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March 7, 2016 | 75 Comments »

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  3. Laura Said:

    How did we go from the Tea Party ideals of limited government and individual liberty to wanting to nominate an authoritorian dictator?

    …….perhaps this will help:

    ‘The American People Have Figured Out They’ve Been Screwed’ By Free Trade

    he chalked up the win for Trump based on the trade issue, which Caddell described as a “stunner” when he recently polled voters on the issues important to them. He said that poll showed “Republicans, and independents following Republicans, even more than Democrats are anti-free-trade… or, I should say, they have had it with trade deals, just as they’ve had it with the Washington establishment.”

    “What’s happening is, the economic anxiety – the tremendous alienation that exists, and the concerns about national security, and particularly China – are all fueling this nexus issue,…..

    He cited one particular question from his poll, which found 72 percent agreement with the proposition that “the same people who have been rigging the rules in politics have been rigging the rules for their own benefit.”

    He argued that the press has fundamentally misunderstood the Trump phenomenon all along, because they think Trump’s personality and celebrity shifted GOP voters’ positions on issues like free trade and immigration, when in truth Trump was tapping into a “free-floating anxiety” about economics, and sense of “political alienation,” which had been building in those voters for years.

    “The ‘independent variable’ is the American people who are driving the election, and Donald Trump is the dependent variable,” Caddell declared. “He has been the vehicle closest, for many, many Republicans – despite all of the other problems – substantively, on the issue, and it is economic nationalism.”

    He advised other Republican candidates not to shy away from this “economic nationalism” concept, as fully 75 percent of their voters are behind it, and it’s also a major component of Bernie Sanders’ success on the Democrat side.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/11/pat-caddell-the-american-people-have-figured-out-theyve-been-screwed-by-free-trade/

  6. @ bernard ross:
    After trump compared him to a pedophile and mentally ill. I’m disappointed Carson lacks such self respect. Obviously he has endorsed drumpf for the same reason Sarah Palin whored herself to trump even after making speeches condemning crony capitalism. He was offered a position.

  7. How did we go from the Tea Party ideals of limited government and individual liberty to wanting to nominate an authoritorian dictator? Apparently the Tea Party movement is dead. The GOP now has its own narcissist and meglomaniacal tyrant to match Obama. I have come to loathe trump, he’s a thug and his cult following act like brownshirts. But that is the nature of mob movements.

  10. @ Bear Klein:
    the rebuttal from babushka says it all
    however, you should stop posting fluff articles like this which pretend to give evidence of something by posting some facts and figures. However, if you actually start to read it carefully, as I did, you can quickly see that the facts and figures are so vague and noncommital that they become proof of nothing. When you begin to notice all the sales marketing statements pushing for an approval of TPA/TPP it becomes obvious that your article is just a fluff marketing job obviously made by a representative of the establishment which sent out all the jobs. Why do you keep posting opinions from folks with an axe to grind. Dont you actually read the details of what you post?
    Bear Klein Said:

    Thanks to a new wave of investment, innovation and optimism,

    rubbish, no support for this
    Bear Klein Said:

    manufacturers in the United States are experiencing a renaissance.

    more rubbish, look at the figures… DUH a renaissance, really?
    Bear Klein Said:

    sustaining this momentum hinges upon growing the manufacturing sector’s ability to compete in the global marketplace.

    😛 😛 😛 😛
    it did not take long to get to the “bottom line”
    Bear Klein Said:

    the largest job gains in manufacturing have come in sectors that sell their products overseas.

    a meaningless statement… if the local market did not add one dollar or one job in gains then a gain of one dollar or one job in the export market would make it the largest gain.

    Bear Klein Said:

    Overall, the United States exports about 55 percent of its manufacturing output,

    subcode… so many jobs have been lost in the local market due to imports that it has raised massively the ratio of export jobs to local jobs.

    I could go on and on as almost every sentence contains deception and red herrings. If you spend your time similarly I am sure you will see what is transparent regardless of political affiliations or desires. Amusingly the article clearly states that our tariffs are low and almost non existent with those who bar us from their markets… in stead of advising dealing with the problem of imports it seems to advise a policy based solely on increasing exports…. LOL, that is the mantra of those who shipped out the jobs, fired american workers to replace them with cheaper foreign imports…. only a sucker would buy an ice cream from such folks

  11. babushka Said:

    Jay Timmons speaketh with forked tongue:

    http://image.slidesharecdn.com/manufacturingintheuscharts-151023145257-lva1-app6891/95/ed-monser-mfg-day-15-speech-ranken-technical-college-2-638.jpg?cb=1445612368

    excellent and sufficient rebuttal… submitting evidence completely annihilating all the BS fluff in that article. I like your style.. it is almost Trumplike in its bottom line simplicity.

