It should be noted that Bibi’s Bar Ilan speech was delivered in 2009 before this poll. In my mind, the biggest red herring is the promise that he won’t jeopardize our security. Bibi never tires of repeating his desire to maintain our security and he never makes any demand for land other than to reject negotiations based on ’67 lines plus swaps. His silence on our land demands is deafening. Not to mention his rejection of the Levy Report.
Neither the recognition or the assurances that our security hasn’t been jeopardized, should result in us ceding more land. Land comes first. We should demand all the land we want and also demand recognition and security. There should be no quid pro quo here. Ted Belman
By GIL HOFFMAN, JPOST Feb 25/14
The groups start what they call an “information and warning campaign” to inform public of what they believe is a tactical trick by Netanyahu.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has been emphasizing the need for the Palestinian Authority to recognize Israel as a Jewish state in order to win the support of Israelis for the creation of a Palestinian state, right-wing groups alleged Tuesday.
Mattot Arim and Professors for a Strong Israel, which is led by former MK Arye Eldad, have started what they call an “information and warning campaign” to inform the public of what they believe is a tactical trick by the prime minister.
The groups said they had credible evidence that Netanyahu’s push for a Jewish state came after a secret poll indicated that demanding the recognition of a Jewish state would neutralize opposition to territorial concessions.
“We are calling upon the people of Israel to ignore the smoke screen of recognition of a Jewish state and realize the real impending danger,” Mattot Arim spokeswoman Susie Dym said. “Your government – or parts of it – has agreed out of weakness to a huge evacuation and to form a terrorist state a bike ride away from Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Ben-Gurion Airport.”
The right-wing groups will meet with MKs and other influential figures to spread the message. The public information campaign will warn against paying anything for “terrorists purportedly recognizing our Jewishness.”
Eldad said Netanyahu had built up the Jewish state concept to show the public that he had received something from Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in return for Israel’s concessions.
He said the Likud MKs who believe Netanyahu is raising the issue to prevent the diplomatic talks from advancing are incorrect. He noted that Israel’s chief negotiator, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, has hinted the Palestinians will accept the demand in one way or another.
“Netanyahu is using the Jewish state issue to market concessions effectively to the Israeli Right and Center,” he said. “But in effect, the prime minister is actually abandoning us to the dangerous hands of Abbas.”
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Per your agreed source!
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164281#.Uy72tIV46So
In fact it is as I reported. Until our stern denunciation, the E-1 Muslim settlements remained and still remain in place.
I also insist on the facts about the two major Hebron properties illegally blocked away from their Jewish owners. And the repeated “promises” to build and then stopping that.
I am doubtful that Netanyahu really wants the E-1 Muslims occupiers removed. He is about to release more murderers and may well be using E-1 to distract attention.
@ Bear Klein:
Of course. I provided source of original news. And people has seen the Muslim’s settlements still in place, including flags. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
I am ready to travel there with you any time you want.
And please show us 300 units build to replace the 30 destroyed in Ulpana. Not “planned” 30, but built 300 as he promised.
Also evidence of Netanyahu having returned the two Jewish properties in Hebron to the Jews that own them.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Are you able to substantiate either of your claims?
First the authorization claim of the Arab settlement in E1.
Second the claim that the government said we will let the illegal settlement stand.
@ Bear Klein:
There is no bombshell. It is a routine example of Netanyahu’s deceitful action.
Research and contact A# 7 to obtain the original report dated s while back.
The government did not want the Moslem settlement at E-1 destroyed.
@ Bear Klein:
Netanyahu destroyed 30 housing units in Bet-El / Ulpana and promised to build 300 in their place. He did not deliver. Photos of the destruction and of the location that was supposed to be used for the new units were widely published.
I am glad that Bet-EL is otherwise, growing.
In passing, Weinstein, Netanyahu’s AG, is pushing to destroy homes in Migron as we speak.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
The above was taken from
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
I searched and could not find what you are talking about. I have been reading Arutz Sheva regularly including the article on illegal Arab construction in E1.
I have not found either the authorized Arab construction you claimed or your last claim about saying let it stand?
If you have a link please provide it because if it is a real and accurate story that would be a bombshell for many of us (lovers of the land of Israel).
