By Peloni
From now on comments on every post must relate to the content of the post.
Comments that don’t relate to the post must go here.
Any person who contravenes this demand will be put on moderation. Also their offending comment will be trashed.
The reason for this demand is so that people who want to read comments which pertain to the post, don’t have to wade through the chatter.
Everyone will be happier.
{joke}
“Hello, my name is Catherine. I’d like to adopt a purebred cat from your shelter. Preferably British Short Hair. I don’t like mixed breeds for aesthetic reasons. Do you have one?
“Yes, we have one British Short Hair but he wants to live with only British people. He doesn’t like mixed breeds for aesthetic reasons.”
“WHAT?”
“Provide us with your ancestry documents to proceed with the adoption.”
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Popped up on my FB page from a group called, “Language Nerds.”
😀
@Sebastian Zorn
I’ve just found this crazy recording by accident, I think you might like it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3V8ZlWekzo&list=RDMM&index=42
@Edgar G.
He is not a Jew religiously but he is still a Jew by birth and he doesn’t lose his Jewish soul.
Examples – conversion to Christianity never protected the Jewish converts, even the most true and earnest ones, from persecution by the local Christians (Spain, Germany, etc.)
The secular Law of Return in Israel bars the Jewish Christians from getting citizenship but the Orthodox do not require them to reconvert back to Judaism, it simply doesn’t count, as far as I know.
There is a book (I don’t remember the author or the title) by a Jewish woman (an American) who converted to Christianity and after a while returned to Judaism.
She wrote that her church always proudly designated her as “our Jewish convert” or something like that.
@READEE0
Well maybe not-
If you say so. But generally I DO understand.
his is the central point , is it not. I mean of this particular discussion between us. You say, that a Jew, even if converted OUT, Is always a Jew.
I say NOT TRUE and give examples.
nd you don’t dispute my comments on the Sages, because you cannot.
@Edgar G.
I don’t think you understood what I wrote about my opinion on conversion.
I think the fact that a meshumad is not buried in a Jewish cemetery is more of a punishment and a deterrent rather than a confirmation that the meshumad is no longer a born Jew.
Have you ever known anyone who sat shiva for a meshumad? Because there is no evidence, as far as I know, that someone actually did.
While Talmud contains all sorts of things including stories, and, I think, even recipes, what I described was a genuine discussion.
In my (unlearned) opinion, a true convert joins the Jewsih people first and then the Jewish religion which the Talmudic discussion shows.
It is the opposite of what you say you agree with.
Here is an interesting comment I’ve just found on the topic of conversion:
@READER-
I beg to differ…A mishummad (apostate) cannot be buried in Jewish Cemetery. He is NO LONGER a Jew. Orthodox families sit “shiva” when a family member leaves Judaism. So he is as dead.
In Dublin for a Goy to convert to Judaism, he/she would have to live with a very religious family for a few years first. Then undergo examination. I personally knew several converts and all really devout. There were a couple who attended out family shool for years before conversion and were welcomed sincerely.. No nonsense about refusing 3 times with them as I recall. All wonderful people.
An old wives’ tale. Instituted by a bunch of very old “women” with long beards.
(NOT the Arnold Bennett novel)
@READER-
Many of those Talmudic “sages” really talked a lot of rubbish. I have read them extensively and the mind boggles at some of their suggestions, never mind their decisions. And the decisions are NEVER unanimous, ALWAYS, there is a great sage (and his generations of followers), who has a contrary opinion. Maybe several, -all with hundreds of students..
Look at the legends and the variety of stories about how Rabbi Akiva, , his marriage and his life. I was taught that he learned by climbing onto a roof, and listening at a window, to the Sages,, and one night he was found almost frozen to death.He waas then brought into the College and made a regular student.
And there were Hillel and Shammai. And the guy who demanded to be taught the Torah whilst standing on one foot….Ho Ho Ho…!!
What about “Honi the Circle Drawer”,,,,, Supposed to cause rain in a drought situation….Argued with G-D, and insisted that the little rain he made G-D allow, turn into a downpour. He got his wish… That is….according to the story……???? !!!
