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By Peloni

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April 16, 2020 | 9,219 Comments »

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  1. @Edgar
    All heart rates drop with age, albeit athletes with already low HRs drop much slower than do the rest of us. 30 is pretty much the low end of normal even for athletes, due to the electrical spontaneity of the heart itself, again, unless there is a heart condition or some other cause rendering the hear rate below 30. Resting heart rates (RHR) are hard to assess in a clinic due to the ‘white coat effect’ where a person’s heart rate increases due to their being in the clinic surrounding and fudges the RHR upwards. So, it is a good idea to actually monitor your own RHR at home and offer it to your doctor. The lower RHR is typically associated with increased levels of health due to athleticism, but as you note with your uncle, it might also be associated with some form of illness. The illness could be a primary heart condition such as a heart block or it could be due to a secondary issue, relative to the heart, such as a thyroid condition. Low RHR could also be associated with certain medications. Athletes with RHR in the 30-40s have trained their bodies to actually maximize its efficiency in the delivery and utilization of oxygen to the cells. It results in a stronger heart and a stronger cardiovascular (both heart and blood vessels) system which maximizes the entire system regulating the demand for oxygen and the delivery of oxygen.

    Hope this is clear. Let me know if it isn’t. Also, I can explain the heart blocks and grades if you have an interest, but it requires a bit of knowledge about the way the heart’s electrical system, but it’s not too difficult to grasp, so let me know if your interested.

  2. PELONI-

    I have a question for you. The pulse rate of aged folks goes down normally. So a say, 80 year old might have a 50-60 rate.

    My question is, what eventuates with very old seniors who were athletes when younger and already had low 30-40s rates?? does it get slower with age.

    I’ve read of people who always had very low heart rates, all life through, perhaps heart blocks . I was thinking of my late uncle who died at 97 from the shock of a successful operation. His 2 sons, both doctors, told me he’d always had a double heart block..
    When young he’d been a sometime Carnival boxer, as he’d grown up with friends in that business and occasionally travelled with them, as a kind of vacation.

  3. “Happy 102nd Birthday to Ágnes Keleti, Holocaust survivor and world champion gymnast! Born in Budapest on January 9, 1921, Keleti (née Klein) was the Hungarian National Champion in gymnastics by age 16. But in 1941, she was expelled from her gymnastics club due to her religion and was forced to go into hiding. Keleti survived the war by using a false identity, while her mother and sister were saved by Raoul Wallenberg. However, her father and uncles were murdered in Auschwitz. After the war, Keleti went on to win 10 Olympic medals, including 5 gold! She moved to Israel in 1957, competed in the Maccabiah Games, and coached the Israeli national gymnastics team. Today, Keleti lives in Budapest and is recognized as the most decorated female Jewish Olympian of all time. #MazalTov
    Contributor: Jill Goltzer”

    Somebody posted this on Facebook and it popped up on my newsfeed.

  4. @Reader @Tanna @Michael (wherever you may be in heaven or on earth)

    “St. Peter was guarding the Pearly Gates, waiting for new souls coming to heaven. He saw Jesus walking by and caught his attention. “Jesus, could you mind the gate while I go do an errand?”

    “Sure,” replied Jesus. “What do I have to do?”

    “Just find out about the people who arrive. Ask about their background, their family, and their lives. Then decide if they deserve entry into Heaven.”

    “Sounds easy enough. OK.”

    So Jesus manned the gates for St. Peter. The first person to approach the gates was a wrinkled old man. Jesus summoned him to sit down and sat across from him. Jesus peered at the old man and asked, “What did you do for a living?”

    The old man replied, “I was a carpenter.”

    Jesus remembered his own earthly existence and leaned forward. “Did you have any family?” he asked.

    “Yes, I had a son, but I lost him.”

    Jesus leaned forward some more. “You lost your son? Can you tell me about him?”

    “Well, he had holes in his hands and feet.”

    Jesus leaned forward even more and whispered, “Father?”

