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  4. “There are unknown unknowns” is a phrase from a response United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld gave to a question at a U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) news briefing on February 12, 2002, about the lack of evidence linking the government of Iraq with the supply of weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups.[1] Rumsfeld stated:

    Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones.[1]

    The statement became the subject of much commentary. In The Decision Book, author Mikael Krogerus[2] refers to it as the “Rumsfeld matrix”.[3] The statement also features in a 2013 documentary film, The Unknown Known, directed by Errol Morris.[4]

    Known unknowns refers to “risks you are aware of, such as canceled flights”,[5] whereas unknown unknowns are risks that come from situations that are so unexpected that they would not be considered.

    Origins
    Rumsfeld’s statement brought attention to the concepts of known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, but national security and intelligence professionals have long used an analysis technique referred to as the Johari window. The idea of unknown unknowns was created in 1955 by two American psychologists, Joseph Luft and Harrington Ingham in their development of the Johari window. They used it as a technique to help people better understand their relationship with themselves as well as others.

    The term was also commonly used inside NASA.[6] Rumsfeld cited NASA administrator William Graham in his memoir; he wrote that he had first heard “a variant of the phrase” from Graham when they served together on the Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States during the late 1990s.[7] Kirk Borne, an astrophysicist who was employed as a data scientist at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center at the time, said in an April 2013 TED talk that he had used the phrase “unknown unknowns” in a talk to personnel at the Homeland Security Transition Planning Office a few days prior to Rumsfeld’s remarks, and speculated that the term may have percolated up to Rumsfeld and other high-ranking officials in the Defense Department.[8]

    The terms “known unknowns” and “unknown unknowns” are often used in project management and strategic planning[9] circles.

    Contemporary usage is largely consistent with the earliest known usages. For example, the term was used in evidence given to the British Columbia Royal Commission of Inquiry into Uranium Mining in 1979:

    Site conditions always pose unknowns, or uncertainties, which may become known during construction or operation to the detriment of the facility and possibly lead to damage of the environment or endanger public health and safety. The risk posed by unknowns is somewhat dependent on the nature of the unknown relative to past experience. This has led me to classify unknowns into one of the following two types: 1. known unknowns (expected or foreseeable conditions), which can be reasonably anticipated but not quantified based on past experience as exemplified by case histories (in Appendix A) and 2. Unknown unknowns (unexpected or unforeseeable conditions), which pose a potentially greater risk simply because they cannot be anticipated based on past experience or investigation. Known unknowns result from recognized but poorly understood phenomena. On the other hand, unknown unknowns are phenomena which cannot be expected because there has been no prior experience or theoretical basis for expecting the phenomena.[10]

    The term also appeared in a 1982 New Yorker article on the aerospace industry, which cites the example of metal fatigue, the cause of crashes in de Havilland Comet airliners in the 1950s.[11]

    Reaction
    Canadian columnist Mark Steyn called it “in fact a brilliant distillation of quite a complex matter”.[12] Australian economist and blogger John Quiggin wrote: “Although the language may be tortured, the basic point is both valid and important.”[13]

    Psychoanalytic philosopher Slavoj Žižek says that beyond these three categories there is a fourth, the unknown known, that which one intentionally refuses to acknowledge that one knows: “If Rumsfeld thinks that the main dangers in the confrontation with Iraq were the ‘unknown unknowns’, that is, the threats from Saddam whose nature we cannot even suspect, then the Abu Ghraib scandal shows that the main dangers lie in the “unknown knowns”—the disavowed beliefs, suppositions and obscene practices we pretend not to know about, even though they form the background of our public values.”[14]

    German sociologists Christopher Daase and Oliver Kessler agreed that the cognitive frame for political practice may be determined by the relationship between “what we know, what we do not know, what we cannot know”, but stated that Rumsfeld left out “what we do not like to know”.[15]

    The event has been used in multiple books to discuss risk assessment.[4][16]

    Rumsfeld named his 2011 autobiography Known and Unknown: A Memoir. In the author’s note at the start of the book, he expressly acknowledges the source of his memoir’s title and mentions a few examples of his statement’s prominence.[17] The Unknown Known is the title of Errol Morris’s 2013 biographical documentary film about Rumsfeld.[18] In it, Rumsfeld initially defines “unknown knowns” as “the things you think you know, that it turns out you did not”, and toward the end of the film he defines the term as “things that you know, that you don’t know you know”.[19]

    Rumsfeld’s comment earned the 2003 Foot in Mouth Award from the British Plain English Campaign.

