by Stu Bykofsky, Philadelphia Daily News
A RELIGIOUS minority is being persecuted, driven from their homes, robbed, raped, murdered.
From all the faux Islamophobia hysteria, you’d think it was Muslims.
It’s Christians, under a death sentence in parts of the Muslim world. Not in every Muslim country, but in too many.
The world remains remarkably, willfully blind and mute as the faithful of the world’s largest religion are blown apart by followers of the world’s second-largest religion.
Precise Christian persecution “figures are hard to come by,” says Kiri Kankhwende, spokesman for Christian Solidarity Worldwide, in the United Kingdom. Precise or not, things have rarely been worse. And who cares?
I am not a Christian, but I belong to a minority with a long history of persecution. The electrifying experience of the Holocaust, when the world stood mute, shapes my belief that it should happen “never again” to anyone. When the world is silent, slaughter follows.
A headline in Monday’s Daily News was unusual only in its candor: “Dozens dead in Pakistan; Christians targeted.”
It was a murderous attack on a church in which more than 70 died, the deadliest-ever attack against Pakistani Christians. At the same time, Islamic jihadists were rolling hand grenades into a Kenyan shopping mall and mowing down civilians – allowing only Muslims to safely exit.
Across the globe, Muslims are too often in the thick of the hate, pillage, rape and murder. There is no escaping the transparent fact jihadists use their religion as a rallying cry to kill Christians (and others).
Surely the United Nations is on top of this, right?
No. The U.N. avoids the Christian “problem” like leprosy.
The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom issues an annual report with three tiers from bad to worst.
Tier 1, diplomatically defined as “countries of particular concern,” is the worst. Making the (bad) grade in 2013 were (alphabetically) Burma, China, Egypt, Eritrea, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vietnam. Ten of the 15 are Muslim.
Currently in the gunsights are Coptic Christians, about 9 percent of Egypt’s 85 million population. They were openly persecuted when the Muslim Brotherhood’s Mohamed Morsi was elected president, then attacked more viciously when he was deposed. About 100,000 have fled the country in the last two years, according to Steven Emerson, who heads the Investigative Project on Terrorism.
Amazingly, Jesus’ birthplace of Bethlehem is almost free of Christians. They are down to 10 percent of the population from 90 percent a century ago. Christians soon will be gone from Bethlehem. The only country in the Mideast with a growing Christian population is Israel.
None of this should come as news.
As far back as 2001, the Middle East Forum’s Daniel Pipes was reporting, “Christians are fleeing from all over the Middle East.” Not just leaving, but “fleeing.”
The most curious thing to me is the silence of major media, which largely ignores one of the great stories of our generation, and Christian churches. They turn a cheek to persecution while turning a blind eye to their brothers and sisters being massacred, tortured and driven off their land.
I don’t understand it and I can’t join it.
“In the end,” the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
This friend is silent no more. Christians, how can you be?
Email: stubyko@phillynews.com
@ CuriousAmerican:
thought you might be interested in todays menu of christian slaughter by muslims
http://unitycoalitionforisrael.org/news/?p=9871
bernard ross Said:
Yes, I ares that!!!!!!!!!!!
honeybee Said:
I suspected as much.
Your comment first came to me in an email with an i instead of a u. I suddenly thought that rumors of your lack of spelling abilities were wrong and that it was a instead a literary device. On coming to this page I see the i has been changed to a u which both confirmed and denied your spelling abilities at the same time. You are a genius!
Shy Guy Said:
Last night I watched a Military Channel program about the “6 Day War”. A Rabbi wanted to dystroy the “Dome of the Rock” etc. ,but Moshe Dyan vetoed the idea and the mosque remains.