@ Bear Klein:
Please use released information published at least on Arutz, (Channel), #7. The government, Netanyahu, declared that it does not seek to remove the Islamic settlement (s) on E1. The same government special police forces immediately removed Jewish settlements on E1 before that.
The facts about the same roving “2000” units being “authorized” and then stopped time and time again have been published just as repeatedly. Information is widespread. Find it. Netanyahu “promised” 300 units to replace the 30 apartments he destroyed in Bet-EL Ulpana area over a year ago The “300” never appeared.
Meanwhile also on record, two major housing units bought in Hebron by Jews and court approved have been blocked to the owners, Jews, by Netanyahu, Barak and now Ya’alon.
That after violently expelling the Jews from their homes there. Contact the Hebron Community Information Center. Bet Ha Shalom and Bet HaMachpelah. We visited both locations more than once.
Netanyahu is now busy preparing, if he can get away with it, the release of more Islamic murderers.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
If you the housing numbers built not authorized you should inform us why the secret? I have not researched this so if you have facts I for one am interested and of course sources of these facts, if available.
It would be interesting, thanks in advance for the information.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
I heard about illegal Arab construction that was shut down in E1. Is that what you are talking about or do you a definite reference that would validate the alleged authorized Arab building in E1?
US ‘disappointed’ at lack of apology from Ya’alon
Despite defense minister’s penitent call to Chuck Hagel, State Dept. still has concerns over Ya’alon’s ‘pattern of behavior’
bernard ross Said:
Israel should not let them anywhere near our facilities
@ Bear Klein:
Well, I beg to differ. The government allowed Arab settlement to be raised on E1 as published about a month ago.
I could care less about “planned”, “approved”. “commissioned” and other jingles used dozens times by Netanyahu just before committing one or more acts repugnant to our people.
How many homes have been built completely and sold or given to Jews in Y & S by Netanyahu in 2013 and 2014? We know precisely… But I prefer you tell the readers.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
No Arab construction is going on in E1.
Actually some more Jewish housing has been approved for Y&S. I think I read about 2000 units.
So that is good news!
@ bernard ross:
It sounds like the standard Netanyahu’s aggregate operating procedure of paper and palabra shuffling. I will jump up in joy if anyone can produce pictures of housing units in numbers being completed for Jewish occupation. Meanwhile, Netanyahu is officially allowing Arab construction everywhere including E1, not Jewish new construction that we have seen.
Several members of our family and extended group friends live in Efrat, Hebron, Sharaei Tiqwah, Kiriat Arba, Bet El. We visit them often.
We observed construction taking place on already started units which had been frozen by Netanyahu in person for years. One by one some are allowed to advance a bit.
We all know of at least two major housing units in Hebron blocked by Netanyahu against their Jewish certified owners. Bet HaShalom and Bet Hamachpelah.
I’ll be the first one to applaud if we see evidence of serious new construction and Netanyahu allowing the Jewish owners occupation of the two major housing units mentioned above.
Bear Klein Said:
I would be curious as to how many, what percentage, of BB’s approvals, tenders, announcements, etc have actually started construction since he began after olmert?
Good News
Bear Klein Said:
that he doesn’t mention land outside settlement blocks except in regards to withdrawals is an indication of his intention.
Bear Klein Said:
I read this article but I believe you missed important points and contradictions:
the date is just before the Israeli elections in early 2013 and Peace Now is known to fabricate facts against settlement. However, even from them there is this:
also there is what is considered DEEP by Peace Now I believe includes settlement blocks that will be kept for swaps.
Much of this article discusses announcements, approvals, bids, tenders many of which were announced in time with events like prisoner releases and election gimmicks. The question is how many of these announcements, etc. actually have translated into construction starts since this article? According to the same article he is lower than Olmert; in that case one must wonder why so many announcements that go nowhere?????
Bear Klein Said:
I expect a kicking of the can down the road because Abbas does not want a change of status that might depose him or lessen his perks but he would like some more land and prisoners to wave to his “electorate” Hence I expect this framework to give some of C near to high density pal cities so as to limit the location of their future expansion.
HMMM? where have I heard those areas mentioned before?
Is this a trial balloon for the framework?
@ bernard ross:
You may want to check out if they are accurate, if yes that was good news for Bibi’s tenure everyone is not aware of.
@ bernard ross:
“but no land beyond the major settlement blocks”
Bibi did not say this.
