By Ted Belman
Caitlin A Johnstone Blog makes a very strong case that the Deep State provoked the War in Ukraine as a means to bring about regime change in Russia.
It may be summarized as follows:
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- The Deep State began working toward regime change in Russia even before Obama became president.
- Obama refused to arm Ukraine as a means of drawing Russia into invading Ukraine
- Russia gate was contrived to get Trump to be aggressive toward Russia to dispel the narrative of Trump being in cahoots with Putin.
- It worked. Trump armed Ukraine to show his anti-Putin credentials.
- In addition it gave us a constant drumbeat of anti-Putin rhetoric.
- Ukraine invasion was deliberately provoked to facilitate the longstanding agenda to oust Putin
- Russiagate was never about removing Trump, it was about making sure Trump played along with their regime change plans for Moscow and manufacturing mainstream consent for the escalations we’re seeing today.
- The U.S. got its war in Ukraine. Without it, Washington could not attempt to destroy Russia’s economy, orchestrate worldwide condemnation and lead an insurgency to bleed Russia.
- The U.S. could easily have prevented this war with a little bit of diplomacy and a few low-cost concessions, but instead it chose to provoke a war that could then be used to manufacture international consensus for unprecedented acts of economic warfare against Russia with the goal of effecting regime change.
But as Dr Steve Turley pointed out in this monologue, it didn’t work as Putin is now more popular than ever and has weathered the sanctions.
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Caitlin A Johnstone Blog (March 28, 2022 ) |
It’s hard to believe that the last president spent his term pouring weapons into Ukraine, shredding treaties with Russia and ramping up cold war escalations against Moscow which helped lead us directly to the extraordinarily dangerous situation we now find ourselves in, and yet mainstream liberals spent his entire administration screaming that he was a Kremlin puppet.
A lot of anti-empire commentary is rightly going into criticizing how the Obama administration paved the way to this conflict in Ukraine with its role in the 2014 coup and support for Kyiv’s war against Donbass separatists. But what’s getting lost in all this, largely because Trumpites have been using their mainstream numbers to loudly amplify criticisms of the role of the Obama and Biden administrations in this mess, is what happened between those two presidencies which was just as crucial in getting us here.
Though it’s been scrubbed from mainstream liberal history, it was actually the Trump administration that began the U.S. policy of arming Ukraine in the first place. Obama had refused forceful demands from neocons and liberal hawks to do so because he feared it would provoke an attack by Russia.
In a 2015 article titled “Defying Obama, Many in Congress Press to Arm Ukraine“, The New York Times reported that “So far, the Obama administration has refused to provide lethal aid, fearing that it would only escalate the bloodshed and give President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia a pretext for further incursions.”
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It wasn’t until the Trump presidency that those weapons began pouring into Ukraine, and boy howdy are we looking at some “further incursions” now. This change occurred either because Trump was a fully willing participant in the agenda to ramp up aggressions against Moscow, or because he was politically pressured into playing along with that agenda by the collusion narrative which had its origins at every step in the U.S. intelligence cartel, or because of some combination of the two.
In all the world-shaping news stories we’ve been experiencing lately, it’s easy to forget how the narrative that the Kremlin had infiltrated the highest levels of the U.S. government dominated news coverage and political discourse for years on end. But in light of the fact that today’s major headlines now revolve around that exact same foreign government, this fact is probably worth revisiting.
The most important thing to understand about the Trump-Russia collusion narrative is that it began with western intelligence agencies, was sustained by western intelligence agencies, and in the end resulted in cold war escalations against a government long targeted by western intelligence agencies. It was the U.S. intelligence cartel who initiated the still completely unproven and severely plot hole-riddled claim that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to benefit Trump. It was a “former” MI6 operative who produced the notorious and completely discredited Steele Dossier which birthed the narrative that Trump colluded with the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election. It was the FBI who spied on the Trump campaign claiming it was investigating possible ties to Russia. It was the U.S. intelligence cartel which produced, and then later walked back, the narrative that Russia was paying Taliban-linked fighters to kill allied occupiers in Afghanistan which was leveraged by Democrats to demand Trump escalate further against Putin. It was even a CIA officer who just so happened to be in the right place at the right time that kicked off the flimsy impeachment narrative that Trump had suspended arms deliveries to Ukraine.
Every step of the way the mass media was fed reports by intelligence operatives and by elected officials sharing pieces of information they’d been told by intelligence operatives about potential indications of a conspiracy between Trump’s circle and the Russian government, which often faceplanted in the most humiliating ways as subsequent revelations debunked them. Day after day some new “BOMBSHELL” media report would surface tying some obscure Trump underling so some Russian oligarch in some way, the outlet which published it would be rewarded with millions of clicks, only to have it fizzle into a flat nothing pizza within a few days.
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Day after day mainstream liberals were promised major revelations which would lead to the entire Trump family being dragged from the White House in chains, and day after day those promises failed to deliver. But what did happen during that time was a mountain of U.S. cold war escalations against Moscow, a very good illustration of the immense difference between narrative and fact.
