By Ted Belman
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fquigley is a winner just like in the clip from “Trouble in Tahiti” by Leonard Bernstein who he thinks stinks, hey it rhymes!
@fquigley
What you call for makes no sense.
They don’t want your love and physical help. They want their family members back, and that means accommodating Hamas, and this is what has come about thus far with the return of all but a couple dozen living hostages to go.
As I noted before, which you responded with your preferred reference to your granny and some eggs, the goals of returning the hostages and a decisive victory are in complete contradiction with one another. So they can not be addressed in unity, as one must suffer to the success of the other. Upto this point, it has been the decisive victory over Hamas which has suffered in preference of seeking the return of the hostages. But that is about to change, presumably.
Also, Edgar is right. There is no lesson from Trotsky to be useful here.
In fact, Trotsky’s heavy handed use of force over the masses would have seen the govt fall, likely thru a US orchestrated op, and the complete capitulation of Israel to her enemies, if not something far worse. What Israel lacks at this juncture is not the rule of a tyrant, but the independence to pursue its own self interest. This would not be changed by Trotsky or any other historical figure you care to name. This requires a steadfast policy of developing its own MIC, and this in turn requires the passage of time, not Trotsky.
You can hear the Jewish influences. As with Haydn, delightful alternating contrasts between Viennese and traditional Jewish sounding melodies and embellishments or riffs in jazz terms and it the syncopation does make it sound jazzy in places..
You can really hear it here because they are emphasizing the Jewish expressivity of it whereas many if not most performers emphasize the classical Viennese stylistic elements. And listen to how they use rubato to effect. Really stands out in this performance. Gloriously so.
I play both violin and viola, mostly viola – I switched – though I’ve only played the orchestral part on viola.
I don’t see how Trotsky always but ALWAYS comes into the conversation even if not for any perceived purpose.
He died in sordid circumstances with no followers, 85 years ago and he is not relevant today or even since. His influence died with him except for some misguided brainwashed people who still live in the past.
TROTSKY and LENIN didn’t smash the pogromists to help the Jews except incidentally .They smashed them to bring them under their control solely and avoid loose cannons.
Sebastien Zorn
I realise your motivation is to ward off my attacks. But save yourself the trouble.
The relatives of hostages had to be helped physically and loved, but not one inch in accommodating Hamas. That’s why clear leadership was necessary and I would have used the HISTORICAL LESSON of Trotsky and Lenin in smashing the Pogromists of Ukraine 1919 to smash up those reactionary OSLO like forces inside of Israel.
Instead Peloni dallied with the Bear Kleins of this world
It’s still the same need because it is still a question of Israeli leadership. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
Russia, the Jews and the world youth need badly Trotsky or a Trotsky and Stalinism set us back seriously in August 1940
Sebastien Zorn
On October 7 Zionism had massive support if they had played their cards correctly. An existential war against islam which Hamas represented. Step one was extricate civilians physically and the Egyptian tunnels into Gaza by al Sisi which came to light showed the way.
Then reduce Hamas to nothing militarily and politically
That’s the lesson of Trotsky in 1919 in essentially Ukraine which you never talk about
That’s why Mr Zorn you rate zero in my eyes
I have stated clearly that defeating this jihad started in ISRAEL and started with revolutionary changes there
Meaning graphically jailing of traitors and people like Netanyahu into oblivion into a home for the bewildered
By the way your films stink.
https://youtu.be/USfKJYZcUmI?feature=shared
That’s hilarious. “he hopped” is “d leg”
https://youtu.be/4xH2xGPHUTU?si=LpSVqXz9J6dKLh5s
Peloni and Edgar
It shows you are on a loser when you selectively misquote. Bad medicine for Zionism and it’s standing with Trotskyism
So please stop trying to show your granny how to suck eggs.
What i said was
“I try to understand as clearly as I can
Hamas must be destroyed expelled etc. and this is the way the only way to save the hostages.
It is a Unity. They go together.
I will not talk ever about hostages being secondary.”
I am a Marxist and a Trotskyist and I will not place the hostages secondary but equal. ”
Out of that Peloni the master of excision excised SEVEN words
Moreover I said to Reader a comment in the days after October 7 that Israel must not fight on the ground prepared by the enemy.
