Shoebat asks,
How far will Israel go in allowing Islamists to help run the country? Might Khaled Mesha’al, Hamas’ leader, qualify to join the Knesset?
and rightly asks as well why was Kahane and his Party, a threat to Israel, and this man and his Party, aren’t. Why indeed.
My leftist friend, fights to be allowed to get foreign money for NGO’s to fight Israel or to allow Arab Israelis to celebrate Nakba Day in Israel, of course, in the name of human and cival rights. What about the human or civil rights of Jews to live in peace and security wherever they want, not so much. Ted Belman
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Ra’am Ta’al is a seditious Arab political party that spouts more rhetoric then any other extremist group in Israel, however they are left unfettered by the Knesset since Arab Islamist parties are considered viable political parties in the country. Ibrahim Sarsur is an Israeli Arab politician and Knesset member, and is currently leader of the United Arab List. In April 2008 he stirred controversy when, following an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip which killed a woman and her four children, he compared the actions of Israel to those of the Nazis:
Israel’s killing of innocent people is reminiscent of some very dark times, including that of the Nazis.
This proved to be the least controversial thing to come from his mouth lately. The Walid Shoebat Foundation has uncovered damning evidence in a video that what Sarsur says in English to a Western audience is far different from what he says in Arabic to his Arab constituents.
Sarsur, speaking in Arabic at Abdul Rahman’s club in Israel, openly praised Hezbollah for “defeating Israel.” He also said he awaits seeing Hezbollah’s planners and strategists (whom he claims have a local presence) repeat their victory against his enemy Israel during the 2006 fiasco in Southern Lebanon:
There is a force in Southern Lebanon that proudly raised its head to challenge American and Israeli supremacy with a project that carries the seeds of dignity and is based on Islamic pillars and foundations and has a vision to manage the war with the enemy [Israel].
Its internal management is well designed to benefit the Umma [Islamic nation]. Then came the blow that ended in the humiliation through these fighters grinding the nose in the dirt of the number one power in the Middle East, that is Israel. This defeat caused an earthquake measured ten on the Richter scale and on the political scale in Israel. The aftershocks continue from this great earthquake of 2006 until today.
There was none left [without humiliation] from the Defense Minister, Interior Minister and Prime Minister. … Keep in mind, there is strength and strategic insight and presence locally and regionally for Hezbullah beginning in 2006 ’til today. They are thinking on how to return this fear to Israel and how to destroy Israel’s deterrence which is the pillar of Israel’s continuation and if this happens — this means that the line will begin to point extremely downwards for Israel’s deterrence.
In another instance, Sarsur even called for all Muslim nations to attack and annihilate Israel altogether:
Muslims from Jakarta [Indonesia] to Tangier [Morocco], if they knew the importance of the Kaa’ba, they would not await a single moment to move to Al-Aqsa [Jerusalem] in order to liberate it.
[The West] planted this foreign object [Israel] which does not fit in an eastern Islamic environment, planted it in its heart as to remain as a thorn in their side and a thorn in their throat in order to prevent their [Muslim] unity so as to stop this Islamic giant to take its [historic] position.
Sarsur’s vision for Israel is apocalyptic. He even called for an Islamic caliphate to replace Israel and to be centered in Jerusalem:
In Mecca sprouted the faith and in Jerusalem the caliphate will sprout, in Jerusalem, in the land of Palestine and in the end of days it will be the center of the caliphate and the land of resurrection and gathering.
Sarsur fought tooth and nail in order to ban any assimilation bill. The results of his resistance to integration can be seen on video taken in a school in Kufr Qra — the banner of the Islamic movement which Sarsur heads is clearly visible. Children from kindergarten age and up chant apocalyptic slogans:
O Allah, slaughter them. O Allah, make widows of Jewish women, make orphans of their children, disburse their families, give a dark day for all the Arabs that collaborate with them, O Allah do not lift a banner for the Jews and do not fulfill their goals, do not permit their banner to rise.
Sarsur’s community service has extended beyond little children. He has led the entire community of Jaljulia in “peaceful” marches in support of Gaza, with shouts demanding unity between Fatah and Hamas. Another video shows solidarity to his cause in the community of Baqa Al-Ghrabiyeh. A frenzied crowd of perhaps one hundred thousand:
Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, Muhammad’s army will return!
This is a reference to Mohammed’s massacre of the Khaybar Jews by decapitation. This vow to annihilate the Jews was not chanted in “Palestine” proper, Tehran, Damascus, or Cairo, but in Haifa.
Sarsur has clearly reneged on his oath to defend Israel.
How far will Israel go in allowing Islamists to help run the country? Might Khaled Mesha’al, Hamas’ leader, qualify to join the Knesset? Imagine such rhetoric from Keith Ellison, the only Muslim congressman serving in the U.S.: how quickly would he lose his seat? In pluralistic Israel, apparently even a jihadist can be a public servant.
