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By Peloni

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The reason for this demand is so that people who want to read comments which pertain to the post, don’t have to wade through the chatter.

Everyone will be happier.

April 16, 2020 | 9,231 Comments »

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  4. Report: Russia fired at Israeli planes in Syria for first time…According to the report, the Russian battery launched several missiles into the air that did not pose a threat to the airplanes. There was also not a locking of the battery radar on the planes, but the article calls it a “precedent-setting event.”

    The article said that is unclear if it is a one-time event or if it signals a new Syrian policy by the Kremlin regarding Israel’s freedom to act against threats on the ground from the skies over Syria…”

    May 17, 2022

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/defense/1652723734-report-russia-fired-at-israeli-planes-in-syria-for-first-time

  5. @Peloni, I would not be surprised if the court abolished the law of gravity taking into consideration the hypothetical international precedent of Sir Isaac Newton not bothering to throw the proverbial apple up into the sky after having time-travelled to 125th St. and Broadway and waited for a bus in any direction, because instead of it coming back down, in a timely manner, if at all, he would have expected to see a glowing sign in the ether reading,

    15 munutes plus layover in terminal.

  6. @Sebastien

    Zelensky Cheers Israeli Supreme Court Ruling Lifting Cap on Ukrainian Refugees

    It should not surprise anyone that this undemocratic leader ruling over the ever increasingly undemocratic nation of Ukraine is not supportive of the undemocratic High Court making an undemocratic ruling in Israel.

  10. Guide Who Protected Jewish Youths Against Lynching Arabs near Ariel Reenacts Event for Police
    By David Israel – 4 Tammuz 5782 – July 3, 2022

    “…The detainee is married, the father of 3 children aged 3,5, and 6, and a Navy veteran who has no criminal record, was arrested last Wednesday afternoon, after arriving at the Ariel police to file a complaint about the attempted lynching he and a group of children had endured near the Ariel city fence. To his astonishment, he was arrested and transferred to the Shin Bet for questioning and was not allowed to see a lawyer.

    Eventually, the Shin Bet succumbed to public pressure and allowed the detainee to meet with his lawyer, Adi Keidar of the Honenu legal aid society, who later said about the meeting: “I was exposed to the deteriorating mental and physical condition of the detainee, and I was shocked to discover that he was in a very difficult mental and physical condition…”

    shttps://www.jewishpress.com/news/police-news/guide-who-protected-jewish-youths-against-lynching-arabs-near-ariel-reenacts-event-for-police/2022/07/03/

  11. Revolution: Knesset Passes Sa’ar’s Law Banning Fruit of a Poisonous Tree
    By David Israel – 2 Tammuz 5782 – July 1, 2022

    “…The law, initiated by Justice Minister Gideon Sa’ar, expands the discretion of the courts and the rule outlined in the case law regarding the disqualification of evidence, and provides that a judge may not accept a confession, an object, or any other evidence “if they are satisfied that the evidence was obtained unlawfully and that its admission at trial would infringe the right to a fair trial, with regard to the public interest in obtaining the evidence…”

    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/the-knesset/revolution-knesset-passes-saars-law-banning-fruit-of-a-poisonous-tree/2022/07/01/

  13. @Sebastien Zorn

    “revenge is a dish best eaten cold.”

    It is “best served cold”, actually, but I agree with you.

    BTW, I wrote my response to peloni before reading your comment about revenge.

    I think I would rather have apple sauce with my latkes but I don’t hate sour cream, either.

  14. @peloni

    One should always attempt to maintain one’s composure…
    antisemitism should be readily confronted, competently challenged, and thoroughly chastised with as much fervor and reason as can be mustered…
    we should not choose to cower from such an open challenge to defend ourselves

    Your argument is full of contradictions and it is based on a false premise that there are some (a minority) of all the humans who are “antisemites” and they are bad/stupid/misguided/poor/uneducated/etc., etc., and the rest of them are “good people” who don’t mind the Jews at all, especially if the Jews take care to fight against “antisemitism” and not let the rest of the good, naive, and trusting population be misled by the “antisemites” and their lies.

