The Baseline Premise Surfaces – DOGE Downloads Govt Data to Evaluate Efficiency

 

February 8, 2025 | 7 Comments »

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  1. I had not even noticed that it is “Sundance”who wrote this article, not Peloni, as Ihad for some reason assumed. Although Peloni agrees with “Sundance’s” views I had already remarked on earlier occasions on “Sundance’s: extraordinary obsession with his privacy and desire to hide from public view, Whoever he is, he is someone with a great deal he wants to hide about his past.

  2. U.S. government surveillance of American citizens is nothing new. During the American civil war, practically every known Confederate sympathizer in the Union state was placed under surveillance. Mny were imprisoned without charge, at least for brief periods. Those who published pro-Confederate newspapers were dealt with very severely. One was even deported to Canada although he had never been a resident of Canada.

    During World ONe, President Woodrow Wilson instituted a massive system of surveillance of anyone suspected of opposing U.S.involvement on the Allied side of the war, or of being a German sympathizer, or even had been born in Germany. Many suspected German sympathizers, as well as leftists who opposed the war on political grounds, were arrested . Many were charged with a slew of criminal offenses that had been passed into law by Congress. The Supreme Court declared most of them unconstituional by the Supreme Court after the war.

    After the war, there was a massive campaign to identify anarchists, communists and other leftists by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Investigation (Later renmaed the Federal Burieau of Investigation). THousands of people were placed under surveillance. Many were deported to Russia and other foreign countries.

    During the 1930s, surveillance radical leftists continued. The travelling “heist mobs: led by people like Bonnie and Clyde, and all of their known relatives and friends, were now added to the list of people being surveilled. During World War II, both Communist and Nazi sympathizers were placed under surveillance. Some were interned without trial. During the Cold War, nearly everyone known to or suspected of being a Communist was placed under surveillance. Later, when a “national conference of mafiosi was held in the upstate New York village of Appalechin, New York, attended by several thousand mobsters from all over the country. the FBI could no longer deny the existence of the Mob. Thousands of additional individuals, and all their relatives and associates, were added to the “Feds” surveillance list.

    I could go on with this for ever, but all of you must get the point. Big Brother is watching you. And he has been for years.

  3. I agree with DOGE’s approach to fighting government waste and corruption. and on this point I disagree with Peloni. The U.S. governments’ government’s “surveillance state” has exited for many years, perhaps many generations. DOGE’s using AI tools to identify corrupt government activities and corrupt officials is unlikely to make it any worse than it already. As it is, not only the Federal government but hundreds if not thousands of private corporations are placing us unders urveilance every minute of the day.

  4. Thanks Peloni, I gottit!!!

    I’m no expert on AI, but I have been around in the computer world. As far as AI is concerned I see it as a faster means of accessing data which is already around. Nothing new is created by AI, which is why I see the name as being highly misleading; and to call it “super intelligence” is nothing short of disgusting.

    So it is indeed an upgrade, but in a quantitative sense, not in a qualitative sense.

    This may sound incredibly simplistic, but my “motto” is “Don’t feed the beast!”

  5. @keelie

    This author seems to be just another “Democrat” with an axe to grind

    Sundance is many things, but he is in all fairness no Democrat.

    Regarding the old vs new surveilance states, the distinction is the use of AI to exploit the data, and as I noted above, this distinction is a massive upgrade to any surveillance being pursued. And the fact that Gabbard as DNI has done an about face on the use of FISA 702s, there will be no gatekeeper to keep the intelligence community from doing as they wish.

  6. “national security justified surveillance state ”

    The author keeps on about the above. I know we’re all supposed to be too stupid to understand what this means, but right now the idea is to rectify/balance what’s obviously going on within the government. I have a problem extapolating from this goal to creating an overall “surveillance state”… like the surveillance state set up by Obama and Biden, wherein churchgoers and other various innocents were arrested, tried and sent to jail; the trials themselves being corrupt shams.

    This author seems to be just another “Democrat” with an axe to grind.