    The old man leaned forward and whispered, “Pinocchio?”‘

  5. @Tanna I’ve lost track. Will that be his second coming? I surely hope he won’t have a stiff neck from rubber necking cross country. I could recommend an excellent chiropractor for that. 😀

  6. Palestinians from Gaza risk death at sea dreaming of a better life in Europe
    Around 36,000 people have left the Strip in the past 5 years attempting to emigrate, according to the Gaza-based Masarat research institute

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-from-gaza-risk-death-at-sea-dreaming-of-a-better-life-in-europe/

    Israel should be helping these people emigrate safely and affordably to Europe, especially England.

    Better for them as well as for the Jews and the perfect revenge on the EU.

    In fact, Israel could build housing for them in England, on public land.
    😀

  7. Ah. Just discovered this. This is one of the reasons the Supreme Court must no longer be allowed to overrule government decisions. From 2020:”ISraeli Supreme Court Strikes Down Law Authorizing Expropriation of Palestinian Private Property for Use by Israeli Settlers—and Cites my Work on Eminent Domain in the US in the Process
    The decision distinguishes US Supreme Court cases allowing the government to transfer property from one private party to another for almost any “public purpose”
    https://reason.com/volokh/2020/06/10/israeli-supreme-court-strikes-down-law-authorizing-expropriation-of-palestinian-private-property-for-transfer-to-israeli-settlers-and-cites-my-work-on-eminent-domain-in-the-us-in-the-process/

  8. @Ted Yes, it’s been very helpful. I have recently begun searching for articles relevant to the news items I wanted to draw attention to with it instead of just posting everything in comments.

    I don’t know if it’s practical but it would also be helpful if it were possible to search for specific comments by posters.

    In the past I have found small numbers of comments that way on Google.

  9. @Ted

    Please let me know if you find the search ability useful.

    Very much so. I have been using it for the past several months since you first announced it. It is very helpful at both relocating articles I am trying to specifically reference, as well as providing a significantly powerful research tool wading thru the collection of valued articles posted here on Israpundit. It is very easy to use and quite helpful.

  10. I want to comment on how to use the search in the right column.
    If you want to search two consecutive words, put them in quotation marks.
    I you want to search for my articles search for “by ted belman”.
    When the results come up you can narrow the time period.
    Click on the date on the left and then select the year, month and day. Then adjust the right date and once again select the year, month and day.
    Then Apply

    Please let me know if you find the search ability useful.

  11. I have never been able to understand why Israel spends hundreds of millions likely by now billions, in all the freebies associated with Aliya, the numerous Shalichim wirh free houses, large salaries, cars, all travelling and air expenses etc. I certainly know ONE specific shaliach who made a lot of fraudulent money from his fake receipts and fake hotel bills and mopre.

    My point is that IF they spent a hundreth, a thousandth of that money on trying to prevent the 35-40.000 abortions yearly for so many ears, likely millions by now. They would have homegrown citizens wit ot painful, impossible fitting in and adaptation to undergo.

  12. David Kurrant:

    According to the Bible, Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Palestine.

    A non existent country where people are named Mohammed, Abdul, Mounir, Aziz, Ahmed, Farid, Omar, Youssouf, Mouloud, etc.?

    And yet He managed to find 12 friends called John, Peter, Paul, Phillip, Mark, Thomas, Luke, Matthew, Andrew and Simon.

    Who all drank wine!

    Now that’s what I call a miracle!