@ bernard ross:
Gabru means Grabiel, I have taught Ethopians American English, nice people.
bernard ross Said:
For your Pleasure: http://youtu.be/7Xx1jh6MmB8
bernard ross Said:
Just whistle,Sweets
bernard ross Said:
Your wife is a lucky woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ CuriousAmerican:
http://israel21c.org/culture/nuns-music-makes-divine-buzz-in-jerusalem/?utm_source=Newsletter+10%2F2%2F2013&utm_campaign=October+2%2C+2013&utm_medium=email
for your pleasure
CuriousAmerican Said:
Ted set the topic on this page entitled “The persecution of christians is being ignored”. You gave your one sentence comment and ran off to the expired Oslo page to debate with Dweller the legitimacy of the Pal identity and concluded unsurprisingly with the Jews must pay. Your debate with dweller about the pals included your research and links and yet we see nothing of that input level on this page about the persecution of your christian brothers, except you blaming the media. I merely point out that many Christians like you and the BDS church movement have made libeling Israel their agenda and given it priority over their christian brothers slaughters by the muslims they defend. This is not a matter of disagreement it is a matter of noting the facts of your behavior and the churches behavior. Intelligent people can tell somehthing is wrong with that behavior and that the arguments those christians are making is a cover for their agenda.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Did somone bringup christians moving as a solution? You will have to move the christians out of the world because these slaughters are also in Africa and asia and not just the ME. Didnt you read the list of christian slaughters I sent you or were you too busy debating pals and jews paying with Dweller? Ignorance can be no excuse for an internet savvy person like yourself.
Even your reply to me takes more space that your one sentence blaming the media for christian persecution. They are being slaughtered not inconvenienced. Do you have time in your busy schedule for your christian brothers? Apparently you do not think it deserves your attention. I would not be on a christian site defending muslims if muslims were out slaughtering jews on a global scale.
my reply 38 to dweller in moderation
@ dweller:
you wrote a lot but added nothing.
dweller Said:
In the case of Curio and the BDS churches the media is irrelevant as they have all the knowelege they need to get moving and do something. Instead they are bashing israel. My reply is the same: Curio should not be blaming the media for not being active in taking up the fight he should be taking up instead of spending so much on pal identity, suffering and getting jews to pay. He needs no more from the media to be aware of the slaughter and I also sent him a list of global christian slaughters to further inform him. However, he is too busy debating the legitimacy of pal identity with you on the expired Oslo page and concluding once more that the Jews must pay. If only he could expend the same energy debating for the lives of his christian brothers or if the BDS churches were rallying against christian slaughter instead of their libelous Israel “atrocities” then perhaps the christian slaughter by the muslims they defend would be less. You continue to avoid the gist of the argument first with the feeble argument that we dont know what he does in his spare time. However,as i pointed out, we can see what he does here. Simply use your eyes and see his sparcity of comments on this page dealing with christian persecution and compare it with his voluminous debate with you on a different page regarding his priority topic. I repeat my original argument in the hope that its simplicity will not elude your comprehension(KISS)this time or you misdirect yourself elsewhere. The facts wont change regardless of your grabbing at straws.
dweller Said:
speaking of baboons: If you are intent on continuing this valueless conversation in your quest for wins I will be happy to keep feeding your ego as a source of amusement.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Yes but not every topic and thread relates to the mission objective, that being Israel advocacy.
That said Ted allows the commenter’s a lot of discretion in digression from any original topic. That usually happens when the subject at hand has been exhausted and what happens is that the commenter’s take the thread in which ever direction it goes till that has been exhausted.
Pay them to leave, give them all visa to Enchalada Arizona or Death Valley. Jews take care of their own whynot you christians taking care of your own?
CuriousAmerican Said:
A chameleon or A real disciple of Paul?:
Liar their are hundreds who comment on this site and over the year thousands. Speaking only for myself, most don’t and never have agreed with my opinions but only a very few and select number of them have I ever described as antisemitic. In your case you try hard to camouflage your probably inbred Jew hatred but it usually becomes plain for most to see sooner or later. Jew haters who try to mask their hatred for Jews usually have Tells like a poker player, you have a large # of those Tells.
What extreme views of Kahane do you consider extreme and not authentic Judaism?
