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By Ted Belman

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April 16, 2020 | 8,793 Comments »

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  1. SEB-

    Thereby showing your own ignorance and lack of REAL humour appreciation. You are far too busy as the site clown.. You just like the “loonies” who made their living by being outrageous and incomprehensible to intelligent listeners.

    You accuse me, as you do, of reading incomprehension and more, is to show your own tattered background . I have a background in 19th cent English Litt.

    I’ve mentioned this some years ago, but likely your own reading comprehension was not sufficiently developed to understand my post.
    Others did-and DO, …..????

    Some differences between us I put down to the generational gap, but others, ad hominum attacks etc…pure malice disguised as “ironic humour”…..

    I said that all sniping between us was finished, but you chose to start it up again. Well I’m an adult and you are a……WIKI “researcher”.!!!

  2. Iranians were heard commenting this helicopter crash where people were making sure and hoping that that no one survived!!! Talking about the dead Butcher or Tehran, who been responsible for 1000s of dead Iranians.

  3. HONEYBEE-
    Normally, kidding aside I have some respect for your observations.

    But ONE thing I just can NOT stand from an adult, is pseudo baby talk, which you constant emit as a form of cumbersome raillery.

    Your on line “love affair” for all and sundry is as phony as your fake Texan
    “lingo”/ I have read many social texts which contain many quotes ,on Texas, and nowhere, except in the hilly country do they even approximate your scattered pseudo-talk.
    I even had a Texan girl friend for a couple of years and she spoke literate English, only rarely using “you-all”….

  4. @Edgar

    .is all that tommyrot supposed to be funny haha or funny crazy???

    Both. If you re-read my preamble, with dramatically upgraded reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, you’d see the point. But, I’m wasting my breath trying to communicate with someone whose idea of humor is Myron Cohen.

  5. Seb-

    Honestly, be honest eith me….is all that tommyrot supposed to be funny haha or funny crazy???

    It must be the latter because there’s not a 1/4 of a laugh in the whole 6 pages of rubbish .Alice in Wonderland maybe, although TG I never read it, having more common sense than the average kid.

    My sense of humour required REAL humour not zany mouthings that the “clever” people like so much.

  6. Some of you may recall, a real-life joke/anecdote i told in which the punchline was that the thing that binds us Jews together as a people, the single most important principle is that we all desperately wannabe Asians.

    Well, that doesn’t seem to apply in Israel – pehaps because now they’re “Western Asians?” – I dunno – but who would have ever thought that Israeli liberals desperately wannabe Hungarians?

    Apparently the capitulationist Deep State folks took to heart Robert Fulghum’s “Everything I ever needed to know, I learned in kindergarden.” But, go figure they meant everything I learned in Kindergarden. to whit:

    “The Truest Adventures of the Truthful Mountain Boy”
    (from “Once Upon a Time, Forty Hungarian Folk Tales” edited by Gyula Ilyes, Corvina Press. Hungary 1964, 1970. Typed from the book for Israpundit by SZ. I left out the accents and the umlauts because, well, it’s just too much trouble. Sebastien has an accent, too. It’s French.)

    “One day I realized that my father wanted to get married to my mother. He said to me:

    “Go the mill and have flour ground for the wedding-feast.”

    I jumped to my feet in a flash, as any sprightly lad would, looked for an inside-out-sack, took three satchels up to the attic, filled nine bags with wheat that was just like acorns and threw all nine bags on my shoulder and took them out to the wagon.

    I led the oxen out to harness them up, but neither would take his usual place. So, I put the one where the other belonged; the right side ox I put on the left and the left-side ox I put on the right, and they would not go properly, either. So I put the handle of the shovel in the one rod’s place and the knitting needle where the other belonged and that was that.

    When I reached the mill, I halted the oxen and drove the whip into the ground so that they would not take off without me. then I went into the mill to call the miller and ask him to help me carry in the wheat.

    But there was not a soul to be seen inside the mill. I looked all around, under the bed and behind the oven, and saw that the pitcher was not on its nail. From that I knew that the mill had gone to gather strawberries. I thought to myself that if that’s the way it was, I’d just have to wait for it to come home; but then I remembered that the mill took its time coming home as a rule and I might even have grey hair by the time it got there. Nor would it do to have the oxen wait for a couple of years, for I had nothing to give them to eat.

    I sped after the mill, all the way up the mountain peak, and there it was, sniffing among the bushes. I cut myself a heavenly club and began banging it on both sides as hard as I could. I was just about to whack it a good one when I heard it tremble down in the valley far away, and it was grinding and clattering, and on my wheat at that.