He’s also supposed to have fallen asleep for 70 years (the biblical age limit for a man) a regular “Rip Van Winklestein”…….
(maybe an ancestor of Von Epstein)”.
Some of the discussinb went on for over a hundred years devolving onto pupils and followers of the Sages.
For instance this nonsense of turning away three times…why not 7 times the way the bride walks around the groom 7 times. It has to be 7, 6 would doubtless invalidate the marriage….???
Pure traditional superstitious crap.
A pity you are NOT a Rabbi…Rabi Reader has a nice sound to it……!!!
With all that, I agree with your assessment of the ‘conversions”. They often are too “neat” and almost “instant”. even though some of those athletes have been playing in Israel a few years. BUT…..they have not been living religious Jewish lives during that time, but secular ones.
They are mostly ignorant Goyim who know nothing but backetball and whatever other sports they convert for. I’ve often felt that these “conversions” are kust a formality so thay they can play in competitons where only citizens are accepted. In the case of Israel one needs to be Jewish or Arab.
I’m sure they regard it just like changing from the Anglican Church to the 4 Square Gospel chapel.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news/number-of-people-identifying-as-ethnically-jewish-doubles-in-last-decade-6cETDkVRTDwslmqyAC8NK5?fbclid=IwAR2_l4WRRaOm-Ub8qKFqZw1kVZnOJ7R7Q2qO5Elw4YOqbyOmRH1Q8YTgJ9A&reloadTime=1669866333834
335. Since “Irish wisdom” has been mentioned repeatedly, or words to that effect. Maybe it’s more impressive from afar?
😀
@Peloni, @ David Singer
I am reminded of this great satirical video from 2014 which has been scrubbed from Youtube with the announcement that the account holders have violated the Youtube Community Terms of Service 😀 I’ll bet.
https://www.jpost.com/national-news/settler-spoof-video-has-us-offering-a-modern-western-wall-by-the-beach-340313
@Sebastien Zorn
I am, obviously, not a rabbi, to say the least, but my impression over the last decade or two has been that most of the Orthodox conversions are not proper and not because they are not “Orthodox” enough.
I remember reading about the discussion in the Talmud on which conversion to Judaism would be considered proper.
The consensus (the majority opinion) was that the potential convert must be turned away three times with an explanation that s/he would be joining the people which is hated, etc. (I don’t remember the exact words) and s/he better consider it carefully before making the decision to convert.
Only if that person comes back after being turned away three times, he is converted and taught the mitzvot.
The minority opinion (of ONE, as I recall) holds that the potential convert has to accept all the mitzvot, etc. FIRST before his or her conversion.
It seems to me that for a couple of decades the Orthodox conversions have followed that minority opinion with the potential converts learning things for a very long time, being monitored for observance, etc.
The thing is, that once someone becomes (or is born) a Jew, it is impossible (according to the Jewish Law) to “get out of it”: suppose, one converted properly and after a while got “disappointed” and decided to become a Catholic – TOO BAD!
After s/he dies, s/he will be judged as a Jew!
Anyway, in my opinion, people who convert but still think of themselves as “people of color” first and Jews second, didn’t undergo a proper conversion and are not Jews.
BTW, after the Moshiach is here, there will be not more conversions to Judaism.
{satire}
https://youtu.be/SfLaY-R9kaUx
@FELIX-
Hello Felix, So glad to hear from you. Hope you’ve been well and avoided COVID…;I was a part of an acting group ,The Globe Players, for a couple of years, so I met Beckett. It was run by Jim Fitzgerald whom I immediately disliked. My first experience of someone using very foul language in front of girls. Doaal Donnelly was also with us. i had a scrap with him for the same reason, broke his front tooth. Another member a staunch Catholic sincerely told me I was cursed for ever because “the blood was on descendants of the supposed Jews who condemned Jesus,eternally. Yet he always accepted my offer of a lift home. I was the only one, had my Father’s car.