RE:
This information is incorrect. It turns out that the definitive, oldest Torah scroll was discovered in the Sinai by Dr. Jean Pierre Scarebleu in 1923. He surreptitiously
took the scroll out of the Sinai and brought it to St. Louis de Ha Ha, Quebec and gave it to the Musée d’Hommes where it’s presently stored. The article Yamit refers to states,
The most startling revelation is that wherever the words “the land of the Canaani” In point of fact the original document does not refer to Canaani or Cherokee but
Canada. This is the true promised land however we’re trying to keep it a secret.
evildoctor says:
Prompted by the discovery of what could be the world’s oldest Torah scroll, unearthed by archeologists in the Sinai wilderness, a short distance away from the legendary mountain, where Moses received the Torah, INN blogger, Tzvi Fishman, has issued a moving statement, asking American Jews to forgive him for admonishing them for not coming to Israel on aliyah.
French and German archeologists at the site of the dig say that the Torah scroll may very well be the original scroll written by Moses himself. The most startling revelation is that wherever the words “the land of the Canaani” appear in normal Torah scrolls, the words “the land of the Cherokee” appear instead. Other discrepancies discovered in the ancient text also reveal that America may have been the original Promised Land, and that the Israelis changed the original wording in order to dupe the world into believing that the Land of Israel was the Holy Land instead.
Here are some examples:
“In that same day, the L-rd mad a covenant with Avram, saying, ‘To your seed have I given this land, from the Delaware River to the great California coastal highway, the lands of the Cherokee, and the Comanche, and the Blackfoot, and the Sioux” (Genesis, 15:18).
“And the L-rd said to Moses, I have surely seen the affliction of thy people who are in Egypt… and I am come down to bring them out of that land to a good and large land, a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Cherokee, and the Comanche, and the Blackfoot, and the Sioux” (Exodus, 3:8).
“The L-rd our G-d spoke to us in Sinai, saying, You have dwelt long enough in this mountain; turn and take up your journey and go to the land of the Cherokee, from California, to the New York island, from the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters. This land is your land, this land is My land; this land was made for you and me” (Exodus, 1:6).
“And I will set thy borders from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific, from the Navaho desert and the Gulf of Mexico unto the falls of Niagra and the plains of Canada, from Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands to the islands of Hawaii and the tundra of Alaska, from the sewers of Flatbush, to the crap tables of Vegas, and the shores of the Malibu” (Exodus, 23:31).
Meanwhile, the Jews in Israel are in a frenzied panic. The Prime Minister ’s Office has issued a statement saying that an emergency Knesset committee will investigate the matter. Orthodox Jewish leaders in Jerusalem claim that the revolutionary Torah scroll unearthed in the Sinai is a fake, in a “Peace Now” backed Palestinian and European Community plot to undermine Israel’s biblical claim to its homeland. In Washington, speculation has it that the United States may not veto a General Assembly resolution to oust Israel from the UN.
“I was wrong,” INN’s Fishman admits. “This discovery proves that America is the Promised Land. I’m so embarassed over all the blogs that I wrote. I’m packing up my family and moving back to New York as soon as I can.”
Yamit,
Keep educating us on vital lessons of the Torah like the lesson of the Spies. This is one of the most important lessons for our times as Jews contemplate either living in Israel or surrendering land to our enemies.
Pinchas
Arnold,
I made Aliyah from the US three years ago. I agree that the US has more personal freedoms than Israel does and that the political system here is not the correct one for a Jewish state. However, I can still live as a Jew better in Israel than anywhere else. If there were another Jewish state I perhaps would have moved there. But, right now we only have one Jewish state, so if we don’t like it we need to come here and fix it. We still need Jews like you in the US working on what’s wrong with the US. The best thing you can do for Israel short of making Aliya is to get rid of Obama.
Pinchas
Arnold, I remember what you wrote last time. I’m responding to your statement that
Keeping your personal issues that you outlined in a previous post out of this conversation, and speaking generally about Jewish Americans: Your statement is one I hear quite frequently. It pisses me off to no end that one group of people want to sit on their asses and complain that things aren’t exactly how they want them to be – so they’re not willing to work or fight to get it changed.
As to your belief that things are better in the US: Regardless of the lack of antisemitism you may find, things in general are not going so well over there. As far as your virtual army of 200 million armed citizens goes, thats going to be a lot of fun to be around when the financial system blows and people are hungry. Your inherent liberties are being stripped down as we speak and the people of America are too busy watching NFL or dancing with the stars to be bothered by it all.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
There is a story about a wagon driver for one of the Rebbes in Europe. He was asked the difference between left and right in politics.As the wagon approached a pile of horse manure he said, “the wagon wheel splits the pile in two but the left half and the right half stink the same way”.
who’s whinning Arnold? Not me. I don’t give a s..t about the world and have no positive expectations from anyone especially your dumb hillbillies and rednecks with guns. They will be useless against tanks.
