Die-hard Trump supporters show no signs of straying

T. Belman. This is the one article I found today dealing with Charlottesvile that see clearly the truth. Most others and most Israeli leaders can’t overcome the pull of leftist propaganda. They all dump on Trump. Trump said all the right things. Yes he could have focussed on the Nazis but instead focussed on the violence. He could have taken one side and Obama always did but chose instead to indict both side and stress the need for the Nation to come together. I totally agree with his choices and his words.

The Deep State using intelligence agencies and Sorus thugs, on both the left and the right to fight each other and made certain of it by the actions or non-actions of the police. Then the MSM lead the discourse by constantly attacking Trump as a supremacist. Elites in both parties piled on as did many analists in Fox News. No one wanted to be seen with Trump. They shunned him.

Despite his controversial remarks on white supremacist rally, US president’s base still supports his agenda, doesn’t regret vote

By Matt Sedensky, TOI

NEW YORK (AP) — They wash their hands of neo-Nazis and wag their fingers at leftists. They denounce a press corps they see as biased and controversies they view as manufactured. But in the frenzied blame game over the deadly violence at a rally of white supremacists, Donald Trump’s loyal base is happy to absolve the president himself.

Even as Trump’s zig-zag response to the weekend bloodshed in Charlottesville, Virginia, has brought criticism from some Republican lawmakers, many men and women who helped put him in office remain unmoved by the latest uproar.

“He has done nothing to turn me away from him,” said Patricia Aleeyah Robinson, of Toledo, Ohio.

Robinson is black and her support of Trump has put her at odds with many in her life, costing her friendships and straining family relationships.

But the 63-year-old retired truck driver sees the controversy over Trump’s response to Charlottesville as being driven by those seeking to disrupt his agenda and push backers like her away. She said she knows he pays no deference to racists and feels he is the only president who has ever spoken directly to blacks. She admires his refusal to sugarcoat his beliefs.

Patricia Aleeyah Robinson poses for a photo on Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2017, in Toledo, Ohio. Robinson, a supporter of US President Donald Trump, says criticism of his response to the violence in Virginia is politically motivated. (AP Photo/John Seewer)

Patricia Aleeyah Robinson poses for a photo on Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2017, in Toledo, Ohio. Robinson, a supporter of US President Donald Trump, says criticism of his response to the violence in Virginia is politically motivated. (AP Photo/John Seewer)

Three hundred miles south in a Charleston, West Virginia, shopping mall, Joyce Ash took a moment to ponder Trump after buying a dress Wednesday to wear to the funeral for her husband of 33 years, who died of pancreatic cancer.

The 71-year-old woman summoned nothing but support for the political novice who led her to ditch her lifelong support of Democrats. She recalled sitting up all Election Night to watch Trump clinch the win, and said nothing since made her reconsider her vote.

“Let the president do his job instead of trying to take him out every time you turn around,” Ash implored. She didn’t follow the back-and-forth over Trump’s statements on Charlottesville but saw no reason to question him: “I believe in Donald Trump, I really do. I believe that if they would just give this man a chance, the economy, everything will start going better.”

The statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee stands behind a crowd of hundreds of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and members of the "alt-right" during the "Unite the Right" rally August 12, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia. (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images/AFP)

The statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee stands behind a crowd of hundreds of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and members of the “alt-right” during the “Unite the Right” rally August 12, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia. (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images/AFP)

Though images of Nazi flags and men carrying torches sickened many Americans, the president’s most ardent champions saw no reason any of that should change their feelings for Trump.

“You know why it doesn’t bother me? Because he is everybody’s president whether you like him or don’t like him.

Everything he does, he’s doing it for our country,” said Patsy Jarman, a 70-year-old retired factory worker in New Bern, North Carolina. “And if you don’t like being here, you need to leave.”

Such enthusiasm may be unsurprising in some ways. Trump himself boasted last year he “could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

Polls showed his approval ratings dipping even before this flare-up, and now some commentators are proclaiming a historic low point and late-night comedians have turned serious. But many Trump voters interviewed Wednesday showed no sign of moving away from him.

In Florida, 50-year-old Steven Damron of Spring Hill said the president handled the Charlottesville situation well, and he agreed with Trump that “both sides” were to blame.