    I had colleagues who were openly antisemitic and, conventionally speaking, they were not bad people – they were good employees, good husbands, good fathers, good sons, good citizens, etc., they weren’t dumb, they just couldn’t stand Jews.

    Tell me, was Nazism the fault of the German Jews because they failed to fight against antisemitism hard enough?

    Was the Spanish inquisition the fault of the Spanish Jews because they failed to convince the Spanish population not to trust the antisemites in their midst?

    I don’t think I need to provide more examples of similar events.

    The Jewish ability to defend themselves is another delusion (unless we are talking about modern Israel through 1967 – and that was with a lot of God’s help).

    I wish all the Jewish money and effort that is being wasted on “fighting antisemitism” (which is perceived as the Jewish “lobbying” and trying to control the government and the people), on donations to non-Jewish charities, and on Tikkun Olam was put toward the real Jewish causes.

    To my mind, success is the best revenge, and for Jews success means surviving against all odds and remaining Jewish, and not getting hysterical and vengeful (uselessly because there is nothing we can do to get everyone to like us, or at least not to hate us).

    I think Jews are doing too much talking, writing of useless articles, and getting embarrassingly hysterical (which shows the underlying helplessness) when we are actually facing very serious threats to our existence (and I don’t mean Trump or Bibi not being reelected).

    I think Jews must quit living in denial and quit desperately doing anything and everything to rationalize this denial.

  15. @Reader I’m reminded of the phrase, “revenge is a dish best eaten cold.” How ro you prefer your lahkes, with apple sauce or sour cream? My morher likes both together. I’m a sour cream man, myself.

  16. @Reader

    just ignore them and do something Jewish, ale sonim af tzu lakhes.

    You can’t make people like you, and you can’t punish them for hating you, so don’t even try.
    …
    In my opinion, doing Jewish things is the best way to spite our enemies while getting angry at them makes them rejoice at your misery and at how
    skillfully they push your emotional buttons.

    I think it is actually very important to not ignore antisemitism. One should always attempt to maintain one’s composure and also preserving one’s moral foundations while undertaking such a task, but antisemitism should be readily confronted, competently challenged, and thoroughly chastised with as much fervor and reason as can be mustered. I do believe leaving such things unopposed is as misguided as leaving a forest fire to burn itself out, because with antisemitism, there is always fresh kindling available to be lit and a little responsiveness might preserve the underbrush from the flames of our haters.

    The fundamental goal of challenging antisemitism, however, is not about punishing them nor is it about making them like you – what a giddy thought. Rather there are a few advantages in taking antisemites to task. The first is about the vile rhetoric they share with others, which should not be left unopposed as a one sided debate. Giving as good as you get, and a bit more when possible should be the goal of such a task. Secondly, by facing these mental midgets, it changes you and those around you to espouse a sense of self reliance that actually demonstrates to those around us that we are worthy of the dignity of our claims, because our rhetoric is based in truth and facts, and theirs is based on distortions and lies. The simple act of challenging them, challenges you and far too often you have a greater understanding of the truths they wish to obscure than they have of the lies they wish to spread. Hence, entering such an undertaking makes you a stronger advocate and enables you to think faster, with more resilience and greater resolve and reaffirms the foundation of who you are as you defend it, and establishes a rapport with at least some of those who hear your words.

    Indeed, the potential of facing these story weavers and teasing apart their deceptions is a powerful tool and one that may result in many possibilities, but when entering into such a situation as this, there should be no expectation of doling out punishments or of being liked by anyone. As per the concept of punishing the spreaders of these false tales, openly facing our abusers and forcing them to stand their ground and competently explain their lies is actually the best punishment you could offer them. The goal should be to have our words heard, our truths understood and our abusers exposed for the libels they spread. Being liked is a shallow goal, and I would much prefer being capable of expressing myself clearly while sharing my own message, than being liked by anyone. Indeed, the goal I would seek, which is far more durable an attribute and a far more useful victory than being liked, is being respected, and not by our abusers, but by those whom they are trying to persuade with their defamations. Our ready response to such a contest is precisely what our abusers fear most, and it is this attribute alone for which they slander us and defile our heritage, and we should not choose to cower from such an open challenge to defend ourselves. Or such are my views on the matter.