Like all the others, I used to get into the local hotels close to the theatre, for after hours booze. I was a baaad young man ..Then. Hilton Edwards came in a few times as well as other well known stage figures. Maybe Beckett was one of them. But I was there but not really a part of the scene. it mostly repelled me. because of their loose ways and disgusting language and morals. It was a phase in my life. SO I mostly just watched and listened.
Fitzgerald “borrowed” money to travel to London to get married, and flatly refused to pay it back. He conned others the same way. “I never pay anything back”..he laughed at me. But my cousin, a lawyer tracked him down, finally nailing him, and mailed me the cheque when I was already in Canada, years later.
He made a big name for himself with Televis Eireann. Monica Brophy made it big in stage management in London, always behind the scenes. but brilliant, and hard working. Donnelly made a few films, was in Waterloo, had a few lines. The extent of his “fame”. the others faded away.
I knew Norman Rodway very well. He did “Waiting for Godot” on screen although primarily a stage guy. We are at Uni together and on the same cricket team for a year. We kept in touch afterwards. A first class fellow. He became very successful, but never reached the heights he deserved.
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@FELIX-
Gello Felix, So glad to hear from you. Hope you’ve been well and avoided COVIS>I As I was a part of an acting group ,The Globe Players, for a couple of years, I may have. It was run by Jim Fitzgerald whom I immediately disliked. My first experience of someone using very foul language in front of girls. Doanl Donnelly was also with us. i had a scrap with him for the same reason, broke his front tooth. Another member a staunch Catholic sincerely tod me I was cirsed because “the blood was on descendants of the supposed “cruxification”Jews eternally. Yet he always accepted my offer aof a lift home. I was ther only one, had my Father’s car.
Like all the others, I used to get into the local hotels close to the theatre, for after hours booze. I was a baaad young man ..Then. Hilton Edwards came in a few times as well as other well known stage figures. Maybe Beckett was one of them. But I was there but not really a part of the scene. it mostly repelled me. because of their loose ways and disgusting language and morals. It was a phase in my life. SO I mosrtly just watched and listened.
Fitzgerald “borrowed” money to travel to London to get married, and flatly refused to pay it back. He conned others the same way. “I never pay anything back”..he laughed at me. But my cousin, a lawyer tracked him down, finally nailing him, and mailed me the cheque when I was already in Canada, years later.
He made a big name for himself with Televis Eireann. Monica Brophy made it big in stage management in London, always behind the scenes. but brilliant, and hard working. Donnelly made a few films, was in Waterloo, had a few lines. The extent of his “fame”. the others faded away.
I knew Norman Rodway very well. He did “Waiting for Godot” on screen although primarily a stage guy. We are at Uni together and on the same cricket team for a year. We kept in touch afterwards. A first class fellow. He became very successful, but never reached the heights he deserved.
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@READER-
About looking for that book, try “Worldcat”. They have everything ever published, so I’m told. I use them myself occasionally and always get the infor.
Edgar enjoy you talking about Dublin. I recently enjoyed Seamus Heaney on Desert Island Discs. He talks so beautifully. One of his picks was a Jack McGowan reciting Becket. I did not know him. Did you know him or even Becket? Those times were special.
I am reading Dr. Pollack’s articles on the JNS website – they are STUNNING, not merely interesting.
It seems that Racializing Antisemitism: Black Militants, Jews, and Israel, 1950-Present is not a book, it is an article:
https://sicsa.huji.ac.il/sites/default/files/sicsa/files/acta36_pollack.pdf
Interesting articles by Eunice G. Pollack (she is a PhD who writes books on antisemitism):
https://www.jns.org/writers/eunice-g-pollack/
BTW, her book Racializing Antisemitism: Black Militants, Jews, and Israel, 1950-Present written in 2013 is nowhere to be found including on bookfinder.com (there is nothing even that says it is out of print).