Trump supporters like to believe that the Deep State tried to remove their president because he was such a brave populist warrior leading a people’s revolution against their Satanic globalist agendas, and surely there were some individual goons within their ranks who would have loved to see him gone. But in reality the major decision makers in the U.S. intelligence cartel never intended to remove Trump from office. They’d have known from their own intel that the Mueller investigation wouldn’t turn up any evidence of a conspiracy with the Russian government, and they’d have known impeachment wouldn’t remove him because they know how to count Senate seats. Russiagate was never about removing Trump, it was about making sure Trump played along with their regime change plans for Moscow and manufacturing mainstream consent for the escalations we’re seeing today.
And now here we are. Joe Lauria has an excellent new article out for Consortium News titled “Biden Confirms Why the U.S. Needed This War” which lays out the evidence that the Ukraine invasion was deliberately provoked to facilitate the longstanding agenda to oust Putin and “ultimately restore a Yeltsin-like puppet to Moscow.” The U.S. could easily have prevented this war with a little bit of diplomacy and a few low-cost concessions, but instead it chose to provoke a war that could then be used to manufacture international consensus for unprecedented acts of economic warfare against Russia with the goal of effecting regime change.
Lauria writes:
The U.S. got its war in Ukraine. Without it, Washington could not attempt to destroy Russia’s economy, orchestrate worldwide condemnation and lead an insurgency to bleed Russia, all part of an attempt to bring down its government. Joe Biden has now left no doubt that it’s true.
The president of the United States has confirmed what Consortium News and others have been reporting since the beginnings of Russsiagate in 2016, that the ultimate U.S. aim is to overthrow the government of Vladimir Putin.
“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,” Biden said on Saturday at the Royal Castle in Warsaw.
This was all planned years in advance. Long before Biden’s presidency, and long before Trump’s. It is not a coincidence that we spent years being bombarded with anti-Russia propaganda in the lead-up to a massive confrontation with that same government. There’s no connection between the discredited allegation that Trump was a secret Kremlin agent and Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine, yet the mainstream anti-Russia hysteria manufactured by the former is flowing seamlessly into mainstream opposition of the latter.
This is because this was all planned well in advance. We’re where we’re at now because the U.S. empire brought us here intentionally.
A MUST WATCH!
@Reader
Yes, you have raised this issue many times but seem to ignore the responses offered.
The PA would not and could not accept the Deal as presented and therefore it was a dead duck upon delivery. Personally, I always regretted that the Trump Deal was not the Jordan Option, but the Trump Deal as presented tied into the continuity of the general framework of the prior TSS attempts with the caveat of a sunset clause which would have trapped the PA into either accepting the Deal or losing any right to any deal in the future. Doing so would satisfy the commitment to those Sunni nations that required that Israel move forward with the PA prior to any broader peace arrangements. Given that Abu Masen had no interest in any peace deal, along with the reality that he could not sign any deal recognizing Israel without himself being executed for such a betrayal, this would have ended the TSS once and for all. It would also have allowed Israel to establish sovereignty in Judea while permitting the peace initiatives to eventually move forward with various Sunni nations interested in forming economic, diplomatic and military ties with Israel – and doing so without the establishment of any Fake Pal state as a prerequisite. Also, the plan was, unlike the plans in the past, one which was not forced upon Israel, or the Arabs for that matter, which was again the point. The parties had to accept the plan and work towards the final details of the land boundaries, but the Arabs were never interested in anything less than the destruction of Israel by their innumerable Piece plans, victory one piece at a time. Consequently the Trump plan placed the PA into a position of complete checkmate which would allow Trump to write off any attacks from the Israeli Left, the Dems, the Sunni States, and the PA due to the fact that the PA would/could never have agreed to it. This was the reality of the Trump plan, such as it was.
Why was Yeltsin believed to be a Western puppet? On googling this question, U found a lot of disagreement eith this thesis? What would a Western puppet be expected to fo differently?
The Russia/Ukraine, etc. debacle is not about removing Putin.
The WWII (to take over Eurasia) has never ended, and that was a continuation of all the other wars the West has fought against Russia.
The goal it to destroy it (with most of its people) and completely take over the territory.
I repeat, the goal is the UTTER DESTRUCTION of Russia with most of its people.
There is no Deep State.
@peloni
How many times do I have to post the map of the “Deal of the Century” before someone looks at it?
Tomorrow, SCOTUS is expected to rule on West Virginia v EPA. This pivotal case is based around the underpinnings of the power of the Deep State, from where they gain their authority and significance. For about a hundred years SCOTUS has granted deference to the govt agencies with regards to the interpretation of statutes due to their intimacy with regards to the intricacies of the areas in which the various departments hold their expertise, ie Defense Dept, Treasury Dept, etc. Depending on the ruling in this case, it could reallocate the authority and power within these agencies via unelected beurocrats, Deep Staters, back to the elected members of Congress who will need to clearly define their intent within the bills passed thru the legislature and signed by the president.
The ruling in this case can, of course, be either narrowly or broadly defined, and this will also bear on determining the significance of the ruling. It is, indeed, likely too much to hope that SCOTUS will, with this single ruling, separate the Deep State from their arbitrary authority over the govt and return the power to the elected, corrupt as they are, members of Congress. Still the potential does exist, and it is remarkable that this ruling would be held back to the final day of the Court’s opinions, when the more significant rulings are released, if it was to be an unremarkable ruling. Let’s hope that SCOTUS changes the rule book of govt and returns the power of the govt to an equitable and elected representative body for whom the public may display their consent or denial once the fraudulent election process is repaired.
