Bennett: Netanyahu, Trump plan to establish a Palestinian state

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1. Peace initiatives must be based on the worst-case-scenario, which is usually consistent with Middle East reality. For instance, a potential toppling of Jordan’s Hashemite regime – which should be averted by immense US and Israeli efforts – would transform Jordan into an Iraq, Syria and Libya-like platform of Islamic terrorism, which would threaten the survival of the pro-US regimes in Saudi Arabia and the Arabian Peninsula, transforming the longest, most critical and most peaceful border of Israel into a lethal nightmare, potentially extending the Ayatollahs’ posture to the Jordan Valley and beyond.

   US peace initiatives should be driven by US national security interests, which would be severely undermined by a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. A Palestinian state would doom the Hashemite regime east of the Jordan River (with its Palestinian majority, entrenched Muslim Brotherhood presence, intra-Bedouin fragmentation, neighboring Iraq, etc.), triggering a domino scenario, which would haunt all pro-US Arab regimes in the Persian Gulf area, according Iran, Russia and China a geo-strategic bonanza, including a land, air and/or sea presence in the newly-established Palestinian state. The nature of the proposed Palestinian state may be realistically assessed based on the track record of Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian leadership from their collaboration with Nazi Germany, through their embrace of the Soviet Bloc, Ayatollah Khomeini, international terrorism, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China and North Korea.

   The attempt to minimize Middle East instability and advance the US interest, on the one hand, and establishing a Palestinian state, on the other hand, constitutes a classic oxymoron, adding fuel – not water – to the Middle East fire.

   This is from Ettinger’s article Yamit referenced above. It is completely correct and I suggest all should read!

2. 
   Land For Peace Is A Declaration Of War

   Land for peace is a declaration of war.

   After all, the inverse of the proposal is: “No land, no peace.” It is not an offer, but an ultimatum. Surrender your land to us, your enemies, or we will attack you.

   Hence, land for peace is not a negotiation for peace, but a negotiation for surrender. The Jewish people are probably the only nation in the history of the world that won a war and then negotiated its own surrender. We are certainly the only nation that has done so repeatedly, both in ancient times and modern times. This is likely because any other nation that may have tried such foolhardy behavior quickly became extinct. The fact that we have continued to survive in spite of our repeated groveling after defeated enemies should be proof enough of G-d’s existence for even the most hardened skeptic.

   Our ancestors faced a proposal of land for peace thousands of years ago, and they bequeathed to us the appropriate response. This is outlined in the 11th chapter of the book of Shoftim (Judges).

   Not long after the Jewish people first settled the land, during the period of the Judges, the nation of Ammon raised an army against the Jews of Gilad, which was located on the other side of the Jordan River. The elders of Gilad were terrified, and pleaded with Yiftach (Jephthah) to lead them into battle. Yiftach was a rough fellow who had been driven out of the land by his own brothers, but he eventually agreed to help those who had previously betrayed him.

   Yiftach sent a message to the king of Ammon asking why he was picking a fight against them. The king responded that the Jews had stolen their land when they left Egypt, and demanded that they “return it to them in peace.”

   
   Sounds eerily familiar.

   Yiftach was by no means a Torah scholar, but he had strong Jewish pride and faith in Hashem. It would not be unreasonable to compare and contrast him with some of modern Israel’s not-so-religious heroes.

   Yiftach’s response to this land for peace proposal was essentially three-fold:

   1) The king of Ammon was distorting history and inventing a false claim of ownership. Yiftach surely knew that giving him a history lesson and setting the record straight would not result in an apology for an honest mistake. Hence, Yiftach’s reply was meant to demonstrate that the Jews would not cater to false accusations.

   2) Hashem, our G-d, drove out people from our land to give it to us as an inheritance. The nation of Ammon keeps the land that their god gives them as well. Why should the Jews relinquish their inheritance that Hashem had given them?

   This is something of a cynical retort, for Yiftach in no way meant to imply that the god of Ammon was legitimate. The message here is clear: it’s our G-d versus your god. Let the stronger god win. We’re not giving away what He gave us.