Does anyone see anything wrong here? (no hints)
cf. https://youtu.be/uv3iqSbiQwc
Nov, 7
https://www.jta.org/2022/11/07/sports/amare-stoudemire-defends-black-hebrew-israelites-amid-kyrie-irving-and-kanye-west-antisemitism-controversies
I don’t trust people who convert to Judaism, as a general rule. I’m always waiting for the other shoe to drop, I don’t care what the religion says. By the same token, I have no problem with claiming someone as Jewish who only has a Jewish father and practiced another religion if doing so brings credit on us and strengthens our position. This guy had an Orthodox conversion!
@Professor Edgar G. @Honeybee
😀 Natch. But, better make that Texan, considering your audience, don’t you think? 😀
Amended: De Santis appears to be just as pro Israel as Trump was as President. I am an independent so since NY has closed primaries, I switch back and forth. In 2016, I voted in the Republican primary though on bread and butter, “entitlement” issues, I am otherwise a traditional leftwing Democrat which coincidentally is how I was brought up in a house where politics was always far more important than religion. Absent politics, I still consider religion to be just another form of self~help and therefore a strictly private matter, like nutrition, all you fat-shamers out there who would stand between me and my ramen, haters all. 😀
“Ye takes Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes to Mar-A-Lago to meet Donald Trump
The rapper who has been engulfed in an antisemitism scandal claimed that the former president was “very impressed” with Fuentes.”
https://www.jns.org/ye-takes-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-to-mar-a-lago-to-meet-donald-trump/
De Santis appears to be just as pro Israel as Trump was as President. I am an independent so since NY has closed primaries, I switch back and forth. In 2016, I voted in the Republican primary though on bread and butter, “entitlement” issues, I am otherwise a traditional leftwing Democrat, which is how I was brought up.
@HONEYBEE-
You may or may not see humour in comedians who use a Yiddish dialect.
I do, as I happen to have grown up with many of my elders speaking exactly like that.
So, I recommend “Levinsky at the Vedding” written and spoken by Julian Rose, who although born in New York and was a successful Vaudevillian, came to Britain in his 40s where he stayed, and had his greatest successes for many years after.. .
I have the old recording which I learned by heart. I used to entertain my kids as they were growing up. They DEMANDED it. As well as stories \i made up as on the spot.
I also had to read chapters of “Potash and Perlmutter” to them otherwise they wouldn’t go to sleep.
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/mind-and-spirit/article-723272
@HONEYBEE-
Det’s nais.. IS there tap dancing as well??? Next year don’t forget to send me an invitation. _
You should look up “The Charladies’ Ball” on youtube, especially the Jimmy O’Dea recording .. He famously played the Mrs. Mulligan character on stage, dressed in female attire.
It was written by Harry O’Donovan, and Jimmy O’Dea made it famous and a standard right up to this day.. They collaborated in stage and song for nearly 40 years. Pantomimes etc., When I was growing up, the year’s highlight would be the Pantomime, with Jimmy O’dea. Most of the Community would go, and he was close to us.{ The theatres were owned jy Yidden of course}. .Wonderful stuff.
I was at school with O’Donovan’s son Terry. we were friendly but not close, a private Jewish School no less.
I just looked all through youtube. SO DISAPPOINTING. There are dozens of really lousy recordings but not one of Jimmy O’Dea. Even one by Theodore Bikel..
So maybe just look up the lyrics. they’ll give you some thought… as Irish idioms are used.
@Honeybee I am drinking my favorite Japanese Jewish drink right now.
https://itoen.com/products/oi-ocha-green?fbclid=IwAR0D7QkR6cYWLABWqU7mtqPTNGNyc5Q8HFlMOb5ENfRHUHirqueaj9K7JnI
Sebastien,Ted,EdgarG et al In our neighborhood we have, what you call,
Once a year a sociable ball,
What a time, there’s everything you wish
Ev’ry one is dressed from soup to fish;
You take Rifky, she looks pretty nifty,
Don’t you mind to bring the lunch, it only costs you fifty;
There’ll be wine and ev’ry thing that’s fine
At the yiddish sociable ball.