After Sharon’s betrayal people read everything into Bibi that he could do wrong, as it is fact that he will do it.
If he holds to his Bar Ilan speech in all actuality there will be no Pal State.
yamit82 Said:
It appears that Israel does not need to make further tests. this does not ban nukes.
yamit82 Said:
this is my approach to most political issues. words are released with an agenda that often conflicts with action. the only words I listen to tend to be signs indicating future action. E.g. I note there has been a lot of talk about a buffer zone along the syrian jordanian Israel border. there was also talk of a no fly zone and talk of jihaid leaders asking for Israels help. although Caspit infers that Israel is afraid of the Jihadis I think they prefer the local militias on the border because they cannot get the Golan and one of them indicated that if Israel helped they would give up the golan. I am wondering if Israel is easing into some support for a separate zone and being more overtly operative against assad.
yamit82 Said:
I found this apology very amusing. I think that Yaalon is sticking it to kerry /obama and then making the mandatory apology. doing the same thing again is a slap in the obama/kerry face and his “apology” does not take the sting away. I think Yaalon is doing it intentionally and saying he is not deterred from doing it but will issue apologies as required. I dont think he is being weak but being wily, playing the game but obviously unapologetic. He is building his credentials and constituency quite well.
bernard ross Said:
Sounds like BB spin to keep his right in line…. BB had always since he gave up Hebron been pro Palis State and anti right wing Likud. Discount his words and trace all his actions since his first term 1996-2000. The religious right along with Clinton brought BB down and out of politics for a few years….
BB is the skunk who gets even with his enemies real or perceived and he has many here and abroad…. He learned a lot from Sharon about keeping enemies close and always off balance. He is going to fire Danon if he doesn’t quit on his own.
Ya’alon is a weak wimp and he is BB’s most credible potential opponent within the Likud. Seems BB is safe from the likes of Ya’alon 🙁
Ya’alon apologizes for remarks disparaging the US, again
In a phone call with his American counterpart, defense minister says he had no intent to harm Israel-US relations
Russia warns West it may change its stance on Iran
Moscow says Crimea more important than negotiations surrounding Tehran’s nuclear program
Israel ‘probably’ next to ratify nuke test ban treaty — top official
Head of test ban treaty organization optimistic on visit to Jerusalem; Israeli sources ‘surprised we haven’t ratified it already’
Bear Klein Said:
but no land beyond the major settlement blocks.
Bear Klein Said:
I wonder why such threats do not become public?
@ bernard ross:
Bibi has stuck to his proclaimed security needs (Jordan Valley & demilitarized Pal state, unified Jerusalem) and end of conflict, no Pal refugees and recognition of Jewish State. I believe that he is not willing to bend on this. I also believe this was his method of balancing sounding reasonable with Obama and EU. I also believe that he does not believe Pals will accept his terms. Hence in the real world no PA state.
I am for Bennett’s positions almost identically. Bibi is the best we currently have that can be elected. That is why people like Bennett and Likud members against a PA state work with him.
Privately I have spoken to some very far right wing former Knesset members who publicly bash Bibi but in private they have said that early in Obama’s term he threatened to cut off Israel if Bibi did not go along with negotiating a PA state. So I believe he is making do the best he can for Israel from his viewpoint which is way different than a spectator at a football match.
@ bernard ross:
I wouldn’t hold a lot of stock in Boris distracting Obama and Kerry from their singular obsession with Israel.
Vinnie Said:
It appears to me that a final agreement is not attractive to any participant(Israel, Abbas, Hamas) and that everyone might have possibly agreed that it cannot go anywhere at this time. if that were the case we will see something resembling the status quo but giving the pals something more in C or B for now and kicking the can down the road. Possibly land near to their existing major populations centers which will allow their future development to be close in. The one thing that gives me the idea that it might be agreed to go nowhere is the release of prisoners. it is only in that scenario that it might have made sense: if this was a real negotiation then there is no incentive to pay to talk. Paying to agree to kick the can down the road would have required that Abbas be given something to wave to his constituents if the talks “fail” or they agree to kick the can down the road.
@ Yidvocate: I keep noticing that the detractors keep encountering new obstacles to confound them. The Crimea situation reminds me of the arab spring in the the arabs have been distracted from Israel during this perios and so far the “spring” has been good for Israel. Now Boris(vlad) is starting to distract the EU and Obama who are the main players seeking to swindle Israel of the land. Europe is getting slapped from within and without: economically, militarily by boris, internally by those they seek to foist on the Jews.