Edgar
This paragraph by Johnstone is remarkable. It is possible there was planning involved
I think we all make mistakes in underestimating the planning of our enemies
Why destroy Putin? To create conditions for a UNIPOLAR world.
But why that? So capitalism is not challenged.
Remember the Hitler myth. To destroy the Jews was to destroy Bolshevism.
So she may be right that this was planned but still being kept from us by many forms of strong ideology.
Most people I meet are full of hatred for Russia but at the same time there’s no understanding of any relevant history.
There’s a terrible ignorance. I have heard an explanation…people on the internet have stopped reading books. So they have lost power to reason and thus they react with emotion.
@Felix
If Trump should not be promoted as a friend to Israel, she could never have a friend. This shallow interpretation you make of events is as baseless as it is unconvincing. Trump was the best friend Israel ever had, and he carried out his Israel policy, greatly advantaging Israel, against significant opposition – bipartisan and international. He faced them all down ignoring their repeated threats and warnings. He moved the Embassy after twenty years of delays, he recognized the Golan, he recognized the united eternal capital of the Jewish People. Possibly even more advantageous to Israel and the Jewish people, he began a policy of leveling the playing field between the combatants in the Middle East, fully exposing and isolating the vile masters of terrorism for their continued support for such evil tactics. He supported the IHRA. He changed the interpretation of US law to further protect Jewish citizens and ordered the DoJ to focus upon antisemitic crimes. He highlighted the terrible antisemitic crimes that took place during his presidency.
I really should write this up and save it somewhere because ever month or two, someone tries to suggest this man, who is the only US president to have a Jewish child and Jewish grandchildren visit him in the Oval Office, is somehow an antisemite, which is of course the greatest bunch of nonsensicle foolishness that ever came from the mouth or mind of any Jew or Gentile. There is no president who came close to matching the record of friendship for Israel that President Trump presented. Though he made mistakes and on some issues he is open to a fair rebuke, his friendship of the Jewish State and the Jewish People should never be questioned, not under anything remotely approaching a fair conversation.
His support for the Ukrainian govt, is in no way a betrayal of this friendship for Israel. It is not relevant in the least.
@Edgar
I got that expression from The Caitlin Johnstone article, first paragraph.
. I accepted her wording as opposed to the wording used by Felix who obviously took interpolated.
I think Felix’s proposition is that since they are fascists we should be supporting, not hindering, Putin’s attempts to destroy them..
No, Trump should not be cheering Putin on to destroy them. He had every right to help Ukiraine if he so chose.
@Felix
One of the points made in Johnstone’s article was that Trump was either manipulated or purposefully chose to arm the Ukrainians. Well, that is undeniably true. The arms went to Ukraine and he signed the budget that paid for them. The question is what was the likely motivation behind this. You seem obsessed to no end on this single issue, but this was hardly the point of Johnstone’s lengthy article. She premises that the Deep State controlling Obama and Biden were behind maneuvering Trump into doing so as well. With your obsession of attacking people – Trump, me, Hannity(feel free on this one), and then Trump and me again – you seem to lose the forest in the trees. I disagree that this is necessarily true, as it is more likely true that Pinchuk’s significant foreign funding for both sides of the corrupt American Congress was a more likely cause of the funding, and Pinchuk was not a member of the DS, as he put his American mouthpiece, Doug Schoen, to work to use what sway he might have to stop the absurd impeachment hearings, as he saw it would destroy the elect-ability of his bought and paid for Democratic machine – further demonstrating how far out of the Deep State he was. It is true that the DS has significant involvement in Ukraine, which seems to surprise us all with daily new revelations of how deep the Deep State was in the state of Ukraine. In any case, my reasons are summarized in the initial post, but we can discuss it further, I am not so captured by my opinions that I have to make a personal attack in defending them.
@Felix
The principles behind these matters are all that should matter, which is why I don’t baste you with pejorative descriptions, simply because you might find my argument unconvincing. You, on the other hand, seem so invested in your stated position that you can hardly write a paragraph without making unknowing remarks about people you have never met. It is unpleasant, distracting and quite boring. I will continue to suggest you do a better job of expressing your own principles and be done with these personal castigation’s that only present you in a poor light. Though you seem to have a penchant for low brow attacks amid your more competent remarks, let’s just talk about what we are talking about and not each other, as it seems this would be more relevant to the issues we are talking about. Right?
@FELIX-
You and I are friends, not subject to change. BUT. …How do you see that Russia is fighting a “defensive” was when Ukraine is the victim of a Russian INVASION onto it’s sovereign soil. BOTH sides have “Nazis”. which have little of no governmental influence in Ukraine.
Felix..THAT IS AN INVASION. and cannot be compared the GENUINE defensive war, a genuine one, that Israel fought against the combined Arab armies in 1067. Russia is occupying Ukrainian territory both in the north and South of the country, has fomented, encouraged, armed rebellions in every way possiblemof military invasion. Now they have done THAT
@TED-
Did you see no significance in the fact, which I mentioned the other day, and which you have repeated just now, that “Trump poured weapons into Ukraine”. That this term word for word had been used by a few “commentators”… Are you accepting this as coincidence or plagiarism.. or WHAT.