    In order to get down to the valley from the peak as fast as possible, I lay down and began rolling. After me came all the tree-stumps that were only bits of straw. They wanted to keep me company. Nothing happened to them, and me – I only scratched my nose a bit in the soft meadow mud, but when I got to my feet there was still some mud left in the meadow. More miserable was the poor white horse that had been eating grass at the foot of the mountain, for he got so terrified when he saw us that he trotted right out of the world, taking along the shackle that was clamped to one of his hooves. Nor has he ever come back.

    I rubbed my nose in the grass like the hens do, and went to see if the oxen were still where I’d left them. Well, my whip handle had conceived there in the ground, and a tree was growing out of it, the size of a tower. But there were so many starling babies nested in it that the hum of the mill could not be heard over their chirping.

    To be sure, I was overjoyed, for here was my chance to catch as many young starlings as I pleased. I’m good as can be at climbing trees. Up in the tree, I stuck in my hand, but then it wouldn’t fit in the nest, so I tried my head and that went in fine. I filled my jacket up with little starlings. When I tried to get back out of the hole, I couldn’t get through, so I ran home for my axe and chopped my way out.

    But I couldn’t climb down for the tree trunk was thick and I felt dizzy, so I called to the miller to help me. The miller thought that the trouble was that I had got hungry, and he had his son bring me some biscuits. But I told the boy in no uncertain terms that that wouldn’t answer and he ran right off and brought me a bushel of bran, which he pushed up to me on the end of a pole. I twisted such a strong rope out of it that you could pull a millstone up with it. I lowered it down to see if it would reach the ground, but since it wouldn’t, I lowered down twice as much and that was more than sufficient. I started to climb down on the rope, but a worm on one of the branches bit into it and cut right through it, and I came tumbling down together with the rope.

    But, just before I reached the ground, the young starlings in my jacket sprouted wings and feathers and began to fly, carrying me along with them. As we flew over the river, some women who were washing rags in the river, called out:

    “What’s that child doing to fly so well? If he falls, he’ll fall right into the river and drown!”

    I could see them all looking up at me, but I couldn’t hear clearly what they were calling out because of the birds’ chirping. I thought they were telling me to pull out my shirt. So I pulled my shirt tail out of my jacket and my wings all flew away and I dropped right down in the middle of the river.

    With my plopping into the river, all the water splashed out and made waves all the way to the foot of the mountain. When the water returned – with the exception of what a hungry sheepdog lapped up of it – so many fish were left behind that they covered the land from Manas to Doboj and from Arkos to Angyalos. Well, that was a lot of fish. Twelve buffalo-drawn wagons came and went for a solid week, taking fish at each trip, but you couldn’t even tell that any were missing. then along came a gipsy lad from Korospatak who put all the fish in his shirt and took them home.

    Then I remembered that I had not been sent out to play, but to grind wheat. I went back to where I left the oxen to see if they were still there. I walked so long that I was exhausted. Soon I came to a meadow and saw a horse grazing and thought to myself that it would be much more comfortable to ride him back than to walk. So I started out after him, but he did not wait for me to catch up. I grabbed his tail, yanked it and made him face me. I said to him: “Whoa there, lazybones! Don’t be afraid!” He understood the good word and stood stock-still. I saddled the gray horse, mounted the brown horse and rode off at such a speed on the white one that the ground broke beneath me.

    We passed by an orchard on our way, and it was filled with all sorts of nice ripe fruit. I halted the gray horse, dismounted the brown horse and tied the white horse to the hedge. I tried to jump over the fence but I couldn’t, so I grabbed hold of my hair and hoisted myself over. In the orchard I shook the plum-tree, and when walnuts began to fall all about me, I picked up as many hazelnuts as would go into my jacket.

    It was terribly hot and I was terribly thirsty. I saw some reapers not far off and asked them to tell me where there was some water. They told me of a spring not far off. But when I got there, it was frozen over! I tried to break the ice with my heel and then with a rock, but it was thick as could be. So I took my head and broke the ice easily with it, drank my fill, and that was that.

    I went back to the fence and to the hedge, hoisted myself over by my hair again, untied the gray horse, mounted the brown one and rode off on the white one at such a speed that my hair hung down in the wind.

    There were two men standing on the path; when we came up to them, they called out to me:

    “Hey there, what happened to your head?”

    I felt my back, and sure enough, my head was missing! Back I raced to the spring, and what did I see? My head had got bored without me, and when it saw that I had left it there it made hands, neck, back and legs for itself out of mud and was skating along merrily on the ice. I was pretty good myself at gliding on ice, and I tried to catch my head, but it was an even better skater and I was completely unsuccessful.