In this Jan. 20, 2017 photo, Branden Nong poses for a photo as he watches the inauguration of US President Donald Trump at home in Waukee, Iowa. (AP Photo/Barbara Rodriguez)

In this Jan. 20, 2017 photo, Branden Nong poses for a photo as he watches the inauguration of US President Donald Trump at home in Waukee, Iowa. (AP Photo/Barbara Rodriguez)

In Iowa, Branden Nong, 35, of Waukee said that while he wished the president was more careful with his tweets or in his criticism of fellow Republicans, his vote was driven by economic issues, and he has been happy with Trump’s performance.

And in Pennsylvania, 46-year-old substitute teacher Julie Horrell of Mohrsville said: “I am sticking by the president. It’s early in his term yet. He needs to get the time to dig in his feet.”

Julie Brown, a 42-year-old real estate agent in Gilbert, Arizona, accused the media of twisting Trump’s statements on Charlottesville and said local officials did a bad job preparing for the protests. But she remains fully behind a president she sees as exactly the unpolished, authentic leader that the US needs right now, and thinks of how her 4-year-old son will someday learn of this time.

“He’s going to be reading in a textbook one day about the good and the bad that this president is going to do,” she said, “but I hope and I believe it’s going to be more good.”

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  1. I’m at one with the hard-core Trump supporters. Likewise my wife. And for those who think that automatically makes us low-brow, the two of us are among the most highly educated people we know, with masters degrees and extended studies toward doctorates that we had to bury when our four children began being born and requiring extensive daily raising and the need for money to start paying down the mortgage we undertook when we bought our own property a couple of years after returning to the USA from 18 month of studies in Israel and extended stays in Stefi’s native country of Croatia.

    We never apologize to anyone for whatever Trump says or initiatives he pushes. We only wish Israel had similar tough-minded leadership.

    Arnold Harris, Outspeaker

  2. The hardcore original Trumpists probably are sticking with him. Those of us who voted for anyone but Bernie or Hillary are not really shocked by the difficulties he is having. If the choice again was voting for Hillary or Trump I would still vote Trump.

    The above said, his difficulty in precise and effective communication is leaving his many enemies to have a field day jumping on him. It is making it difficult for business leaders and political allies to support him.

    His lack of communication skills, thin skinned nature and lack of discipline plus lack knowledge of on foreign affairs is making his presidency chaotic to say the least. Still better than Hillary but not nearly good enough!

    If he is unable to get tax reform and the economy goes south he will likely be a one term president. Again unless the Dems do it again and find a candidate as bad as Hillary or run Hillary again!

  3. Unlike BK, my wife and I voted for Trump because of what we saw as his unique leadership virtues, and not at all because the Democrats could not nominate anyone other than Hillary Clinton or Bernard Sanders.

    I have never voted for any Democrat for a major national or state election, and I never shall do so.

    Arnold Harris, Outspeaker

  4. @ ArnoldHarris:
    I would have preferred a better GOP candidate. When Trump was picked by the GOP I was left with two choices vote Trump or do not vote. I remember we debated about some of the candidates during the election process.

    In the rough and tumble world of USA politics Trump fights hard and is willing to stick to his opponents no holes barred. Romney in the prior election had not been willing to do this and lost to Obama. So in my view Trump was able to win the primary and general election. However some of the qualities that got him elected make him a mediocre at best POTUS.

    Three examples: One, off the cuff he says the other day he would be willing to use the military in Venezuela. Really why? What is the danger? USA needs another war? What will it solve? More people killed in Venezuela when the opposition at the moment is not capable of governing or taking over from the dictator. All the South Americans told him this was wrong (even USA ally Columbia). Pence had to go South America to put out the fire.

    His blasting Amazon because Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post is counterproductive and like a temper tantrum.

    Trumps deal with the Russians in Syria has put both Israel and Jordan in a bad position on the borders. Does he not know what he is doing? Or is he really not a friend of Israel?

  5. @ Bear Klein:
    Should we really just stand by and let Venezuela go totalitarian the way we did Cuba and Iran?