    Analytical sciences
    The term “known unknowns” has been applied to the identification of chemical substances using analytical chemistry approaches, specifically mass spectrometry. In many cases, an unknown to an investigator that is detected in an experiment is actually known in the chemical literature, a reference database, or an Internet resource. These types of compounds are termed “known unknowns”. The term was originally coined by Little et al.[20] and reported a number of times in the literature since then as a general approach.[21][22][23][24]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_unknown_unknowns#:~:text=Known%20unknowns%20result%20from%20recognized,basis%20for%20expecting%20the%20phenomena.

  5. Zen/Yogi Berra like insight out of the mouths of idiots. 40 years later, it just doesn’t sound so crazy, anymore.
    “Let me just tell you how thrilling it really is, and how, what a challenge it is, because in 1988 the question is whether we’re going forward to or whether we’re going to go past to the back! … That’s a Hoosierism. You’ve got to get used to that!”
    “I believe we are on an irreversible trend towards more freedom and democracy, but that could change.”
    “We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur.”
    “I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in L. A. My answer has been direct and simple. Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame. Yes, I can understand how people were shocked and outraged by the verdict in the Rodney King trial. But there is simply no excuse for the mayhem that followed.”
    “I believe that I’ve made good judgments in the past, and I think I’ve made good judgments in the future.”
    “We don’t want to go back to tomorrow, we want to move forward.”
    “The future will be better tomorrow.”
    “The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation’s history. [on followup] No, not our nation’s, but in World War II. I mean, we all lived in this century. I didn’t live in this century, but in this century’s history.”
    “I made a misstatement and I stand by all my misstatements.”
    – Dan Quayle

    – Dan Quayle Wikiquote

  6. Bibi is no more to blame than any of the other politicians who have been making foolish concessions to the Arabs for decades. The polls that say Israelis want Ganz make no sense as his record is even worse. This Yom Kippur invasion has the same cause as the last one. Somebody in charge of intelligence purposely disregarded the intelligence that was coming his, in this case, their, way, and not forwarding it to the leadership. I can’t find it now, but there was just an article saying that the surveillance operators were reporting unusual activity in detail for months and their superiors threatened them to be quiet or be brought up on charges. These same surveillance operators have been also punished by not providing homes for them to replace the ones that were destroyed. There are middle level traitors who have to be exposed. And whoever is behind them.

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  9. Survey shows substantial support for renewal of Jewish settlement in Gaza after war

    “Channel 12 releases further findings from a survey it carried out on November 15, showing considerable support for the renewal of Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip after the war. Israel withdrew unilaterally from Gaza to the pre-1967 lines in 2005, removing some 8,000 Jews from their homes in 21 settlements.

    Asked what should happen with Gaza at the end of the war, 32% of respondents said “Israel should remain permanently and renew Jewish settlement”; 30% said the enclave should be “given over to international trusteeship”; 14% said Israel should “maintain a permanent military presence”; 10% percent said it should be “handed over for rule by the Palestinian Authority”; and 14% said they did not know.

    The TV anchors said respondents were also asked to make a direct choice as to whether or not they favored a renewal of Jewish settlement in Gaza, and 44% said they were in favor, while 39% were against. This finding was not shown on screen, however.

    Asked whether their political stance has changed in the wake of the war, 53% said it had not changed; 36% said they had become more right-wing; 6% said they had become more left-wing; and 5% said they didn’t know.

    Asked what should happen in terms of Israel’s political leadership after the war, 58% said new elections should be held, 19% said the current coalition should remain in office, 13% said an alternative government headed by a Likud politician other than Benjamin Netanyahu should be formed, and 10% said they didn’t know.

    Findings from the survey broadcast on Thursday suggested that were elections to be held today, Netanyahu would be heavily defeated, with Benny Gantz’s National Unity party soaring.