    My God, now what would become of me? I was afraid that I would have to stay without a head, but then I thought of something and told myself not to lose my head! I made a grey-hound out of mud and told him to go get my head, which he did in a flash. I quickly put it back on my neck, went to the hedge, pulled myself over by my hair, untied the gray horse, mounted the brown one and rode off as fast as a bird on the white horse.

    When I reached the mill, I saw that my father had not had the patience to wait for me at home and so he’d come to search for me. When he couldn’t find me, he began to weep and wail.

    “Oh, my dear son, what has happened to you? Oh, oh, why did I ever send you out alone? Oh, my dear son, now you’re gone and perished forever!”

    I never would have thought, after all the beatings and lectures I’d got from my father that he was capable of mourning me like this. When I saw his agony, I called out from far off:

    “Don’t weep, father dear, for I’m here. A bad axe doen’t get lost so easily!”

    I brought back the spirit to my father’s soul. We loaded the bags of flour onto the wagon, went home and celebrated my father’s wedding. The bride was my mother, and I danced the bride’s dance with her first and then came the others.

    When the celebration was over, everyone left and we stayed there by ourselves, and if we’re not dead, we’re living there still.

    I was born a year later, for I am my father’s legitimate child, and I grew into a clever lad.”

    FIN

  7. The antisemitic Ilhan Omar is stripped of her position on the Foreign Affairs Committee, and her many antisemitic comments, claims and advocacies are specifically cited as the basis for her long overdue removal. She should also be removed from the Congress, prosecuted for the electoral, immigration and tax violations which she has committed, and kicked out of the country for having lied in her immigration application. But her being stripped of her committee assignment is a good start.

  8. Copter carrying Iran’s President makes hard landing in East Azerbaijan

    Reports indicate that contact has been made with “Raisi’s companions” but no comment is being made on the status of Raisi himself. Also 16 rescue teams are inbound to the location of the crash, but due to terrain and weather, these will be delayed.

  9. I look at Isael and Ukraine as two theaters of the same war; and I am cheering for Israel. on the other front, here’s a snapshot of how Russia is doing:

    Russian losses in the war in Ukraine for the period from May 16 to May 17 amounted to 1,410 occupiers. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed 38 enemy artillery systems, two aircraft, and one helicopter, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    The total Russian combat losses from February 24, 2022 to May 17, 2024 are estimated as follows:

    Personnel: 489,870 (+1,400) eliminated
    Tanks: 7,547 (+18) units
    APV (Armored personnel vehicles): 14,552 (+14) units
    Artillery systems: 12,603 (+38) units
    MLRS (Multiple launch rocket systems): 1,071 (+1) units
    Anti aircraft warfare systems: 800 (+2) units
    Aircraft: 353 (+2) units
    Helicopters: 326 (+1) units
    UAV operational-tactical level: 10,073 (+45) units
    Cruise missiles: 2,200 units
    Warships/boats: 26 units
    Submarines: 1 unit
    Vehicles and fuel tanks: 17,104 (+56) units
    Special equipment: 2,069 (+7) units

    American losses in 10 years of fighting in Vietnam:

    almost 10,000 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs (3,744 planes, 5,607 helicopters and 578 UAVs ).
    198 tanks were lost…
    58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties
    We didn’t lose any ships during the war, but two ships did suffer some battle damage. — Wikipedia

    Those are the best estimates I could find offhand. After two years of Russian in Ukraine (the “special operation”, vs. 10 years of the US in Vietnam (a “police action”),

    1. Russia lost 8 x as many troops
    2. Russia lost 10 x as many tanks
    3. The US lost 11 x as many fixed-wing aircraft
    4, The US lost 17 x as many helicopters
    5. The Russians lost 27 ships, including a fleet flagship and a submarine; US lost no ships.

    These are obviiously very different types of wars from each other; but even in about a year of fighting in WWI, the US lost only 53,402 battle deaths and 63,114 non combat deaths. — a fraction of current Russian losses.