By the way were the further comments on that added par. of any use??
@Felix
Caitlyn did mention that Trump poured weapons into Ukraine. She made no mention of “Zelenskyy’s fascists”.. As I understand it the Nazis have some influence but it is far from being in charge.. You seem to say that Ukraine is Nazi. That’s a giant step.
Secondly Trump was not defending Ukraine so much as he was stopping Russia from acting. What’s wrong with that?
But you go overboard with your hatred of Trump to write
I don’t remotely see it that way.. Trump armed a sovereign country. Whether it was a dictatorship or a democracy is irrelevant.
Then you went on to say that Peloni
That’s an ad hominin attack..
Your criticism is entirely outlandish. Tone it down. Its just your opinion and is far from being the truth.
Peloni
Your first sentence is a lie. It’s not an invasion. Russia fights a defensive operation against Fascism. Get it right.
Second the article by Johnstone states it’s position at the very beginning. Trump armed the Fascists of Zelensky.
That’s not just what I say. That’s what the article says.
So Trump arms the Fascists. And you continue to support Trump.
Basically that means you have no real principles. End of story.
All of those who do two things 1. Support Trump 2. Hide the real Imperialism inside of Trump politics.
Such as arming Zelensky Fascists
Such as bombing Assad who was fighting Islamic Fascists
What can I say? They promote a big lie and that’s very dangerous for Jews.
The value of article by Johnstone is that it brings this falseness into sharp relief.
What this SHOULD mean is Trump must not be promoted as a friend to Israel.
That’s a mighty big conclusion so I thank Johnstone for spelling this out.
I think that this is made crystal clear by my stand here in which I don’t use flowery rhetoric just the plain fact that Trump armed the Fascists of Ukraine.
Q.E.D. if you have guts and know what you stand for.
I also share Markovsky’s opinion in The Geopolitical Consequences of the Ukraine War
@Felix
My support of President Trump has nothing to do with his stated opinion on Ukrainian invasion. Trump was an excellent head of state and knew how to employ a threat of force without being belligerent or bellicose. He knew how to negotiate and he knew how to converse. He knew how to offer respect and he knew how to demand it. In short, he knew what the hell he was doing. Had Trump not been deposed from office, this current debacle would never have come about for these very reasons. Furthermore, if Zelensky was of a mind to play a tiger as he stood with only a roar to protect his people, Trump would have surely made it plain for him to realize that he was walking a path that he would be walking alone, as Trump had no interest in generating wars, and he knew exactly how to avoid them.
More generally, though, I have come to see the values to which Trump has held fast, fighting against significant opposition and with great success. He provided a world stage on which accountability and reciprocal responsibility was expected and enforced. He eliminated the imaginary realm where terrorism would be an acceptable form of protest and generally presented the world with a more stabilizing leadership than has been seen in decades. He literally stood against the world in defying the elimination of the consent of the governed, the cornerstone from which all liberties and values are enshrined. I trust him to enforce the values he sincerely holds dear, which are plain to know because he placed himself and his family at significant disadvantage in doing so, and the values he fought for closely mimic my own. I don’t agree with him on every point of policy, but I trust his faith in a common world view to my own, based on stability and peaceful pursuits over manufactured wars and supporting unending cycles of violence.
@Ted
Perfectly stated!
@Felix
My position from the beginning is that NATO is to blame for the current crises and that Putin’s demands before the invasion were reasonable and should have been accepted.
I also believe that the US should have embraced Russia after the fall of the USSR and made an ally of them.
I believe that Trump wanted to be friendly with Russia at first and the Russia hoax prevented him from doing so.
Peloni
I understood that you were on the side of Russia in this war. I take it that is correct. Is it?
You already said that Trump is against Russia
Yet you are a strong supporter of Trump.
Explain. I am confused about this inconsistency
Peloni
You are playing with me now. Well so be it.
Ted
Do you yourself think that when Hannity says that he is for the Trump way which is sit in America and blow Russia into oblivion and he means first strike nuclear war he Hannity is stating Trump’s position? Is that Trump’s position?
If that IS position of Trump what then is your position?
@Felix
If you are feeling dominated, well, I can’t help you with that, but it does explain your testy attitude. I just shared facts and in no way suggested you were “haughty” or that you “distort” matters, only that you are wrong and your supporting argument lacked all accuracy and any precision.
I did watch the videos with Gabbard, though I have seen it before, it does not demonstrate Trump is an imperialist as you claimed, just that Hannity is even less appealing as he talks over people if he scouls. It just doesn’t help your argument that Hannity is Trump… I really can’t believe we are wasting time suggesting the president is a news commentator.
Your entire argument here is quite pointless. Now America is a fascist state and Hannity is Trump and I am dominating, haughty distortionist? LOLOLOL There is not much point in expressing how arbitrary and unconvincing your accusations continue to impress.
Hopefully, you will collect yourself and express your argument better next time…and perhaps without the lowbrow insults. They don’t improve your arguments but they do present your thoughts as being less sincere and more argumentative in nature than you have recently displayed a capacity to present.