    The survey was conducted among 502 respondents by pollster Mano Geva and Midgam, and had a 4.4% margin of error.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/survey-shows-substantial-support-for-renewal-of-jewish-settlement-in-gaza-after-war/

  13. In October, the CCP passed the “Patriotic Education Law,” requiring churches and religious groups to adapt their educational activities to promote the Communist Party’s official ideology.

    The new law states:

    The state is to guide and support religious groups, religious institutes, and religious activity sites in carrying out patriotic education activities, enhancing religious professionals’ and believers’ identification with the great motherland,
    Chinese Police Raid Christian Worship Service, Arrest 13 Believers

    the Chinese people, Chinese culture, the Chinese Communist Party, and socialism with Chinese characteristics.

    The law mandates that “all levels and types of school shall have patriotic education permeate the entire course of school education” and that even “the parents or other guardians of minors shall include love of the motherland in family education.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/11/18/chinese-police-raid-christian-worship-service-arrest-13-believers/

  14. Chinese Police Raid Christian Worship Service, Arrest 13 Believers

    https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/11/18/chinese-police-raid-christian-worship-service-arrest-13-believers/

    …In October, the CCP passed the “Patriotic Education Law,” requiring churches and religious groups to adapt their educational activities to promote the Communist Party’s official ideology.

    The new law states:

    The state is to guide and support religious groups, religious institutes, and religious activity sites in carrying out patriotic education activities, enhancing religious professionals’ and believers’ identification with the great motherland, the Chinese people, Chinese culture, the Chinese Communist Party, and socialism with Chinese characteristics.

    The law mandates that “all levels and types of school shall have patriotic education permeate the entire course of school education” and that even “the parents or other guardians of minors shall include love of the motherland in family education.”…

  15. This is what I wrote on jihadwatch

    “A really bad idea in every single respect. Israel has to arrange for all Arabs to leave and frankly they have to make their own way out. This area is part of Israel and only Jews can live there otherwise they cannot be safe FROM THE SCOURGE of Antisemitism. Does Spencer stand over this abomination of an article?”

    The article on jihadwatch really did anger me because Spencer has a big name on Jewish circles and yet his main writer was calling for giving up of this land which totally in every way is Israel and it also showed me just how inadequate is Netanyahu.

    Under that kind of leadership from jihadwatch of course their commenters followed that theme.

    The dominant political quality is his hatred of socialism… communism…reds and he talks.ALL THE TIME about leftists, and this term assists him in many ways

    So he takes the actions of the Antisemites in the left and advocates of so-called Palestinians as to label say me.

    He would like to but cannot so he simply stops my comment

    And anyway my comment was directly attacking Spencer.

    I will be writing to Spencer short and sharp.

    Why? He has no right to trade the land of Israel.

    Now to what Peloni says

    “Felix

    Spencer a friend of Israel
    Not at all

    I disagree with this. You may disagree with his political ideology, and of course you would given that he is not a Trotskyite, but to suggest that he is no friend of Israel is absurd in the extreme.”

    I certainly disagree with Spencer but as my comment made abundantly clear not as an abstract thing

    You see his total ideology has led Spencer to advise abandoning the land of Israel.

    We live in the present moment and the present moment is Spencer carrying out a gigantic betrayal

    1. He is for abandoning Gaza

    2. He attacks Trotskyism

    So Mr Peloni you now support exactly the above

    If you continue to characterise Spencer NOW as a friend of Israel

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  17. @Felix

    Spencer a friend of Israel
    Not at all

    I disagree with this. You may disagree with his political ideology, and of course you would given that he is not a Trotskyite, but to suggest that he is no friend of Israel is absurd in the extreme.

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  19. Not relevant except it is in the current JTA and it refutes the nonsense about the Soviet Union ever being a friend to the Jews except occasionally in speeches. Original article from 1928:

    Former leaders of Denikin’s pogrom bands, now holding posts in the local Soviets in Daghestan, are terrorizing the mountain Jews, writes J. Larin, Jewish leader, active in the work of the Ozet, in an article appearing in the “Pravda”, the government organ.

    The mountain Jews are in a terrible economic and political position, Larin writes. The authorities practice violece against them, assuming the character of massacres. The central government’s decisions to improve the position of the mountain Jews are blocked by the authorities who prevent the organization of Jewish Soviets where the Jews are settled in compact masses.