CHORUS:
At the ball, at the ball, at the yiddisher ball,/
There’ll only be class, or there’ll be nothing at all,
And when that orchestra plays/ Yiddish kazotskys and Bombershays,
At the ball, at the ball, and the yiddisher ball
We’ll make monkey doodles ’round the hall,
Out upon the floor I’ll be Jakey on the spot,
Doing the kosher turkey trot,
At that first class yiddisher sociable,
(Remember, fifty cents admits the ladies and the gents)
At that first class yiddisher sociable ball.
VERSE 2:
I have tickets here I don’t want to keep,
Say you’ll come, I’ll give you them cheap;
I’ll sing there if you will surely come,
I’ll knock them from the seats singing Chill-i-bom-bom;
A theatre won’t be half so good
Don’t stay away treat yourself just like you should,
Once a year, you know, you should appear
At the yiddish sociable bal
@CAPTAIN NEMO’S VIOLA PLAYER-
If one can be a part of a string quartette playing with “gusto” 20,000 leagues under the sea, a little “attack” (more like a correction) should mean nothing.
I comment only on incorrect items and devious ambiguities. preferring fact to the vagaries of a self-appointed court jester. All that is needed is a multi-pointed hat with bells for the self-styled “master”…Of course, I ignore much.
When one thinks of grasshoppers, the Hope-Crosby movie “Road To Zanzibar” comes to mind; In it was mentioned “candied grasshoppers” which were being scoffed by Hope-before he choked.
@CAPTAIN NEMO’S VIOLA PLAYER-
If one can imagine a string quartette playing with “gusto” (Ah Bisto) 20,000 leagues under the sea, a little “attack” (more like a correction) should mean nothing.
I comment only on incorrect nonsense and ambiguities. preferring fact to the vagaries of a self-appointed court jester. All that is needed is a multi-pointed hat with bells.
https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/state-news/hochul-signs-bill-to-protect-new-yorkers-with-medical-debt/
See this is the kind of thing that made me vote for her. While I agree with the Republicans on many issues like crime, immigration, critical race theory, gender insanity, weaponization of the FBI, she is against BDS as was Cuomo so Israel wasn’t an issue, fact is, none of these other issues affect me personally.
@Grasshopper the feelin’ is entirely mutual. You like attacking the articles I post with silly knitpicking I notice.Expect ridicule.
Irrelevant historical data are often interesting, as is the story of the Prince Imperial to history buffs. . But Irrelevant maybe, beginning with Marx’s trite item, trying to make something out of “nothing”. History is replete with attempts to co-join two different, vaguely symbolic incidents.. A form of deliberately arranged wishful thinking of really no interest to most-or all..
As famous Irish comedian Jimmy O’Dea once remarked to someone applying hair oil, ..”Ya may as well smell like somptin’ even if ya look like nuttin’
//Irrelevant historical trivia. The point I explicitly made was that Marx’s quip applies in the case of ” can socialism be built in one country” morphing into “can capitalism be built in one country” and a hundred years later, the left and the right exchanging positions in some respects. Now the MAGA right is railing about imperialism.
Irrelevant historical trivia. The point I explicitly made was that Marx’s quip applies in the case of ” can socialism be built in one country” morphing into “can capitalism be built in one country” and a hundred years later, the left and the right exchanging positions in some respects. Now the MAGA right is railing about imperialism.
All irrelevant historical trivia about an unimportant figure – flowing from my observation that Marx’s quip applied 70 years before in the case of “Can socialism be built in one country?” debated by the left which became “Can capitalism be built in one country” debated by the right a century later. 😀
18th of Brumaire was the date Napoleon Bonaparte overthrew the republic and seized absolute power. The book title is an ironic reference to the nephew doing the same thing, the first time as tragedy, the second as farce.
@Edgar
So he didn’t even fall from the height of a horse? LOL…this kind of makes the quip even humorous. I do recall reading about the event in reports on other contemporaneous personalities and the significance his death represented.
@PELONI-
I did not comment on your professor’s quip, because I recalled a contemporary drawing of him fighting valiantly on foot. So I checked in an account by Rhys Jones. The whole matter was a compendium of errors and fumbles, which I won’t go into as they are well known.
