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April 16, 2020 | 8,496 Comments »

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  1. Alexander Mercouris of the famous Duran counterpoises these 3 items

    1. Trump if any more nonsense from Zelensky he Trump will walk away
    2. An amazing and outrageous speech from Zelensky saying in so many words…”Screw Trump no surrender we want all”
    3. A response from Trump to that to Zelensky which is totally conciliatory

    https://youtu.be/aVt70aKH8KM?si=dgfoe4N0yktkIMLs

  9. when I was a young man, an old man told me; when you wrestle with a greased pig, you will never be able to hold onto him or ever be able to win an argument.

  10. @Edgar Then how do you know what I look like? Nice stream of silly ad hominem attacks, by the way. Taking lessons from Felix?

  11. You narcissistic so and so. I’ve been talking to you only. .If vivarto holds the same opinions of you that I have, I can .only commend his good sense.

    You gratuitously insult me for no reason, and then attribute my opinion of you to be a copy of another.
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    As for my Jewish and historical opinions they are all backed by solid evidence and paraphrased with my own totally logical and proven opinions.

    You need Zeitlin to give you some grounding/ I read Zeitlin already over 45 years ago, and much, much more since and before. All the pros and cons are in my library and mind.

    That you are too stupid to understand the natural steps from theory to facts, …..Welllll…….Get an education before criticizing one who has already had 50 years start on you.
    I know not much can be expected from American pseudo-Jews who’ve recently taken up Judaism as a new toy.

    How long before discarding it for, say, Zoroastrianism, or Mandean, or even the same mashuggena Christian cult that several on this site indulge in. You’d be welcome there where maybe nowhere else.

    Don’t bother your scattered wits to respond, I won’t reply.

  12. @Edgar Beachball is good for one. You’ve been talking to Vivarto. another pompously annoying fellow.

  13. SEB-

    Where once you always made sense, your wanderings in and out of fake religious cults and smoking the wrong stuff have addled your brains like addled eggs.

    When you climb down to normality-if you ever to , and stop feeding us those crappy TV loony shows, you may be able to rationalise your past behaviour.

    And go on a crash diet, meaning cutting out treife. and chazar generally. Kosher is better.
    It’ll improve your supersize beachball figure.

  14. So, 2 Ukrainian synagogues firebombed, Putin orders freed Russian hostage to thank Hamas and compares Israel to Nazi Germany. Seriously, a plague on both their houses.

    By contrast, there was not one anti-semitic demonstration to greet PM Bibi Netanyahu’s visit to pro-Israel Hungary.

  15. I explained what TM meant in the same post which Edgar only half read. No wonder his biblical questions make no sense.

  18. Mike-

    It just occurred to me that TM was trans. med, with that phont maharesh Do Do.

    The only one I respected was Yogananda of many years ago , a proven Guru and more than that.

  22. READER-

    Another thing which may be of interest. I think in John somewhere it was said “Thou art a man (so he was just a human being- a man) not yet 50″……………….

    Since he is reputed to have been born about 8-9 BCE this mythical guy would have then been about 45-47…

    Interesting ????

  23. READER-

    There is strong evidence that the mythical Jesus was still alive in 37 Ce, since John, the supposed forerunner, who actually didn’t know who Jesus was , was still alive then.

    I’ve written about it before that Agrippa who held John (a historical person) begged the Roman Gov. at Damascus to help him after Aretas of Nabataea defeated him, and the Gov had to ask Tiberius . The Gov, on reaching Jerusalem was told that Tib had died, and this was in March 37.

    John was then still alive and asked who was this Jesus ???

  24. READER-

    If you log out and then back in it should fix the edit.

    As for the purported crucifixion, it never happened. The Goyim can’t even get the date right.

    Why should just one single execution of a zealot be remembered out of tens of thousands….???? Never would.

    It was the fairy tales in the anonymous Gospels which began that story. They were a completely unknown, tiny sect amongst dozens of others all differing only slightly, but completely Jewish in belief.

    Then the half mythical Paul came along, got an epileptic fit and saw visions, heard voices, a liar extraordinaire, who made up out of his fits or imagination everything we now see as Christianity, which of course developed over the centuries producing rituals which were never seen before.

    It was not until the 14th cent that Europe became Christianised along the Baltic coast, the last holdouts, and then only vaguely.

  25. I can’t edit my comment.

    The crucifixion occurred (if it ever did) on their Easter which has nothing to do with Pesach.

    When the year 1 was they determined 500 yeas later.

  26. @Sebastien Zorn

    Crucifixion did not occur on Pesach.