    The heads of the Daghestan Republic do not punish those who are guilty and reject all Jewish complaints. Larin cites the instance of the Jewish peasants’ delegate, Antiloff who was sent to Moscow to voice the complaints of the Jews. Upon his return to Daghestan he was arrested, but finally acquitted.

    Despite the 1926 pogrom in the capital, Machatchkala, and other towns following the spread of the ritual murder the spread of the ritual murder libel, the authorities did not change their hostile attitude to the Jews.

    https://www.jta.org/archive/remnants-of-denikin-pogrom-bands-terrorize-the-mountain-jews

    Isn’t Daghestan where the Muslims tried to find and kill Israeli passengers on a plane this past week?

  23. Hi, Sebastien & crew

    The latest in America:

    https://rumble.com/v3w3tg7-pro-hamas-protestors-attack-dc-on-lockdown-as-biden-bows-to-china-is-the-da.html

    Mention is made of Ben Shapiro’s off-mike stuff; but, come on! Protestors trying to take over DC are a little more important to us. Biden kowtowing to Xi Jinping is a little more important.

    Do you want to know which Jew ought to be listened to right now? It’s not Ben Shapiro. It’s Anthony Blinken. He’s telling us things, with his silence, that people need to listen intently to. Shapiro, on the other hand, IMHO, is a blabbermouth.

  29. @FelixQuigley

    I suppose we have to put up with this character

    I guess so.

    When someone accuses people of ad hominem attacks in a post which is almost 100% ad hominem attacks at the accused, there is really no other choice especially if the higher authority here allows it.

  32. Armenian Terrorists Set Synagogue on Fire in Yerevan
    By David Israel – 3 Kislev 5784 – November 16, 2023 0

    “The group Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) has claimed responsibility for an attack on a Jewish community center in the capital Yerevan, AzerNews reported on Thursday.

    The Mordechai Navi Synagogue at 23 Nar-Dos Street in Yerevan is the only Jewish place of worship in Armenia, headed by the Chief Rabbi of Armenia Gershon Burstein. It was established in June 2011, with financial assistance from Armenian businessman and renowned photographer David Galstyan.

    ‘It is estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Jews live in Armenia today, all of them in Yerevan. Most Armenian Jews today are Ashkenazi, with some from around the Caucasian mountains.

    In its statement following the attack, ASALA claimed that its “youth wing” had set the synagogue on fire, adding that they are not going to stop and that the next attack on the Jewish community would be carried out outside Armenia.

    The nearest country to Armenia with a thriving Jewish community is Azerbaijan, which shares a border and a long history of violence and war with Armenia.

    The ASALA was active in the 1970s through the 1990s, and its stated goal was “to compel the Turkish Government to acknowledge publicly its responsibility for the Armenian genocide in 1915, pay reparations, and cede territory for an Armenian homeland.” It was allied for a while with the PLO. At some point, its leaders were taken out by what appeared to be Turkish government secret agents. ASALA’s founder Hagop Hagopian was assassinated on a sidewalk in an affluent neighborhood in Athens, Greece on April 28, 1988. Assassinations of former members of ASALA continued into the late 1990s.

    The Bulgarian newspaper Sofia Globe reported that a Molotov cocktail was thrown On October 3 at the Mordechai Navi Synagogue and that the ASALA-Youth group was responsible. The group declared that the attack was meant to “take revenge on Israel and world Jewry for supporting Azerbaijan.”

    The group promised to take revenge on Jews, including in European countries: “If Jewish rabbis in the USA and Europe continue to support the Aliyev regime, we will continue to burn their synagogues in other countries. Every rabbi will be under our guns… We will start a war against Israeli Jews in Europe, America, Canada, and Georgia.”

    And that was the week before October 7, 2023.” embedded video.

    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/jewish-news/antisemitism-news/armenian-terrorists-set-synagogue-on-fire-in-yerevan/2023/11/16/

  33. @Sebastien
    I think that the idea of the UN allowing Israel on the UNSC is an impossible one. The UN was founded by the victors of WWII to hold their dominance over the world in perpetuity. Adding Israel to their number would be both counter to this influence of the Big five as well as unpopular with the adamently antisemitic nature of the UNGA.