    Does everbody disagree with our President? What about our neighbors to the South? Did he really unite Latin America against us or against Maduro? Should we give Iran more military bases next door? Is that in our interest?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/new-venezuela-vice-president-has-ties-to-iran-hezbollah-2017-1

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/07/27/miami-herald-trump-administration-right-sanction-maduros-henchmen

  6. TR is his role model, don’t forget. I agree with him. Anyway, all he said was that all options are on the table. He didn’t draw a red line like Bush inIraq orr Obama in Syria. A red line must be enforced or one loses all cred ibility.
    See article

    “..The process was aided by Pres. Theodore Roosevelt’s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine. To prevent German interference in 1904 in the affairs of the Dominican Republic, he declared and assumed the right of “an international police power,” a right that he and succeeding presidents later exercised in Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico, Haiti, and other nations. Roosevelt had already interfered in Colombian affairs…
    https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/29/gunboat-diplomacy/

    @ Bear Klein:

  7. @ Bear Klein:He is actually very careful about his red lines in comparison to his two predecessors. The red line he enforced in Syria was Obama’s. The one he issued against N.Korea was in response to a threat to attack Guam which is a U.S. Territory. They vote in Presidential elections.They are born U.S. citizens, as with the other U.S. territories, Puerto Rico and The Virgin Islands. Guam is part of the U.S. Any President who fails to issue the most draconic of red lines in response to a threat to attack us directly or who fails to enforce it is not doing his job and probably should be impeached though I am unsure of the legal technicalities involved. Sorry for the 4 part response and typos, I couldn’t meet the 4 minute editing deadline; I guess I could never be a reporter or a news copy editor.

  8. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    USA attacking Venezuela would amount to a victory for all the USA haters in South and Central America. A complete disaster. If there was a Venezuelan freedom group or opposition that wanted weapons or training I could see that. USA direct military involvement would solve nothing and make the situation worse.

  9. @ Bear Klein:
    We don’t really know what he meant by that at this point. Up to now he has been talking in terms of regional multilateralism, see the joint press conference I enclosed a link to, and he would still have to get Congessional authorization for any protracted conflict as GW Bush did (Hillary was so absurdly disengenuous when she said he got Congress to vote for the authorization because he privsrely promised not to use it except to bargain with. Now, does that make any sense? That’s what Obama did in Syria. Empty threats make one into a clown to be walked over, which is what happened,)

    correction. Guam is a territory, Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth, but it is part of the U.S. and its peopleare U.S. citizens.

  10. @ Sebastien Zorn:
    Exactly no one know maybe not even Trump what he meant by that he would consider military action. DUMB COMMENT! That alarmed South Americans.

    Former Speaker of the House and longtime Trump supporter Newt Gingrich is seriously worried about the future of Donald Trump’s presidency.

    Gingrich, who has consistently been one of Trump’s most optimistic supporters, said Friday morning that Trump is more isolated than he realizes and needs to make “serious changes” if he’s going to have a stable presidency.

    “I think he’s in a position right now where he’s much more isolated than he realizes,” Gingrich said in an interview with Fox News’ Bill Hemmer. “On the Hill he has far more people willing to sit to one side and not help him right now and I think that he needs to recognize that he’s taken a good first step with bringing in General Kelly but he needs to think about what has not worked. You don’t get down to 35 percent approval and have people in your own party shooting at you and conclude that everything’s going fine.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/18/newt-sounds-the-alarm-trump-wont-have-stable-presidency-without-serious-changes-video/

  11. @ Bear Klein:
    Only time will tell whether it was a blunder or a clever psychological ploy. I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt since there are only two choices today, him or our common enemies who are looking for any opening. The best way to argue against an opponent is to find somebody coming from the same place as your opponent and quote him. Let’s not give the enemy ammunition.

    And yes, as I have mentioned, I share your concerns about Israel and the hiring of people like McMaster and Kelly. The firing of Bannon is also regrettable, but let’s face it, Bannon should not have been speaking against the President’s policy publicly. Only in Israel is it considered OK for the Attorney General and members of the cabinet to undermine the Prime Minister.

    I never believe those approval ratings. They never seem to conform with what I see with my own eyes. I think he is really popular with the slightly more than half of the country that voted for him, just as Obama was.

    It would be bad to have a President who panders to approval ratings which are largely manipulated by the MSM.
    Humor
    Reminds me of that classic quip:
    “Who ya gonna believe. Me, or your lying eyes?”

    The way liberals keep having to back off from all of their accusations and grudgingly acknowledge his astounding achievements reminds me of this monty python clip: name one thing the roman empire has ever done for you. to .leftists.

    https://youtu.be/Y7tvauOJMHo

  12. @ Bear Klein:
    I think this Black female Truck driver who supports Trump is more representative. I believe her before I believe Gingrich who has his own ambitions and agenda. Or cooked statistics.

