Plaut: “neither Israeli citizenship nor national sovereignty” for the Arabs

Middle East Non-Solutions
By Steven Plaut, AMERICAN THINKER

The mantra crops up almost everywhere.  “You Israelis have two simple choices,” it goes.  “You can either annex all of the ‘occupied territories’ and grant equal Israeli citizenship to all of the Palestinians there, in which case Israel will no longer be a Jewish state.  Or you can agree to a two-state solution, in which Israel continues to exist alongside a Palestinian Arab state.  Simple.  Make your choice!”  The posing of these two “choices” for Israel is part of the campaign to convince Israelis that there is no alternative to the “Two-State Solution.”

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The first “alternative” is often dubbed these days the “One-State Solution” by its anti-Israel advocates.  Israel and its Jewish population would be enfolded within a larger Arab-dominated Islamic state.  A better term for this is the “Rwanda Solution.”  It is little more than a recipe for a second Holocaust of Jews, a Nazi-style final solution, in which the Middle East conflict would end because the Jewish population of the Middle East would be exterminated.

But the “Two State Solution” is little better.  The creation of a “Palestinian” state “alongside Israel” would not solve anything and would not end the conflict.  To the contrary, it would be the opening round for a major escalationin the conflict and the launching of an all-out war by “Palestine” against the rump Jewish state — a war in which “Palestine” would be joined and backed by the entire Arab world and much of the non-Arab Muslim world.  Like rump Czechoslovakia after Munich, the remaining Jewish mini-state would be the target for aggression and irredentist belligerence, manifested in rocket and missile attacks.  The thousands of rockets that were fired at Sderot and the Negev after the unilateral Israeli withdrawal from Gaza will appear as a child’s game by comparison.

Let us note that neither the “One State ” nor the “Two State” is a viable solution to the Middle East conflict.  Neither would resolve anything.

There is no two-state solution — only a two-state “solution.”  There is also no such thing as a “One-State Solution,” at least if one means by that the granting of Israeli citizenship to all those claiming to be “Palestinians.”  So how must Israelis respond to the diktat that they choose either the one or the other?   They must answer neither.

Israelis cannot formulate and propose “solutions” to the Middle East conflict for the exact same reason why the Western allies could not have proposed or formulated any “solution” to the ambitions of Germany in the late 1930s.  No solution would have satisfied those ambitions, and none could have appeased Hitler.  The quest in the 1930s for “solutions” resulted in years of delay, during which Germany re-armed and support for Hitler within Germany solidified.  Similarly, no “solution” could have prevented the assaults against Pearl Harbor, Malaya, and the Philippines by Imperial Japan.  The only solution to those conflicts was Western victory.

In short, “solutions” are magical panaceas sought by lazy, shallow, and impatient minds.

The entire Oslo “peace process” initiated by Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres was based upon the belief that peace can be achieved by pretending that war does not exist.  Never mind what the Arabs are saying.

The Middle East conflict also has nothing to do with territory.  The Arab countries already control territory nearly twice that of the United States (including Alaska), while Israel is smaller than New Jersey.  The architects of the “peace process” argued that possession of territory twice the size of the U.S. without the Everglades-sized West Bank is a recipe for endless war, but if Israel just turns that Everglades-sized zone over to the “Palestinians,” all will be peaceful.  Twenty-two sovereign Arab states have produced war and barbarism, but creating a 23rd Arab state as a “Two State Solution” will produce peace.

Now, if Israelis refuse to embrace the above two pseudo-solutions, insists the left, then Israel will end up an “apartheid regime” — one in which “Palestinian Arabs” live under endless Israeli “occupation” and control, but without Israeli citizenship, without the right to vote.  It is always amusing to hear whining about the absence of the Palestinian right to vote in Israeli elections, especially when it comes from the very same people who do not care that Arabs have no free elections anywhere else in the Middle East.  And never mind that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that is not an apartheid regime.  Essentially, the insistence that Israel must choose one of the two pseudo-solutions or else it will morph into an “apartheid regime” amounts to the belief that Israelis are better off allowing their country to be annihilated rather than risk becoming the target of name-calling.

In reality, the most productive way to seek to resolve the Middle East is to take as the starting point the list of what is ruled out, what must never be.  No “solution” to the Middle East conflict is possible if it involves creation of an Arab “Palestinian” state, and none is possible if it involves “Palestinians” being granted Israeli citizenship.  Both of these nonstarters must be ruled out absolutely.  Once that is understood, any proposal based upon those two nevers can be taken into consideration.

The immediate implication is that Israel must remain in the West Bank, and the “Palestinian” population there will be granted neither Israeli citizenship nor national sovereignty.  The United States occupied Okinawa for decades, and American national historic and culturalroots did not originate in Okinawa.  Indeed, American armed forces still fill that island.  There is no time limit on how long Israeli “occupation” can last, and the very word “occupation” is actually a misnomer.  In any case, the Israeli presence in the West Bank is sui generis and not comparable to any other case of “occupation.”

So if West Bank “Palestinians” will be granted neither Israeli citizenship nor national sovereignty, what can they be offered?  The original “peace proposals” offered by Israel in the 1970s and 1980s spoke about limited local autonomy.  Had the Palestinians played their cards right, they could have enjoyed as much freedom and prosperity under local autonomy as do Puerto Rica, Guam, and American Samoa.  But the Israeli Labor Party lost patience with the idea after a few years and decided to frog-leap to a “Two State Solution.”  It imported Yasser Arafat’s storm troopers into the suburbs of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and proclaimed its “recognition” of the “Palestinian people.”

There is indeed another “solution” for West Bank “Palestinians” unhappy with the two nevers defining conflict resolution.  They can leave.  There are those 22 sunny Arab states, plus lots of other Muslim states, whither any unhappy West Bank “Palestinian” can move and live amongst his kin.  After all, Jews unhappy with life in Argentina, France, or Hungary demand not the annihilation of those countries, but merely the right to move to Israel.  The fact that the “Palestinians” prefer Israeli “occupation” over blissful residence in thesealternative countries speaks volumes about just how badly treated the “poor suffering Palestinians” really are.

The “Palestinians” find these constraints on their options distasteful?   Too bad!  Part of adulthood means coming to terms with the fact that, as in Mick Jagger’s words, “[y]ou can’t always get what you want.”  What the “Palestinians” and their apologists want is the annihilation of Israel and a second Holocaust of Jews.

And they are not going to get what they want.