    Beyond the opposition to the interests of both the Big five and the UNGA of having Israel placed on the UNSC, we have to look at the guiding principles upon which the UN was founded. It was an institution born from the lie that nationalism was the source of WWII. Consequently, its preferred antidote to this ‘problem’ is to break down nationalities and thereby increase the power and influence of the UN in place of the relative nationals sovereignties of the member states. This International Liberal Order directly contrasts with the strong national identity of a state which prides itself as being THE Jewish state. Despite the best efforts of the UN to the contrary over the years, the Israeli people have come to be more, not less, adamant with regards to their national identity.

    Hence the strong national identity of Israel in combination with national interests of both the Big Five and the UNGA members would preclude any attempt of pushing forward any affirmative action which would name Israel to the UNSC, even if the UNSC had any interest in supporting the interests of minority states, which it does not. It would be far more likely that the Arabs would gain such a position than Israel. Just my own opinion of course.

  34. @Felix and Reader You are rude and confused. We will leave it at that. You and Honeybee deserved the tongue lashing you got. Edgar got a shot in, as well, though I didn’t bother to reply. Your constant ad hominem attacks disqualify you from any consideration, whatsoever. You all deserve to have your feelings hurt so stop your incessant whining and take your medicine like men instead of mimophants. 😀

  35. An article on jihadwatch supporting other rubbish politics by Elder of Zion website is absolutely disastrous for Israel and places Jews in NEW danger. I put to Spencer this comment

    “A really bad idea in every single respect. Israel has to arrange for all Arabs to leave and frankly they have to make their own way out. This area is part of Israel and only Jews can live there otherwise they cannot be safe FROM THE SCOURGE of Antisemitism. Does Spencer stand over this abomination of an article?”

  36. Reader I suppose we have to put up with this character who a few days ago was attacking us even poor honeybee as being disloyal.

    He is crazily mixed up by his time in Stalinism with some Buddhism along the way

    You actually have understood his weakness perfectly

  37. @Sebastien Zorn

    I don’t understand what you are talking about and what all of this has to do with Trotsky.

    His ideas about transitional demands were directed precisely at wresting power from the capitalists and giving to workers, however, these ideas were not the kind of idiotic tricks that Cloward and Piven came up with to make the life of the poor better.

    Just because you call something a transitional demand doesn’t mean that it gives that something some kind of a magic power, or that your idea of a transitional demand is the same as everybody else’s.

    Trotsky explained that his transitional demands are a bridge between the minimal demands of the Social Democrats that were too weak and their maximal demands that they placed too far into the unknown future.

    They were actual steps, not some magic tricks designed to fool and overwhelm some government.

    However, he vastly overestimated the abilities and the intelligence of the workers and their leadership to implement these steps, and the history already moved forward and the time wasn’t right for his ideas, plus he lost most if not all of his followers.

  38. Just to say the key issue of state power. Ask what did the leadership of this theory carry out. They did seize by armed force the old state power away from Kerensky. How… understand this…there was a deep revolution in place. The workers had taken to the streets in a general strike spontaneously. That happened also in Dublin in the Dockers Strike of 1912 under Connolly and Jim Larkin. But in Dublin no revolutionary party existed. This WAS the key ingredient. And that WAS the enormous development that the Russian folk had made. They had achieved the “brain” of the Revolution, that which shook the world capitalist system to its very foundations. And that “brain” was also the physical party.

    You have got to the very kernel can I say, that which Allende could not, to give just one example of innumerable in history.

  41. @Reader You are missing the point, entirely. Forget the particular issues. As Alinsky put it, “the issue isn’t the issue, power is the issue.”
    What they advocate is transitional demands as opposed to minimal or maximal. They are demands that sound reformist but that can’t actually be achieved without overhauling the system and which arouse fighting consciousness in the masses.

    In the same spirit, we should, not the state of Israel, but supporters around the world, be demanding that Israel be a permanent member of the security council.

    All of these human rights laws that were ostensibly put in place so that what the Nazis did to the Jews would never be done again are being disregarded or distorted to persecute the Jewish state and the Jewish people.

    Israel needs to be free of the sword of Damocles continually held over her held of sanctions as Russia, China, Europe and the U.S. always are. And Israel needs to be free of having to kowtow to the U.S., the EU, the UN or anybody else.