In my Israel, christian pagans and Muslims will not be allowed therefore no need for either churches or Mosques. Theologically in Judaism christianity is considered a Pagan belief and Muslims are too threatening and violent to allow them in. In any case in my Israel even gentiles would need to obey Jewish law and customs or else. That wold actually make them practicing Jews in the Public Domain and except for marriage and burial they would be no different with regard to custom from any Jews living in the Land.
Real Jews are not tolerant because Judaism is not tolerant of other beliefs. We believe we hold the truth and that is uncompromising, especially within the borders of our small little country.
CuriousAmerican Said:
INSHALLAH!
But the mosques will have to go, too. The religion of butchery has no place here.
The top of this website is Israpundit. Israeli Jews.
When this site becomes Christopundit, I will comment more on Christians.
I do not set the topics, Ted does.
Do I think Christians from the Mideast should be moved? … You betcha.
But moving Christians will not bring peace to Israel nor the Mideast, which is the focus of this board.
Here I deal with the focus.
On other boards, I am noted as an Islamophobe, and my posts have been deleted.
There is a class of commentator on this and other boards who label everyone which does not agree with a hard Kachist line as an anti-semite.
Some seem more interested in defending Kahane’s extreme views (Not all his views were extreme) and criticizing Christians rather than solving the Mideast issue.
Yamit has said that in His Israel, a mosque might be allowed but not a church.
So I have to deal with Yamit types.
Oddly enough they consider themselves free of bigotry; and project their weaknesses onto me.
@ bernard ross:
I clearly identified them in the same post. Repeated below:
It was YOU who changed the conversation by taking Curio’s comment about the media’s ignoring the plight of Christians, a matter directly alluded to in the article
— and making it all about HIM.
The only OBVIOUS signals in re CA where you are concerned, Bernard, are those that display your snide and slimy maliciousness.
Hard for anybody but a cretin to miss.
That’s why my bottom line in this argument in re YOURSELF is what I said before: “ludicrous, insensitive, and stupid.”
DIDN’T take long to see it. I saw it immediately.
But then, I’d known your M-O from before.
So I provided a foothold for some of the newer readers
— before summing you up.
ROFLMAO. The only thing you “expose,” Bernard, is the length & breadth of your presumptuousness
— and the dizzying height of your chutzpah.
@ bernard ross:
More like a baboon.
@ yamit82: I expect that window dressing and hair dressing require similar talents and personalities. Perhaps we should ask the expert “window dresser”.
dweller Said:
I have already proved this bit of mystic clairvoyance to be incorrect. CA is not at all diverted from his agenda of pal suffering, jews must pay, etc by any criticism of mine or my tag teammate. Just today he proved that in his argument with you over pal identity and concluded with his unsurprising and repetitive recommendation that, wait for it, “the jews must pay” in spite of my criticism. :P.
I wonder why he is not posting voluminously for his christian brothers slaughters as he does for the pals inconveniences, he is not setting a good example for his confreres.
yamit82 Said:
I’m howling with laughter like a gorilla (sometimes the simple reply is the best reply.)
signed
your tiresome tag teamate
honeybee Said:
I wonder which word gave you a thrill?
@ dweller:
Oh, please.
The only written records you EVER “go with,” Yamit, are the ones that coincide with — or can be spun to coincide with — your own preconceived ideas. Those written records that DON’T support your maliciousness, or can’t be twisted to do so, you simply ignore.
@ yamit82:
So what? Not everybody pulls out their C-V at the drop of a hat. Some persons find it unseemly.
That all you got?
Already covered that. (You should read what you blockquote.):
“If he DID do that on this site, then YOU — of all people — would accuse him of diverting just that much of the discussion from Israel & Jews. . . . to Christians.”
And that goes for you just as it does for your tiresome tag-teammate.
Oh, please.
The only written records you EVER “go with,” Yamit, are the ones that coincide with — or can be spun to coincide with — your own preconceived ideas. Those written records that DON’T support your maliciousness, or can’t be twisted to do so, you simply ignore.
yamit82 Said:
right on! The technique is if he cant win an argument then change it to an argument he can win, through obfuscation and misdirection. The important thing is that he wins an argument the rest is “window dressing”.