Peloni
America is moving outside of the road of parliamentary politics.
But I’m having to repeat myself.
We have had two elections now where the election result is not accepted by the loser.
Firstly in 2016 a big section did not accept Trump as President
Second Trump did and still does not accept Biden as President.
That’s the Bare results.
You have two warring camps now in America and thus it is impossible to rule in the old way
Now to the 1933 situation. I was referring to the situation in Germany.
In other words to that pivotal moment.
You really must listen to my points and to the positions towards the lady in that massive confrontation.
He is word for word with Trump and his team here in this very video which your haughty ways does not even look at.
Hannity about five times warning of nuclear attack on Russia.
Listen to his words. That is also Trump
I have also studied Trump on this.
Trump projects as a more extreme form of Biden
There’s now chaos in America and I would advise Jews to leave at once.
Trump plays the populist game and with that totally comes chaos.
I have just read a book about a Ukrainian Jewish family over many generations and when there was chaos there was danger.
Be careful. You have not sought to see the great danger and how Trump operates.
Is there Fascism in America? Yes we are in the initial stages.
I see through you Peloni. You are a point maker. But you distort. Hannity is Trump. A past difference was merely episodic..l notice that I refer to you a video. To you it’s nothing. You skate over the whole thing which is also not just his (Hannity) words but his domineering attitude.
I have seen you do that time after time. You dig in. Americans of this class do not discuss they dominate. Have to dominate.
What it’s all about really.
@Peloni
AMEN TO THAT
@Felix
You have failed to prove your thesis here. You originally called Trump the “worst Imperialist ever”, and have offered the following as support:
1. two unconvincing proofs that Trump is weak,
2. incorrectly suggest that Trump is acting in an unlawful, treasonous manner by contesting an illegal election and you even likened it to the Smedly Butler affair
3. a video of Hannity, of all people, foaming for more weapons to the impossible Ukrainian war effort, presumably suggesting he holds Trump’s leash.
None of this, even if accepted as accurately described, would paint Trump as an imperialist, and certainly not the worst of them. Furthermore, none of it is accurately described.
My response:
1. Flynn resigned following an extensive coordinated operation that played out over many months. The operation included elements of the FBI, the Media, members of the Trump campaign and Trump’s own VP, and it was employed towards many goals, but among the more vital targets was to discredit, undermine and remove Flynn from the Trump White House. The FBI lied about the conversation with Flynn which was, itself, based upon an illegal pretext. In some, yet unexplained way, Pence gain an insight into the content of a high level FBI investigation being conducted against Flynn in real time, when even the president was not informed. Pence charged Flynn with lying to him based upon reports from the FBI, long before the FBI even wrote their report of their illegal sting operation. The consequence of this coordinated challenge against Flynn was that Flynn resigned, for which you suggest Trump was weak?
2. Trump is not trying to conduct an illegitimate coup upon the govt as your comparison to the 1933 plot would suggest. His intent is to expose the fact that an illegitimate coup has already taken place. The comparison between Trump’s election contest and the Businessmen/Morgan coup is quite a false presumption by you, and I would ask that you try to support this claim with more than your imagination. The only reason that Trump is not sitting in the White House today is because there was no Smedly Darlington Butler in place to block the coordinated efforts of the Dems, Rinos, and foreign govts acting in unison to conduct a massive election swindle, which has been quite exposed and continues to unravel.
3. Hannity is not Trump’s close advisor to Trump. Hannity is part of the Shame-On-FOX cabal and they in no way represent the president’s views nor do they speak for Trump. Hannity demanded Trump stop contesting the election in December 2020, some 15 months ago – how did that work out. He doesn’t speak for the president, any more than or any other political or media groupy does.
None of what you have said is fairly portrayed, nor would it place the cap of imperialism upon Trump’s brow even if it were accurately described.
Based on some important things.
Night of the election he told Michael Savage he would travel to Syria and sort it out with Putin.
He did no such thing. He ended up joining the White Helmets to bomb Assad and Alex Jones also saw through him on this.
So he is a weak person.
He SACKED Flynn. Weak again.
The third thing and why I fear him so much is based on a current two videos featuring Hannity and Tulsi Gabbard and that will take time to explain.
What Hannity says in this video is the greatest warning to humanity.
And remember Jews are a guide for humanity.
The enmity between Trump and Biden is total. But we must base ourselves on Martin’s Limousine Theory or we will always get this wrong.
(I also see his anti science positions but that is too huge to cover here.)
America is collapsing. The old ways are gone. The Democrats did not accept election result in 2016. And Trump in 2020.
So they move outside of parliament or Congress. That happened before in 1933.
But really for me everything centres on what Hannity says.
It’s a pair of videos really but it will be made clear
We are talking about life ending issues here and I do hope Ted and Peloni do have an open mind
https://youtu.be/6ZvRb6Tbg8c
Hannity presses Tulsi Gabbard…
@Felix
The worst imperialist, eh? I will not bother responding to such an openly false statement. But do demonstrate how you support such an obviously unsupportable claim.
@Felix
Make your case.
As for me following Trump, I follow him in many things and differ on few things. I am not a rubber stamp.
Joe says thing the way they are!
Remember when he stated that his party had the best organization to “win/steal” the elections.