    It’s a transitional demand. And we should demand it!

  42. @Sebastien Zorn

    This is the way YOU interpret the text.

    Whatever he proposes has nothing to do with Cloward-Piven strategy, he wasn’t an idiot who wanted to rig the current system by playing some tricks with it in order to give the poor a guaranteed income.

    He wanted to replace the system with a fairer one (he stated that the free market had disappeared and was replaced by monopolistic capitalism) run by the working people and he suggested the measures that he thought would revive the working class and its leadership and make them work toward that goal.

    He refused to admit or to believe that the battle he and the Old Guard fought was lost and he overestimated the abilities and the intelligence of the masses.

    At that time everyone gave up on the revolution except for him, the people who pretended to be on his side told him things he wanted to hear but they were in reality planning his demise.

  44. @Reader Yes it the Fourth International advances a system of transitional demands, the essence of which is contained in the fact that ever more openly and decisively they will be directed against the very bases of the bourgeois regime. ”

    And earlier:

    “Classical Social Democracy, functioning in an epoch of progressive capitalism, divided its program into two parts independent of each other: the minimum program which limited itself to reforms within the framework of bourgeois society, and the maximum program which promised substitution of socialism for capitalism in the indefinite future. Between the minimum and the maximum program no bridge existed. And indeed Social Democracy has no need of such a bridge, since the word socialism is used only for holiday speechifying. The Comintern has set out to follow the path of Social Democracy in an epoch of decaying capitalism: when, in general, there can be no discussion of systematic social reforms and the raising of he masses’ living standards; when every serious demand of the proletariat and even every serious demand of the petty bourgeoisie inevitably reaches beyond the limits of capitalist property relations and of the bourgeois state.”

  45. @Reader Yes it does.

    “the Fourth International advances a system of transitional demands, the essence of which is contained in the fact that ever more openly and decisively they will be directed against the very bases of the bourgeois regime.

    and earlier: “Classical Social Democracy, functioning in an epoch of progressive capitalism, divided its program into two parts independent of each other: the minimum program which limited itself to reforms within the framework of bourgeois society, and the maximum program which promised substitution of socialism for capitalism in the indefinite future. Between the minimum and the maximum program no bridge existed. And indeed Social Democracy has no need of such a bridge, since the word socialism is used only for holiday speechifying. The Comintern has set out to follow the path of Social Democracy in an epoch of decaying capitalism: when, in general, there can be no discussion of systematic social reforms and the raising of he masses’ living standards; when every serious demand of the proletariat and even every serious demand of the petty bourgeoisie inevitably reaches beyond the limits of capitalist property relations and of the bourgeois state.”

    ibid

  46. @Sebastien Zorn

    It is not Felix, it is I

    who found it.

    It doesn’t say anywhere in the article that these demands are unrealizable, it is your own addition, to make the passage fit your thesis.

    Trotsky’s program had nothing to do with overwhelming the government bureaucracy or the welfare system, or the guaranteed annual income.

  48. @Felix “Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven “proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy.”[3]”

    “Cloward-Piven Strategy” – Wikipedia

  49. @Felix Good. You found it. Here the relevant passage which advocates making unrealizable demands under the present system to undermine the present system and awaken consciousness rather than allow minimal concessions to keep the masses asleep. Up to now, defenders of Israel have been on the defensive. This is only thing in this piece that is substantively different from the things Lenin and Stalin among otgee Marxist
    theorists advocated, and even Marx, himself.

    “The Fourth International does not discard the program of the old “minimal” demands to the degree to which these have preserved at least part of their vital forcefulness. Indefatigably, it defends the democratic rights and social conquests of the workers. But it carries on this day-to-day work within the framework of the correct actual, that is, revolutionary perspective. Insofar as the old, partial, “minimal” demands of the masses clash with the destructive and degrading tendencies of decadent capitalism – and this occurs at each step – the Fourth International advances a system of transitional demands, the essence of which is contained in the fact that ever more openly and decisively they will be directed against the very bases of the bourgeois regime. The old “minimal program” is superseded by the transitional program, the task of which lies in systematic mobilization of the masses for the proletarian revolution”

    ibid