(I can picture him dressing windows with the same “flair” as his arguments)
It is possible that CA’s the “jews must pay” obsession is a symbolic substitution for the Jews paying for the “murder” of his god.
dweller Said:
And you Darlin boy, always a mouth full!!!!!!!!!
bernard ross Said:
Et tu Bernard, more big words, what thrill,Sweetie!!!!!!!
yamit82 Said:
I love it when you use multi-sylablle words, my heart beat so ast I can hardly breath, Darlin
Bernard Ross Said:
do you have any evidence that he is doing it elsewhere? He has not countered to show that his activism against christian slaughter is as much a priority as his activism for Jewish payment. This very page concerns christian persecution and yet he has spent his time defending pal identity with you on the Oslo page with quite a few links and arguments. I see nothing like that on this page which deals with christian persecution. Please point it out for me.
dweller Said:
My reaction would not stop him from pursuing his most important priority. It certainly does not stop him from going to the oslo page and argue voluminously for the pals. I tend to assume that you are familiar with fallacious argument so I am wondering whether you just used this statement/argument intentionally, perhaps disingenuously, or was it an honest slip of memory?
dweller Said:
You ought to know, you are the the champion of obfuscation and misdirection.
dweller Said:
what cheap shots? are your referring to my pointing out CA’s dishonest motives? Perhaps it is my pointing out that he spends lots of time and energy promoting his mantra of the “jews should, and must, pay”? Or is it my stopwatch comment which pointed out your attempt to refocus the obvious gist of my point towards the valueless endeavor of measuring exactly how long CA spends on his various daily tasks. You often change a conversation to travel down a tangent in order to demostrate how clever you are.
You have written some long replies but on perusal it appears you have added nothing beyond our last exchange. You keep attempting to make something complex out of that which is simple. I will attempt to refocus you towards my original answer to your criticism of my position re CA motives: Although you and I see the same facts and behavior from CA we have arrived at entirely different conclusions. Your conclusion is that CA is an honest individual without ulterior motive and my conclusion is the opposite. Your main argument is that I cannot know what he is doing with his free time and therefore should not assume that he is not spending that time activating to prevent the slaughter of his fellow christians. My point is that his behavior here indicates his priorities and motivations. When christian slaughters come up he has spent a great deal less energy than his pursuit of jews paying, pal suffering, pal legitimacy, etc. there is no reason for you to assume that his unseen behavior is different from his observed behavior especially since he, himself, has made no comments to counter my accusations. This page is about the persecution of christians being ignored and yet he has nowhere shown the massive level of input he made in his exchange with you yesterday defending palestinian identity claims and concluding with the usual “the jews should pay” on the now expired Oslo page. This alone should make you think. Perhaps your oft touted “antennae” are in need of repair or replacement or perhaps you were so busy enjoying your repartee with CA that you did not notice the obvious signals?
Similarly re my media comment that CA should not be blaming the media. CA, and many BDS anti Israel churches, are quite well-informed as to christian slaughters and yet they still spend much of their time berating and cajoling Israel. The uninformed may avail themselves of blaming the media but the informed cannot expect the media to engage in activism while they are engaged against Israel. I was not discussing general MSM influence as I have already expressed myself on this issue many times. The MSM cannot be an excuse for CA or the BDS churches.
Bernard Ross Said:
It has always been my bottom line in this argument, I am surprised it took you so long to get to it as it has not been disguised and one could not avoid stumbling over it even if one was blind. I doubt that if Jews were being slaughtered everywhere by muslims I would be spending my time on a hindu site defending the muslims. My antennae senses something is fishy but you may continue to use your antennae if you are satisfied with its conclusions. It makes no sense to continue this argument without anything new being added. As it stands I will continue to expose CA as I see it in spite of your protestations.
dweller Said:
And yet you were drawn to “window dressing” even while stumbling over the actual points. You attraction to “window dressing” indicates that you may have missed your true calling.
@ dweller:
No, that’s a description of yourself.
Since he has been called on this issue over and over again he could have informed us of some of his activities in defense of his christian brothers and sisters. But he has not done so. So we know what we know and the onus in this circumstance is on him not us.