    -Posted by Peter Baum on FB

  13. @Ted You said it was better under Islam. Peter Baum posted this on FB:

    622 – 627: Ethnic cleansing of Jews from Mecca and Medina, (Jewish boys publicly inspected for pubic hair. if they had any, they were executed)
    629: 1st Alexandria Massacres, Egypt
    622 – 634: Extermination of the 14 Arabian Jewish tribes
    822 – 861: Islamic empire passes law that Jews must wear yellow stars, (a lot like Nazi Germany), Caliph al-Mutawakkil
    1106: Ali Ibn Yousef Ibn Tashifin of Merakesh decrees death penalty for any local Jew, including his Jewish physician and military general.
    1033: 1st Fez Pogrom, Morocco
    1148: Almohadin of Morocco gives Jews the choice of converting to Islam, or expulsion
    1066: Granada Massacre, Muslim occupied Spain
    1165 – 1178: Jews nationwide were given the choice (under new constitution) convert to Islam or die, Yemen
    1165: Chief Rabbi of the Maghreb burnt alive. the Rambam flees for Egypt.
    1220: Thousands of Jews killed by Muslims after being blamed for Mongol invasion, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Egypt
    1270: Sultan Baibars of Egypt resolved to burn all the Jews, a ditch having been dug for that purpose; but at the last moment he repented, and instead exacted a heavy tribute, during the collection in which many perished.
    1276: 2nd Fez Pogrom, Morocco
    1385: Khorasan Massacres, Iran
    1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa
    1465: 3rd Fez Pogrom, Morocco (11 Jews left alive)
    1517: 1st Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine
    1517: 1st Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine and
    1517 Marsa ibn Ghazi Massacre, Ottoman Libya
    1577: Passover Massacre, Ottoman empire
    1588 – 1629: Mahalay Pogroms, Iran
    1630 – 1700: Yemenite Jews were considered “impure” and thus forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim’s food. They were forced to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim’s or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by Islamists a Jew was not allowed to defend himself. (anti-Zionist miss those days)
    1660: 2nd Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine
    1670: Mawza expulsion Yemen
    1679 – 1680: Sanaa Massacres, Yemen
    1747: Mashhad Massacres, Iran
    1785: Tripoli Pogrom, Ottoman Libya
    1790 – 92: Tetouan Pogrom. Morocco (Jews of Tetouan stripped naked, and lined up for Muslim perverts)
    1800: New decree passed in Yemen, that Jews are forbidden to wear new clothing, or good clothing. Jews are forbidden to ride mules or donkeys, and were occasionally rounded up for long marches naked through the Roob al Khali dessert.
    1805: 1st Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria
    1808 2nd 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa
    1815: 2nd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria
    1820: Sahalu Lobiant Massacres, Ottoman Syria
    1828: Baghdad Pogrom, Ottoman Iraq
    1830: 3rd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria
    1830: Ethnic cleansing of Jews in Tabriz, Iran
    1834: Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine
    1839: Massacre of the Mashadi Jews, Iran
    1840: Damascus, ritual killings (Muslims, along with French Christians kidnapped, tortured, and killed Jewish Children for entertainment), Ottoman Syria
    1840: Blood libels introduced to the Muslim world from Europe.
    1844: 1st Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1847: Dayr al-Qamar Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon
    1847: Ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Jerusalem, Ottoman Palestine
    1848: 1st Damascus Pogrom, Syria
    1850: 1st Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
    1860: 2nd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
    1862: 1st Beirut Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon
    1866: Kuzguncuk Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
    1867: Barfurush Massacre, Ottoman Turkey
    1868: Eyub Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
    1869: Tunis Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia
    1869: Sfax Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia
    1864 – 1880: Marrakesh Massacre, Morocco
    1870: 2nd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1870: 1st Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
    1871: 1st Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
    1872: Edrine Massacres, Ottoman Turkey
    1872: 1st Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
    1873: 2nd Damanhur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1874: 2nd Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
    1874: 2nd Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
    1874: 2nd Beirut Pogrom,Ottoman Lebanon
    1875: 2nd Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
    1875: Jerba Island Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia
    1877: 3rd Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
    1877: Mansura Pogrom, Ottoman Egypt
    1882: Homs Massacre, Ottoman Syria
    1882: 3rd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1890: 2nd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1890, 3rd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
    1891: 4th Damanahur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1897: Tripolitania killings,Ottoman Libya
    1903&1907: Taza & Settat, pogroms, Morocco
    1890: Tunis Massacres, Ottoman Tunisia
    1901 – 1902: 3rd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1901 – 1907: 4th Alexandria Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
    1903: 1st Port Sa’id Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
    1903 – 1940: Pogroms of Taza and Settat, Morocco
    1907: Casablanca, pogrom, Morocco
    1908: 2nd Port Said Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
    1910: Shiraz blood libel
    1911: Shiraz Pogrom
    1912: 4th Fez , Pogrom, Morocco
    1917: Baghdadi Jewish Inquisition, Ottoman empire
    1918 – 1948: law passed making it illegal to raise an orphan Jewish, Yemen
    1920: Irbid Massacres: British mandate Palestine
    1920 – 1930: Arab riots, British mandate Palestine
    1921: 1st Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine
    1922: Djerba Massacres, Tunisia
    1928: Ikhwan Masacres, Egypt, and british mandate Palestine.
    1928: Jewish orphans sold into slavery, and forced to convert to Islam by Muslim Brotherhood in Yemen
    1929: 3rd Hebron Pogrom British mandate Palestine.
    1929 3rd Safed Pogrom, British mandate Palestine.
    1933: 2nd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine.
    1934: Thrace Pogroms, Turkey
    1934: 1st Farhud Massacres, Iraq
    1936: 3rd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine
    1936: 2nd Farhud Massacres, Iraq
    1941: 3rd Farhud Massacres, Iraq
    1942: Mufti collaboration with the Nazis. plays a part in the final solution
    1942: Struma disaster, Turkey
    1942: Nile delta Pogroms, Egypt
    1938 – 1945: Arab collaboration with the Nazis
    1945: 4th Cairo Massacres, Egypt
    1945: Tripolitania Pogrom, Libya
    1947: Aden Pogroms
    1947: 3rd Aleppo Pogrom, Syria
    1948: “Emptying ” of the Jewish quarter of Damascus, Syria
    1948: 1st Arab Israeli war (1 out of every 100 Jew was killed)
    1948: Oujda & Jerada Pogroms, Morocco
    1948: 1st Libyan Inquisition of Jews
    1951: 2nd Libyan Inquisition of Jews
    1955: 3rd Istanbul Pogrom, Turkey
    1956: 1st Egyptian Inquisition of Jews
    1965: 5th Fez Pogrom, Morocco
    1967: 2nd Egyptian Inquisition of Jews
    1967: Tunis riots, Tunisia