    Christians do not use the Jewish calendar to discuss the religious issues such as, for example, was Jesus 30 or 33 years old at the time of the events in the Gospels.

    I know this for a fact.

  28. @Edgar

    normal people liky myself.

    😀

    Good one. Really fits u.

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    https://youtu.be/V2hlQkVJZhE?si=ARfjVz1g2yr-E9M7

  29. SEB-

    You certainly HAVE changed…..At one time you always understood my comments and said we were symbiotic and you always looked forward to my posts.

    WeeeL…How have the mighty fallen indeed.

    i suppose that your more recent ventures into to stratosphere of deep sea politics has atrophied your brain to a degree where you no longer understand the utterances of normal people liky myself.

    Well….So be it….!!!

  30. @Edgar I have no idea what you are talking about. I played Jewish melodies in a senior citizen center last week and i got Chanukha and Pesach mixed up. When somebody corrected me, I suppressed the urge to quip, ” We Jews are like Mexicans; we have a national holiday every week. 😀

    Is that a misinformed counter-missionary site? Never heard of it before and know or care next to nothing about the subject but As far as I know, it couldn’t be more authoritative since it randomly popped up on my Facebook newsfeed thanks to the wonders of AI and I agree with the politics.
    😀

    As for smoking grass, I gave it up in the ’80s, though not soon enough, because, as I learned to my detriment, the reason it’s dangerous is that it can lead to cigarettes. But, on the bright side, I retained the skill of giggling at self-serious campy nonsense.

    A side note: I see the Woke have altered the meaning of Camp which, to my generation usually meant UNINTENTIONALLY and self-seriously ridiculous, pompous, cheesy, cliched, arrogant., biliously supercilious. Think Felix. 😀

  33. SEB-

    You’re smoking that stuff again…..Pesach is ALWAYS on NISAN 14th, erev Pesach 13th NISAN.

    as for discussing the crucifixion, all your info seems to come from the NEW Test, with is not only fake but totally unreliable. Erhart says it’s forged hvaing been anonymouis to 2 1/2 cent before the present names were given to it. Marky Lukey Johnny Mattie..etc.

    Other authorities say the same. so it is totally true.

    What do you want to discuss about the vrul Roman penalty???…if it tickles or not>>>???

  34. Credit must be given to the very perceptive interview which Glenn Diesel did with the wonderful courageous Diana Panchenko.

    There are so many lessons to be drawn from her evidence drawn from her living experience of revolution and counterrevolution

    She may not be aware but these were the same lessons at the heart of Trotsky’s writings throughout the 1930s

    Especially of

    Hitler taking power in 1933
    The collapse of Anarchists to Franco in 1936 Spain
    The lessons from the disastrous Popular Front in many countries

    Diana spelled out the reality of the Nazi Coup on the Maidan in February 2022

    And the correct conclusions the Russian people drew

    Trotsky had everything to say about that

    Only a total reactionary would be seeking to deny that.

  35. In January 2023, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) declared that it suspected her of producing and disseminating content justifying the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[14] In October 2023, the SBU announced that it was carrying out a pre-trial investigation into Panchenko, suspecting her of high treason committed under martial law.[15][16]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Panchenko

    In September 2024, Jeanne Cavelier of Reporters Without Borders described Panchenko’s work as follows: “Diana Panchenko is a professional propagandist who imitates journalistic news videos to spread Kremlin-backed disinformation to Russian-speaking – and now English-speaking – audiences. By twisting facts to conform to the official Russian narrative, she pollutes the information space with falsehoods about Ukraine and other international subjects that interest Russia. RSF condemns the manipulative actions of this Russian propaganda agent, who compromises the right to reliable information.” The article also stated that Diana Panchenko currently resided in Dubai.[17]

     In return, Panchenko called on Reporters Without Borders to be honest, accusing the organization of being funded by governments and functioning as a PR agency. She claimed that despite their increasing funding, freedom of speech continues to diminish.[18]

  37. The world-famous Hungarian Jewish conductor, István Kertész, has passed away. in Kefar Sava, Israel. April 16, 2025

  38. @Edgar Here’s another with only some duplication:

    Let’s discuss the crucifixion, Fridays and “Good Friday.”

    It is a basic principles of Judaism that no preparation work may be performed on a Festival day.

    Therefore if a Festival falls on a Friday, any preparations for Shabbat must be made earlier, before the Festival begins. In such an instance the Thursday would be the “preparation day” (a term that one never encounters in Jewish writings) for BOTH the Festival AND for Shabbat.

    It was very rare for Pesah to begin on a Friday. The courts responsible for regulating the calendar tried very hard to avoid such an occurrence (and today it can never happen at all).