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  1. How strange life can be! See http://www.publici.com/node/2919 (link I found below latest debka article) and it seems that Assad has agreed with Syrian Kurds they will have their own independent state inside Syria which poses a mortal threat to Turkey. It seems to me that more and more Assad, the Alaiwtes and the Syrian Christians are thinking independently in their battle to survive. Assad becomes the key factor in defeating Obama and NATO. Rather than the Kurds gaining independence by opposing Assad they are going to gain it in a unity with Assad against America. This will intensify the crisis within iranalso because there is no way that the Fundamentalists will give anything to the Kurds except death. remember what I said Assad is a secularist and the big conflict is between Islam and Secularism. Only through Secularism can these minorities survive. Ted a rethink with your buddy gerry is due…

  2. Yamit

    The “activists” ran to this old man for guidance and a ruling, he gave it, it was good, break down the fence and enter in thousands, but at the critical moment he reversed it. You call it what you like but I call it betrayal. What stinks for me is the fools, the “activists” who ran to him in the first place.

    And that was the highest level of thought and practice that Judaism could come up with at the critical point.

    And Jews of Sderot have suffered very much since, many Jews, many little Jewish children.

    This is where true Trotskyism differs from you Yamit. I do not hesitate to draw the most far reaching questions to answer and pay attention to the logic of the answer.

    Harris I pity you. You have just not grasped what this discussion is about. Please view the videos referred by Yamit and come forward with YOUR analysis.

    As regards the issue of land, any land, and who controls it. The starting point is war…the dark enemy is at war with the Jews. Now consider this re Sinai:

    “A NATION IS BORN
    At Mount Sinai the Jewish people become a nation. Again, this is a unique event which says a lot about the Jewish people. What’s so unique about it?
    Well, consider how the French became “the French.” Did they all wake up one morning to collectively decide they liked white wine and blue cheese and they were going to speak French? No. It was a long process. As with every other nation, this process involved a people living in a specific geographic area for an extended period of time and evolving a common language and a common culture born of a shared historical experience. Eventually, this people developed a political entity and government (with a king at its head) and they defined their boundaries, flew a flag, minted coins and called themselves France.
    For Jews the process of becoming a nation started outside their national homeland — in fact while in bondage and under the most adverse conditions designed to erase any cultural or historical identity. Jews did not become a nation by pledging allegiance to the State of Israel. A scraggly band of escaped slaves became a nation standing at the foot of Mount Sinai and saying to God: “We will do and we will listen” — that is, pledging to fulfill the commandments of the Torah and with time to understand the mission that came with it.
    Just as Abraham said, many, many generations earlier, “I choose to live, and if necessary to die, for the reality of God,” so too these descendants of Abraham made the same commitment.
    That’s how the Jews became the Nation of Israel.
    This is why we say that Judaism is not just a religion — it’s a national identity. Being a Jew is not the same as being a Christian. Christianity is purely a religious belief. You could be British, American, French and still be a Christian.
    Not so the Jews.
    The Jews can certainly become citizens of the countries in which they live and they often look and act like everyone else, but all the while, they and everyone else knows they are different. If they choose to deny this fact, the rest of the world will always remind them of it.
    Being a Jew is being part of a distinct people and a nation, which does have a land, does have a language, does have a history and a world mission.
    Most importantly, Jews have a specific relationship with God which is not just a religious/spiritual identity; it’s an all-encompassing view of the world — how to live every second of life — which is unique in the world.
    The Jewish national identity was forged by the experience at Mount Sinai where we committed to a mission, and a specific way of life to be lived in accordance with the commandments of the Torah, which is the guidebook for accomplishing that mission on a personal and national level.

    http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48932202.html

  3. @ andrew morris:

    Not appeasement, sir. It doesn’t work with Muslims. The only thing that works at present is “the strong horse”. But that steed seems to be locked in its stable.

    What I am after is “apPEACEment”. Certainly not at any cost. If killing Arabs/Muslims is all that it takes I am for it but there are an awful lot of them. I have no love for them and I certainly do not believe in turning the other cheek. But I would like to see what a different approach to these miserable, uncivilized pariahs and would be murderers, one that does not endanger Israel, might accomplish.

    I do believe that they should be cleared out of all Israeli territory. But they must go somewhere.

    Beloved pet dogs descended from wolves and your pussy cat was once a wildcat.

    Go outside this summer evening, Andrew. Take a deep breath. Perhaps you may catch a fresh, “subtly nuanced whiff” of a new approach to an old problem. The attar of an idea.

  4. @ andrew morris:

    Where’s “here”, Andrew?

    Southern Wisconsin? Or Israpundit?

    Or both?

    I have a carefully thought out answer to any of the three possible answers to the above questions.

    By the way. I don’t especially think of anything I have done as any kind of spectacular accomplishment. I always have been a more or less ordinary guy doing whatever task I was assigned to. Just like the US Army back in the Korean War years.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  5. @ Felix Quigley:

    Good morning, Mr. Quigly. Perhaps you require a little more sleep.

    Where in any of my letters did I suggest that Israel relinquish even a shred of its land.

    For your information the Sinai is Egyptian territory.
    I suggested that it be a place for all the pseudo Palestinians and you also, if you wish, to try to establish a viable homeland.

    Perhaps the lack of rebuttal to my letters is because it is difficult to reject a sensible and possibly workable solution to a so far insoluble problem. I would welcome non vitriolic suggestions. I am sure my ideas are not free of flaws and can always be improved.

    Perhaps you should take your nose out of Das Kapital and read up on a little more current history – say between 1947 and 2012.

  6. @ Felix Quigley:
    FQ, ref your comment 35…

    1) I weave all schemes for the future of Israel and the Jewish nation in my head. But such weavings are based on metrics that apply to considerations such as demography; industrial development; military capabilities; extractable energy resouces; actual or potential enemies, friends or allies; the political cohesiveness of the Jewish population; and other related variables. I put weigh and rank all relevant information which I can obtain. Then, in accord with my specific political and Jewish national philosphy and loyalites, I plan accordingly and write about it. The methods I described here, but for other purposes, is what I was trained to do while earning a master’s degree in urban and regional planning — partially as a graduate fellowship awardee with the City and Regional Planning program of the Department of Geography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in 1973-1974. In earlier years, I worked as a planning consultant on projects for the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Upper Mississipi River Basin Commission (UMRBC), and for various multi-county regional planning commissions.

    2) I was not aware of the involvement of any Jewish ravim in regard to the decision to destroy the small Jewish city of Yamit and to withdraw Jewish settlement from there or any other part of the Sinai Peninsula more than 30 years ago.

    3a) My Jewish local Jewish affiliations in Dane County, Wisconsin are strictly limited to the Lubavitcher Beit Chabad in nearby Madison, Wisconsin. Before his death, I was closely involved with Rav Meir Kahane, of blessed memory. I served him as his editor and local public of Kach Newsletter for a number of years, and I assisted him in publishing Kahane Magazine. During my period of residence in Israel, I was introduced to the late Dr Israel Eldad, who had been one of the leaders of the Jewish nationalist Lehi, the so-called Stern Gang from the name of its founder in the struggle for an independent Jewish state. I have no connection whatsoever with any liberal Jew or, for that matter, with any non-nationalist Jew, and I seek none.