    “Robinson is black and her support of Trump has put her at odds with many in her life, costing her friendships and straining family relationships.

    But the 63-year-old retired truck driver sees the controversy over Trump’s response to Charlottesville as being driven by those seeking to disrupt his agenda and push backers like her away. She said she knows he pays no deference to racists and feels he is the only president who has ever spoken directly to blacks. She admires his refusal to sugarcoat his beliefs.”

    And the others cited as well.
    See article below.

    “Trump’s die-hard supporters unfazed: ‘He is everybody’s president’”
    CHICAGO NEWS 08/16/2017, 04:48pm
    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/trumps-die-hard-supporters-unfazed-he-is-everybodys-president/

    “There are three kinds of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics” – British Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli as quoted by Mark Twain.

  13. Bear Klein Said:

    The hardcore original Trumpists probably are sticking with him.

    I wonder if a study has been done. I didn’t vote for him in the Republican primary. In NY, only Cruz and Trump were left. I was in the minority who voted for Cruz based on Caroline Glick’s endorsement and Trump’s vacillation on the TSS. I don’t have party loyalties, I switched from independent to Republican so I could vote for Huckabee, the only pro-Yesha candidate from start to finish. But, I voted without hesitation for Trump in the general election and I will stick with him for 8 years. I somehow doubt I am alone.

    In NY State and NYC elections I vote Democrat on the Working Families party line because local issues take precedence and I am in favor of relief for low income tenants and homeless people. I will vote for DeBlasio for mayor and to re-elect President Trump but I wouldn’t vote for either for the other’s job.

  14. I have to qualify that. I voted for the Republican candidate for Mayor against De Blasio the first time, because the last time we had a Democrat for Mayor, Dinkins, a Pogrom was allowed to take place in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. And Republicans Giuliani and Bloomberg were friendlier to tenants than Mayor Edward Koch who was in place for 16 years in which both crime and police corruption and brutality were rampant. In the 500 year history of the city, it was only under Koch and ever since that you couldn’t afford some kind of an apartment however crummy that would cost one week’s pay, even on a minimum wage job. I can’t believe they renamed the 59th St. Bridge after him. And Beame and Lindsay bankrupted the city and allowed crime to flourish. But, none of that has happened under De Blasio. Despite police criticisms, my experience is that the city has never been safer. And in Trump’s hands, the country.

    I have full confidence in both of them and will vote to re-elect and give them the benefit of the doubt where I disagree despite having voted against Trump in the primary and DeBlasio in the General election, the first time round.

    The MSM always acts as though state and local elections are necessarily a litmus test for the national mood of the electorate. But, I remember reading a study conducted more than once, I believe, that showed that even when most Americans were disgusted with Congress, they usually were happy with those they had sent their from their district or state.

    I wonder how many others like me there are.

  15. In 2000, I voted for Gore, but in 2004 I voted to re-elect President Bush. That was the first time I voted Republican for President. I suppose I take after my father, here, though I’m not trying to. The first Presidential election he was able to vote in, he voted for Adlai Stevenson against Eisenhower, but he later voted for Nixon, Reagan and Bush Jr. not sure about senior, though he sometimes voted Democrat in some races. He voted for candidates not parties, which he didn’t believe in either.

  16. Yes, I’m pretty sure I remember he voted for Bill Clinton for President but Republican for U.S. Senate at the same time. He looked at individual performance and platforms as well as listening to the recommendations of his friends in the corporate world.

  17. After Bannon firing Trump is Kaput the most loyal base will desert Trump and Bannon will attack relentlessly…. He know a lot of what went on behind closed doors too….. Trump was soo stupid to fire him #WAR !!! He won’t attack Trump directly just those around him especially shit heads Jarret and Ivanka none popular with the base, McMasters and Kelly Dina Powell and others…. Trump veers from his campaign agenda he will attack policy……

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/19/great-trump-thanks-bannon-service/

  18. @ yamit82:
    You could be correct about some of the base leaving him. His big promises need to be fufilled, in the end that is how he will be judged and that is what will determine Nov. 2020 voting.

    1. Tax Reform / Regulation Reform
    2. Tighter immigration with a Wall or Security System, Securing USA against Jihadis
    3. Repeal & Replace Obama Care
    4. Better Trade Policies
    5. Support for Israel moving the Embassy

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