The Pokrovsk Cauldron is COLLAPSING

Peloni:  The consequence of the deficiency in munitions, men and morale is unavoidable for Ukraine.  Pursuing objectives which diminish Russian naval or energy assets can not change this reality because it does not address the deficiencies which are responsible for the reality that Ukraine continues to cede ground nearly continuously while attacking Russia’s energy and naval assets.  The incongruence only grows greater with each declared Ukrainian ‘victory’ which fails to provide battlefield benefits…and the butcher’s bill grows ever greater for both sides.

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  1. Peloni, here isw what I’ve gathered so far on the tactical situation in Ukraine.

    1. Pokrovsk: Russia has drone superiority, and Ukrainian forces will probably have to start a controlled retreat. It likely will not involve thousands of Ukrainians, but more like hundreds — because, unfortunately for the Ukrainians, apparently their semi-surrounded troops have already been getting neutralized. Just beyond Pokrovsk, however, the ukrainians are well dug in.

    2. China:

    China’s $7.8B Drone Program Crashes After Ukrainian Hack

    https://youtu.be/Ws0amQwxLz4

    • @Michael,

      Ukrainian forces will probably have to start a controlled retreat.

      Well, they hope it will be controlled.

      The longer this war goes on, the more apparent the deficits which have crippled Ukraine since the beginning of the war will become unavoidably manifest. The Western arms help compensate these deficiencies, but then again, the West has always been willing to fight to the last Ukrainian. While it is useful to Western interests to do so, this can hardly be claimed to be true for Ukraine, which is why I have called for an end to this barbarous and unnecessary war, which will soon be three years into fighting. Very unfortunate.

    • @Michael

      “Ukrainian forces will probably have to start a controlled retreat”.

      I’m reminded of:

      “The story goes that Lincoln was marching his company and encountered an open gate, through which his formation needed to pass.[39] Unable to remember the proper command to direct his men through the gate, Lincoln called “Halt!” and ordered the men to fall out for two minutes and then reform on the other side of the gate.”[40]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_in_the_Black_Hawk_War

      and

      “The phrase “advance to the rear” is a military oxymoron and a known humorous malapropism or a sardonic quip used to describe a retreat or a chaotic withdrawal. It is not a documented direct quote from Abraham Lincoln himself, but rather a saying often used in a general sense during the Civil War era to describe a backward movement or a lack of progress.
      While Lincoln was deeply involved in military strategy and often expressed frustration with his generals’ cautiousness or failures to advance decisively, the specific colorful phrase “advance to the rear” is widely considered an anecdotal or folk saying, rather than a factual statement made by the President. ”

      AI Overview

  2. Poloni,

    I don’t understand why you’re wasting your life, posting this BS.

    I didn’t come here, to waste my time, on YOUR Putinist site against the loser, Putin. I came here with a link in memory about an interview between Gadi Taub and Tommy Robinson — a link of real substance for the Jewwish people — only to be confronted this Putinist nonesense.

    Please be nice to me, Peloni. I will unload the link here:

    https://rumble.com/c/IsraelUpdate

    …and now, I will do some lookups to deal with the Russians. Bear in mind, my wife and grandchildren will be calling me to supper before I can go on this rabbit trail; but you need to be refuted. See you in a bit. I will find plenty of links; and will send them to you; but you ought to know what they will say:
    1. Pokorovsk is part of a porous front line, where the Russians have been trapped throughout the summer in three enclaves, surrounded by Ukrainians, continually under Ukrainian fire control and unable to be replenished, while the Russkies have lost hundreds or thousands of men and literal heaps of materiel , with no net gain.
    2. that the Russkies have been slugging it out for over a year, in meatgrinder suicide after meatgrinder suicide.
    3. that almost all of Russia is under continual Ukrainian attack, losing its military, transport and economic infrastructure.
    4. that Putin has forfeitied what was once strong support by President Trump because of his repeated lying and refusal to seek a real peace.