They all had a short window of opportunity to get out of Europe even if it was to Palestine They all gave similar excuses to the ones you use.
Well we know what happened. The Jews who survived and came to Israel were the kind of Jews we needed. Not the wimpy Candy Asses you have in America. Except one!
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The other consideration was our realization, after October 1973, that Israel’s status was little more than that of a plaything of the United States. Later, all this was confirmed for us by the ongoing destruction of Jewish communities such as Yamit, at the hands of an ostensibly Jewish government. We could never and shall never live in any place where we lack the freedom to live anywhere we choose within the areas under control of the state. What happens repeatedly in Israel is something that we think will never happen in the USA, where we have a written constitution and where our rights ultimately are reinforced by the ability of the more than 200 million armed Americans to play havoc with anyone who attempts to trample too strongly on our inherent liberties.
Few that I know left Israel after we were ethnically cleansed by the most right wing nationalist Government Israel has ever had. So much for NATIONALISTS!!!!
RE:
Why Does Israel Allow a Seditious Man To Serve … in the Knesset?
Why does the US and Canada allow sedition to be promulgated in many mosques in both countries? They should be closed and the imams arrested and jailed or deported.
The answer: braindead Jews and left-wing politicians and media in Israel and North America who are too busy trying to succor those that will cut off their heads the
first chance they get.
Yonatan says:
Hey Arnold, guess what? American Jews who refuse to come live in the land given to us by G-d are hurting the cause more than the wealthy leftists that have entrenched themselves in the areas of power here. Chew on that one for a second.
The idea of all the world’s Jews being concentrated in one tiny country doesn’t augur well for the longevity of the Jewish people should things go very wrong for Israel. Imagine a scenario in which Israel egregiously miscalculates it’s war strategy in a hostile world with Israel bereft of powerful friends willing to put men and material in the ground or in the sky. With so many genocidal enemies arrayed against it and more than 1 Islamic dictatorship in possession of nuclear weapons it is within the realm of possibility that an error, miscalculation or whatever could result in the destruction of much or most of the Jews in Israel. Imagine what the Holocaust numbers would have been had 80 – 90% of the world’s Jews lived in Europe during the Nazi era? I for one am very happy to have all my family, including children and grandchildren living in Canada. Both the US and Canada are nations of immigrants that have been built from the ground up as societies in which inherent individual liberties are paramount and such will remain the case unless we allow the Islamists to gain more power and influence. If such happens then all I’ve just written will be invalid. However, I remain optimistic that there are just too many people in North America who aren’t willing to give up a way of life to an alien and violent religion. As for the Talmud and the belief that Hashem will step in to save the Jews: it would do us all well to remember that, as Arnold notes, divine protection was rather ineffective for a hell of a lot of Jews during the Nazi era. Be well armed and trained and relentless in destroying the enemy and then give a nod to Hashem if you like.
Yamit and Yonatan,
As I think I have written many times, my wife and I already have lived in Israel, for some 18 months in 1973-1974, while we were pursuing graduate studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem with support of one-year fellowships. We gave some thought about staying there. We could not. We could not get extensions on our fellowships. We wanted to complete our graduate degrees in anthropology and archaeology, in her case, and in city and regional planning in mine. Otherwise, we could not have gotten professional employment.
The other consideration was our realization, after October 1973, that Israel’s status was little more than that of a plaything of the United States. Later, all this was confirmed for us by the ongoing destruction of Jewish communities such as Yamit, at the hands of an ostensibly Jewish government. We could never and shall never live in any place where we lack the freedom to live anywhere we choose within the areas under control of the state. What happens repeatedly in Israel is something that we think will never happen in the USA, where we have a written constitution and where our rights ultimately are reinforced by the ability of the more than 200 million armed Americans to play havoc with anyone who attempts to trample too strongly on our inherent liberties.
Some of you write as if you would welcome the growth of anti-semitism in this country. I see no such trends, except among extreme leftists. The rightwing is nearly all on our side and that of Zionism in general and the State of Israel in particular.
Getting rid of your Judenraten is strictly up to you who live there. Nobody outside Israel can or shall do that for you. Get rid of them and you not only will survive but grow the power of an independent Jewish nation. Leave them in place, and your lives and futures will be mortgaged to whatever temporary protection you may get from returning to the armistice lines of strangulation of 1967. I should not wish to spend whatever is left of my own life agonizing over the manifold treacheries of my own government.
And stop spouting to me tidbits of Talmud or whatever. The burned ashes of the last group of Jews who tried depending on divine protection were swept into the rivers of Poland in the early 1940s.