Vinnie Said:
it was a lead up to the Israeli election. it gave him right wing credentials without tkaing action.
Vinnie Said:
Proving that the Levy report has no value if it goes unimplemented.
Vinnie Said:
Drama is what rulers, and elites, do when they know it will take time for the street to swallow their bitter pills. The same goes for Abbas. Drama is what the streets need. Each player demonstrates n the drama that he is fighting for his constituents and cementing his hometown credentials. Afterwards everyone bitching will agree that no one could have fought harder and it was probably inevitable. Begin and sadat, nixon and china. also, if there are any agreements with the US they would need to be times to the US midterm election and 2016. Notice that the only fully agreed requirement has been 9 mos and now we are looking at an extension. Drama is required to show that an agreement is being hashed out with great dfficulty when it was already pre agreed. Vinnie Said:
Winston Churchill began the slide away from balfour and the beginning of the UK swindle of the the jewish people of the land of Israel which proceeds today.
Vinnie Said:
how has it confounded Obama; Kerry says its meaningless; Perhaps after a long drama abbas will recognize a lesser statement that will be acceptable and then touted as a great victory. I dont put much stock in these talks. whether they fail or reach agreement I beleive it was agreed before the talks started and the talks were to create drama and to remove the Israel pal issue from interfering with jihadi recruitment in Syria , lebanon and iraq. each party got something(GCC, US, Turkey,Pals, Israel,Egypt) for participating in the overall operation.
Vinnie Said:
I wouldnot be surprised if the jihadis that were assembled against Irans proxies by the GCC are part of those threats: the carrot of peace with the GCC and signing on to their current agenda or if the whole plan fails the GCC rapproches with Iran and the jihadis are turned on israel. So far the Jihadis of Syria have only attacked irans proxies.
I am wondering if the US was hoping for greater participation of israel to aid the GCC war against irans proxies.
@ bernard ross:
Sadly I believe you are correct in your analysis but do not fear. The Arabs will once again save us from ourselves just as they did in the case of Barak and Olmert.
G-d moves in mysterious ways!
Bear Klein Said:
If BB is who you think then he shouldn’t need to be influenced by those mentioned he would be expected to be in the forefront of seeking alt least as much of C as possible. However, BB selection of Livni for Justice indicates a tactic of blunting the settlement enterprise. It appears to me that BB sees himself closer to Lapid than to Bennett in terms of actual ACTION. He has never publicly disagreed with the statement that Jewish settlement in YS is illegal. this should be repeated often as detractors often repeat their mantra. I think BB has made clear that he will swap land in existing Israel for settlement blocks and agree to a 5-10 year withdrawal from the Jordan valley. I have never heard him say that he seeks to claim land in area C other than existing major blocks. He operates according to the principle of 67 lines with swaps. It is interesting that you beleive that BB needs pressure from the right to move him; I think you are right but I do not think his plan involves being moved. I believe he seeks an overall deal with all the Arab league and muslim nations plus a NObel. I believe he has accepted an arab presence in A & B and is willing to give away most of C except major existing blocks. I believe that he will cede some sort of presence in Jerusalem similar to a diplomatic compound or like the Jordanian Wakf.
First, I’ve heard a lot of pissing and moaning in these parts and elsewhere about how BB “ignores the Levy Report”…forgetting that it was BB himself who COMMISSIONED said report. Why did he bother to do this? He did this before the ’12 election, with the expectation that Romney would win, and then he was going to use the Levy Report as the basis of taking a much firmer stand with the backing of Romney. He had not counted on Obama & Co. rigging the election.
You can argue that BB should have taken a firm stand anyway. OK, a reasonable position. But we shouldn’t forget that the Levy Report is there because of BB’s initiative in the first place.
Whatever mistakes BB has made, I still find it hard to accept the argument that he has this “scheme” to sell out Israel in the end. If this were true, why didn’t he do so back in ’10 or ’11 and make things a lot easier on himself personally? Why all this drama?