  10. Good for them. It’s good to read about those who have moral clarity and are standing up to the mob.

    “EXCLUSIVE :TOP MUSICIANS URGE CONCERTGEBOUW TO READMIT ISRAELI QUARTET
    NEWS
    Norman Lebrecht
    May 15, 2024
    Almost a hundred musicians have rallied overnight to petition the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam to reverse its ban on two concerts this week by the Jerusalem Quartet. The concerts were called off ‘to gurantee the safety of employees, visitors and musicians.’
    Outraged musicians have acccused the Dutch administrators of capitulating to mob rule…”

  11. “EXCLUSIVE :TOP MUSICIANS URGE CONCERTGEBOUW TO READMIT ISRAELI QUARTET
    NEWS
    Norman Lebrecht
    May 15, 2024
    Almost a hundred musicians have rallied overnight to petition the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam to reverse its ban on two concerts this week by the Jerusalem Quartet. The concerts were called off  ‘to gurantee the safety of employees, visitors and musicians.’
    Outraged musicians have acccused the Dutch administrators of capitulating to mob rule…”

    https://slippedisc.com/2024/05/exclusive-top-musicians-urge-concertgebouw-to-readmit-israeli-quartet/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2Z2n6AvIZv8O4I7KY1qKYakmzgXeYBusfSHX0N1LzRszBGI2IViX9hNuk_aem_AQBhXxmfq7dVznehX1FDokoCK4sN8uhsFe6yvgukOJsoPx8yF1O-mFiBRaNaOGXGj527lwmWqXZpbOpWDjQhSjrU

  12. One of my favorite films: Le Concert

    “Many years ago, Andrei Simoniovich Filipov (Aleksei Guskov) was fired as conductor of the Bolshoi Orchestra for hiring Jewish musicians. Now a janitor, he learns that members of the orchestra have been invited to perform in Paris. Andrei gathers his former players and plans to substitute them for the current ones, and he hopes that a beautiful virtuoso (Mélanie Laurent) will accompany them.”

    Moving and funny. I saw it when it came out in the theater. I own the DVD but it can be watched online.

    Le Concert https://g.co/kgs/kmzB4d8

  13. So long

    Given me a headache trying to read that Antisemitism in Russia report Antisemitism which is unending. And they still have Trotsky banned. And Putin attacks the Russian Revolution of 1917.

    And Neocons seek his overthrow and gamble with nuclear war.

    I unhesitatingly defend Putin against the neocons and Blinken.

    It’s not complicated if you prefer to go on living. But how can the Putin leadership be an answer ?

  14. Soviet antisemitism
    Accounts of Soviet antisemitic discrimination just posted by a Facebook friend who is fairly famous pianist from Soviet Kazakhstan though now an American. Her experience is in the comment.

    “In 1979, I entered the Bio-faculty of Moscow State University, and on the very first math exam, I got a variant of tasks, as they say “to leave”, but I thought it was my kind of “happiness”. Only then did I begin to guess that it could have been related to my father’s Jewish surname, although the passport contained my mother’s Ukrainian…
    Love for math helped me get the highest possible mark in this variant – 3, since only 3 out of 5 problems could be solved there even according to the opinion of the mathematicians taking this exam.
    I’m making a note on this subject:

    Author – Natella Boltyanskaya

    Jewish tasks: this is how Jewish entrants in Soviet universities were “beaten”

    In March 1983, 40 years ago, the Jewish People’s University stopped working. What was that ? First is a club created in 1978 in Moscow for Jewish children who failed in exams at the Moscow State University because of national affiliation, blocking their way to science. Creators – Bella Subbotovskaya, Valery Senderov, Boris Kamensky. Subsequently, the club became an illegal “people’s university”, considering that since 1979, it has been recruiting up to a hundred students a year.

    Here is the story of Julia Ratner, the mother of one of the children who failed the exam, about how students were taken to the UNU groups:

    “… An unlucky applicant leaves, and three people are waiting for him on the steps of the university. Valery Senderov, Boris Kanevsky and Bella Subbotovsky. They ask what were the problems, can we solve them during the exam or not… and nationality … These three have collected all the data based on these criteria… ”

    Not just collected – since 1978, complete collections of tasks given to Jewish applicants have been compiled. According to numerous reviews, these are the tasks of high complexity. Or that require a significant time to decide.

    In particular, academic Sakharov recalled in one of the interviews that he managed to solve one of the tasks assigned to Jewish applicants only after more than an hour of deliberation in the silence of his own home. While the applicant was given only 20 minutes, he knew his future was at stake, and opposite him sat impatiently hostile examiner looking at the clock.
    .
    French mathematician Ilan Vardi noted that he spent 6 weeks solving 25 such problems. These tasks were also called “coffin”, but applicants with “the disability of the fifth count” were grouped into groups, from which, in the optimal case, was supposed to overthrow everyone, in the extreme case, to accept one.