  18. @Honey Unilever’s acquisition agreement of Ben & Jerry’s allowed the ice-cream company’s board to determine its “social mission,” while the parent company was responsible for its financial and operational decisions. Unilever sought a solution that would reverse the Israel boycott while keeping its commitment to the Ben & Jerry’s board in Vermont. The board is still free to maintain its political position against Israeli settlements, but it cannot stop Zinger from selling Ben & Jerry’s ice cream under the new agreement.

  20. @Sebastien Zorn

    wait, you think over 7/8 of the world is antisemitic?

    Of course, I do (and that includes the “antisemitic” Jews).

    The ones they count are the ones who cannot restrain themselves.

    Of course, most people you meet won’t strike you as antisemitic – they are not crazy enough to state so openly to every Jew they meet, although it is becoming more common, and there is really no need for it under the current conditions.

    Look at the Jewish history – it is amazing that the Jews actually manage to convince themselves that every holocaust they experience is the last one.

  21. @Sebastien Zorn

    Translation please?

    “Ale sonim af tzu lakhes” means “to spite all the enemies”.

    In my opinion, doing Jewish things is the best way to spite our enemies while getting angry at them makes them rejoice at your misery and at how
    skillfully they push your emotional buttons.

  22. @Sebastien

    US Presbyterian Church: Israel is apartheid state, creates Nakba Remembrance Day

    The Presbyterian Church that passed that overture was the Presbyterian Church in the United States(PCUSA) which is currently in schism with the Presbyterian Church in America(PCA). The former is a very liberal organization, and as such very hostile to Israel. The latter is very conservative and as such is very friendly towards Israel. I had a business colleague who was a Presbyterian from the conservative branch and she and I became very good friends over the years, and as such she did try to explain the situation of the Presbyterians on many an occaision. The history and the church organization is a bit complicated, really complicated to my eyes, but it has its roots in theology, locality, race relations, and politics, among other issues. I’ll take a pass on explaining it further by sharing this diagram to display the complexity of the situation, such as it is:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_America#/media/File:Presbyterian_Family_Connections.jpg
    In any event, there are many pro-Israel Presbyterians who have taken a very strong stand for Israel, including with regards to this recent overture. Here is an example of a response by just one Presbyterian group to the outrageous statement made by the PCUSA:
    https://www.pfmep.org/a-mockery/
    And I believe that the group which issued this statement condemning the PCUSA is either affiliated with the PCUSA or at least partially affiliated.
    As you can see it is not a simple statement of “we disagree” against the PCUSA’s overture but a very thorough examination explaining the wholly biased nature by which the statement was generated, and how it was . The PCUSA dose this quite frequently, with the last time being just this past winter as I recall.

    My good friend, Monica, passed away from cancer several years ago, but she was as good a friend to Israel as any that I have ever met.

    Just wanted to add some context to the outrageous actions taken by the PCUSA.

  23. @Honeybee

    Representative Andrew R. Garbarino of New York issued a statement in reaction to Unilever’s decision:
    “The BDS movement is intrinsically anti-Semitic and is in conflict with laws throughout the U.S., including here in New York State. Singling out and discriminating against the only Jewish state is despicable and not who we are as Americans. I applaud Unilever for taking action to correct Ben & Jerry’s disgraceful boycott of our friend and ally Israel and for standing firm against hate.”

  24. @Honeybee

    Last July, the ice cream company stated that it would no longer allow its products to be distributed to Israelis in the West Bank and east Jerusalem – this would effectively have boycotted all of Israel.
    The announcement from Ben and Jerrys’ parent company on Wednesday explained that Unilever sold all of its Ben and Jerry’s business interests in Israel to Avi Zinger, owner of licensee American Quality Products Ltd. Thus, the ice cream could be sold from the river to the sea without involving the Ben and Jerry’s America. As Ben and Jerry’s tweet explained, they “will no longer profit from Ben & Jerry’s in Israel.”