There is this huge hole in MK Eldad’s theory about BB using the recognition issue as the sugar coating on the pill of justifying big concessions to the PA. If this were true, then it would follow logically that Obama would back BB on this issue and pressure Abbas accordingly. But since Obama is now retreating from his former position of backing BB on this matter – hey, ‘if you like your Jewish state, you can keep your Jewish state’ – there is NO WAY Abbas is going to concede on this issue. How can he if even the POTUS is now siding with him on dismissing BB’s insistence on the same as a ‘mistake’??
BB is a politician, first, last, and always. He is not a great, visionary leader. Israel’s ‘Winston Churchill’ he ain’t. And, it is hard to see who is among Israel’s contenders for leadership. Bennett, maybe? Hard to say. But BB operates within the world of what he perceives is politically possible from day to day, from month to month. He correctly saw the recognition issue as one that would confound Obama & Co., and it has worked well for the past three and a half years. Now, Obama, being the utter duplicitous liar that he is, with no moral floor, is trying to deny even the legitimacy of this issue.
BB’s weakness with respect to Obama (who deserves no respect), is that BB has a very hard time imagining Israel cut adrift from her strategic partnership with the U.S. This is what, I’m sure, Obama threatens BB with behind closed doors: “I’ll abandon you at the UN; and don’t even think about hitting Iran ‘cuz I’ll tip them off, or maybe I’ll intercept your strike force with my own assets in the area and make a huge mess of your operation. Don’t try me.” Now, I’m sure most of you here in this forum would give Obama the finger anyway. I know that’s what I’d like to do if I were in BB’s place. But I’m not. And none of you are, either.
I agree that BB cannot play shell games forever with Obama. That has been his strategy up to now. Trouble is, Obama clearly sees this and has anticipated this. He is going to make it very hard for BB to simply “wait him out”. At some point, probably very soon, like it or not, BB is going to have to stand up to Obama in a way that puts the U.S.-Israeli relationship at risk. This is going to be a scary time for all concerned. I’m sure G-d has some pretty serious consequences in store for a U.S. that is led by such an anti-Israel asshole. This past winter was just the beginning….
BB can lead the negotiations however ONLY the IL people MUST have the last word.
Israelis should thank the Palestinians for being even more stupid than several Israeli governments. How many times did they walk away from deals which would have given them land and legitimacy simply because of their Jew hatred? For the Palestinians to give up one iota of their hatred of Jews would be disaster for Israel.
@ beniyyar:
You are correct there is no current better alternative to Bibi. Just blasting him is counterproductive to achieving anything.
He needs to be influenced to do the things Bennett, Danon, Yaa’lon, and others in the Likud and Bayit Hayehudi are advocating. Ted is also correct we need to make a stand for our rights to the land not just security and take what we need (Area C, all settlements, what we need in Area B) and annex it.
I like Dr. Eldad a lot but his trouble as a politician has been he insults people he needs to work with politically in public. He also should have joined Bayit HaYehudi instead of ending out of the Knesset.
Not only must BB go, but the person who succeeds him must have impeccable Nationalist credentials. My choice for years has been
Moshe Feiglin but I could also see Napthali Bennett as an alternative.
@ beniyyar:
I know how you feel. Hard to get caught, is it?
The silly sing song of “they gave us” is also a past artifact. Garbage begets garbage.
The whole thing is a farce. Hey! I was for long part of the likud Central Committee and know each one of those pseudo right wingers in every detail.
These are di facts Benyyar.
Netanyahu has virtually closed Temple Mount to Jews. True or false?
Netanyahu has frozen construction in Y & S and little if any is changed on that. True or false?
Netanyahu “right” hand persons are Lapid, Livni, Weinstein and other such. Are those right wingers?
How many times has Netanyahu lied about construction? In E1 for example.
About Iran nuclear plans. (I am somewhat… 🙂 familiar with that as a former Senior Fellow Engineer US Department of Defense Programs…) Has you man done anything worthy of interest on that? Other than pointing fingers and making faces that is.
About the murderers he is releasing. Can you tell us something?
There is much more. He has to go.
Yeah right, Netanyahu is going to betray Israel and give everything to the Palestinians, what a steaming load of crap! These sorts of people brought down Shamir and gave us Rabin and Oslo, and Ehud Barak and the Intifada, these right wing clowns are despicable and evil, the wicked they do will punish Israel more than anything the Israeli Left or the Palestinians could ever do! NO decent Israel Jew should put up with their lies and deceptions for more than a second or two!