    INterestingly it is clear that the massive downturn in Jobs began at the outset of the Reagan admin and from 1980 the major drops in jobs occur under reagan, HW bush, and dubya bush… the dubya bush being incredibly massive.

  12. Keli-A Said:

    Trump is right but not very smart. He knows Islam is the problem probably intuitively but a quick tutorial on Islam would have given him the data to argue his case from real unimpeachable historical data.

    actually I think he does not care about arguing the case or convincing others. He does not pre prepare his statements, speaks off the cuff and condenses his conclusions into simple one liners. That is the hallmark of a successful businessman who only needs to convince his investors and who only gives the “bottom line”

    People in business often just say “give me the bottom line”.. that is what Trump is used to and that is what he does… unlike a politician who endlessly wordsmiths and still arrives at a BS PC bottom line.
    “ban muslim immigration until we figure it out”
    I defy anyone to come up with something better that will actually work to solve the problem if implemented.
    On Israel:
    “one side bring up their children with hatred which will probably make a deal impossible, and that’s ok… a deal does not have to be made”
    I defy anyone to arrive at that accurate, overriding reality that no one speaks about and no one offers the right solution in the Israeli gov. The politicians will not say muslim, just like BB will not say jewish settlement is legitimate and legal.
    I prefer someone who has good judgement with few facts as the facts needed for good judgement in Israels scenario are few. Trump gets it better than everyone else… the rest have to hide what they say… and thus get nowhere.
    He is not stupid, he speaks like a typical successful business man in “bottom line” conclusions which he will then use as the basis for his next step. I like that he does not waste time trying to convince people… that time is needed to get things done, not talking.

  14. Free Trade Does Not Cost American Jobs

    Thanks to a new wave of investment, innovation and optimism, manufacturers in the United States are experiencing a renaissance. But sustaining this momentum hinges upon growing the manufacturing sector’s ability to compete in the global marketplace.

    Last year, U.S.-manufactured exports topped $1.4 trillion, an all-time high, and the largest job gains in manufacturing have come in sectors that sell their products overseas. Exports now support more than 6 million manufacturing jobs across the country, as well as higher-paying jobs for an increasingly educated and diverse workforce.

    Overall, the United States exports about 55 percent of its manufacturing output, with smaller manufacturers, many of them family-owned, accounting for more than 96 percent of all U.S. exporters.

    Regrettably, export growth has slowed, dampening the demand for U.S. products. As a result, market-opening trade agreements that reduce artificial trade barriers, lower costs and broaden opportunities for American products become even more critical.

    The U.S. remains largely open to the world, and manufacturers in the United States compete every day with overseas companies to sell their goods here at home. The U.S. has the lowest tariffs on manufactured goods of any G-20 country, and more than two-thirds of all manufactured-goods imports enter the U.S. duty-free.

    But manufacturers in the United States face a very different situation abroad.

    America’s access to global markets has largely been made possible by a series of trade agreements with countries such as Canada, Mexico, Chile and Australia. Taken together, America’s 20 existing trade agreement partners buy 13 times more manufactured goods from the United States than other countries.

    Unfortunately, in countries where no such agreements exist, manufacturers in the United States face unfair trading practices, restrictive tariffs, cumbersome custom regulations and threats to intellectual property rights.

    In Asian countries where the United States does not have free trade agreements, for example, U.S. manufacturers face tariffs as high as 83 percent on automotive products, 70 percent on machinery and capital equipment, and 30 percent or more on chemicals, health and medical equipment and infrastructure products.

    Notable is the fact that America enjoys a $55 billion trade surplus with its trade agreement partners, compared with a $579 billion deficit with countries where such agreements are lacking. There is tremendous potential to be gained by lowering the barriers abroad for manufacturers by negotiating new trade agreements.

    Too many people, however, still subscribe to the myth that free trade agreements result in job losses.

    The economic impact of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) remains a topic of debate two decades after it was ratified. But the official government numbers tell the truth: Manufacturing jobs actually grew by about 800,000 in the four years directly following NAFTA.

    The reality is that protectionist policies do not work, and free trade does not kill jobs. It grows jobs and expands opportunities for manufacturers in the United States.

    Time and again, history demonstrates that, when other countries lower tariffs, it makes our exports more competitive, gives us access to new markets, boosts demand for our products, increases jobs and drives economic growth.