  14. @Edgar G. I’ve heard that one. I’m guessing you know this one.

    “Dear Quote Investigator: The sharpest and funniest retort I know of was said in response to a harsh insult:

    You, sir, will certainly either die upon the gallows or of a social disease.

    That depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress.
    Can you tell me who spoke these lines?

    Quote Investigator: Many versions of this dialog have been presented in books and periodicals over a span of more than two hundred years. In addition, the participants in this verbal thrust and parry have varied in different renditions. Here are five pairs of antagonists that have been proposed:

    (1) 4th Earl of Sandwich and Samuel Foote.
    (2) A Nobleman and James Quin.
    (3) 4th Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes.
    (4) William Ewart Gladstone and Benjamin Disraeli.
    (5) 4th Earl of Sandwich and Charles James Fox.
    The earliest evidence located by QI was published in a London periodical called “The European Magazine” in 1784. A bracing encounter between Lord Sandwich and Samuel Foote was described. Boldface has been added to excerpts below:[1]”

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/01/26/gallows-pox/

  15. SEBASTIEN-

    Good jokes.

    “On a train a man sat beside a pretty young Jewish matron,Around her neck was a chain with a huge diamond… He asked he about admiringly

    “It’s the Flegheimer diamond, 40 carats -nearly as big as the Hope Diamond. Also just like the Hope, it comes with a curse (coise)”..”Oh,” said the man, “what king of curse”…”the worst kind” (voist)…

    It’s old Mr. Flegheimer himself. !!!

    Poorly told, when I heard it it sounded much better)

  16. I see that the Religious Right have come out strongly for Sovereignty, and also that Ben Gvir has demanded and received the promise, inserted into the agreement that terrorists will be executed.