Israel did exactly that. I remember all the carry on at the border of Zionism in action . I remember Bennett showing up bursting with fat out of his uniform. Big deal
They were gung ho doing what I warned Reader they must not do.
So it became clearer then that the Zionist leadership had betrayed the people of Israel and this had caused October 7…
Not Hamas at all they didn’t betray. They acted out their hatred the same as Banderaism has done to Jews for over a hundred years.
My constant refrain to Peloni…clear up and act on your own website. But Peloni is the talker par excellence.
Moreover in the same vein I wanted revolutionary action in Israel
A Trotskyist party if alive in the sense of existing would have acted in a totally different way
Inside Israel martial law to end the counter revolution which took up again and based on miseducated relatives of hostages, not all but a goodly number
A new leadership to be given power based on the commanders I saw in action on the Gaza seashore…if they would work with us Troysky people that is.
Netanyahu gone. All connected with the treason like Barak in prison and they were numerous
Blow away El Sisi’s miserable border.The whole Gaza population in Sinai fed by Arabs if they wanted to.
Mobilise all of the Israeli population as well as America to finish with Palestinism in all areas…as seem to be partially doing now, although cannot be sure of anything with Netanyahu and Glick still there. And it is years late with many dead Jews.
You cannot say Trotskyism has no strategy. In 1918 to 1921 Ukraine Pogroms we proved different. We literally wiped the floor of the Pogromists.
Peloni you are part of the Zionist ascendency. I am not. I am prepared for revolution. You definitely are not.
Don’t talk to me about strategy or tactics. You do not understand my and THE history of the Trotsky tradition. The complete maestro of strategy.
My tradition wiped out the Pogromists in 1919 and to crown it all young Jews flocked en masse to Trotsky and his RED army. Not a feature in Pelonis discussion circles.
You understand nothing about the needs of this coming era.
FURTHERMORE YOU WILL NOT LEARN
– Yohay Sponder
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1De3XKVgAU/?mibextid=wwXIfr
FELIX-
They cannot be equal. 850 IDF heroes have already given their lives to the Gaza War much hindered by concern for almost invisible “civilians” and hostages ………….
I’d rather see every hostage dead, that is, the remaining 23-4 than another 100 IDF. For me the logical desired outcome is clear.
With NO decisive permanent Hamas destruction, NO Potential hostage will EVER be safe in Israel and the Diaspora.
Netanyahu and the govt are 100% RIGHT……RIGHT…..; Hamas destroyed Number ONE.
If you cannot see that , whilst your sentiment is a credit to you, your visions of overall strategic benefits are woefully lacking, which surprises me, seeing that you are a considerable thinker and theorist as well as activist ..for GOOD not EVIL.
@fquigley
Actually, they are in fact contrasting objectives. The plight of the hostages are still holding Israel back from victory, and even as the war proceeds, and the offensive is expanded, it is clearly stated that the purpose of doing so, and doing so in so delayed a manner as has been pursued, has been to apply pressure to Hamas to release the hostages at the expense of achieving a decisive victory.
Edgar
“PELONI and I are absolutely right and any who disagree are totally wrong and can’t see the wood for the trees.”
I try to understand as clearly as I can
Hamas must be destroyed expelled etc. and this is the way the only way to save the hostages.
It is a Unity. They go together.
I will not talk ever about hostages being secondary.
I am a Marxist and a Trotskyist and I will not place the hostages secondary but equal.
JNS Conference Sovereignty Forum
https://youtu.be/0n1xB2xRE_g?si=xITzCTrMJGLEzAL6
https://www.youtube.com/live/FrKn9eHb_9s?si=P8XLvz9ZNqTHF87E
PELONI and I are absolutely right and any who disagree are totally wrong and can’t see the wood for the trees.
Did we sacrifice nearly 900 of our best IDF to rescue 300 hostages many already dead.
Only a fool would say “YES”. Worse than a fool……..
From the very first moment the Israeli STATED position was
1) to utterly destroy HAMAS to a degree that it could never rise again, and
2) the Hostages although very im
portant were secondary and could be regarded as already casualties.