Nothing to add to the finally aware conclusions.
The problem is that the specimen is still in power. Denouncing maggots hardly ever stop them from doing their maggot thing.
Once the people acted and removed Netanyahu on short notice. It must be done again.
I have been saying this for a long time: when Abbas turns around and recognizes the Jewish state it will be touted as a victory and a major achievement; that way it will hardly be noticed that Israel gave away everything for the meaningless mouthing of a few words. BB must hold Israel in contempt for such a pretense; who would believe that Jews would be conned into giving everything for some meaningless words from a meaningless collective of liars.
Everything that BB does regarding land is appearances: He announces E1 and then does nothing; He announces developments within settlement blocks already known will be kept; He will swap land inside Israel to keep the major settlements; it will appear that he is holding the Jordan valley but he will give it away over time to Jordan and/or PA as part of a long term security deal to withdraw.
He has made a lot of noise about not freezing settlements but building only goes on in the major blocks, I believe, and the touted major increase over the prior year is because that year it was frozen so anything is a large increase.
BB is there to package the ultimate Jewish swindle to Israel and make them think it tastes good. BB will get the Nobel.
Netanyahu is playing with fire, asking for one only concession; recognition of a Jewish State. this will work until Abbas and gang smarten up, and call his bluff.
And then what??????????????
@ yamit82:
Well sadly it may not be their top Israeli vacation destination, but how can they ignore the impossible existential threat these territories pose to them in the hands of a pali-poser state. I get that to a secular, leftist Israeli weaned on Jewish history starting in 1948, Y&S are a burden they would happily unload but there is not even a pretense anymore that peace will result. So it comes down to empowering your enemy who is at war with you and surrendering vital strategic assets. It’s suicidal, plain and simple. Even if Abbas was entirely on side on recognition and promised to turn a new leaf, a real “reset” with the Israeli cousins, it would take several generations of denazification before you could even discuss a peace process. And then there is Hamas. Peace is not a piece of paper.
Yidvocate
People of Israel like people anywhere else vote on their perceptions of what is in their own interests.
Most people in Israel have little to no attachment to the territories and the Golan has polled higher in polls than Jerusalem as to which one Israelis feel closer attachment. Israelis visit and love the Golan, Not that many visit Jerusalem and very few Israelis visit the the territories of Y&S. Most Israelis are more familiar with European capitals and resorts in Turkey than they are with Y&S.
So in the end it boils down to what they believe will bring security.
@ Yidvocate:
Read your comment. Very grudgingly I admit that you most certainly have a point.
Then, I start to wonder… It is impossible that what seems so obvious (to the readers of ip anyway) is not obvious to the very ones concerned….
But then, nowhere do we see any signs of massive demonstrations against these abominations…
Wait!!! There was a massive demonstration… But for different reasons… And by very different players…
And in this catch -22, Smiegel – like, self questioning, there are no satisfactory answers…
Yhieh b’seder…. I guess… I hope
We have heard numerous debates and interviews in which people do not understand the requirement that Abbas and the PA and Hamas tell their children that Israel is a Jewish state. It will not happen. People say: “We do not need Arabs to tell us what kind of state Israel is!” That is precisely not the point. Abbas and the PA must inform their children and all others in the Arab community that Israel is a Jewish State. That will not happen!
What they tell Obama or Livni or the UN or Putin or the EU is irrelevant!
Abbas reaffirms refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Abbas-reaffirms-refusal-to-recognize-Israel-as-a-Jewish-state-337854
Referring to Israeli demands to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Abbas said, “This is a story that we have heard only in the last two years. We won’t recognize and accept the Jewishness of Israel. We have many excuses and reasons that prevent us from doing so.”
If the people of Israel are truly ready to cut their own throats simply by Abbas mouthing the sought after words, they deserve their fate!
The duplicity of the pali-posers and their singular national aspiration, our destruction, has been amply demonstrated over decades. If the Jews can believe that the leopard has lost it’s spots overnight, they deserve their fate!
People who can belief that children weaned on hatred of the Jew for generations and mothers who hold as the greatest aspiration for their children is to kill themselves as long as they take a few Jews with them, will now turn their swords into plow shears, deserve their fate!
A state that gullible or desperate deserves its fate!