    3b In American elections, I typically support Republicans for federal and some state offices. But I typically support local Democrats for office on the Dane County Board of Supervisors and for the Wisconsin State Assembly. I supported Governor Scott Walker in recent recall election. I am supporting Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan in their contest with President Obama.

    3c)I am election volunteer coordinator (EVC) in the Wisconsin 2nd Congressional District for the National Rifle Association-Institute of Legislative Affairs (NRA-ILA. In 1996 I co-founded the Wisconsin Class Three Sports Committee (WICTSC), a group of owners of federally-registered submachine guns, who held time/speed/accuracy matches for automatic weapons. Locally, I am active as co-founder of the Western Dane Coalition for Smart Growth and Environment (WDC/SGE).

    Any further questions?

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  7. Philosophy is about ideas and concepts. It is not threatening until the humans put their finger on it. Than it becomes apparently an issue of life and death. But we all die except for the philosophy. All the “isms” have failed and will fail until proven otherwise. They are all meant to subjugate the “innocent” humans.

  8. Felix Quigley Said:

    I would certainly reclaim the name Palestine in some form. That was surrendered too easily.

    Dear Mr. Quigley, are you aware that “Palestine” was a foreign Roman name applied to the conguered lands of the Jews in order to sever the Jews connection with the land. I believe it was derived from Phillistine, an enemy of the Jews. It is a throwing off of the colonial oppressors yoke to throw off their false names.
    Felix Quigley Said:

    This is why the great mass of Jewry behind their leaders stood on the sidelines and took no part in the Russian Revolution.

    It is my understanding that the Jews were so much identified with Marxism that the funding of hitler, and the “final solution”, by western capitalists was meant to eradicate Communisms spread by liquidating its carrier.
    In reading your posts I notice a propensity towards Trotskyism, Marxism and Communism. I understand that a form of Communism and Marxism existed in various countries: notably USSSR, China and Cuba which have either changed or failed. Has there been a nation following a Trotskyite model. IN this way I can compare actual nations with actual nations of varying ideologies rather than compare actual nations with philosophies. My experience has been that when an ideology is translated into an actual national govt there arises a completely different animal from what is philosophized.

  9. @ Felix Quigley:

    The film portrays events as a struggle between activists and bureaucrats, the latter in the form of the Yesha Council. But in effect while the Yesha Council were evil reactionaries it was the activists who were the really hopeless cases, with no theory, no history of revolutionary struggle. They were a mess from the word go.

    At one point in the film they all went running off to consult some doddery old fool for a “ruling” but this obviously doting old fool later changed his ruling. So much for the tea leaves.

    The whole upshot of these videos is that as far as Judaism is concerned it is not a revolutionary and adequate ideology, or theory and practice, in our modern epoch.

    One may agree or disagree with the rulings of R Shapira, now deceased, a major Torah scholar and Yeshiva head but he was also a Chief rabbi of Israel. Now rabbis are not expert in every field and depend on experts advice before making rulings based on Jewish law. if you withhold such advice or block it from our rabbis they do not have complete inputs when making rulings. According to the film the advice and inputs from the activists were blocked by Yesha council operatives.

    Not fair to call him “doddery old fool” and “doting old fool”. He was manipulated and can hardly be blamed. You speak as if Trotsky never made mistakes or lost battles and even wars at the head of the Red Army.

    Rav Shapira died at a very advanced age from natural causes. Trotsky much younger died in exile from Russia with a Ice pick buried in his brain. Some revolutionary Ha Ha?

    Judaism is the ultimate revolutionary idea since the beginning of mankind. If our rabbis and secular leaders were to follow the commandments as written and according to or sages we would be sitting in Cairo and Damascus many years go and Iran would be a huge open space from a Sat map.

  10. @ Felix Quigley:

    There are people like Yamit82 who in this day and age still reject Evolution, Charles Darwin, the work of Don Johanson and “Lucy”

    I don’t believe that human beings evolved from monkeys, or for that matter that any species evolved from any other. Species adapt and change a bit, but so far there is no convincing evidence that one of them mutated into another. Genetic similarity of species is no more an argument for evolution than for creation.

    what does it takes to make life in our universe?


    Big Bang creation of energy -> Matter-> Life-> Brain-> Mind & Sentience

    Science posits that the big bang was the beginning of time and space. But what about matter? That is considerably more enlightening, literally. The big bang did not produce matter as we know it, not any of the 92 elements such as carbon and oxygen, and not the protons, neutrons or electrons that would eventually combine to make the atoms of those elements. By a fraction of a microsecond following the creation, the primary material product of the big bang was concentrated as exquisitely intense energy. There are many types of energy, but the form most manifest microseconds after the creation was electro-magnetic radiation — in simplistic terms, something akin to super powerful light beams. Then, within the first few moments following the creation, as the universe raced outward, stretching space, a transition took place, a transition the basis for which was discovered by Albert Einstein and quantified in that most famous of equations, E = mc2, of energy condensing into the form of matter. A minute fraction of those light beams of energy metamorphosed and became the lightest of elements, primarily the gases of hydrogen and helium. Over eons of time, mutual gravitational forces pulled those primordial gases into galaxies of stars. The immense pressures within the stellar cores crushed the nuclei of hydrogen together, fusing them to form heavier elements and in doing so, releasing the vast amounts of energy we see as starlight. These forces of fusion coupled with those of stellar explosions, supernovae, yielded the 92 elements that eventually on planet earth became alive and sentient. All this built of the light-like energy of the creation. Now that is a cause for wonder.

    Light beams became alive, and not only became alive, but acquired the ability to wonder, became self-aware. The wonder is not whether this genesis took six days or 14 billion years or even eternity. The wonder is that it happened. Of that fact there is no debate in science. According to our best understanding of the universe and equally according to the most ancient commentaries on The Book of Genesis, there was only one physical creation. Science refers to it as the big bang. The Bible calls it the creation. Every physical object in this vast universe, including our human bodies, is built of the light of creation. we humans and all the matter we see about us may not look like the condensed energy of the big bang creation,(LIGHT BEAMS) but we are.

  11. Oberman

    comment 17

    I believe the solution right lies next door.
    The Sinai Desert is 3 times larger than Israel – 60,000km to Israel’s 21,000km. It has a population of 500,000 to Israel’s almost 8 million.

    Egypt has done virtually nothing to upgrade the Sinai since it was returned to them by Israel as a bribe for a cold peace.

    Until peace is well established there should be a buffer zone between Israel and the Sinai to protect Israel.

    Send the pseudo Palestinians to Sinai. Let the sympathetic world that presently sends hundreds of millions of dollars annually to support them in their various locations use that money to help them establish their own settlements, industries, agriculture and infrastructure just as the Israelis have done with such great success their desert areas.

    It is you that is the pseud

    That is exactly the kind of argument that was made at the time of the Gaza Withdrawal.