Peloni have a look at your prose and please consider HAVING MERCY ON THE READER. Consider sentences if you don’t mind.j
I’m no fan of Johnstone but she makes a very important point
Trump is one of the worst imperialists ever created.
And Biden and his AOC crap filth is his equal
But Ted dragged behind Trump for so long.
THESE AMERICAN IMPERIALISTS ARE THE FILTH OF THE WORLD
All of them.
This poses the greatest crisis ever for bourgeois Zionists like Ted and Edgar
As constituted Israel can never break free.
@SEBASTIEN-
My commentabout forgiveness was merely my sense of humour, Meant nothing really.
I agree with you-as usual- about needing to get out of Ukraine, there are 300.000 Jews there. How they could have stayed, and /or gone back is a puzzle, but Jews always hunch up their shoulders for whatever storms lie just ahead. With the present useless govt, allowing the YESHA Arabs to take over the country, where would so many be able to live.
Tis totally incompetent govt, surprisingly is still standing, although that is more by mutual agreement that they MUST keep Netanyahu out of the PMs chair, than for any cohesive reasons. Successful people ALWAYS arouse envy and jealousy in their inferiors, who are even prepared to rub shoulders with Arab terrorists and give them Volvos to drive, with a chauffeur -noch.
.G-d Forbid that the whole Diaspora would come to Israel, as the short-sighted Datim are always wishing for. They’d have to build skyscrapers in the Negev, which would mean clearing out the Bedouin and strongly enforcing monogamy. Although I think that by now they are so many it would mean little. They swarm like bees also in central Israel as well as having taken over the Galil.
@Edgar But the state department and military opposed him even doing that! As for forgiveness, well that nullifies your first post. Truth is, this present conflict has nothing to do with Jews as Jews but our people would be well advised to get the hell out of all those countries, even without a war, just the same. It’s just a matter of time. Wherever we go, it’s always just the calm before the next storm. That’s why the diaspora needs Israel minus her Arab fifth column. Religion aside, being secular myself.
@SEBASTIEN-
That was Truman an Anti-Semite par excellence, who boasted that he never let a Jew past the doorstep of his home. Why…because his wife “Bess” hated Jews and he wasn’t too fond of them himself.
About recalling where my family came from.. As the Torah says, “I forgive thee” .If it was good enough for Joseph to say to his brothers, it’s good enough for me.
@Edgar The unoccupied parts, that is, especially the central Asian republics like Khazakhstan and Azerbaijan.
@ Edgar The Soviet Union recognized Israel de jure on May 17, 1948.
@Edgar May 14
Can anyone name few members of the DS?
@Edgar I forgot exactly where but I knew it had to be in one of these now independent countries that were all part of Czarist Russia, like Ukraine, and all of whom massacred Jews again and again like Ukraine. The Soviet Union was a mixed bag. The Soviet Union was the first country to recognize Israel de Jure, the only country to give aid via Czechoslovakia – bases for planes – and Jews who fled there from the former Pale of settlement mostly survived. Those who didn’t were mostly murdered by their Christian neighbors in league with the Germans.
I just looked it up. Israel declared independence on May 4, 1948. The US recognized Israel de facto the same day but waited until 1949 to recognize Israel de jure. It was one of the last countries to do so and slapped an arms embargo. The SU was April 17, 1948.
@SEBASTIEN-
I thought you said you looked forward to reading my posts. ..Tut tut.
I mentioned it only a couple of days ago. It was Russia THEN, today it’s Latvia. It was in The Pale of Settlement, and the town has a few names . The Yidden called it Naira, it was called by the Goyim Freidrichstadt, and today it has a Latvian name Jaunjelgava.
It’s on then banks of the Western Dvina which runs into the Gulf of Riga. My family had a small bakery on its banks, and the loggers floating rafs down the river would stop, often in the middle of the night to buy bread.
My beloved father recalls running over the cobblestones delivering bread, and also was part of a group of kids who used to keep watch for “Cossacks” and drunken mobs bent on pogroms.
My dear late mother’s parents came from just across the river, in Lithuania.. And many of my other relatives of the same name as mine, came from towns a little further away from the river in Latvia. Cousins went back there a few years ago and found Beit Oloms which had stones with our names on them still. About 200+ was lost in the Holocaust. My uncle Max Eliason, who came from Riga, has a ticket bought in 1939 to go there to help bring out some of his relatives, but it was too late already.
If you key in Freidrichstadt/Naira there’s an article on the internet about the place. It’s called “Memories of Freidrichstadt-Naira”.
@Edgar Where in Russia?
@Ted
I do believe that there has been a consistent intent to undermine Putin since at least 2008, and possibly before this, but it was only in 2008 that Russia drew a line in the sand, specifically citing Georgia and Ukraine membership in NATO as a bridge too far to tolerate. That line was immediately crossed with an entitled air that does truly characterize the post-Soviet actions of NATO. Regardless, Russia did not blink while responding to this challenge in 2008. They did however, take a prolonged pregnant pause before responding to Ukraine, from 2008 to 2022. The question is why the disparity between these two breaches of Putin’s red-line.