He died on foot, never got onto his horse, was very inadequately escorted, and so on. It effectively ended the dynastic claims of the House of Bonaparte.
It was mainly his own, impetuous fault.
@PELONI-
Well Bismark’s brain was always working overtime, and he took advantage of the French “elan” and the belief that a Napoleon, (regardless of any real military success) was a military genius. The reverberations of past French glory and hegemony over all Europe still lingered.
Too bad, the French paid a massive price and a worse penalty.
Poor Bazaine. He KNEW the army was not prepared, but was blamed for it’s eventual massive defeats and his own surrender at Metz.
@Edgar
Hadn’t thought of the great lost hope of the Bonaparte family in some time. I had a mentor in college who was greatly involved in researching the Bonaparte family history. I recall him musingly mentioning that the “Prince Imperial” had proven his worth by outdoing his father’s failure, seeing that his father’s fall was from the height of his throne and required the manipulations of Bismark and the actions of the German army, while poor Louis only fell from the height of his horse and it took only the point of a couple of spears to achieve it.
I am not getting into any dispute over a Karl Marx book phrase.. As far as I’m concerned, he can “drop dead”.
Napoleon 3rd was the president, from the 1848 revolution to 1852 when he became Emperor. He was known as Louis Napoleon BONAPARTE. .There was NO Brumaire during his lifetime or ever after..
A little known fact is that when younger, and living with his family in Italy he and his elder brother became members of a secret Italian revolutionary ,group and were chased by the police. His elder brother died during one of their escapades. (his grand-uncle was Cardinal Fesch, living in Rome).
“LOUIS NAPOLEON was the Prince Imperial, son of Napoleon 3ed, born in the late 1859s died 1879.
@Ted Informative interview (with constructive proposals) with Senator Ted Cruz
https://youtu.be/Sa3O5oRAi5o
Musk is offering general amnesty to all suspended accounts beginning next week, “provided that they have not broken any laws or engaged in egregious spam”. This means that the child trafficking accounts which he has recently purged from twitter, after having owned it for a couple of weeks, will not be allowed back.
I have not been a very strong proponent of Musk for a variety of reasons, but his actions here are quite important. The Leftist echo chamber is about to be met with a thunderous conservative challenge, and the result should be quite revealing to many.
When was he known as Louis Napoleon?
When was the book written?
“Written: December 1851 – March 1852;”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/
To anyone who relies on WIKI for info. Napoleon 3rd (according to Wiki, and correct) was Charles Louis Napoleon Bonaparte.. for 4 years as President was known as LOUIS NAPOLEON BONAPARTE…and etc..
The subject of this nonsense is “LOUIS NAPOLEON”, and being the SON of Nap 3 was the only genuine “Prince Imperial”. Born sometime in the late 1850s, he was a very young man in his early 20s when he was killed,
.He was unmarried and left no direct heirs.
Being an enthusiastic sabre wielder, he became separated from the British detachment, and, surrounded by Zulu spearsmen, was killed. The reports stated that there were about 4 dead Zulus at his feet when his body was recovered during a belated rescue rush..
It was then that Plon Plon, although never formally acknowledged by most of the Family, filled the unexpected vacuum, became the de facto Head of the House, and was a Prince Bonaparte. but never “The Prince Imperial”.
LOUIS NAPOLEON’S death really injured the aspirations of the House of Bonaparte, although they still exist.
In fact one, one of the American Bonapartes, with suitably bronzed “outdoor” features, was regularly seen on the back pages of magazines advertising a brand of cigarette the name of which escapes me. I believe he died of lung cancer.
@Sebastien
Priceless
@Peloni, David Singer {satire}
Peace Treaties Negotiated by these two couples have stood the test of time
“Kramer vs Kramer vs Godzilla”
https://citystompers1.tumblr.com/post/166732750358/saturday-night-live-kramer-vs-godzilla
https://youtu.be/i0D2_nzuGyI</strong
@Honeybee We’ve been around this bend before, you may recall. Blue Bunny is made in Iowa . Blue Bell is made in Texas.