    In 1978, a collection of “grave” tasks was sent to the delegates of the International Congress of Mathematicians in Helsinki. According to the historian Alexander Daniel, “Congress was completely ruined because no one was making or listening to the reports. Everyone just went and solved these tasks. And there were those that the entire Congress failed to solve. The scandal was huge when the international mathematical community found out what tasks were offered to Jewish applicants at the Moscow State University.

    By the way, the Soviet authorities did not allow three authors of plenary reports and 11 – section reports to this very same Congress. And even after this congress, the world mathematical community directly accused a number of laureate Soviet mathematicians of anti-Semitism, including academics Pontryagin and Lupanov, correspondents Kostrikin and Shirshov. Defamatory articles were published about them, they were obstructed during their trips abroad. Only, unfortunately, these measures did not help Soviet Jews to enter universities, and not only to mehmat – Fiztech and some other universities were on the list of forbidden. According to many certificates, only the Moscow Institute of Transport Engineers were the Moscow Institute of Engineers of Transport (MIIT), the Road (MADI) and the Steel and Alloy Institute (MISi).

    Valery Senderov, who taught at the famous Moscow Second Mathematical School, not only created these problems, but also developed solutions techniques.

    According to the materials prepared by Senderov and Kanevsky, document 112 of the Moscow Helsinki Group was issued in 1979..

    Discrimination against Jews in admission to higher education is carried out through a well-designed system of lowering grades for Jews at entrance exams.
    The comparison of the fate of individual groups of Jewish applicants with similar groups of applicants from other nationalities seems to us most proves.
    One group consists of 47 people, among parents, grandparents who were not or were not identified as Jews. The second group of 40s, among parents, grandparents who were Jews. From the first group, 40 people were admitted to the Faculty of Mechanical and Mathematics of the Moscow State University (Mechmat MSU), and from the second group – 6.
    Children from mixed marriages choose the nationality of one of their parents. Nationality is marked in the passport, which a citizen of the USSR must obtain at the age of 16. The questionnaire, filled out by the applicant, contains a question about the nationality of the applicant, but not his/her parents. However, the applicant must specify the name and father of his father, mother and place of work in the form. This gives the opportunity to find out the nationality of the applicant up to the third knee. For example, out of the 17 applicants, whose mother or father are Jewish, only three received passing marks, although 10 of them are the winners of the high-ranking Mathematical Olympiad. At the same time, two of the accepted were children of professors, and the third was in a special position as a gold medalist. The presence of Jewish grandparents influenced the markings.
    The racist fervor of the commission sometimes led to misunderstandings. The appearance of one of the applicants seemed suspicious, and he undeservedly received a C on the written math exam and a C on the oral. The grades were changed to “four” and “three,” respectively, after his mother brought her son’s detailed pedigree over three generations to the adoption committee.
    The total number of admitted Jews and Russians with insufficiently pure genealogy does not exceed 10 with a total admission of 475 people.

    Chairman of the Admission Commission of the Moscow State University in 1979, as in 1978 , was dean of fur mata professor A. And. Kostrikin.

    Signatures: Elena Bonner, Sofia Kallistratova, Ivan Kovalev, Malva Landa, Naum Meiman, Tatyana Osipova, Yuri Yarym-Agaev. November 5, 1979

    Alas, for a long time such an educational fronda could not continue. The “People’s University” has existed for more than four years. And then, in 1982, Kanevsky and Senderov were arrested.

    Bella Subbotovsky is summoned to the KGB, where she is trying to prove that her desire to teach mathematics to Jewish teenagers is not criminal. Saturday night is very persistent. And on the evening of September 23, a truck hit her on a street in Moscow. The circumstances of the death and the clear unwillingness of the authorities to investigate the cause of the incident indicate that it could have been a homicide.

    The story of Julia Ratner, with the story of which we started this article, is also indicative. She went to an appointment with the dean of the faculty. It was a correspondent member of the AN USSR Alexei Ivanovich Kostrikin, repeatedly mentioned by the international community as anti-Semite. And asked him directly: “what, you don’t take Jews?” » The dean confirmed angrily: we do not take it. It couldn’t even occur to him that Julia had a dictaphone in her purse. With this recording, Julia went to meet foreign journalists. As a result, her son was allowed to appeal and was charged. Apparently, they expected her to show loyalty in return. But Julia prepared a report on the events, which went to both the Soviet “samizdat”, and to the foreign press. And once she was involved in a very strange car accident, after which she took a long and painful recovery.

    Boris Kanevsky received 5 years of reference. Valery Senderov – 7 years of camps plus 5 links. Released in 1987.