I am not very happy with the way this is posed by Peloni and Edgar
Peloni to bring them back it is necessary to defeat the terrorists and those who support them, if necessary in battle and to expel from the state, and to administer the land
Absolutely this was not the program of Israel at any time and it was a time to spell out the program
To talk about the hostages being less important etc. is very wrong in every way
Chronicles 1:14:17
Man, talk about inflation. I sure hope Trump and Bibi can do something about that.
I queried:
and she replied:
@Edgar
Indeed, and you were correct to do so. The policy of capitulation in response to Jew Ransoms is not a sustainable policy. It was not the policy pursued during Operation Jonathan, and it can not be the policy pursued today.
Failing to act in the interest of the Jewish people with the unconscionable Shalit deal is what gave Sinwar the freedom to lead Hamas on its road to Be’eri and it is what has lead to the capture of over 200 Israelis on October 7.
Instead of chanting ‘Bring them Back’, the chant of ‘Go Get Them Now’ should be ringing by one and all.
PELONI-
Exactly what I’ve been reiterating ad nauseam, 1) The total destruction of Hamas 2) the Hostages although important are secondary to #1.
Fascist Ukrainian director:
https://kyivindependent.com/this-cannot-be-allowed-israeli-opera-hires-russian-singers-ukrainian-director-quits-in-protest/
and 9/11 attacks from 2003
popped up on my FB newsfeed
https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129838&page=1
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/why-democrats-should-hate-and-republican-should-love-barack-obama-the-foundational-maga-warrior/
Yohay Sponder Hilarious clip
https://www.facebook.com/reel/4102503416645659?fs=e&fs=e
Bibi places decisive priority on destroying enemies over returning hostaged:
PM: Return of hostages important, but war’s ‘supreme goal’ is victory over enemies
There was never really a choice in setting these priorities, even as the political environment has been leveraged to try to prevent this statement being made openly. Nonetheless, it is important that Bibi has finally made this point clear. Victory will be had.
Antisemites attack Jews in Crown Heights with their Kaffiyehs covering their faces which need to be pulled off on camera.
FB group: NY fights antisemitism
– post on FB group, Nee Yorkers Fighting Against Antisemitism
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/407647
Says he was a Marxist in his youth. Omits that he was a red diaper baby. I read his autobiography and followed the bibliographical trail he left like Hansel and Gretel’s breadcrumbs. helped lead me out of
The forest, let me tell you. Big loss. The other David Horowitz is the publisher of the leftist rag, Times of Israel. Now no chance of confusion. How does the joke go again, in which the punchline is God says, “Oops. Missed.”
The Mellon Foundation. that’s another one.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/university-fellow-to-faculty-hiring-diversity-independence
All of GAZA Judea and Samaria is part of Israel which is a Jewish Country and our Jewish Homeland. We Jews are the native indigenous people of the region. The area was legally part of the 1922 League of Nations Mandate which gave Israel and today’s Judea and Samaria as the Jewish Homeland legally by international law. The League of Nations mandates which also created Jordan, Syria, Lebanon with the same mandate cannot be rescinded under International Law. Jordan is Palestine not Israel including Judea and Samaria. Our homeland cannot be given away for any peace treaty or anyones legacy. No expansion of the Abraham Accords. No Public stunt or millionaire business deals is worth our religious, historical or territorial rights.
You can vote if you are Jewish for the World Jewish Congress, if you do not live in Israel. Check out article and link to vote before May 5.
PS – If you vote in the USA, I suggest you vote for the ZOA slate.
Not a coincidence, but a deliberate stunt to downplay the horrors of the holocaust while simultaneously comparing and appropriating the holocaust and Jewish suffering onto the “palestinians”. A very sick and evil display. I am so fucking sick of this gaslighting.
https://youtu.be/mqUKB147wGU?si=qH-Pt2Y9woyMv3gS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t78YzqkRxjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t78YzqkRxjY
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-851626
Avi Abelow FB Post:
https://canarymission.org/campaign/Antisemitism_Medical
https://www.jns.org/trump-administration-strips-unrwa-of-legal-immunity-in-court-filing/