    For this reason, more than 75 manufacturing groups in industries throughout the sector wholeheartedly support the enactment of bipartisan trade promotion authority (TPA) legislation recently introduced in Congress.

    TPA is a proven tool and partnership established between the executive branch and Congress. It is essential to conclude and implement promising trade agreements that provide access to new markets, level the playing field abroad and support good-paying jobs here at home.

    Our manufacturing achievements today are dwarfed by tomorrow’s untapped possibilities. To achieve those possibilities, we need better access to the 95 percent of the world’s population and the more than 70 percent of the world’s purchasing power beyond our borders. TPA is what Congress needs to approve to help us achieve that.

    It is time for manufacturers to rally around this important cause and take this message of jobs, growth and economic opportunity all the way to Washington.

    Jay Timmons is president and CEO and Chad Moutray is chief economist of the National Association of Manufacturers.

  15. @ bernard ross:

    Trump is right but not very smart. He knows Islam is the problem probably intuitively but a quick tutorial on Islam would have given him the data to argue his case from real unimpeachable historical data. The so called Laws of war must be updated to take into consideration asymmetrical warfare (terrorism but one example) in worst case there is always Oppps we made a mistake or just declaring unavoidable collateral damage!! (sorry about that couldn’t help it or we didn’t know the SOB, family was with him???)

    I think he has good insticts but seems to refuse to update himself on details….. a few hours of just learning the outlines of Islamic history would go a long way to making him look more presidential and defect much of the criticism he seems to attract. Islam is a supersessionist creed…Islamic Supersessionism

    Islam like Christianity faces a similar theological need to explain away Jewish “chosenness.” But unlike Christianity, the Muslim displacement theory does not base itself on being the “New Israel;” instead, it recasts the Jewish prophets as Muslims by creating a direct link with Ishmael, the son of Abraham, the “first Muslim” according to the Qur’an. As the early Christians had done before him, Muhammad started his campaign with a conscious effort to bring the Jews within the fold of Islam. Muhammad accepted the Jewish G-d and prophets and many Jewish practices, including initially the orientation of prayers toward Jerusalem.

    In the Qur’an Muhammad refers to the Jews as the “Chosen People” and to the Land of Israel as their “Promised Land.” The Qur’an acknowledges the Jews’ covenant with G-d: “O Children of Israel! Remember my favor which I bestowed upon you and that I exalted you above all people.” In particular it exhorts the Children of Israel regarding the Land of Israel, telling them to “dwell securely in the Promised Land.” Needless to say, given the contemporary Arab campaign to deny any Jewish links to the Land of Israel, this and similar comments about the Jews and their land are nowhere to be found in the rhetoric of today’s Muslim or Arab leaders.

    After realizing that the Jews were not going to join his new version of Judaism, Muhammad proceeded to establish a separate religion. From that point on relations with his Jewish neighbors deteriorated quickly, and after declaring that Mecca, not Jerusalem, was the holy city, in 628 CE Muhammad attacked the Jewish tribes, dispossessing, enslaving, exiling, and massacring them.

    Sura 5 of the Qur’an presents the Muslim doctrine of supersession, and the commentators explain that Islam remedies “the backsliding of the Jews and Christians from their pure religions to which the coping stone was placed by Islam.” What follows is referred to by traditional Islamic commentary as “the memorable declaration” (5:3): “This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” The verse puts it bluntly: the favor of Allah, which went initially to the Jews, has moved in its perfected form to Islam.

  18. Keli-A Said:

    You mean Laura and Babsie?

    Claro que si ducito, nuestras mujares son muy inteligente todas. I am address you in Spanish,in you English hasn’t returned, after your encarelmente in the Chisos Mtns.

  22. Bear Klein Said:

    Bernie Sanders is also against trade.

    if that were true would you offer that as some sort of argument… like I should be afraid of facts because a socialist came to the same conclusion. Oh, and you are wrong, he is not against “trade” he is agianst the beggaring of our population through unbalanced, unfair treaties rammed down out throat accompanied by the great lie of “low prices”… a complete BS story that mistakes a retail price for an actual cost. the actual costs of the product are much higher because they dont factor in the exchange rate subsidy and the actual cost to america is much higher because the citizen is left with the dislocation costs of unemployment, welfare, high costs to rebuild hijacked plant, loss of taxes on imports, loss of taxes that would occur from recirculated money now sent abroad, lost jobs with their lost income taxes, lost duties, etc etc etc. It is only to the multi nationals supplier that the costs are lower… they escape the true cost which was before contained in tariffs,…. not for punitive reasons but to cover the real costs of substituting imports for local production.
    Bear Klein Said:

    export and import creates millions of jobs and provides lower prices.