   3) Your predecessors understood that this was our land. What makes you think you are superior to them to challenge our rightful ownership after all these years?

   Yiftach clearly recognized land for peace as a declaration of war. Instead of trying to negotiate a gradual defeat for Israel to avoid an immediate war, he utterly rejected the demands. You want the land? Come and get it.

   The next verse says that “a spirit of G-d” settled upon Yiftach. He struck a mighty blow to Ammon, “and the sons of Ammon were humbled before the sons of Israel (Judges 11:33).”

   Yiftach — who, it must be emphasized, was neither a prophet nor a sage — rejected the surrender that is called land for peace, put his trust in G-d, and defeated the enemies of Israel.

   Then there was peace.

3. @ Ted Belman:

   US Peace Initiative – A Reality Test
   By Yoram Ettinger – 23 Adar I 5779 – February 28, 2019 0

   The eagerness to advance the cause of peace must not produce an immoral “moral equivalence” between the intended victim (Israel) and the 100 year old Arab aggression against the existence (not the size) of a Jewish State in “the abode of Islam,” nor between an unconditional ally of the US (Israel) and a close ally of enemies and rivals of the US (the Palestinian leadership).

   Peace initiatives should not ignore Middle East reality where the submission of a US initiative forces Arabs to outflank it from the maximalist side, and where concessions to rogue and terrorist elements whet their appetite and intensify violence.

   US peace initiatives which downplay Middle East reality are doomed to be dashed against the rocks of reality, severely undermining the national and homeland security of the USA.

4. @ Bear Klein:

   Kushner says US peace plan very detailed, draws border. But no publication date

5. @ yamit82:That is exactly what I was worrying about. Gantz took part in this but never signed the final document so we do not know what in it he agrees or disagrees. Though his speech seem to indicate that he was certainly in the direction of this report or plan.

6. @ Bear Klein:

   
   WORSE THAN I THOUGHT
   
   New peace plan created ‘behind the scenes’
   Institute for National Security Studies presents plan which creates ‘Palestinian’ state – with or without Palestinian Authority’s consent.

7. In the last couple of weeks, everything has fallen apart. I can’t tell you what happenned to change the outlook. I don’t think it will happen as I have believed up til now.

8. Ted Belman Said:

   UAE and Oman are supporting it.

   Your source Ted?

9. @ adamdalgliesh:
   You are mostly correct.

   If however the plan is still a two state plan means it is not getting away from the failed paradigm.

   The State of Israel or government needs to formulate a PRO ISRAEL paradigm.

   What I am now very concerned about is that the “Blue & White” will win the election and come about trying to make that paradigm two state concept (held in abeyance for the future) with a unilateral giving up on the right to certain parts of Judea/Samaria and letting smaller settlements wither and weaken. This will make Israel “Black & Blue” from the pain it will endure and not Blue and White.

10. Ted Belman Said:

    Where Netanyahu stands on this I do not know.

    Based on AG notice of intent to Indict BB what he thinks could be irrelevant. LOL
    Question should be asked of Pervert Ganz

    Me? I think you are spitting into the wind.

11. Th epeace plan may never be published. Even if it is, neither side is likely to accept it. Israel will be willing to make it a starting point or basis for negotiations. But the PLO has made a strategic decision not to negotiate with Israel or the United States, at least while Trump is still in office. The publication of th plan, whatever it turns out to be, won’t affect this decision one way or another. As a result, all this controversy about what will almost certainly be a stillborn plan, if it is ever released at all, is a waste of time and energy

12. @ Bear Klein:
    UAE and Oman are supporting it.

13. @ Ted Belman:It appears NONE of the Arab countries have agreed to Jared Kushner’s proposals.

14. @ Ted Belman:
    Israel can’t federate with Jordan. Zahran is only one man.The rest of the country hates Jews. Israel must never relinquish whatever control it has left over anything. Even from a negotiating standpoint, Israel has already made all the concessions. But, offering technical and financial assistance? Sure. But, that’s all.