    So once again a large piece of land is surrendered by you to the enemy.

    I note that that comment by you went by without fuss and nobody objected.

    Jews went through all of that in Gaza. The biggest issue of the Gaza Withdrawal was the surrender to the enemy of land.

    i get very angry because i as a Marxist have to attack people like you and yet I get insulted etc. and ignored because of Marxism.

  12. Harris

    ref comment 23

    If there is any detail relating to the issues described above, but that I have missed addressing, kindly bring them to my attention. I will study them carefully and add them to my writings to the extent that I agree with them.

    The problem with your method is that you weave these schema in your head.

    But the reality of the Withdrawal from Gaza was far removed from your schema.

    Are you aware that according to the film introduced by Yamit that the Jews of Gaza were betrayed by the Rabbis especially and certainly by the Yesha bureaucracy.

    Have you written or spoken about this? And what are your political affiliations in America where I believe you live.

  13. A significant number of Jews will undermine Israel or will stand by

    Precisely correct!

    One or two comments refer to it but 95 per cent of comments using verbiage are hiding reality from Jews today.

    Let me go back to the evidence of the Gaza withdrawal and the evidence of the videos supplied by Yamit…

    Who can forget the sight of the Rabbis at the front of the march going up to their opponents, the IDF, and hugging them, hugs all round. Abysmal and sickening. Are those Rabbis still going their rounds in Israel or have they been driven out in shame?

    But that was the pay-off for the extreme backwardness preached on so many blogs for so long, all those insults against Marx, Lenin and Trotsky.

    The truth of the matter is that modern day Jewry could not organise a piss up in a brewery. The Russian Revolutionaries were supreme in every way. If you cannot face up to that then you are on the path of betrayal once more.

    What a contrast.

    All that denigration of the Marxists carried on by these reactionaries over so long had its come uppance and Hamas was handed a gift by the Jews.

    I remember as of yesterday the fights we had on Israpundit. There was equivalence and there was downright support. In the latter category was one Omri Coren. Did Coren ever apologise?

    On the broader front Sharon was a perfect example of a man unsuited for political life. A totally corrupt individual but it was not just an individual weakness.

    What Gaza brought into play was just what sort of a state this Israel was. It was never really for the Jews. It was for a capitalist clique who used the Jewish issue to enrich themselves.

    The film portrays events as a struggle between activists and bureaucrats, the latter in the form of the Yesha Council. But in effect while the Yesha Council were evil reactionaries it was the activists who were the really hopeless cases, with no theory, no history of revolutionary struggle. They were a mess from the word go.

    At one point in the film they all went running off to consult some doddery old fool for a “ruling” but this obviously doting old fool later changed his ruling. So much for the tea leaves.

    The whole upshot of these videos is that as far as Judaism is concerned it is not a revolutionary and adequate ideology, or theory and practice, in our modern epoch.

    The youth were there, ready to fight. But Judaism betrayed them. Judaism is incapable of fighting against Fascists.

    What has been learned from this whole terrible experience? Absolutely nothing. In this discussion Yamit has obviously taken his toys and went home to play.

    In this issue of Gaza Withdrawal and the evidence in the film all sections of Judaism betrayed big time. The biggest betrayers of all were the people who made the film, the so called “activists”, because they proved unable to lead when the chips were down, and had to go running to a totally absurd Rabbi, who later knifed the whole struggle in the back.

    And what about all these great “warriors” that I see prancing about in Yesha today? What lessons have they learned of the great betrayal of 2005? I think none!

  14. @ Arnold Harris:
    I would follow the guidelines you carefully developed.
    Regretfully, the first step and one Jews seem unwilling to take is to rid the leadership which has infested the Israeli systems. Not a small task that as they will not hesitate to expel, hound, murder by proxy so far and even “disappear” I forecast anyone they consider likely to to be able to organize the changes mandated.
    They are known as “the families” or “elites”. They operate a vast network of spies, saboteurs, and base criminals under the control of the infamous “Jewish section” of the general security services. They select and pay secondary leaders… that infiltrated virtually all communities.
    Nothing will change unless that rotten core is removed into FREELY elected Courts.

  15. @ Bernard Ross:
    BR,

    In connection with the questions being raised in this discussion, I am interested solely in Jewish expansion of the sovereignty of the State of Israel to give the Jewish nation a much larger country. My reason for that interest is that a large nationally-defined population living on a large geographic territory has a better chance of accumulating the power that enables it to survive the world’s perpetual wars brought about by the territorial imperative that governs all life, be it human, animal or vegetable.

    Therefore, I favor a national policy of carefully-planned aggression that can use against the enemies of the Jewish nation the cultural weaknesses that drive these enemies to attack Israel and the Jews. For a long time, however, Israel will should seek good commercial, industrial, political and military relationships with superpowers such as Russia and China, and other powerful states such as Japan, India and Germany. If all these factors are adroitly handled, plausible excuses can be found to maintain multi-generational wars of aggression masked as self-defense. That, by the way, is the way international relations always have been conducted, and probably nothing about that shall ever change.

    But the most important factor for immediate future is to build a nationalist, religious and centerist political coalition that could dominate political life in Israel for the foreseeable future.

    As for any non-Jews to have equal national rights in the Jewish state, from my point of view, that is a relatively unimportant question. Because from my point of view, they are merely an irritant. They can, over time, be forced out of the country. And don’t say that cannot be done. It has happened to Jews too many times through our long history. So I have no problem applying the same harsh rules to non-Jews.

    The day will come, I think, when Jews in general, and the national leadership of the Jewish nation and Jewish state, will act in accordance with the precepts that I have laid out here.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  16. @ Arnold Harris:
    You are correct- Israel is much too small for a modern dynamic state. That situation would be corrected, if only America (which it feels beholden to) did not exist. also if the EU (which Israel is associated with) did not exist. Also it would help if America was not so dependant on Arab oil, which we all wish did not exist. Also if there
    no world economic crises, which we all hope never happened.

    In a nutshell Israel would be so much better off if the rest of the world did not exist-especially Iran and all of the Muslim world.

  17. CuriousAmerican Said:

    My point is that Dr. Plaut’s article has poor analogies.

    I beg to differ, which is why I commented as I did. Let us look at your “poor analogy” to see its true purpose:
    CuriousAmerican Said:

    Samoans can deny residency to outsiders which is akin to stopping settlements.