    rubbish, this is superficial parroting of generic theories irrelevant because there is no such thing as an international free market. Furthermore, millions of jobs have been lost since opening to China with the WTO… DUH… both from lost export markets to china and by lost production locally. Substituting imports for exports means lost jobs, lost taxes, lost recirculated profits. The proof of the pudding is that since this regimen began america has gone down the economic drain. The economists knew that this was an inevitable outcome but did not inform the public of the real costs to our nation.
    Bear Klein Said:

    Start big barriers such as a 35% tariff certainly prices will rise, jobs will be lost and a new recession will be created.

    Not at all, as america produces almost all of its needs the opposite will occur. The retooling of american and the capital investment of the rebuilding will create many jobs during an initial minor dislocation of higher prices for imported products, but that will result in reinvestment in america as long as the TPP is not passed.
    Bear Klein Said:

    So trade wars are good if you like unemployed people and expensive goods.

    thats what we have now… the cost of the cheap goods is much higher than the list price. this is how the multinationals save themselves money by passing those real costs back to the consumer through in increased costs to the “macro economy”. the sale price is the micro economic red herring which obscured to ignorants the real macroeconomic cost to the national economy.
    Here is an unmentioned cost… our consumers paid for chinas 10% avg per annum growth AND for their increased military adventurism and investment… we fund their military. this will result is increased costs to our military as a counter measure… which will go into the pockets of the large military industrial complex.
    Bear Klein Said:

    Alternatively if one fights for fair trade then the USA gets a win win!

    no, if fighting for fair trade gives us what we have: no fair trade. the USA is in a lose lose as a result of exporting jobs, production and capital… all of which is funded by the consumers micro economic purchase… made possible by corporatists and the wealthy telling the same lies you now spread… repeating their bullshite narrative. The corporatists bought the polls who told us lower prices and they also told us that new jobs in high tech would emerge…. now they are importing foreigners for those jobs too proving one more lie.
    Bear Klein Said:

    So the question is Trump like Bernie or just making noise about jobs being created via clever negotiation and fighting for fairness in trade?

    just making noise? the corporate establishment will not allow real fair trade because it would bite into their profits which they can hide abroad as a “cost” of production. Their bought pols continue to lie and to not apply even the existing terms of trade wrt china currency exchange rates. Its all lies and useful idiots are employed to repeat generic BS which is completely disproven by the last 3 decades of real facts. Only tariffs can put fairness back into the picture.

    Remember the lions share of his supporters just want jobs and to be protected from the evil foreigners.

    Wow, those evil american citizens have the absolute chutzpah to expect jobs in an economy which is created by THEIR consumption. the foreigners are not evil, its the corporates and wealthy plus the bought pols who lied about lower prices and intentionally withheld what any fool would know MUST occur as a result. One cannot export their entire economy and expect it to still remain significant…DUH.
    BTW lower prices are meaningless also because the wages have gone down with more jobs that still require welfare to survive. Higher prices, higher salaries, more higher paid jobs, more taxes on more aspects of the components of vertical integration kept home to recirculate and create more taxes from the increased transactions….. is what would happen and what used to happen.

    John Maynard Keynes, who in 1933 wrote an overlooked essay on national self-sufficiency. I’ve heard this referred to as the aberration of a great mind. But I think it was the clear thinking of a great mind. He said the following: “I sympathize therefore, with those who would minimize, rather than with those who would maximize, economic entanglement between nations. Ideas, knowledge, art, hospitality, travel, these are the things which should of their nature be international. But let goods be homespun whenever it is reasonably and conveniently possible. And above all, let finance be primarily national.”

    it appears that the article from which this quote was taken has been removed entitled:Economists: Trump’s tariff plan the only way to save American Manufacturing jobs …which I pasted here prior with a now dead link. However I printed a cached copy if anyone wants I can send to Ted.

    Bear Klein Said:

    They are not graduates of schools of economics or business. They do not understand micro and macro economics if they have even heard the terms.

    Actually, I think it is you who does not understand basic economics… you just parrot generic narratives that the establishment always trots out. You made no attempt at analyzing specifiacally the current US economic situation and the effect of the past 30 years. This is why I dont like discussions of fact with ideologues who merely quote like Jehovah’s Witnesses quoting their bible. Those generic parrotings are completely relative to a specific set of circumstances.

    • Honeybee the women are certainly the intelligent posters. Did you know that one of the posters is hiding behind a female name but is actually male. What does that make them?