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-710775

  28. @Reader wait, you think over 7/8 of the world is antisemitic? This Haaretz article fron 2014 estimates over 1 quarter. Most of the people I have met did not strike me as antisemitic, non-Jews, anyway. Met a lot of self-hating Jews. Enough to not want to be around them (joke).

  30. @Sebastien Zorn

    RE: Presbyterians

    Don’t let your blood pressure rise over this.

    There are almost 7 billion antisemites in the world – just ignore them and do something Jewish, ale sonim af tzu lakhes.

    You can’t make people like you, and you can’t punish them for hating you, so don’t even try.

  36. @peloni

    Peloni: a shortage, similar to the baby formula shortage, rather than an increase in demand

    I mentioned this in my response to Honeybee in Chit Chat

    Reader: And then there will be a “birth control pill crisis” and a “condom crisis”, all caused by Putin’s aggression, of course.

    It can be understood either way.

    Thanks for your appreciation of my “foresight”, it was really full of sarcasm at the time because I never thought something like this would just pop up almost immediately.

  38. Cool Victory: Unilever Grants Ben & Jerry’s Israel the Right to Continue Selling in Jewish Settlements

    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/jewish-news/cool-victory-unilever-grants-ben-jerrys-israel-the-right-to-continue-selling-in-jewish-settlements/2022/06/29/

    “In the end, Unilever announced on Wednesday that it had sold its Ben & Jerry’s business interests in Israel to Zinger, owner of American Quality Products Ltd and the current Israeli licensee. Ben & Jerry’s ice cream will continue to be sold under its Hebrew and Arabic names throughout Israel, including Judea and Samaria.”

  39. @Reader

    Told ya.

    You did reference this, but my recollection of what you told us was that there would be a shortage, similar to the baby formula shortage, rather than an increase in demand. I can’t find your original statement, so perhaps I am wrong. In any event, it was a good call on your part, even if you were only referencing a maniacal effort to affect the existing supply as I recall your prediction.

  40. A “temporary” birth control pill crisis.

    Amazon places purchase limit on emergency contraceptive pills
    The court’s ruling led to a temporary spike in demand for over-the-counter emergency contraceptive pills, known as Plan B, which are taken within days of sexual intercourse    .
    By REUTERS
    Published: JUNE 28, 2022 23:43

    https://www.jpost.com/international/article-710661

    Told ya.

    Waiting for further developments.

    Well, as long as the manufacturers of contraceptives get to make money on this.

    There will be a spike in anti-anxiety medications to accompany the court’s ruling, I suspect.

  41. WHY IS ISRAEL TURNING INTO A BRITISH MANDATE (enabled by the FAKE right-wing)?!

    They are limiting aliyah by any and all means and then whine that there are no workers, and they need to ship in the PA Arabs and Moroccans(!) [Shaked], and give more employment opportunities to the Arab women to fill in the vacancies!!!

    Israel’s problem: Lots of jobs, not enough workers to fill them – analysis
    Unemployment is at a two-year low of 3.6%, about the same as in the United States but less than the 6.8% average in the European Union countries and the 5% rate in the OECD.
    By HERB KEINON
    Published: JUNE 28, 2022 19:56
    Updated: JUNE 28, 2022 22:50

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-710636

  44. @Honeybee

    I have a large house with few rooms.

    That’s different. What do you want, a letter or a number? Are they going to add upper and lower case and punctuation marks like for passwords at some point? Are you going to be prompted to change your gender frequently for security purposes? Will we be getting letters saying we might be eligible for compensation in class action suits for security breeches leading to gender theft? Can unique genders be copyrighted? Or would they be patented? Can an unlawfully appropriated gender be cancelled by a judge? Can a person have 2 or more genders simultaneously? If so, how many?

  46. @Reader Yes, I except for those who identify as non-or anti gender. Those who call for the two gender solution are considered outdated now, having served their purpose.

  47. @ Honey The science says that one can choose a different gender for each room in one’s house so the number of genders a person can identify would depend on how big one’s house – or tent – Or it depends on one’s medication