    The Gospel of John conflicts with the synoptic Gospels since, according to John, the 14th of Nisan fell on a Thursday, whereas, according to the synoptic Gospels, the 14th of Nisan fell on a Friday.

    The “common belief” that Jesus died on Nisan 14 is in direct contradiction to three of the “gospels” which clearly state that Jesus celebrated Passover which falls on Nisan 15.

    Matthew 2617 “On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus. . .:18 He (Jesus) replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ ” 19 So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover. 20 When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve.”

    Mar 14 and Luke 22:

    Mark 14:2O “On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” 13 So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14 Say to the owner of the house he enters, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 15 He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.” 16 The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. 17 When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve. 18 While they were reclining at the table eating. . .”

    Luke 22:7 “Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.” 9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked. 11. . .Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples? . . .They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table.”

    John contradicts Mark, Matthew and Luke:

    John 13:1 “It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father.”

    and

    John 19:13 “When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). 14 It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour.”

    The stories of Jesus resurrection at the tomb are all in conflict — so any “evidence” there is moot. You said either the church fathers lied or Jesus lied — that is a little like C. S. Lewis’ famous choice — but there is a third: it is all fiction.

    I highly suggest reviewing R’ Tovia Singer’s “Crucifixion / Resurrection Chart” (link below) which shows some of the many differences / conflicts in the dates and stories given for the “last” supper and the crucifixion in the Christian bible. It may be enlightening.

    It is very convoluted. If Jesus were born 4 BCE as many now believe (thanks to Herod) then he would have been 37 if he died in 33 CE. Yet he is described as being “about 30.”

    37 would seem to remove him from the realm of “about 30” and closer to “about 40.”

    The Christian bible is so inaccurate in just about all its information (from whether the last supper was Passover or not, whether Jesus ate bread or matzo at said last supper, how many people saw him come out of his “tomb”, etc.) they can just waffle around dates.

    If you are interested in contradictions consider that we are told that when Jesus was born Herod was King of Judea (Luke 1:5),

    Quirinius was Governor of Syria (Luke 2:2)

    Caesar Augustus was the emperor of Rome (Luke 2:1).

    Yet those three occurrences don’t overlap.

    So it is impossible to say if Jesus died in the 20s or 30s of the first century — we have no clue as to when he was born — IF he was born let alone when he died or how old he was when he died.

    Josephus gives us a pretty firm date for Herod’s death — so we know it was in the Spring of 4 BCE. The census under Quirinius was around 6 CE (a 10 year variance). Quirinius was governor from 6 to 12 CE.

    Then we have Caesar Augustus. He around at the right time, but many Christians try to say it was HIS census, not Herod’s.

    Well, HIS census was only of Roman citizens so Joseph and Mary wouldn’t have been included — no need for the birth in a manger bit. This census was around 31 BCE — which would put Jesus in his SIXTIES not his thirties circa 33 CE.

    Which brings up more interesting facts….

    The Sanhedrin had lost the ability to pass the death sentence a few years before and by 30 CE were not meeting in the Chamber of Hewn Stone (the only place they COULD pass a sentence of death). (Mark 15:13, Talmud, Shabbat 15a tells us that this ability was lost 40 years before the destruction of the Temple (28 CE). When a capital case was tried by the Sanhedrin a judge would be appointed to investigate evidence pointing to the defendant’s guilt and judges to find his innocence. If a defendant was found guilty by unanimous decision the defendant was not executed.

    Crucifixion was a form of Roman execution — not Jewish.

    The Christian bible says that the high priest headed up the trial. The high priest never headed the Sanhedrin — that role fell to Nasi (president) and the Av Beit Din (head of the Sanhedrin) — both of whom were rabbis. The Christian bible doesn’t mention either one. (Mark 14:53, 14:60). These pairs are all listed in the “Ethics of the Fathers” (Pirkei Avot). Gamaliel (who is mentioned in the Christian bible in Acts 5 is not mentioned at all in relation to Jesus’ trial). He was the Nasi (prince) of the Sanhedrin at the time. . .

    The Talmud records nothing of a court that existed like the one in the Christian bible — and the Talmud is a law book, describing legal processes in Judaism. (Hilkhot Sanhedrin, 1. 1, 3, 7). There were local courts — consisting of 3 judges on the lowest level, to 23 judges for courts that would hear death penalty cases, to the Great Sanhedrin which was a combination of a congress / supreme court and normally consisted of 71 judges. To pass the death penalty was really hard — you had to have two eye witnesses to the crime who could not be associated with the person accused. . . More than one death penalty in 70 years and the court was called a “bloody Sanhedrin). . .