    Hidden within your literary criticism is the inference that the settlers are the outsiders and the arabs are the analogy to the samoans. This is disingenuous and presumptous; also a sly way to make your real point. Your pretense of literary criticism is hollow to any who can see. My experience with tactics such as yours is that the Jew always ends up with the short end of the stick. By the way Puerto Ricans do not have all the benefits of full citizenship (one example: no SSI in PR).
    CuriousAmerican Said:

    Samoans have local control over their land; something which Dr. Plaut would never concede to Arabs.

    what cannot be conceded is that it is arab land, again you presume otherwise. They are the receivers of stolen property, akin to those Germans who got Jewish property when Jews were driven out.
    CuriousAmerican Said:

    …have full citizenship; something which Dr Plaut wants to deny to Judean/Samarian Arabs.

    what sane person would expect the Jews to coexist with a people who raise their children on Jew hatred and jew killing.
    CuriousAmerican Said:

    But Dr. Plaut, sadly, has shot himself in the foot with inappropiate analogies.

    Thank goodness they weren’t loaded!

  18. @ Bernard Ross:

    @ CuriousAmerican:

    Samoans can deny residency to outsiders which is akin to stopping settlements.

    Is your analogy that the Jewish settlers, who are the rightful residents returning to take back their stolen property from the muslim arab invaders, should be able to stop and dismantle the arab settlements?

    My point is that Dr. Plaut’s article has poor analogies. The Puerto Ricans, Guamians, and Samoans are not the people to use to make his point. That is all.

    Two of them: Puerto Ricans and Guamians have full citizenship; something which Dr Plaut wants to deny to Judean/Samarian Arabs. The third: Samoans have local control over their land; something which Dr. Plaut would never concede to Arabs.

    If Dr. Plaut wants to make a point, he should have used better analogies. There may be no appropriate analogies. But Dr. Plaut, sadly, has shot himself in the foot with inappropiate analogies.

  19. @ Arnold Harris: Why not just continue the status quo, what does Israel get in return, the usual BS promises? Right now there is no commitment to do or give anything; until there is a total annexation of the west bank there is no reason to do anything. Any security problems should be immediately deported to a neighboring border and if the PA seek a state a breach and failure of Oslo should be declared and all the terrorists allowed into Israel under Oslo should be deported to a neighboring border. In fact, buffer zones may be set up across the borders to recive the deportees. The UNRWA can then relocate their activities across the borders.

  20. I love Plaut for telling it like it is. What he left out is how to make “Palestinians” leave. Israel must offer them financial incentives to move to other Arab countries. This is not really fair, but will be better in the long run for both “Palestinians” and Jews. Also the Israeli government needs to stop being wimpy. Defend Israel in a strong, firm way. Don’t do things against “settlers.” Remember the Arab saying about admiring the strong horse. When the Arabs see that their methods don’t work and they really have a chance for a better life elsewhere, they will go. (Studies have shown that many (I forget the percentage) would move if they got a financial incentive.) One more thing. They must move to Arab/Muslim countries. The U.S., Canada and Europe can ill afford to have large numbers of Muslims moving in.

  21. @ Ben Ze’ev:

    BZ, here is exactly what I think about the question of Arabs residing in lands taken and annexed by Israel:

    1) Larger Arab communities will be left more or less intact and with autonomous rule in the hands of the traditional local Arab leadership families. The Arab leaderships of the autonomous communities will have the right to negotiate establishng lightly-armed police under their own control. However, Israel will maintain full right to military control over each such community, especially so if any when invasions threaten from outside Israel’s borders. Israel shall reserve the right to build modern Jewish neighborhoods in, and even more modern suburbs around, these Arab municipalities.

    2) Smaller Arab communities, including villages and agricultural trading centers, will have autonomous rule informally established with the cooperation of the Israeli government. Policing and military protection of these lesser Arab communities shall strictly remain under control of the government and armed forces of Israel.

    3) No local Arabs of any category who have not otherwise held Israeli citizenship will be entitled to any. All residents will be permitted to vote in local municipal and regional council elections. But no non-Jews, other than close kinsmen of Jews, will be permitted to vote in any elections for the Knesset.

    4) In order to be permitted to remain in residence on lands held as sovereign parts of the State of Israel, any non-Jews shall be required to declare themselves at permanent peace with both the Jewish nation and the Jewish state. Anyone refusing such a binding oath shall be expelled from the country, but they shall be permitted access to funds gained from the sale of their property to Jews and permitted non-Jewish residents of Israel. All non-Jews who promise to respect the rights of the Jewish nation to possession of its historic lands, and who promise further to make no trouble for the government of Israel, violent or otherwise, shall be permitted to take employment and to enjoy benefits of modern public education, public health and to purchase health insurance for clinical or hospital-based treatment.

    5) There shall be no further imprisonment of Arabs at the expense of the Jewish taxpayers and the bureaucracy of the Jewish state. Those caught with arms in hand and who engaged in armed terrorism against Israel, shall be shot dead if they do not promptly surrender, and will be permanently expelled from the country if they do surrender.
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    If there is any detail relating to the issues described above, but that I have missed addressing, kindly bring them to my attention. I will study them carefully and add them to my writings to the extent that I agree with them.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  22. @ Ben Ze’ev:

    This would be giving the Pseudo Palestinians a chance at a decent, non mendicant life. It might just set a positive example for the “teeming Arab millions” who are presently subjected to the whims of their dictatorial rulers and ruthless religious leaders.

    If it doesn’t work what can be done? Total annihilation of “the teeming millions”? Perpetual warfare with our Arab enemies? Dissolution of the state of Israel.

    I am well aware that the Arabs have always considered agreements and treaties (hudnas) as temporary arrangements that were to be broken when expedient. Careful monitoring at the outset with gradual withdrawal of monitors if and when it is deemed safe would be necessary in light of past history.
    The buffer zone could be permanent unless Israel feels it it no longer necessary. That should be Israel’s choice.
    Is a mind change possible? I don’t know.
    Is a remotely possible positive outcome worth the effort? I can not think of any alternative that has as good a chance of succeeding.

    The Sinai is virtually vacant. The Arab refugees and their non refugee descendants need a place to make a life or, at least be given a chance to do so.

    Please tell me what you suggest.

  23. @ Arnold Harris:
    You carelessly (seemingly) ignored the teeming Arab millions who populate these areas other than Sinai. So I regard your beautifully detailed plan as being incomplete. Assuming that the populations stayed, granted local autonomy, what do . you think might be their activities from then on. We have ample examples of their ignoring solemn treaties, opporunistic fabrications and collusion with outside enemiesof Israel. So….what do you think about it??

  24. I believe the solution right lies next door.
    The Sinai Desert is 3 times larger than Israel – 60,000km to Israel’s 21,000km. It has a population of 500,000 to Israel’s almost 8 million.

    Egypt has done virtually nothing to upgrade the Sinai since it was returned to them by Israel as a bribe for a cold peace.

    Until peace is well established there should be a buffer zone between Israel and the Sinai to protect Israel.

    Send the pseudo Palestinians to Sinai. Let the sympathetic world that presently sends hundreds of millions of dollars annually to support them in their various locations use that money to help them establish their own settlements, industries, agriculture and infrastructure just as the Israelis have done with such great success their desert areas.

