Peloni: Brigadier General (Res.) Itai Brun and Hoover Institute’s Dr. Michael Doran discuss the developments and factors which coalesced to bring about the October 7 Massacre. See Detailed Summary below.
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Summary:
– Competing Narratives of October 7th
– The Collapse of Israel’s Strategic Perception was based on fundamental assumptions which were false, ie Hamas was deterred, Israel’s military strength provided strategic deterrence, creating the “Gap Between Perception and Reality”
– Hamas’s developed a new Operational and Strategic Concept: massive, multi-pronged ground invasion to replace the concept of tunnel infiltration.
– 2021 May War was key in providing Hamas with the confidence of victory that it could coordinate in a multifront war with Iran and the other proxies.
– The concept of victory evolved from that of survival towards pursuing a decisive victory
– Growing Perception by Hamas that U.S. Weakness as China/Russia aligned more with the “Resistance Axis” would deter the US from intervening in an attack on Israel
– Illusion of certainty led to Israeli strategic collapse requiring the development of a culture on which all hypotheses are routinely tested rather than accepted as factual
– Lessons for Intelligence & Decision-Makers
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Reality is more complicated than intelligence frameworks can describe.
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challenging assumptions must become routine for policy makers and intelligence analysts
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institutionalized skepticism and competing hypotheses employed to avoid self deceptive blind spots.
– Post-October 7 & Regional Implications
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The Resistance Axis is now reassessing its own “theory of victory” after mixed results and internal tensions.
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Israel’s current operations in Gaza, Lebanon, Iran are an effort to dismantle the Axis’s belief in decisive victory.
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Hamas’s success, though temporary, reshaped regional strategic landscape due to Israel’s assumption which misjudged technological dominance in place of strategic understanding.


The IDF leadership was entirely Leftist and their focus was on fighting Netanyahu not Hamas. Same with the Mossad leadership.
95% of non military, non law enforcement Israeli Jews are still not allowed arms to protect themselves. They need “permits” to shoot Muslims raping their wives and daughters. They are not allowed to have them.
Stuck on stupid from top to bottom.
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And Germany had its own equivalents originally, the Hindenburg Line and the Siegfried Line.
@Sebastien
Don’t forget the Bar Lev line too. It was overrun in two hours in 1973, though it served its purpose in the war of attrition. The two wars were very different but an important distinction which led to the Bar Lev line collapsing so quickly in 1973 was the intelligence failures which led to misunderstandings about the intentions of the Egyptian forces as well as the capabilities of the Egyptian forces. There were other factors involved as well, but intel failure I believe was the greatest distinction.
@Peloni
If Israel had mobilized and attacked pre-emptively in response to the Egyptian forces massed on the border, would that have mattered?
@Sebastien,
If it had done so, it would have preserved freedom of the skies, something which they lost as they scrabbled to deal with the dilemma of a two front war. The plan to deal with the Egyptian SAM missile batteries had been well planned in advance, but it was cancelled just before it began after the Egyptians had begun their attack. The IDF command, Dayan,, judged that the greater threat was on the Syrian front, so a hodge-podge attack plan against the Syrian SAMS was cobbled together with devastating results. The consequence of this can not be overstated, such that when the IAF finally moved against the Egyptians, they were unable to achieve the affect which could have been had if the original mission had not been scrapped.
The attack plan on Egypt’s SAMS was called Tagar, and the one against the Syrians was Dogman, or something close to that, in case you want to read more on the topic.
If Israel had struck first, the Egyptian SAMS would have been devastated, and the IAF would have taken far fewer losses. The consequence of this is that Israel would have dominated the war, instead of trying to hold on til Nixon pushed Kissenger to send Israel badly needed support. The war would almost certainly have been shorter, with far fewer Israeli casualties, but the political fallout would have been hard to judge for certain. To be certain, it wouldn’t have been pretty.
The Americans wanted to use Israel as bait to get Egypt to cut its ties with the USSR and come to support the US in the Cold War, which is ultimately exactly what happened. If Israel had spoiled that moment for the US, it is hard to know for certain if the US would have cut its ties with Israel or simply given them a time out. The US project with Egypt, like Trump’s peace plan in the Middle East today, was a VERY VERY big deal. So this part is hard to answer with any certainty, IMHO, of course.
But I am well convinced that Israel would have won the war quicker and with far fewer losses if they had attacked first in ’73. The only concern Israel really had going into the war preemptively is that it would rely heavily on the accuracy of Israel’s intelligence, which had been too reliant upon the Americans which is why they were led to believe that there would be no attack. So this is something to consider. Israel would have had to have concluded in advance of the Egyptian attack that the Americans, their allies, were lying to them, something which they did not come to grasp til long after the war had ended. If they had made that deduction, many things could have been different, but I am not convinced that they would have been. Golda was quite dependent upon the good will of the US, and I don’t think she would have been easily swayed that they were using Israel as bait. It would have been a really hard pill for her to have swallowed, again IMO.
@Peloni
Is it? Eidelberg said otherwise. See Chapter 2 (begins on p.16.)
https://afsi.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SadatsStrategy_Eidelberg1.pdf
@Sebastien
I take your point, and I agree with Eidelberg, but in fact, the Americans had there victory over the Soviets with Sadat, and that was their plan. Making peace with Nazis is always a fools errand, and even after Sadat was thankfully murdered, the Egyptians have never stopped preparing to fulfill Sadat’s goal of going back to war with Israel, a fact that should not be ignored in todays current events.
@Peloni Wait. You just said the Americans had their victory over the Soviets after saying you agree with him. Are you talking about his main thesis or his assertion that Egypt never actually broke with the Soviet Union, that it was a deception. Please clarify. Chapter 2.
@Sebastien
I see what you are saying now. It wasn’t clear to me before.
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Brill claims that the US had knowledge of the impending attck by Egypt and withheld it from Israel.
Read ‘Deceit of an Ally’ by Bruce Brill, a Jew who was working at NSA in Oct ’73.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/hamas-training-site-gaza-israel-intl
I just read the IDF is introducing new and upgraded technology to the Gaza border. They had people, all female soldiers, warning their male superiors repeatedly over time who were threatening them to keep quiet! And one middle level official was actually prosecuted for going over his superior’s head to report crucial, time-sensitive intelligence to Bibi that had been kept from him!
If enemy forces mass on the border, that should be a red line for war as it was in ’67. The observers reported them doing training exercises!
@Sebastien
Kinda like the Egyptian forces massing along the Sinai border…
@Peloni Yes, I hope the IDF is planning in prepartion for war with Egypt as Egypt is planning to go to war with Israel. It won’t be under Trump but presidents only serve for 4 or 8 years. Imagine AOC in the oval office in 2029. Or Tucker Carlson.
Still no full investigation as to how the available facts were not acted upon prior to 10-7 nor to the slow response that morning.
“Sources familiar with the matter said the officer “refuses to go home. Many people tried to show him the way out, and he does not agree – he wants to remain in the army.”
An IDF spokesperson confirmed the report’s details.”
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/417730
My Comment: Oh, well if he doesn’t want to go home. What is this, kindergarden? I’m shocked he hasn’t been brought up on charges and that I should even have to say that!
“Hello, hello, anybody home?” – “Back to the Future” (1985)
https://youtu.be/JhJGOYJo9mM?si=vWY1pIHrzorXB_Pk
Who the hell is in charge ???
Court marshall, anyone???