We make certain assumptions and draw conclusions based on what we know from his comments. You excuse his behavior on the presumption and assumptions not in evidence based on a myriad of his comments on this site. I go with the preponderance of the written record, you go probably with your defense of a fellow christian, using your mystical intuition?
Cut the crap dweller there have been a myriad of articles on this site relating to Muslims harsh treatment of christians in the ME. Awhile back when I asked him whyit was he never is critical of the Arabs (palis). And he said that he had commented a few times on the subject on other sites but not this one. I wonder why?
Just the treatment of Muslim Palis against their christian brothers should set his bile rising but he has pity for those who murder, rape, pillage and persecute Arab christians eventually driving most to leave. On those issues he is mostly silent and concentrates on Palis support aand against Jewish issues and positions by the use of moral and historical relativism and equivalency.
Where christians have murdered millions of Jews he brings up arcane instances where some Jew or Jews murdered some christians and then without stating under what contexts. His presence on this site is agenda driven and so is his anti Jewish biases.
@ bernard ross:
That’s ludicrous, insensitive, and stupid.
I repeat, you have no way of knowing WHAT he does with the rest of his time.
You’d blame him anyway and we both know it.
I doubt that his blaming the media was for their keeping HIM personally in the dark so much as for their keeping the general PUBLIC oblivious to the outrageous reality — and to the breadth & seriousness of it.
— For that the media are very much to blame.
That was your bottom line, right from the jump, wasn’t it?. . . .(took you long enough getting to it).
Everything else was window dressing.
@ bernard ross:
I noticed long ago the frequency & duration of his appearances on this site — never made any judgment about it one way or the other.
OTOH, it’s quite clear from your repeated allusions to it [see above] that it is YOURSELF — not I — for whom that is the “important issue here.”
I would suggest that under the circumstances it would have behooved PresentCompany to haul out his OWN stopwatch and “record [CA’s] schedule” before taking that series of incredibly cheap shots.
Of course you haven’t.
— Not here.
If he DID do that on this site, then YOU — of all people — would accuse him of diverting just that much of the discussion from Israel & Jews. . . . to Christians.
dweller Said:
I agree with you.
dweller Said:
I suggest you get out your stopwatch and record his schedule if you believe that is the improtant issue here.
We both read his comments and observe his behavior here and come to diametrically opposite conclusions and opinions.
You are today debating with him on pal identity and he has spent time getting together facts and links to support the pals. I dont think I have ever seen him direct that much energy into the global muslim slaughter of christians. People spend their time and energy on what is important to them. To him it is important that the Jews pay, slaughtered christians are secondary, the facts that can be observed speak for themselves.
His behavior is not unlike the BDS churches that activate against Israel but do little for slaughtered christians. I question CA’s, and those BDS churches, motives. It does not surprise me that your conclusion from the same observed behavior is oppossite, that is a matter of choice.
Ross Said:
CA is internet and alternative news savvy, I venture to say he has more awareness than me of the facts re the muslim slaughter of christians. Even Israpundit has published these facts. If christians are everywhere being slaughtered by muslims and CA is spending his time activating for Jews to pay arabs then I blame him, the media told him enough to act upon. If CA doesn’t act then he is to blame. with so many christian brothers of his being slaughtered he should be spending no time on jews paying here. Of note is that he did not present any evidence to the contrary.
@ CuriousAmerican:
Most media types are products of the secular humanist mentality which overtook the public school system some decades ago. Their world-view (to say nothing of their personal identity) is directly threatened by the notion that all men — including themselves — are ultimately accountable to an Authority which they cannot control (by bullet OR ballot).
Believing Christians represent, in principle, that accountability.
So, consciously or otherwise, most MSM types (among others) wish them dead.
@ bernard ross:
Actually, it’s quite clear that Curio doesn’t spend a very great proportion of his time here.
— Seems, rather, to check in from time-to-time to post a few remarks, then disappears again for a while.
And I suggest that none of us knows what he does with the REST of his time.