    With the necessary financing from the presumably sympathetic world, the know how of Israel and the strict supervision and monitoring of the use of their finances a new, modern, successful, ultimately independent land of peace and security could grow in the Sinai Desert.

    Providing, of course, that the Arabs truely do want peace and are willing to provide their intelligence and labour to build a country instead of to destroy one.

  25. @ SHmuel HaLevi: Well put, Shmuel. It is now time to propose practical methods of transferring the hostile arab muslim population. All of the inducement methods are good and can be executed in many ways but must be funded by others and not Israel. There can be UN grants to various countries and NGO.s who facilitate resettlement, etc. However, forced transfer should be considered simultaneously with economic inducement. First, the entire PLO govt and militia structure should be immediately deported with the legal excuse of breach, and failure of, of Oslo. The PLO were allowed in as part of Oslo and with its breach and failure there is no reason for them to remain. This means that all past and current members and their families are deported which will remove the most dangerous. Afte that an ongoing campaign to deport the families of any security problems as they arise. It is a matter of being motivated to ones own interests. Israel has the advantage of being surrounded by neighbors with whom it is at war and therefore needs no agreements for population transfers to those countries(Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, soon Egypt and possibly Jordan). For those that are squeamish about this approach I invite them to revisit what was done to Jews living for centuries in Arab countries at the drop of a hat, what STILL obtains in all areas under muslim control in Israel and the surrounding countries(JEW FREE)and what is being proposed for the jews in the future, by the arabs. Jews keep worrying about the arabs but not about themselves. They have a billion muslims to take care of them, who do the Jews have?

  26. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Samoans can deny residency to outsiders which is akin to stopping settlements.

    Is your analogy that the Jewish settlers, who are the rightful residents returning to take back their stolen property from the muslim arab invaders, should be able to stop and dismantle the arab settlements?

  27. @ Yidvocate:
    100% correct!

    In fact a “2-state ” solution was put in place by the British in the early 1920 which I now I paraphrase ,( from a book written in 1956 by Sir Alec Kirkbride, who held various senior diplomatic posts in Palestine over more than 30 years) entitled ” A Crackle of Thorns”:-

    ‘ The areas to the east of the River Jordan were to serve for use in settlement of Arabs once the National Home for the Jews in Palestine [west of the River Jordan]became an accomplished fact’

  28. There is no logical basis to try to establish a status for the Arab invaders. The drive to do so is entirely originated by enemies of Eretz Israel and Jewish Heritage.
    Cowing to the sham would be akin to setting up cantons in our land for Romans/Italians, Greeks, Ottomans and British. After all they also invaded and occupied our Land.
    The Arab Hamulas in Eretz Israel are formerly nomadic extended families, tribes if one may say, that settled in Eretz Israel under the wings of the mentioned above foreign invaders from Europe.
    They are here as the net result of the replacement policies of the Romans and those that continued with those policies thereafter.
    The Romans also replaced… the name of our Land specifically to coincide with their overall replacement plans.
    Consequently there must not ever be an allocation of our country’s land to those that are here serving the original plans of those that brought them here.
    The time is fast approaching when we, the Jewish people in Eretz Israel, will have to promote the return to their Lands of those that under the cover of the occupying powers, came in to usurp Jewish National Heritage rights and properties.
    Simply, the mask is now off and the plans of replacement widely exposed.
    Further. Internal enemies allied with the said foreign powers financing openly treasonous activities here must also be brought to justice. Including those operating under cover of “security agencies” chartered to secure solely the assimilated “elites” and their controllers plans. Newly and freely elected by the people courts and judges must be set in place replacing the whole so called justice system implanted by the mentioned allies of the foreign invaders.
    The Islamic Arabs must never be offered anything but facilities to remove themselves back to their original lands.

  29. I have respect for Plaut. He is witty and some of his formulations here are gems. Also he has carried on a struggle almost on his own against the Fascist Left or Israel Self Haters in the Universities of Israel.

    There is much repetition in all of these formulations of the issue. Without ever finding the key.

    There are those who say that Israeli people must become true believers in the Bible and that Theocracy will be good.

    There are people like Yamit82 who in this day and age still reject Evolution, Charles Darwin, the work of Don Johanson and “Lucy” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Johanson) passes them by.

    Yet the person above who hinted that the Israeli and Jewish struggle is first and foremost a national struggle is absolutely right.

    It takes religious forms among a lot of people and that is to be expected and respected.

    But in essence it is about a people, a real and amazingly tenacious people.

    It points to the power of nation and nationalism

    Stalin’s theses on nationalism were heavily attacked by the Bolsheviks themselves. But Stalin won out because the Russian Revolution as the years 1923 to 1927 went by was becoming more and more isolated by massive defeats in Germany (1923) Britain (1926) and China (1927)

    In a period of defeat Stalin was becoming stronger while his political line was more and more liquidating the revolutionary forces, leading on to the massive betrayal to the Nazis in 1933 and to Franco in the Spanish Civil War 1936 to 39

    But there is no rule in the wide world that says that nationalists must be parochial.

    Now the big events in the world are the result of the world economic crisis in capitalism. These events are not only economic, they become political.

    In these conditions capitalism led by the US makes a deal with the forces of Islam. We see this in event after event. The first big one was in Indonesia leading to the liquidation of a million communist cadre. In our political memory there was Yugoslavia where the Alliance was so open, backing of the Islamist Fundamentalist Izetbegovic. Then the visit of Obama to Cairo in June 2009, then the war on Gadhafi, now Syria and so on.

    Not once did the Israeli leaders take a position on any of these events. I read that Netanyahu did offer Asylum to Mubarak but that is not a real position.

    Yet these are huge positions and Israeli leadership, all aspects of it, are proving unable to take up a political position.

    What really unites the Israeli leadership, all levels, including Yamit82ian level, is fear of and hatred of Communism, of Marxism, of Trotskyism.

    It is not lack of empathy for the suffering poor, as in Haiti. They do this in abundance.

    It is real fear of revolutionary change.

    This is why the great mass of Jewry behind their leaders stood on the sidelines and took no part in the Russian Revolution. Even though that struggle of workers and peasants saved the Jews from certain Holocaust because if the Whites had come to power behind Kerensky that would have been the certain result.

    That White ideology became the backbone of Hitler’s Nazism.

    At every level, including the Plautian level, Israel is a most conservative country and is an opponent of socialism just as much as is the Vatican.

    That in essence is the real problem.

    This is also why many of these bloggers delight in describing these wretches such as Chomsky as “The left” a practice attacked by both Jared Israel and Francisco Gil White, who are big supporters of Israel.

    The working class does not have a culture as such. And 4international takes as its starting point on this issue the product of the best minds of capitalism in 1917 to 1923, especially the San Remo treaty, which set aside specific territory for the Jewish Homeland.

    Those minds thought the Jewish Homeland should be the area of present Israel, Judea and Samaria, Sinai, Golan, Gaza AND Jordan.