    “Cases involving capital punishment are adjudicated during the day and the verdict must also be rendered during the day…we do not adjudicate cases involving capital punishment on Fridays, nor on the days preceding festivals. The rationale is that the defendant may be convicted and it is impossible to execute him on the following day, but it is forbidden to postpone his execution until after the Sabbath. Hence, we imprison him and begin his trial on Sunday.” The Rambam (Maimonides).

    Jesus is not mentioned in the Talmud — unless the Christians got a lot facts incorrect including when he lived (Yeshu was a fairly common name 2000 years ago) and the Talmud speaks of two different men named Yeshu who these missionaries grab onto — but one lived 100 years after Jesus and the other 80 years before Jesus.

    Ergo the whole “Good Friday” — waving of palm fronds (Palm branches have never had anything to do with Passover. But, they have always been associated with Sukkot. See Vayikra / Leviticus 23:40: “And you shall take for yourselves on the first day, the fruit of the hadar tree, date palm fronds, a branch of a braided tree, and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the L-rd your G-d for a seven day period.”).

    Back in ancient times, just as now, there weren’t forests or orchards of palm trees in Jerusalem. People either would have had to leave the city or had merchants bring sufficient numbers of fresh palm branches into the city for the crowds to waive. Certainly, they weren’t using dried palm branches because they would be ugly and brittle. So, the palm branches weren’t just lying around and it defies credibility that so many people had all planned to gather palm branches for Jesus’s grand entrance to Jerusalem, when they were cleaning their houses and preparing for Passover. This is especially so, considering that palm branches have no association with Passover.

    So the entire story of Jesus trial / death / resurrection a hodgepodge of conflicting information which is at odds with historical facts we know.

    https://outreachjudaism.org/crucifixion-resurrection-chart/

    You may share this post if you are so inclined by providing the link to others. If you do provide a link to the post or the blog please credit me as the author, Sophiee Saguy, as this helps me to protect my copyright.

    Please recite T’hillim / Psalms for Israel in times of distress.

    Chapter 20
    Chapter 22
    Chapter 69
    Chapter 122
    Chapter 150

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/809299/jewish/Psalms-for-Times-of-Distress.htm

  39. @Edgar This popped up just now in my FB News feed – which suggests things that might interest one – from a page called,”Judaism is not Christianity minus Jesus –

    The trial of Jesus as described in the Christian bible could never have happened. . .

    The Christian bible portrays Pontius Pilate as this meek guy.

    History shows the reverse is true.

    Rome even recalled him for cruelty!

    One example was when he had soldiers blend in with a crowd of Jews protesting one of his actions. The soldiers were dressed like civilians, but they had clubs under their clothes.

    They beat numerous people to death, causing a riot where others died in the rush to escape.

    Philo in Legatione ad Caium wrote of Pilate “He feared they . . . might impeach him. . .in respect to the his corruption, his acts of insolence, and his rapine and his habit of insulting people, and his continual murder of persons untried and uncondemned, and his never ending, and gratuitous and most grievous inhumanity.”

    1. The Sanhedrin never met at night — they met from 9 – 4. (Mark 14:17 says it was night, 39-41 they were sleeping, Sanhedrin 35a-b in the Talmud explains that the Sanhedrin never met at night).

    2. The Sanhedrin (a combination of the Congress and Supreme Court) only met in the Temple, never at someone’s home as described in the Christian bible. (Mark 14:53, they took Jesus to the high priest).

    3. The Sanhedrin rarely passed the death sentence and when they did the method was stoning — crucifixion is Roman not Jewish.(Mark 15:15, 15:25, ) was carried out is detailed in the Mishnah 6:4, Treatise Sanhedrin describes ???????? s’kilah (usually translated as “stoning.”

    4. When a death sentence was passed a minimum of 24 hours was given before it was carried out — this was to give time for witnesses to come forth on behalf of the condemed. (Mark 14:64, Mishna Sanhedrin 4:1 “In capital cases they come to a final decision for acquittal on the same day, but on the following day for conviction. [Therefore they do not judge [capital cases] either on the eve of the Shabbat or on the eve of a festival].”).

    5. The Sanhedrin had lost the ability to pass the death sentence a few years before and by 30 CE were not meeting in the Chamber of Hewn Stone (the only place they COULD pass a sentence of death). (Mark 15:13, Talmud, Shabbat 15a tells us that this ability was lost 40 years before the destruction of the Temple (28 CE).