In the meantime, stop your whining about how unfair the world is, and concentrate on building a base of national power, which is and always has been the only answer to world anti-semitism.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Hey Arnold, guess what? Some American Jews do come!!!
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Hey Arnold, guess what? American Jews who refuse to come live in the land given to us by G-d are hurting the cause more than the wealthy leftists that have entrenched themselves in the areas of power here. Chew on that one for a second.
From the tragedy of the Spies, we learn that a Jew should be extremely careful not to speak badly about the Land of Israel. Rather, he or she should always strive to see the good aspects of the Land. And they are many indeed. For instance, there are more Jews in Israel than anywhere else. There is more Torah learning in Israel than anywhere else. There are more Torah giants in Israel than anywhere else. There are more organizations dedicated to Hesed (charitable organizations) than anywhere else. There is less assimilation than anywhere else. Not to mention the staggering achievements in science, technology, agriculture, medicine, computer wizardry, and a dozen other fields.
Of course, there is always room for constructive criticism and suggestions on how to improve things, but to find fault and reject living in Israel because of it, this is way of the Spies.
As we learn from Joshua and Calev, the commandment to live in Israel applies even if there are giants and idol worshippers all over the country. It applies even if there are non-religious Jews, and lefties, economic fluctuations and wars. In fact, the halachah states that a Jew should always live in the Land of Israel, even in a city where the majority of the residents are pagans, rather than live in the Diaspora, even in a city where the majority of the residents are Jews.
We live in the Holy Land because it is the Holy Land. The mitzvah to live here doesn’t depend on the politics of the government, nor on whether a person is afraid to serve in the army, or whether he likes falafel or not. There is a mitzvah to live in Eretz Yisrael, period, which is not dependent on any others factors. Certainly not on the personal opinions and preferences of this Jew or that.
A recent talkback written by a woman who came on aliyah to Israel, that was sent in to Tamar Yonah’s blog
“I’m not out to judge other people, I only want to tell how it was for me: I made Aliyah with the equivalent of about 20.000 USD. That was all the money I had, a year and 3 months ago. I couldn’t even afford to bring over any furniture – I gave most of my belongings away for free and came here with 2 suitcases in hand, alone, and lived in one room in a shared apartment in an Absorption Center for nearly a year. Because I couldn’t afford a car, I walked on foot during that time. I knew in advance that my European medical license wouldn’t be recognized here. Despite having worked as a Medical Doctor for already 5 years, I knew I’d have to pass a licensing exam again. And as a MD here I’d earn less than where I came from. My Hebrew was rudimentary at best. I, thank G-d, passed the licensing exam, had to give up my first job after that due to still-bad Hebrew, found a wonderful husband and a new job that, b’Ezrat HaShem keeps both of us afloat, as a Doctor in the Israeli Army. I’ve got a car again by now. And I’m living in the Shomron (Samaria) in a small house in a settlement because I want to emphasize the right of Jews to live everywhere in Eretz Israel. I came with pretty much nothing and HaShem blessed me with everything I ever wanted. If you put all your energy, trust and will into living in Israel and are willing to forgo some luxuries (are they really essential?), HaShem will help and bless you in the country He wants us to live in. It works. I’ve tried it.”
The real thing is here in Israel. This is the major leagues. When it comes to being a Jew, there is nothing like it at all.
Speaking for myself, I don’t “expect” it. Those with foresight see that this is the last hoorah of the controlling upper crust in Israel. Whether it will take 5 or 10 or 20 years, I myself am here to fight for right and to do what ever little I can to pave the way for the Jewish Land to return to being Jewish. My children are born and planted here. If I don’t get to see justice done with my own eyes, there’s a good likelihood that they will.
In any case, when G-d offers you box seat tickets to His land, I grab the tickets and jump right in. Been here for decades. Seen stupid Jews keep on doing stupid things. I join and and contribute to causes which are fighting to remove the grip of the leftist establishment from our throats. Someone has to do it.
In addition, there was a time, not too long ago in history, where the comfortable well off Jews of Europe mocked the idea of going up to “Palestine”. They are no more. History will repeat itself. You will not be welcome in America forever.
Eizehu chacham? Ha’roeh et ha’nolad. Who is wise? One who sees the eventuality of what is coming.
SG, Yamit, et al.
Is this really the kind of country, with its apparently self-hating Judenrat of a government, for which seriously you folks expect Jewish Americans to uproot their lives and join you?
Rather than allowing such creatures to serve in the country’s governing body, their ought to be some legal means of trying them for treason and expelling them not only from the Knesset, but also from the State of Israel. Some of your leftists — and to be sure, all of ours — would say:
“What about democracy?”
To which I reply:
“I want and will respect democracy only for people who respect the rights of the Jewish nation to have its own national government and national land. And if I can’t have that, then fuck democracy.”
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI