denial site presents.
There are enough clues presented by science IN THE ARTICLE but he is not prepared to follow up by doing his own investigation.
This ends up as disinformation
“This seems a bit like a shell game. When there appears to be a cooling pattern, it’s cyclical and natural; when there’s a warming pattern, it’s all the fault of humans and we need massive government takeovers to stop it.”
That sums up the matter: “Climate Change” is political BS