    However, I hae me doubts as there is a proviso that it will occur “in certain circumstances”.,,,which may be Netanyahu’s “wriggle room”.

    Also a majority of 71 is sufficient.

    I don’t see any need for Knesset here, as the issue is already part of the Law, although never exercised. the excuse for not doing so to me is very feeble. Ghetto talk.

    |All that’s needed is the guilty verdict from the court. And, as most terrorists are either caught in thre sct, or known and tracked down, assuming that they are serious this time, it might be an idea to buy shares in some Arab mortuary company.

    But FIRST, I would like to see JUSTICE for Ben Ulliel, and severe penalties for his torturers and the counts which convicted and confirmed his guilt. PLUS Much compensation taken from their salaries and bank accounts. in fines and other penalties.

    “Gan Aden”…….

  17. @Edgar G. Oooh, ya got me. Right where it Herz. “Wounded to the quick”, as they say in Texas. I am remiinded of:

    What’s in a Name?

    “A Jewish man and a Chinese man are in a bar. Suddenly, the Jewish man punches the Chinese man in the face.

    “Ow! Why did you do that?” asks he Chinese man.

    “That’s for Pearl Harbor,” says the Jewish man.

    “But the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. I’m Chinese!” says the Chinese man.

    Chinese, Japanese, what’s the difference?” asks the Jewish man.

    So the Chinese man punches the Jewish man.

    “Ow! What’s that for?” asks the Jewish man.

    “It’s for the Titanic,” says the Chinese man.

    “What? That was an iceberg that brought down the Titanic!” says the Jewish man.

    “Iceberg, Goldberg, what’s the difference?”

    https://aish.com/51475982/

  18. Tucker Carlson Exposes the CIA’s Role in the Kennedy Assassination and Other News on Covid/Vaccines/Ukraine and Twitter

    Well, Son of a B****, they killed a sitting president…

  19. SEBASTIEN-

    Sorry to spoil your little quip, but you have “the wrong guy”..

    Allan Z.,Hertz is the owner of the Blog Audi Alteram Partem, from which I picked out the” Napoleon and the Jews of the Ottoman Empire”.

    Ted put me in touch with Hertz thinking we’d hit it off, and I saw the item I was most interested in. a terrific bog massive in depth commentaries, choice subjects. utterly superior of its kind.

    Peloni,how are you coming along with it…?

    So dream on poor player, “All the world’s a stage and all the men and women merey platers”. …I’m sure you’re one of the men.

  20. Peloni I agree with all of that

    Just to add that Ukraine is a powerful and rich place and Hitler also knew this fact, which is an important fact. I have read much about the intentions of the Nazis in Ukraine and this has become a propaganda war moving US and EU into Fascism the signs are there, with Jew Hatred still on tap as well.

    Redacted were very aware. Merkel was fooling with Russia in 2015 so called Agreement.

    All in all it is a very confusing situation and an example is what Sebastien wrote. He could see the play to the feminism Zelensky makes but too many swallow it.

    As I see it people too many get some truth but only part, and many cannot grasp the whole scene as it were.

    So much but in essence there are so many mountains of lies being set up.

    Note it’s not the social media that’s the problem but the deluge of lies that descend on say Twitter.
    .
    Some points you made there are valuable thanks for the great efforts.

  21. @Felix
    Thank you for your generous words.

    As to “the real beginning of what we could truthfully think of Joe Bidens World War of 2023”, I would place it in 2014. The reckless bunch of radicals who purposefully blew up the Budapest Memorandum did so to achieve a war with Russia – there is simply no other explanation for the fact of what they did, as brazenly as they did it, even as they were warned by the Russians that they knew they were doing it weeks before it was done. I am of course referencing the Maidan Coup and the Russian release of the Nuland ‘F*** the EU’ phone call two weeks prior to the Coup.