There are probably other similarities between 2008 and 2022 which can be put forward to answer the why, but one springs instantly to mind. America was greatly challenged domestically in both 2008 and 2022, making any attempt to muster a military response to foreign entanglements overwhelming. In 2008, America’s attention was possessed with the financial collapse and social upheaval surrounding it. In 2022, well, the domestic challenges comprise a long list and are likely apparent to us all.
I have some issues with Johnstone’s perspective here. She is supposing that the same forces behind Obama were acting against Trump, only with Obama weapons were withheld, presumably while cooperating with the Deep State(DS), while with Trump weapons were provided, presumably while being coerced to do so by the DS. So the motivating force behind these two players would be at cross purposes, even though she presumes the forces motivating these two presidents were the same forces.
The consequence to this contradiction would seem to suggest that Trump was sincerely in support of supplying Ukraine with the weapons, which is possible. In point of fact, Trump was always very much in favor of a strong NATO, just insistent upon a strong NATO that paid their fair share and respected their allied partner, the US. But here is where I see another complication. The weapons being sent to Ukraine were not being purchased by Ukraine, they were being subsidized by the US, which when Trump paused the aid triggered the impeachment showdown, albeit for duplicitous reasons. Paying Ukraine’s military, when they were not even a NATO ally, was quite contrary to Trump’s NATO policy, even for full fledged members of NATO.
Also, the Ukrainian oligarch, Victor Pinchuk, was actively trying to charm Trump, Bolton and other members of the cabinet towards funding and arming Ukraine, til the beginning of 2018 (March-ish) when Trump specifically snubbed Pinchuk’s efforts, likely because the previous donations from Pinchuk were a consideration during the Mueller probe. Even before this parting between Trump and the oligarch though, Pinchuk, whose ties to the Clinton Foundation is quite significant (~$30million), used massive funding (~$1.7 million just in 2017) targeted towards the Dems and Rinos in the 2018 congressional elections. As an aside, was this financial largess towards the right pockets in the Congress the reason the military aid was sent to Ukraine, ie the motivation of the aid came from the Congress in exchange for some element of Trump’s MAGA agenda that Ryan would otherwise oppose being included in the Republican 2018 budget?
Back to Johnstone’s argument, it might be conjectured that Putin was intimidated by the image of power projected byTrump but not by the veiled duplcity of Obama. This, however, also doesn’t ring sound. Lets assume that the forces behind Obama were purposefully manipulating Trump towards arming Ukraine, comfortable with the knowledge that Putin was intimidated by Trump. Yet these same forces manipulating Trump towards arming Ukraine were simultaneously undermining Trump on the international stage, as seen with North Korea, Venezeula, and Iran. So we are led to believe, by Johnstone’s conjecture, that the forces behind Obama assumed that their efforts undermining Trump’s international prowess were significant enough to damage his efforts among these other powers, but marginal enough that they could trust Putin would still be intimidated from challenging Trump. I find this unconvincing.
I think Johnstone’s conclusions are the product of reading history backwards, ie seeing how things turned out and interpreting a grand strategy at play, but it lacks closure when considering the pieces individually in their time sequence and then seeing them from the perspective of history moving forward, if I am making my meaning here clear.
She’s half-again too glib with the Trump speculation as if it’s God’s truth overheard by her. Obama is the root of all evil.
But do you agree with her conclusion that the Deep State started planning for regime change in Russia even before Obama?
This is a quote from Johnstone
“This change occurred either because Trump was a fully willing participant in the agenda to ramp up aggressions against Moscow, or because he was politically pressured into playing along with that agenda by the collusion narrative which had its origins at every step in the U.S. intelligence cartel, or because of some combination of the two.”
It is a combination of the two as she says.
Trump represents one wing of Imperialism. Biden another wing.
And they converged in Ukraine.
Both at the end of the day in total unity supporting the Fascists who murdered 1.4 million of Jews in Ukraine.
But remember also Russia Hatred as the article Reader advanced HERE spelled out for readers.
But as he also pointed out some people only listen to what SUITS THEM.
Yes Ted I now challenge your up to now views on Trump (but I’m not denying the lies campaign against him)
Trump and Hannity
Biden Nuland and totally the BBC.
We should reprint Martin’s Limousine Theory and take it to heart.
@TED-
I suppose anything is possible, however improbable. I can’t see how the Ukraine war would cause the Russian people to bring Putin down. He is enormously popular with the Russian people. All reports have shown this.
Besides, he is a former KGB man, and survived in the usually turbulent sea of Russian politics, certainly having taken every possible precautionto survive, and say put. He has effectively and effectually controlled Russia for about 23 years so far. I don’t think he’s even 70 yt and as a polititian, just coming into hsi “prime’.
He projects an urbane and calm exterior. There may be something in Johnstone’s speculations, I have strong doubts that they are just as she says. They are “STOP PRESS” statements, BUT…. we just can NOT ignore the ridiculous story that the Russia-gate fakery was concocted just to make Trump hate Putin. and then, another equally ridiculous-actually a conspiracy theory- supposition that the Ukraine war was not to conquer Ukraine, but to cause ,as you’ve just said, the Russian People to pull down Putin
You know Ted I respect your high intelligence and political knowledge, gained from your contacts around the world. and I deeply respect any opinion of yours and normally accept them. . But
lately you seem to be, espousing and supporting positions which I see as rather “far out’. I first noticed it in your staunch support of that Simon guy with the dropping confidential voice, and his cat crawling all over him. You swore by his prognostications which you regarded as far more than that. You said that so far he had never been wrong.