    “The Details”

    1 comment translated from Russian (though I had to type it in because the copy and paste only pasted the Russian original.)

    “I was failed at the entrance exam of music school. I was 6 years old then. They brought me a Solfeggio textbook for the seventh grade, they said, sing.

    But, their sneaky number didn’t come out. My mother just taught me to read the music notes and I had absolute hearing.

    A six year old chiild should be thrown over the meanness. At that poit, I only had to sing asong and some rhythmic figures, and that’s it.

    Republican special music school for gifted children. Kulyash Bayseitova in Almaty. As a type of CMSH. this is pure truth.

  15. So Long Mom – A Song for WWWIII – Tom Lehrer (1965). My mother, sister. And I used to sing – with my mother on the piano – from the Tom Lehrer song book when I was little in the ’60s. I memorized this one. I had all his records. He was also a mathematician, college lecturer. a nuclear researcher and worked at the NSA it was recently revealed.

    https://youtu.be/yrbv40ENU_o?si=f6-SuacO1fy04WGA

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer

  16. So Long Mom – A Song for WWWIII – Tom Lehrer (1965). My mother, sister. And I used to sing – with my mother on the piano – from the Tom Lehrer song book when I was little in the ’60s. I memorized this one. I had all his records. He was also a mathematician, college lecturer. a nuclear researcher at Los Alamos and worked at the NSA when its existence was a secret, it was recently revealed. One of the most brilliant satirists of all time. Very funny. This is a live performance.

    https://youtu.be/yrbv40ENU_o?si=f6-SuacO1fy04WGA

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer

  17. A misprint in previous. It is gambling with the earth and forcing into nuclear war with Russia over non neutrality of Ukraine

    There is a picture of Blinken with Zelensky. In my fevered and upset mind I saw only two devils, smirking at our only earth.

    It is also madness for Peloni to have attacked me for using Jacques Baud

    We can expose his Antisemitism.

    But his writtyexpertise shows the world the victim all along has been Russia

    There then followed weeks of silence from Peloni on Ukraine

    Michael plus three saw this

    Hope it’s not too late

  18. Incidentally, recent events have caused a shift in my position. I no longer believe there is a future for our people in the diaspora though many of us, including myself, are destined to die out in the desert. The youth are the future. Again.

  19. @Felix In the ’30s, he realized that getting rid of capitalism wouldn’t solve the problem of antisemitism. So, that isn’t really relevant here, is it? And, anyway, Israel was pretty much a socialist country in the beginning, wasn’t it? It worked for a while until it didn’t work anymore and they changed it though they still have kibbutzes and the federations of unions still have a lot of power.

    I’m reminded of the famous quote by Jabotinsky who also died around the same time as Trotsky and never lived to see Israel independence, in a letter to Chaim Weizman, Israel’s first president, who was a socialist, and which perfectly expresses my point of view now, it’s my favorite quote:

    “I can vouch for there being a type of Zionist who doesn’t care what kind of society our “state” will have; I’m that person. If I were to know that the only way to a state was via socialism, or even that this would hasten it by a generation, I’d welcome it. More than that: give me a religiously Orthodox state in which I would be forced to eat gefilte fish all day long (but only if there were no other way) and I’ll take it.”

  20. @Felix

    I can vouch for there being a type of Zionist who doesn’t care what kind of society our “state” will have; I’m that person. If I were to know that the only way to a state was via socialism, or even that this would hasten it by a generation, I’d welcome it. More than that: give me a religiously Orthodox state in which I would be forced to eat gefilte fish all day long (but only if there were no other way) and I’ll take it.

    – Jabotinsky (and me)

  21. No I mean his whole life from an early age he sought the overthrew of the international capitalist order and his girlfriend convinced him. He never abandoned this outlook. Lenin at the end turned against Stalin in 1923. Trotsky carried that fight against stalinism, internationally especially China, Spain and against the Nazis which is where 1933 comes in. This is the critical moment. I read it long ago, sensed the rage and desperation of Trotsky as he still analysed in detail how Hitler was handed power of that powerful German state. That was the moment. And it all came down to leadership. You should respect this man. Millions of Jews seeking and helping us all create a new humanity are going to adopt Trotsky. Am very sure of that. They only need truth to understand .We are all in the Hurracane, the new time of the Liberty for all.

  22. @Felix

    his whole life

    NO, the end of his life when he was just starting to think about it and no longer had any clout, and by which time it was already too late.

  23. The lesson of the Holocaust of the Jews is that it was all decided in 1933 when state power was handed to the Nazis on a plate.