    All of this took place 6yrs after Russia declared that any move into Russia or Georgia by NATO were Red Lines for Russian geopolitical security concerns, ie it would be perceived to be an existential threat by Russia. So the US knew exactly the serious resolve with which Russia perceived any NATO investment or encroachment into Ukraine.

    Despite this fact, the US overthrew a Russian majority govt, banished its president, chased off numerous other Russian members of parliament, overturned the stability between the minority Russian population and the Nationalists to the point that it caused a war (speaking of 2014) in which Nazi and nationalist troops were to be financed, armed and trained by NATO.

    So, there can be little doubt that the US would have an expectation that Russia would react with force to such a scenario. What confounded things in 2014 was the fact that Russia exercised significant restraint and actually did not go to war. In accordance with the well violated Bucharest Memorandum, Russia went to the UN and demanded the Ukrainian war against the minority Russians be halted to uphold the rights of minorities as is stipulated with the OSCE, which is cited as a contingent part of the BM. Of course, the Ukrainians had no interest in peace, nor did their NATO masters, that is until the Ukrainians were thrown back on their heels and were facing a significant defeat in late 2014, which is when Minsk 1 was agreed to, but never acted upon.

    This is getting a bit deep in the weeds, but a similar situation was the cause for the generation of Minsk 2 as well in Feb 2015. Recall that both Pres. Poroshenko and Dmytro Yarosh, the former head of the Right Sector, both stated the Minsk agreements were only used to buy time and not to seek peace, and their Western pay masters never pushed them to do so, or at least not before Trump.

    As to the coup attempts against Trump, I believe that the multifaceted coup launched against him was to hold him away from Russia – recall he was going to bring the US and Russia closer together which would have ended the Washington war fever – but it was also to distract him from sorting out the missing $4-6 billion in USAID money that was laundered thru Kolomoisky’s Privat Bank and likely back to the Dems and Reps and their black op projects (including Russiagate and Ukrainegate) thru the foreign donations coming from Ukraine, from which the donations were quite significant, over $200 million in just 2018 going to both parties. Hence, I don’t believe that the coup against Trump began the march towards war. Instead, the fever pitch insanity against Trump was to prevent Trump from succeeding in his policy of rapprochement with Russia.

    Just my own thoughts, of course, but I believe they are reasonable enough.

  22. I would think that people like Caroline Glick are very familiar with the Holocaust in Ukraine and to the role played by this Ukrainian Fascist movements played.

    But Glick who is only one of many seems to be pretty silent on the connections of history to the present.

    I just wonder why that would be?

    Not have I heard much from others, like Redacted. It gives welcome news about the present but zero historical content appears.

    And I would like to hear people like this ex army MacGregor also on the history.

    This is especially important because Anthony Snyder’s interpretation of history (Bloodlands” is downright false.

    The Famine was not a specifically Ukrainian famine but was in all of the Union; nor was it an ethnic attack on Ukraine but was the result of other things very possible to understand.

    Everything they write and do is to divert from the Ukrainian Fascist role in the Holocaust.

    Robert Conquest began this trend in the 1980s in his book Harvest of Sorrow.

    All of these false interpretation of history, lies, have to be challenged.

    I find those who deal with the present as if the present has no past as being very problematic

    There are so many now active in hiding their role in the Holocaust. One purpose behind this vast lie machine is to obscure the enormity of the present full-on alliance between America and this real Fascism of the present.

    This does not mean I agree with the POLITICS of Putin but the fact is Russia in its way is fighting against Fascism and America is in alliance with Fascism.

    So of course there’s no middle ground there.

  23. Peloni good to get your valued knowledge on this. Particularly interested in the coup against Trump when it became clear the Dems and FBI were in danger of losing the election as 2016 wore along, which is possibly the real beginning of what we could truthfully think of Joe Bidens World War of 2023.

    Sebastien in my remark I meant that America is a very big place with a strong tradition of speaking up, hard to suppress that quality and I see it as here – a person call Jen writes in about Zelensky and how he may be “demoted” by Azov.