15. I think the Plan involves
    1. regime change in Jordan,
    2. the destruction of the PA with Jordon assuming their role as administrator.
    3. A federation between Jordan (then called Palestine) and Israel.
    4. All Palestinians in Jordan and Israel will have Jordanian/Palestinian citizenship.
    5. The Jordan R will remain the border between the two states.

    Federation always involves a separation of powers. In this case most powers remain with the states, Israel and Palestine. The only power I can imagine which is exercised by the combined states is Defense and foreign affairs but other powers can be included.

    Canada is considered a federation of 10 provinces each of whom governs
    themselves. But certain powers are vested in the Canadian government like defense, foreign affairs and income taxation.

    I do not know to what extent the federation will have the dominent identity. like in Canada. I think in this case that each state will retain its characteriztion as a separate country like in the European Union.

    Where Netanyahu stands on this I do not know.

16. Caroline Glick vs. Donald Trump

    Two years after she was the keynote speaker at a pro-Trump rally, Caroline Glick vows to be the opposition to Trump’s peace plan.

    Two years after she was the keynote speaker at an influential pro-Trump rally in Jerusalem, Glick vows to “absolutely” be the opposition who stops the plan by pressuring Netanyahu to reject it.

    She says she will be in the Knesset to prevent “the partition of Jerusalem and giving 90% of Judea and Samaria to terrorists,” because the plan is a “danger” and “antithetical to the US’s national security interests almost as much as it is to Israel’s.”

    As a Knesset member, she promises to send that message to the Trump administration. Gil also reveals how he got the scoop on a rabbi who compared the views of an Israeli political party to Nazism.

    Bennett’s message to President Donald Trump
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcfjokTWkmw&feature=share

    The more Trump’s plan is leaked the stronger the opposition on the right should gain at the expense of the Likud. BB’s Indictments should not be helpful either.

    Trump peace plan seeks to invest $25 billion in PA — report
    The Trump peace plan seeks to invest $25 billion into the Palestinian Authority, analysts who have followed its development tell the New York Times.

    The plan will also see $40 billion invested in Egypt, Jordan and possibly Lebanon, the NYT says.

    The US is hoping that wealthy Gulf states will be able to cover the bulk of the funds.

    The plan, according to the analysts who spoke to the New York Times, stops short of establishing a sovereign Palestinian state.

    US peace plan said to include $25 billion in West Bank and Gaza investments
    Kushner, Greenblatt currently touring Arab nations to discuss proposal to funnel huge sums to Palestinians and to other Arab neighbors of Israel, NY Times reports

    Bennett accuses Trump of ‘planning a Palestinian state right over our heads’
    Escalating criticism of White House peace plan, New Right head calls on US president to ‘let my people know’ the details of his proposal

17. Michael S Said:

    I might be wrong, but that’s how I see it.

    You are wrong 100%

    Note: apocalyptic book of Revelations was written by someone named John but not sure what John. While there are many grabs from the Hebrew Tanach specifically Zecharia and Daniel 7-8, using a unique literary genre. This John author copied and pasted direct quotes and ideas from Daniel and others. He uses texts found in Jewish scripture and gives them a Christological tint. Mormons have done the same thing combining a mishmash of both NT and Tanach passages and a messiah comes out of their oven not the Jewish Messiah but a new model and version. The Book of Mormon did to the NT what the NT did to Jewish scriptures (misquoted and misapplied texts)

    Explain Rev 22:12? Never happened never materialized

    Many church fathers denied the holiness of Rev and didn’t believe it should be included in the church canon, ultimately it made it in the 27 books of the christian canon in the year 326 by a narrow majority vote of the bishops

18. leonkushner Said:

    He is living in a dream world. If he wanted a job in the administration I’m sure there are many other jobs available for him.

    What can you expect from a yeshiva dropout that his father had to give many $$$millions in donations to Harvard to get him in…. A bright thinker he is not. He is the biggest leaker and backstabber in the admin. It was Javanka that pushed Bannon out and Bannon was the only real thinker in the admin. Most of the failed Trump appointments on the recommendation of final approval of Javanka … A terrible record so far.