    Only one political leadership got it right in 1933. Leon Trotsky called for united struggle to stop the Nazis.

    The German workers followed

    1. The Stalinist party

    2. The Social Democratic party

    They failed to unite to stop Hitler becoming Chancellor

    At that point it became from then on impossible to resist and stop the Nazis because they had the STATE POWER in their hands

    Do your own research about this…all of Trotsky’s writings are online and mostly free to read

    Investigate the year 1933

    What more can I do?

  24. Sebastien

    The pleasure is all mine

    So where are we at? At present Israpundit is in denial of modern science on viruses and climate change.

    At same time questions are being raised which need answers

    You seem close to what Kathleen Hayes writes on key issues.

    But sadly Hayes shows no respect for Trotsky

    So I approached it differently

    Quote

    “Shows me that Zorn has not learned the simplest things about the history of the Holocaust.

    And if Jews in the present day do not understand THAT then there’s little or no hope in the present.”

    I could have been clearer. Excuse is writing on phone. So may appear disjointed.

    Let me explain.

    The essence of the leadership of Trotsky in his whole life is when it comes to talking about the Holocaust it is factual that. THE HOLOCAUST COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

    It really didn’t have to have happened.

    What I mean is that you have lots of knowledge about Jews, yes no doubt about that, but you haven’t grasped that fact I have just put in capitals.

    And to do that you have to respect that man and all Jews today need to also.

    Moreover a lot will.

  25. @Felix Always a pleasure to be insulted by more-Jewish-than-thou goyim. Unable to answer my arguments proving you are wrong about Trotsky, you resort to ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments as usual and now you are going to pretend you are a victim, of course, and whine copiously, just like a Muslim. Behavior beneath contempt. I really should just ignore you.

  26. Sebastien

    I repeat review of Resistance

    I want people to listen to this again.

    Esp the part where woman emphasises how dangerous is this ideology of Antisemitism

    Quote

    Resistance They fought back

    There are some short reviews. I liked this one

    https://youtu.be/ss2sNx0H1j8?si=N-wO2GqxwJNw70gW

    1. Stalin created that vacuum by removing Trotsky in August 1940

    2. Into that vacuum stepped all since…Leon, on to present in Malmö aimed at Pogrom against Jewish singer

    My Viewpoint

    Every bad thing follows from this vacuum of leadership in human society

    If you reject my interpretation come up with an alternative.

  27. Ted thanks for digging out posts

    Sebastien

    I seek to show she blurs the issue

    Leon…forget Zionism, stay there, keep assimilating

    Trotsky…by no means. Jews must asap get out of hell Europe and get to Palestine . Live.

    A very important position.

    Doesn’t Hayes play down Trotsky?

  28. The past week, Russia has undergone MASSIVE power shifts.

    https://youtu.be/FOZOAxHcV20

    A year ago, the most important movers were Putin, Prigozhin, Shoigu, Surovikin, Kadyrov and Gerasymov, and Nikolai Patrushev headed the National Security Council.

    Now Prigozhin and all his close associates “fell from the sky” in full view of waiting cameras, Kadyrov has taken ill, Surovikin, who has been credited with building the strong defensive network that stopped the Ukrainian offensive, has been put out of action, Shoigu’s #2 has been deposed and carted off to a gulag, and now Shoigu himself has been put out of power in a “lateral promotion” in which he is replacing Patrushev.

    Only Gerasymov remains intact… and of course, Putin.

  29. @Felix He changed his position in the ’30s and she quotes from this article to which she embedded a link..

    “‘During my youth,’ he wrote in 1937, ‘I rather leaned toward the prognosis that the Jews of different countries would be assimilated and that the Jewish question would thus disappear, as it were, automatically. The historical development of the last quarter of a century has not confirmed this view’.[21] ”

    “[21] Trotsky, ‘Interview with Jewish Correspondents in Mexico’, 1937.”

    Leon Trotsky’s Long War Against Antisemitism
    by Alan Johnson

    https://fathomjournal.org/the-fathom-long-read-leon-trotskys-long-war-against-antisemitism/

  30. To editors…to replace previous attempts which did not go through

    The Peculiar Afterlife of Abram Leon by Kathleen Hayes (Sept. 2023)

    I wouldn’t say the debate is raging over Abram Leon, that’s the problem – there is no debate

    And sadly his in a certain sense Antisemitism has been imbibed by the modern “left”

    Also as well as the fact of Leon the writing of Kathleen Hayes is adding to the problem

    I repeat this involves all recent street Antisemitism even those Pogrom actions by Antisemites around Eurovision in Malmö

    The experience of Malmö Eurovision was really the experience of a Jew in a Pogrom

    The young Jewish singer was taken to the venue in a police armoured convoy and if the attackers had succeeded they would have torn her limb from limb

    All effected, even determined, by unresolved questions concerning the problem ideas of Leon.