    We have the best and most generous minds of capitalism on our side.

    I would certainly reclaim the name Palestine in some form. That was surrendered too easily.

    I would immediately end the Mosque on top of the temple and rebuild the Temple there for Jews to practice freely in their old honoured place. The wall is only a side entrance.

    I would then and immediately wage a war to retake Gaza and to place in Exile all of the Hamas leadership, and break up its machinery.

    I would do precisely the same for Fatah.

    I would not talk to America again until they release Pollard and pay him compensation.

    As I have said so often this is a dictatorship, a dictatorship of the Jews, just as in 1917 Russia, an entirely beneficial social and historical development.

    The dictates of the Jews are placed first. Then in that context I would employ the best teaching minds so that the REAL and TRUTHFUL history of this issue is placed in front of all people, Jews and Arabs.

    There would in this context be both patience and also very strict observance of laws of treason. For example anybody, following knowledge of the Holocaust, lifts a stone against a Jew would be expelled immediately. I anticipate massive expulsions because I am a realist.

    And if necessary only Jews live in Israel. Jews did not create one ounce of Antisemitism. If necessary until we defeat this phenomenon Jews must be able to live alone to be free to live as Jews, unmolested.

  30. So if West Bank “Palestinians” will be granted neither Israeli citizenship nor national sovereignty, what can they be offered? The original “peace proposals” offered by Israel in the 1970s and 1980s spoke about limited local autonomy. Had the Palestinians played their cards right, they could have enjoyed as much freedom and prosperity under local autonomy as do Puerto Rica, Guam, and American Samoa

    .

    Puerto Ricans, Guamians have full American citizenship. Absolutely full. They can set foot in the USA and vote and even run for President.

    American Samoans have a limited American nationality, but can control access to their territory.

    Samoans can deny residency to outsiders which is akin to stopping settlements.

    The example is terrible and oddly proves the point of the Palestians.

  31. @ yamit82:
    I agree. Security agencies would not allow resistance of any kind. There are high tech eyes and ears everywhere, and unlimited ways to control a small society such as Israel’s.

    However, what I have in mind is a completely peaceful and legal organization – somewhat like a labor union – that would represent the interests of Yesha Jews. Something non-political, with membership that would include prominent Israeli and Diaspora Jews, with democratically elected leadership, and with enough numbers and enough moral authority to at least be heard by authorities.

    This is something that grassroots leaders have never even tried.

    The Build-Build philosophy was fine in pioneer days. But from 1967 on the main goal should have been full sovereignty over Sinai, Gaza, and Judea/Samaria. And to get that they needed a well-defined plan, unity and clout. With full sovereignty they could have built as much as they wanted – without fear of expulsions.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    At this point the government may be using Migron and possibly other small sites in the future, as training ground for more effective (less messy) mass expulsions.

    I watched the video Meraglim earlier this year, from the link offered by one of your talkbacks. It is heartbreaking.

    But after the heartbreak comes the anger, and Jews should use their anger to get back at those who betrayed them by forming a powerful independent Jewish union of their own all across the settlements and the country.

    What authorities fear the most is not resistance from a few settlers, or pathetic Price Tag operations (if they are not false flag to start with) – but a Jewish organization they could not control the way they control political parties and the Yesha Councils.

    Any well-organized attempt at popular unity to legally challenge government violations of Jewish rights and ownership of Yesha, would threaten the elite’s plan to shrink Israel and turn it into a high-tech and fun-in-the-sun and gay paradise where fortunes can be built. And if Jews lose their land, not to worry, they say. They have a plan for that too. They can always build artificial islands offshore, as a top Israeli leader once seriously proposed.

  32. Perhaps we should look at ourselves for the solution to the problem. It seems to be a national characteristic
    that we cannot say “This is our land, get out!”. We do not have to be charitable to everyone that hates us. There
    is a time for charity and a time for hard-headed action, and Jews and Israel do not seem to know the difference.

  33. Israel cannot be limited to the approximate 10,000 square miles of land it will have once Shomron and Yehuda are annexed. That would amount to an Israel the size of New Jersey plus the Dane and Rock counties here in south-central Wisconsin.

    A united Israel, comprising mostly Jews and with Jews alone allowed the privileges of governance over the Jewish state, must be expanded.

    The carefully researched data gathered by demographer Yoram Ettinger shows that the Jewish population of Eretz-Yisrael has been expanding at a relative net rate of about 2% per year, with that rate rising in recent years. This means a purely-Jewish population doubling about every 36 years. In other words, with all other variables relatively constant, Israel can achieve a Jewish population of 12 million by 2048, which will coincide with the first centennial of the State of Israel. Further out, that population could double again to some 24-25 million by 2084 and could grow to some 35 million by the end of this century.

    At first glance, these numbers obviously sound more fantastic than real. To no small degree, Jews for the past 28-29 centuries have been continuously conditioned mentally to think small and to crawl into this or that family-size shelter or community-size ghetto as a means of self-protection.

    But the core of the meaning of having an independent state is that the Jewish nation has sovereignty — in this case, a sovereignty that awaits a government with the courage to stand alone and to plan and act solely in terms of the interests of the Jewish nation that they represent. One day, Israel indeed shall have such a government. Whether that government is democratic is irrelevant. My only concern is that it must first and foremost represent Jewish nationalism — which precisely is what Zionism has been about since it was conceptualized and organized by great men such as Herzl and Jabotinsky. With this in mind, I posit the following as being self-evident. A truly Jewish nationalist government will fully comprehend that Israel’s surrounding Arab neighborhood permanent is and shall remain hostile to everything Israeli or Jewish. Survival of the Jewish nation in such a neighborhood requires a stronger Jewish state. A stronger Jewish state needs a greatly-expanded Jewish population. A greatly-expanded Jewish population, in turn, requires a greatly-expanded land area and its resources under the firm control of the Jewish state and the Jewish nation.

    This means that no opportunity ever should be neglected in which the Jewish state and its Jewish army responds to every significant act of armed hostility against itself — including threats of imminent destruction from countries with dreams of building weapons of mass destruction in order to fulfill such threats — must be met with armed attack attack — either as response or pre-emption — against the territory from which any such act of war is mounted.

    After Israeli sovereignty is established in Shomron and Yehuda. the next obvious target should be the retaking of control over the Sinai peninsula, and this time, its irrevocable annexation by the State of Israel followed by Jewish residential, commercial, industrial and extractive development of that territory.

    Next in line should be the portion of the present blatherskite state of Lebanon that lies south of the Litani River.

    Following that would be retaking of much or all lands immediately east of the Jordan River, the Dead Sea and the Arava valley and southward, so that Israel minimally controls all lands on both sides of the Straits of Tiran.