I find nothing at all odd that he — or anyone else — would blame the media
— they warrant an enormous part of the blame.
The media effectively create the agenda of the day.
The general public ends up discussing & addressing whatever the MSM regard as significant
— and ignoring whatever the MSM chooses to trash, bury, or disdain.
todays christian science effort on behalf of the enemy
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0929/Israel-increases-rate-of-home-demolitions-as-peace-talks-chug-along
I see nothing in their newspaper about christian persecution by muslims except the “militants kill students…” headline. HMMM????
with all the head chopping and throat slitting you would think they could leave off Israel for a moment. apparently this one pal home demolition from illegal building was more important than all the other muslim persecution of christians globally. Only the story about “militants”(LOL)beat out the Israel atrocity.
http://www.csmonitor.com/
The Christians in the west believe it is prophecy being fulfilled – that they will be reviled and hated and persecuted until ‘The Rapture’ takes them up. That’s why they do nothing because they think it is suppose to happen – that they become maryters. It is their way of having a ‘Jewish experience’.
@ CuriousAmerican:
Then speak up, you very abely express your opinion here!!!!!!!
CuriousAmerican Said:
See my Post #1. Then, let me elaborate. Christianity is being targeted by two totalitarian religions – Islam and Marxism/Leftism (which controls the Western news media). They both want Christianity out of the way since it is their primary obstacle to world domination (that, and each other). Marxism has pretty much defeated Christianity in Europe, Canada and “blue state” America, and now it is going for it everywhere else.
CuriousAmerican Said:
why blame the media, why not blame the christians who do nothing. let’s take you for example: you are a christian who spends most of his time arguing with Jews on a predominately jewish site about who should “pay the arabs to leave” who are themselves mainly muslim. We should be asking you why do you ignore this and instead spend your time arguing with jews on behalf of muslims. Don’t you have christian brothers? You are more probably more aware than most re the news and yet you do the same or worse. What possesses you to ignore your brothers plight and spend most of your time discussing muslims with jews? It’s odd that you blame the media.
I am disgusted by how our media ignores the cleansing of Christians. I have no idea why this occurs. One has to wonder who is in charge of the media that they would ignore this?
Video: Maaloula was religious cleansing, not a military target
bernard ross Said:
The Israel-hating, pro-Holocaust churches are the laughingly misnamed “Mainline” Protestant denominations – Episcopal/Anglican, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist and UCC – and they are dying. At one time, they were the pillars of Christian belief in America, Canada and the UK, but are now shadows of their former selves, with membership way down, and the remaining membership getting older. But the leftist, Israel-hating MSM loves them because the churches themselves have really become Marxist churches.
Really? The most curious thing to me is the silence of the christians around the world.
@ bernard ross:
So what else is new,where is Nenevah,Pharoah,Bablylon,Hitites,Sumerians,Philistines and Hitler. WE ARE STILL HERE.
@ honeybee:That is very nice on a local level but that does not change the fact that many churches worldwide, inc US, partake in the libels of illegitimacy, apartheid and inhumanity and spend a great deal of money, time and energy on trying to sabotage Israel. The anti Israel churches probably have little time for their fellow christians. Some of those churches are the national churches of eu nations and are busy influencing their govts agains israel. Perhaps if they spent their money time and energy on helping their christian bros, calling on their nations to do something,etc. the suffering of christians by muslims would diminish. I dont hear much from national christian churches on their bros suffering under islam but i do hear about their involvement in BDS and their defense of palestinians. Do you?
@ bernard ross:
Israel has great support among Christians where I live
many of those churches and christian nations appear to believe that Israel is the real problem and that muslims need protection from Israel. Their frantic drive to punishing and swindling Jews is the focus of their attention, they do not care about their “christian bros”. Perhaps they are wrong, I wonder if they will figure it all out before they become someones not so halal dinner.
@ Eric R.:
Sadly true
The media ignores this (except, not surprisingly, Fox News, which gives this issue a lot of coverage) because they agree with the Muslims that Christianity should be wiped out.
After the Jews are wiped out, of course.