    I will now briefly place as quotation a paragraph from Kathleen Hayes. This has been referred to on Israpundit by Sebastien Zorn. She followed this paragraph up with an attack on Marx which I will cover separately.

    Quote

    “But we do have the advantage of hindsight, and according to the standards of our terrible knowledge, Leon’s beliefs and actions deserve harsh criticism. He didn’t only sacrifice his own life, after all: he advocated that European Jewry follow his lead. He urged his fellow Jews to reject the Zionists and the promise of Palestine, and stay in Europe to fight for socialist revolution. History delivered instead Auschwitz. This fact calls into question: everything.”

    But Kathleen Hayes that was the position of the tragic Abram Leon.

    It was most definitely not the position of the great socialist leader Leon Trotsky

    Let’s put it this way

    1. Trotsky urged Jews at all costs to get out of Europe

    2. He urged Jews to create their separate homeland in Palestine

    3. He urged Jews to get to safety there in their own independent land

    (In other words Jews could only be safe with the protection of their own state)

    That latter statement is “the” Trotskyist position in history.

    He stated his position. He did not ever change his mind.

    In creating a Trotskyist Party that’s the position we go back to…to the position of Leon Trotsky

    (I can’t help but notice that this lady Kathleen Hayes does create confusion on this point)

    Trotsky was assassinated in August 1940

    And the building of a Trotskyist Party, proving now as we speak so critical for masses of people, must go back precisely to there.

  31. The Peculiar Afterlife of Abram Leon by Kathleen Hayes (Sept. 2023)

    I submitted a piece to this. Not exhaustive but I made a couple of points. Not appeared.

    I wouldn’t say the debate is raging over Abram Leon, that’s the problem – there is no debate

    And sadly his Antisemitism has been imbibed by the modern “left”

    Also as well as the fact of Leon the writing of Kathleen Hayes is adding to the problem

    Ted need not bother re my lost post. I will rewrite and add to it.

    I repeat this involves all recent street Antisemitism even those Pogrom actions by Antisemites around Eurovision in Malmö

    All effected, even determined, by unresolved questions concerning the problem ideas of Leon.

    I will now briefly place as quotation a paragraph from Kathleen Hayes. She followed up with an attack on Marx which I will cover separately.

    Quote

    “But we do have the advantage of hindsight, and according to the standards of our terrible knowledge, Leon’s beliefs and actions deserve harsh criticism. He didn’t only sacrifice his own life, after all: he advocated that European Jewry follow his lead. He urged his fellow Jews to reject the Zionists and the promise of Palestine, and stay in Europe to fight for socialist revolution. History delivered instead Auschwitz. This fact calls into question: everything.”

    I will later deal with some very strange things about what is contained above.

    It concerns dates and obvious previous separation of Leon from Leon Trotsky.

    This fact doesn’t surprise me at all.

    …Leon Trotsky was saying very different. Hayes should know this but doesn’t really make the key connection.

    To continue…

  32. Trotsky was all about *human initiative*
    Hayes is opposed to the socialist revolution, lies and slanders against the 1917 workers and peasants revolution. That’s why Sebastien Zorn latches on to her essay.

    Hayes refers to a “desultory response to antisemitic roiling such as the Dreyfus affair; a dogmatic insistence on universalism and denial of Jewish particularism”.

    Precisely the opposite of Trotsky

    Then the biggest and stupidest lie of all comes here

    “The smoke of the gas chambers has still not dispersed; in fact, society’s vision is cloudier than ever. Deutscher, Trotsky and Leon believed that freedom for the Jews would come with the inexorable march of progress, only to see the Jews suffer unimaginable horrors as barbarism triumphed instead. ”

    From the time of Karl Marx the idea of “automatic progress” is denied
    That’s why Marx fought to build a leadership party

    Lenin and Trotsky built on exactly that concept of LEADERSHIP PARTY. Precisely because AUTOMATIC PROGRESS is a no no for this outlook.

    The whole of Trotsky is based on that. He proved this (the essence of leadership) in fighting the role played by Stalin. 1918 to 1940. Proving there is only one everlasting principle which is the absolute fundamental role of leadership – implying that nothing is automatic. And Hayes seems to disagree.

    So Trotsky cannot be implicated as Hayes does in such a false concept.