    Next should be Jewish national incursions northeastward into that other blatherskite state of the Middle East created by British and French imperialism — Syria. Israel’s long-term goal should be borders on the north with Turkey, on the northeast with Kurdistan, on the east with the Syrian Desert, on the west with the Mediterranean Sea, and on the southwest with the Suez Canal and the Gulf of Suez.

    Israel has the most rock-solid 21st century industrial base in the entire Middle East. Shortly she shall have not only fossil energy independence but will also have the means to join the energy-providing countries in the world. All that — plus the growing military might that will be deployable by Israel as the population grows — will make Israel an ally sought by other world power players not because of their purported sympathy with the Jews, but because of Israel’s industrial, commercial and military importance. The masters of this world care nothing about sympathy, but only about power. And I wholeheartedly agree with them. With power, you are feared and your will national will becomes fiat over your international neighborhood. But without power, you are despised, robbed, cheated and murdered. So take your choice. Before ha-Shem revokes the promises made to our ancient forefathers and rewards them to a worthier nation that lives without the fears of cowards.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  34. There is a very easy solution to this, and it is practiced in the most advanced societies. In Israel, it should be a one state solution, but please, take note, it must be a fully Jewish state.

    Arabs will not be given citizenship in that state. And this is normal by international standards.

    The three richest and most successful states in Europe are Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and Switzerland. Ranked by GDP per capita, they are also among the Top-5 wealthy nations world wide.

    Liechtenstein has a 33% foreign population rate. Luxembourg’s foreigner quote is 43% and Switzerland has about 23% foreign nationals ratio. We are talking here about foreigners living in these countries for many generations, happily. Most moreover, will never ever naturalize in their host countries.

    Between the Mediterranean Sea and River Jordan about 6 million Jews are living and some 3 million Arabs. Like the foreigners in Luxembourg or Switzerland, these Arabs can remain in Israel. In similar fashion, should these Arabs leave, they lose their right to live in Israel within a few months.

    Continuously, for over 3’000 years and right until today, the land of Israel has been home of the Jewish people. Jewish law was codified in the Jerusalem Talmud in Israel about 1’500 years ago. Some 1’000 years ago grammar and punctuation in use by Jewish people today were formalized in Israel, in Tiberias. More recent, in the 17th century, regulations for daily life were established in the Shulchan Aruch authored in Safed, in Israel. Also during that time in Israel, commentaries to the Book of Zohar were written which laid the basis for the Hassidic life-style and beliefs still vibrant in modern day Judaism.

    Arabs already have 22 countries where they can fully pursue Muslim self-determination. If they miss Islamic culture, they may join their Ummah brethren abroad.

    Importantly, the indigenous Jewish population in the Land of Israel must never make place to foreign Arab intruders. Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel has in modern times been ratified by the League of Nations and was subsequently adopted by member nations at the establishment of the United Nations.

    Israel should forthwith assert its sovereignty over all of the Land of Israel. What are they waiting for?

  35. PART 2 – To the delight of anti-Zionists, these grassroots leaders have squandered time and energy chanting Build-Build, only to see many of those constructions bulldozed by the state or handed over to the Arabs (Sinai, Gaza). And so far there is absolutely no change in their attitude of RELUCTANCE TO ORGANIZE ALL SETTLEMENTS to stop construction freeze, abuse of settlers’ rights, Arab encroachment, and to demand sovereignty. Peace Now and the government must secretly love those Jewish grassroots leaders who send their youth to carry out carpentry projects on the hilltops instead of uniting them in one big and effective Yesha organization!

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    Migron Dilemma: To protest or not to Protest
    Residents of nearby and much smaller Givat Assaf, facing the same fate, have urged their Migron neighbors to resists expulsion.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159270

    Other communities asking Migron to resist! As if they were not all Jews, as if they were not all living in the same country. It is beyond sad.

    And notice how certain people will argue “It’s no use, protests don’t work” – hiding the fact that the Gush Katif defenders could have succeeded except that they were betrayed by their LEADERSHIP, both political and religious leadership.

    PS – I’d like to get inside the mind of the system that selects comments for moderation. Is it the length of the talkback? Is it the punctuation? The number of quotes? The number of links, perhaps? The subversive tone of the last contribution? – Or is it purely arbitrary, depending on its mood? 🙂 Ahh … another mystery of the universe for us to ponder about…

  36. What about Israeli sovereignty for Yesha NOW?

    There’s a strange quiet about the fact that the state of Israel is about to make MIGRON Jews homeless.

    The state is rewarding Jewish submissiveness with the offer of a few stinking caravans. Leave without causing trouble and we’ll replace your dignity and your beautiful home with caravans, the government says.

    Migron told: Leave willingly or be homeless
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159299

    ~~~~~~~~~

    Where is the outrage? Were this happening in Europe, Israeli leaders would be shouting at the top of their voices against such abuse of human rights, such discrimination against Jews while other nationalities are respected. In the Israeli case hundreds of thousands of truly illegal Arab constructions on both sides of the Green Line are ignored and even assisted by the government.

    This tragedy is the result of decades of Jewish disunity and misguided grassroots leadership. Those leaders have curiously neglected to advocate for a strong national Jewish Rights Organization, or at least for an independent Yesha Organization. And they have neglected to advocate for sovereignty in Yesha as well.

    To the delight of anti-Zionists, these grassroots leaders have squandered time and energy chanting Build-Build, only to see many of those constructions bulldozed by the state or handed over to the Arabs (Sinai, Gaza). And so far there is absolutely no change in their attitude of RELUCTANCE TO ORGANIZE ALL SETTLEMENTS to stop construction freeze, abuse of settlers’ rights, Arab encroachment, and to demand sovereignty. Peace Now and the government must secretly love those Jewish grassroots leaders who send their youth to carry out carpentry projects on the hilltops instead of uniting them in one big and effective Yesha organization!

    ~~~~~~~~

    Migron Dilemma: To protest or not to Protest
    Residents of nearby and much smaller Givat Assaf, facing the same fate, have urged their Migron neighbors to resists expulsion.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159270

    Other communities asking Migron to resist! As if they were not all Jews, as if they were not all living in the same country. It is beyond sad.

    And notice how certain people will argue “It’s no use, protests don’t work” – hiding the fact that the Gush Katif defenders could have succeeded except that they were betrayed by their LEADERSHIP, both political and religious leadership.

  37. Well said. And bears repeating!

    I would only add that the Arabs of the Mandate of Palestine, the invented “Palestinians” already have a state (in flagrant violation of the Mandate) in 78% of the lands that were allocated for a Jewish state. Moreover as many as or more Jews were expelled from Arab lands than Arabs fleeing Israel in 48-49. How does it become Israel’s fault if the Arabs don’t want to take in their bro’s. We took in ours. Had we expelled the Arabs as the Arabs expelled the Jews, we wouldn’t have had the “Palestinian-Israeli Problem” in the first place and this in fact points to the only workable solution. Better late than never!