    6. The Sanhedrin never met on Shabbat or any holy day — or even on the day BEFORE. Misnah (Sanhedrin IV:1) and Maimonides (Hilkot Sanhedrin XI:2). (Mark 14:12, it was Passover, the Festival of Unleavened Bread).

    7. The Christian bible says that the high priest headed up the trial. The high priest never headed the Sanhedrin — that role fell to Nasi (president) and the Av Beit Din (head of the Sanhedrin) — both of whom were rabbis. The Christian bible doesn’t mention either one. (Mark 14:53, 14:60). These pairs are all listed in the “Ethics of the Fathers” (Pirkei Avot). Gamaliel (who is mentioned in the Christian bible in Acts 5 is not mentioned at all in relation to Jesus’ trial). He was the Nasi of the Sanhedrin at the time. . .

    8. The Talmud records nothing of a court that existed like the one in the Christian bible — and the Talmud is a law book, describing legal processes in Judaism. (Hilkhot Sanhedrin, 1. 1, 3, 7). There were local courts — consisting of 3 judges on the lowest level, to 27 judges for courts that would hear death penalty cases to the Great Sanhedrin which was a combination of a congress / supreme court and normally consisted of 71 judges. To pass the death penalty was really hard — you had to have two eye witnesses to the crime who could not be associated with the person accused. . . More than one death penalty in 70 years and the court was called a “bloody Sanhedrin). . .

    Here is a great link on the legal system.
    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4100306/jewish/The-Sanhedrin-The-Jewish-Court-System.htm

    All the “particulars” of the mock trial, those who supposedly tried Jesus, etc. don’t fit with Jewish law or historically known facts. The whole thing is fiction.

    Please recite T’hillim / Psalms for Israel in times of distress.

    Chapter 20
    Chapter 22
    Chapter 69
    Chapter 122
    Chapter 150

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/809299/jewish/Psalms-for-Times-of-Distress.htm

  40. According to i24NEWS, the United States has informed Israel that they will begin a phased-withdrawal of military forces from Syria beginning within two months.

    OSINTdefender

  41. A musical Pesach offering:

    “Dmitri Shostakovich composed some of the best string quartets of the 20th century, of that there is no doubt, but the nomination for best Piano Quintet of the 20th century must go to Mieczyslaw Weinberg.

    The title of this cd is “On The Threshold of Hope” because all the works collected here were written during the second world war when, in the USSR, repression was temporarily lifted in order to mobilise the resources of the entire country. Once again Jews hoped for better days. But, after the war, Weinberg experienced the Soviet’s gruesome anti-Semitism first hand.

    The quintet, composed in 1944, was first performed in March of 1945 by the great Emil Gilels on piano and the Bolshoi Theatre Quartet. The work is very traditional in structure and tonality. The first movement opens with a haunting motif introduced by the piano, and provides most of the thematic material for the entire quintet, which is written on an almost symphonic scale. The inner, faster movements provide moments of grotesque cabaret/folksong music mixed with darker passages. The extended Largo which follows, opens with a bold statement on the strings, then the piano joins in and some magical exchanges occur between the instruments, roles being easily swapped from one moment to the next. The final movement, Allegro agitato, opens with a nervous, tense, war-machine like theme that drives the music forward until it turns into a manic sounding jewish folk dance (as if they are being forced to enjoy themselves), but then returns with some truly magnificent writing by Weinberg where the opening motif from the first movement is re-introduced and worked into the dense fabric of the music, until the war-machine motif gradually slows down and fades away into darkness – all hope is lost.

    This is truly awesome chamber music. If you enjoy Shostakovich or Prokofiev, you owe it to yourself to hear this great composer.

    The ARC Ensemble are Artists of the Royal Conservatory of music in Toronto. They play this music with unrivalled commitment and integrity, as if re-living the music through Weinberg’s mind. In the spring of 2008 this cd was nominated for both Juno and Grammy awards.

    Weinberg went on to enjoy great success: he was considered one of the country’s foremost composers, and the finest musicians performed his music. Today, he is steadily claiming a position of universal significance. – Per Skans

    Jean-Yves Duperron “

    http://classicalmusicsentinel.com/THRONE/throne-weinberg-quintet.html

  45. Breaking News:

    China Retaliates Against Tariffs by putting worse fortunes in fortune cookies – Babylon Bee

  46. Supreme Court rejects petition demanding Israel supply electricity to Gaza
    Israeli Supreme Court states Israel has no obligation to provide electricity to Gaza and the petition demanding it do so is non-justiciable,

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/406713

    Why did these learned elders of Chelm do that!? Aren’t they afraid someone might suspect they might have half a brain between them?