19. @ leonkushner:
    Leon,

    Forgive me for referring to Jared merely as “Kushner”. No doubt, you do think nothing like him.

    Ever since I learned that Jared had purchased 666 Fifth Avenue for an astronomical amount — for the reason that he considered it to be “The Center of the World” — I have been wary of the lad. He has all the earmarks of “the beast” in the book of Revelations: young, healthy, attractive, well-married and an effective mover in the highest strata of society. He doesn’t seem to think at all like his father-in-law; but through Ivanka, he seems to have incredible influence over him.

    It seems completely out of character, to me, that President Trump should have much of an interest in “The Deal of the Century”. That stands against so much of what erstwhile candidate and now president Trump wants to accomplish. It will not “Make America Great Again”, it will not enhance our security, and it will entangle us in overseas affairs that have bedeviled every US president since Truman. Rather, the DOTC looks comletely like Javanka’s doing.

    You said of Jared,

    “He wishes that Gaza and Judea and Samaria be controlled by one entity (PA)?”

    I don’t think Jared is a dreamer. I think he is single-minded and very practical. If he wishes Gaza and Yesh to be controlled by one entity, I expect that entity to ultimately be the US. However it gets dressed up, that is what I believe he wants; and in a few years, I think he wants “UN = US = Javanka”.

    I might be wrong, but that’s how I see it.

20. @ yamit82:It’s predetermined by G-d. BB and Trump have little to do with it (thankfully).

21. @ yamit82: THere is not much that makes any sense in Jared’s comments. I do realize that he was talking to Arabs when he said it. But that’s even worse. Just because they are liars there is no need for us to be liars too. ‘No borders’ ? Has he lost his mind? Surely he must know that fences make good neighbours.
    He wishes that Gaza and Judea and Samaria be controlled by one entity (PA)? I wish I won a billion dollars. Even though we share the same name, we think nothing alike. He is living in a dream world. If he wanted a job in the administration I’m sure there are many other jobs available for him.

22. @ yamit82:
    Hi, Yamit

    I agree with most of what you have said in posts here so far — except that I doubt that either Trump or Kushner are stupid. They have both proven to be highly intelligent and very capable of achieving their objectives.

    That said, I believe Kushner is the “beast” of the Book of Revelation — the one pop prophets of many religions and anti-religions call “Antichrist” (but I don’t see any of this in the Bible).

    The plan on the table, as leaked so far from Kushner, looks very bad for Israel. On the one hand, the “borders” don’t seem much different from what Barak and Olmert offered — which provide neither peace nor security. On the other hand, this deal would not be accepted by anyone unless it included a powerful security provision, something I translate into either US or UN control of Israel. Indeed, Netanyahu has good reason to not want this leaked before the election.

    I believe the main objective of the peace proposal, is to ensure President Trump’s reelection and Javanka’s elevation. Israel’s welfare is not a primary interest.

    It would be good, if neither of us is right on these things.

23. @ Bear Klein:

    P_roblem with Trump and co. and to a large extent BB. They all project their bias and ignorance that for economic prosperity the Arabs will change and soften their behavior and hatred of Israel. Not only do they show their ignorance of the mind of the Arabs and Islam but ignore the history and the dysfunctional politi known as the PA. They ignore the power of Arab tribalism and the crooks who run every element of pali society. No country except pre-WW2 Germany was ever disarmed & prevented on paper from having a military,,,, We know how that turned out?

    BB will, without doubt, jettison the right-wing coalition partners in favor of Ganz and Labor. Likud will not challenge him so whatever trump proposes Israel will say Amen. It’s all predetermined.

24. Kushner stated that they want Pals to have ONE unity government for both Gaza and West Bank. They intend to define Borders. Clearly they are talking about a Pal State. If it is demilitarized or NOT that we do not yet know.

    Basic Problem One any Pal State created means war with Israel is more likely and not less. NO Pal State will create peace because all the Pal Organizations want to destroy Israel.

    Gantz has already come out and said a Pal State would be good for Israel. I believe Bibi would dance around it so as NOT to piss off Trump but would not actually agree to it. He expects the Pals to bail him out of predicaments.