He was not that often “wrong” in inconsequential guesses, but wildly off centre when he ventured into the nitty-gritty. He and that fat, Cockney barrow boy had built a thriving industry of multiple video appearances dispensing talk, with no bases for facts, and must have made a mint from them.
We all were so desirous to see Tarump carried back into the White House eon a Charger, that we, collectively listened and believed. I DID NOT, and I think was the FIRST to say so, pointing out discrepancies and untruths.. Adam followed suit..
Where are they \now…?? Still making a dishonest dollar from the
unsuspecings. gullibles. As Barnum said. “There’s a sucker born every minute”
@Edgar.
It is not an Ukraine that would bring him down but the Russian people.
I believe that Trump thought he could get along with Putin and perhaps have a reconciliation. But the constant allegations against him involving Russia forced him to abandon such plans. This I believed before reading
Johnstone.
What we know for sure the CIA is in the business of fermenting Coups and Psyops. We also know that the Deep State was pushing for the establishment of the NWO and would want to get rid of all Nationalists..
So I am not ready to dismiss this theory.
I neglected to mention that it is totally unreasonable to believe that the Russian War against Ukraine would “bring down Putin”. On what grounds does this utterly stupid remark stand.
Russia is exponentially more powerful than Ukraine which could not possibly win the war…the only possible result would be the reactions and antagonistic perceptions of the rest of the world, against a “bully”. This has NOT happened, as we all see. Public Opinion is often fickle, and turns in unexpected ways. They support Russia. I myself am totally against a stronger -nuclear- nation invading a weaker.
Besides, I have no reason to like Russia and I DON’T. . My beloved late father and his family escaped from a shtetl. he was only 7, but remembered his life there and, unwillingly, told us parts of it.. His eardrum had been deliberately punctured, to make him unfit for military service. He remained deaf in that ear for life.
The DEEP STATE and JOHNSTONE, are drawing the same conclusions, although using different vehicles arriving from different directions.,.
It seems to be becoming more confused than ever. I do not accept that a major reason was to change the “Putin Regime”. This is a VERY dubious conclusion, not that Putin is irremovable, but that the Russian Psyche is TOTALLY different from Western Culture. It is foolish to assume otherwise.
To cause Putin’s downfall is merely to replace him with another of very similar ilk. Likely, because of lack of experience, far more dangerous and unstable. I am not “Gung Ho” on any of this.
I hate to sound like a negator, a doubter, but I advocate more caution before throwing myself lock, stock, and barrel onto suddenly emerging bandwagons.
I am normally quite aggressive, and have few doubts when I take a position, but the whirlwind of information AND misinformation spewing out hour after hour, makes me uncharacteristically cautious..
As for asserting that the “Russia Russia Russia” hoax was to turn Trump against Putin, seems to me purely shallow and fallacious. It was designed to totally destroy Trump’s unexpected Presidency, and, because it was unexpected, was put together, very loosely, with many gaps, and had already unravelled before the Impeachment proceeding even began. That the Democrats continued with it, showed their enormous animosity towards Trump personally. And when it was completed, they concocted the Ukrainian phone call Impeachment. None of this could possibly be for anything but to ruin his Presidency. Yet, he achieved many great things.
Moreover , Trump, only the other day, said that he and Putin were on very good terms, and “got along well”.
Yes he rearmed Ukraine, (with conventional weapons) why not, the US arms industry needed customers, and Trump was on good terms with Ukraine. In fact he endeavoured to be on good terms with everyone he could reach, All the while knowing they THEY knew he was unpredictable and enormously powerful. He used ridicule and/or persuasion, as the occasions warranted.
I have noticed in the above article, quotes for more than one source, which use the EXACT same terminology, such as “began pouring weapons into Ukraine”. I wonder.. how come…??
Trump was very clear as to his “likes and dislikes” Take NATO as an example regarding their miniscule or no contribution to their own defence, in violation of the 2% agreement. Look at his stance on those organisations he considered parasitical, like UNRWA. And his warnings about depending too much on Russian energy supplies. Biden’s corrupt and totally incompetent mis-management signifies a HUGE US (and world ??) recession, already on the way, complicated by COVID, and the rebellious reactions to the regulations.
Johnstone’s Blog, makes points I consider unreal, and are possibilities rather than factual…except for a couple or three.
I have a strong feeling that the more complicated and conspiratorial the commentators and gurus can make a simple matter, the better they think the listeners like it.
I KNOW that I really understand little of Politics, but these creatures have been caught out so often, to be shown as very “human” (as in animal) in their desires, and follies, especially perversions, that they often stumble over their own machinations. We see it all the time.
I must stop I really didn’t know where to begin or end. And the topic(s). seem(s) endless. The deeper I get into it, the more confusing it becomes.
Not that I’m stupid, or don’t understand what I’m reading, but the reasons behind reasons are like Netanyahu’s 4 dimensional chess….. And I’m a “checkers” player.
Futile for me to pursue it. Except to marvel at it.