    “President Zelensky certainly sounds very desperate now but I suspect that even if NATO were able to supply what he asks for in a timely manner (as in, several months ago), it will not be enough to save his career as a politician and maybe not enough to save his skin. If he is wise, he should be planning his escape to Israel or some other country willing to take him as a permanent exile. The longer he stays in Kiev or Lvov or anywhere in Ukraine, the more likely his life is in danger – from neo-Nazis and other extremists angry at Ukrainian defeat, from soldiers angry at his leadership and conduct of the war, and from the SBU. A prison in a remote part of Siberia is looking like the only safe place on the planet for Zelensky.

    Posted by: Jen | Dec 14 2022

  24. @Felix
    @Sebastien
    Re: Ukrainian Court
    This situation is not what it is being sold as, actually not even close. It should always be recognized that the term ‘reform’ in Ukraine should be read as (fake cough) consolidation of power.

    Ukraine is a political, legal, judicial and social quandry of power for sale, and its many elements of power are all relatively, if not equally, corrupt, turtles all the way down as they say. Consequently, the disbanding of the Pavlo Vovk’s Kyiv court has been something which the Western installed govts of Poroshenko and Zelensky have been pursuing since the Maidan Coup against Victor Yanukovych, who it should be noted was a political ally of Vovk, the judge in question. After the Maidan, a policy of lustration was announced to eliminate various judges who controlled significant judicial positions and appointment authorities throughout the country. Lustration was initially delayed due to the outbreak of war, but it was revisited in 2016-7 and among the prime targets for the lustration policy was Vovk and his court. In an effort to maintain his significant and expanding role in the judiciary, Vovk allied himself with the notorious Arsen Avakov (Interior Minister who was held in power by his association with the Azov Battalion), and at the last moment, Poroshenko had a change of heart on cancelling Vovk’s court. That was in 2017.

    Following this rapprochement between Vovk and Poroshenko, it was Vovk who, in 2019, cancelled Poroshenko’s nationalization plan for Kolomoisky’s Privat Bank, which was a popular political victory for Poroshenko. This was on the cusp of the 2019 elections, when Kolomoisky’s significant political support was expected to lead to Zelensky’s victory over Poroshenko, which in fact it did. This is a very complicated story which has more spurs than a cactus (including the still unresolved theft of billions of USAID dollars), but this demonstrates Vovk’s ability to maintain his position against all odds and to support the political will of whomever the wind turned towards. Despite his political dexterity to please the nationalists in power, Vovk also continued to parse out some rulings which went back to his roots as a pro-Ukro-Russian advocate, such as cancelling the renaming of Moskovskiy Avenue to Stepan Bandera Avenue, much to the irritation of the nationalists.

    It should be recalled that Vovk was a close associate of Yanukovych, but he was also initially endorsed for his judgeship by Viktor Medvedchuk, the close associate of Putin whose political party was banned, and who was himself arrested and beaten over one year ago, held for political ransom and was finally traded to Russia in exchange for Ukrainian soldiers three months ago.

    The NABU is mentioned in the Reuter report as

    “Ukraine’s national anti-corruption bureau”

    but it should be recalled that the NABU is part of the Soros-Clinton organization which was employed to impugn the reputation of the prosecutor which Biden had fired – “well, what do you know, the son of a b**** got fired”, yeah, that prosecutor. NABU also was involved in the framing of Paul Manafort, and the Russiagate hoax, among a great many other things.

    In Ukraine, reform is a cat call for a power play over who controls the corruption in the state, not over the elimination of corruption itself. The public demand for reform of the corruption is what was used in 2004 to setup the Orange Color Revolution and again in 2014 to setup the even more ambitious Maidan Color Revolution. Ukraine is a mafia state, run by gangsters on both sides, of which only one side was co-opted to be controlled by the US. Every move towards reform by this US installed and financed regime should be recognized as being simply a move towards further US domination and control in the state.

    Nobody cares about reform in Ukraine but the Ukrainian people, and since the Maidan, nobody cares about the Ukrainian people at all.