    Unlikely the Trump plan ever works because it takes two to agree. Gantz if he gets to be PM is likely to make unilateral concessions with or without the Trump and is a danger to the future of Israel.

25. Naftali Bennett Sees Trump Plan as ‘Clear and Immediate Danger’

    BB’s Trap of the right No party to the right of BB can counter the Unity peace Gov BB will assemble to approve the Trump plan. He will as in the past use the right to get the nomination and then dump them for the left to pass his suicide plan for Israel. IMO Best to not vote Likud. The so-called right never learns!!!
    

    Education Minister Naftali Bennett declared Monday evening following an interview on Sky News Arabic with White House Middle East adviser Jared Kushner, that the people of Israel is facing a “clear and immediate danger right before our eyes, and that is the establishment of a Palestinian state.”

    In the coming elections, said Bennett, the question is clear: “right, or ‘Palestine.’”

    Chairman of the “New Right” Party, Bennett, responded Monday to statements made by President Donald Trump’s White House adviser on the Middle East peace plan, Jared Kushner, regarding the Trump Administration’s upcoming Deal of the Century proposal for Israel and’

    “Jared’s words prove what we already know,” Bennett said, “that the day after the elections, the Americans will push the Netanyahu-Lapid-Ganz government to allow the establishment of a Palestinian state on Route 6, to agree to the division of Jerusalem – and Netanyahu will be forced to acquiesce.

    “Netanyahu and Trump are coordinating the timing of the plan’s release to be immediately after the elections. Even the crawling into the coalition of the left wing Lapid-Ganz party is already understood.

    “There is only one way to prevent this, and that is with a strong and powerful ‘New Right’ party, that will recommend Netanyahu, but will exert counter-pressure to stop the establishment of a Palestinian state.

    “In the upcoming election, the question posed is ‘right or Palestine’.”

26. I agree with Bennett

    BB pulled that bait and switch crap on the right before,

    Trump Adviser Jared Kushner: ‘We Want to Bring Peace, Not Fear’
    By Hana Levi Julian – 21 Adar I 5779 – February 25, 2019

    White House adviser Jared Kushner
    Top White House adviser to President Donald Trump on Middle East affairs, Jared Kushner, told Sky News Arabic in an Arabic-language interview broadcast Monday that since “very little has changed over the last 25 years” the Trump team working on the peace plan wanted to focus simply on what works best now.

    It is better, he said, to “formulate realistic solutions for the issues of 2019 which will improve quality of life. We want to bring peace, not fear. We want to ensure there is free flow of people and of goods. We must create new opportunities.”

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    Kushner linked the peace plan between political and economic tracks, according to a Google translation of his remarks in the Sky News Arabic interview.

    He said in the interview, “We have focused on what prevents the Palestinian people from taking full advantage of their capabilities to integrate properly into the region.

    “If we look at the entire region today, we see that there are a lot of opportunities, and . . . by bringing together the different parties we hope to find a new approach,” he said.

    “I do not think that the economic impact of the plan will be limited to Israelis and Palestinians,” Kushner added, “but [rather] will include the entire region, including Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon.

    “The political plan is very detailed and focuses on demarcation and final status issues, but the goal of resolving the border issue is to eliminate these borders; and if we can remove the border and move peace away from intimidation, this can guarantee the free flow of people and goods, creating new opportunities.”

    He linked the plan between the political and economic tracks, saying that reducing tensions between the Palestinian Authority and Israel would “improve the chances for the Palestinian economy, which has been restricted in the absence of peace.”

    He also expressed the hope there would be a single PA government to rule Judea, Samaria and Gaza, saying, “There is a geographical separation between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, but we would like to see them unified under one rule, which would allow the Palestinian people to live the life they aspire to.”

    As for Iranian activities aimed at igniting the region, Kushner described the provocations as “the biggest source of instability in the region.”

    The Middle East peace plan is expected to be rolled out following Israel’s upcoming elections on April 9.

27. Is Bennett running for PM? If so, then this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. He’s just trying to discredit Bibi in the eyes of the Israeli right.