    I’ll talk to you again, probably after supper. Shalom shalom.

      • @Michael You got me looking for Putin endorsements

        Putin Punch’: Soda company’s new flavor has Putin caricature getting punched on label
        Michael Bartiromo, Nexstar Media Wire4 years ago

        NEXSTAR) – You might not be able to punch Putin, but that doesn’t mean you can’t dream about it over a cold bottle of pop.
        A soda company in Connecticut was inspired to create its newest flavor, called “Putin Punch,” while brainstorming ways to raise awareness and money for Ukrainians amid Russia’s ongoing attack on the country.

        At least 50 cents from every bottle is being donated to the Ukrainian Red Cross Society,” Rob Metz, the general manager of Avery’s, said in an interview with Nexstar. “So far, as of today, we donated $2,000.”
        Avery’s, which is based in New Britain, has also marketed other novelty flavors in the past, including “Biden Berry” and “Trump Tonic”during the 2020 election. But Metz says Putin Punch is “a little more serious” than some of the company’s previous efforts — even if it does feature a caricature of Putin getting punched in the face on the label.
        “A lot of the other stuff we do has some political overtones to it … but this one has universal positive appeal,” said Metz. “I’m not sure there’s too many Putin-lovers out there.”

        The idea for the soda, which was conceived earlier this week, was fast-tracked almost as soon as Avery’s came up with a name.
        “We’ve got a really good group of folks that help us out with these things,” said Metz, who explained that Avery’s contacted a local artist to help with the caricature. The production team also tweaked the company’s existing recipe for fruit punch soda — to give it a bit less sweetness and more citric acid — so it would be ready for bottling by Tuesday afternoon.
        Metz said the soda has been met with positive reactions on Facebook, where some of Avery’s followers are even asking for the company to start working on a “Zelenskyy Zinger” to celebrate the Ukrainian president.
        In the meantime, the company is happy to help any way it can, Metz said.
        “We were asking ourselves, ‘What can we do?’” he said. “We can’t go over there and fight. But we can make soda. So we figured out a way that we can maybe make a little bit of a difference.”

        https://newsnationnow.com/us-news/putin-punch-soda-companys-new-flavor-has-putin-caricature-getting-punched-on-label/

        CoolCola: Russia Launches Coca-Cola, Fanta and Sprite Alternatives After Soda Exodus

        May 16, 2022
        A Russian beverage maker has unveiled a new range of soft drinks to replace the iconic brands that have left the Russian market in the wake of its invasion of Ukraine.
        In lieu of Coca-Cola, Fanta and Sprite, Russians will be able to choose from CoolCola, Fancy and Street, Russian drink producer Ochakovo announced Monday.
        The three global soda brands have been largely absent from Russian shelves since the Coca-Cola Company suspended business in Russia in March. While Coca-Cola products can still be found in shops, prices have skyrocketed by roughly 200% since the suspension.  
        CoolCola has the “iconic taste of cola,” Ochakovo wrote online. Meanwhile, the brand’s bottles of orange-flavored Fancy and lemon-lime Street mimic the color schemes of Fanta and Sprite.
        Established in the Soviet Union in 1978, Ochakovo largely produces traditional Russian beverages such as fermented grain-based kvass and low-alcohol honey drink medovukha.
        The firm isn’t the only company to try and capitalize on Coca-Cola’s step back from the Russian market. 
        In April, a beverages company based in Russia’s Far East, the Slavda Group, launched Grink Cola to try and capture the hearts of Russia’s soda lovers. Meanwhile in May, in the northern Russian region of Komi, the Syktyvkarpivo factory launched its own brand of soda, Komi Cola.
        However, both alternatives received a mixed response, with customers complaining that neither drink was “sweet and sparkling.”

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/16/russia-unveils-domestic-rivals-to-coca-cola-fanta-and-sprite-a77694

    • @Michael
      Your opinions are of course welcome here, but your abusive ad hominem is not. Please see the editorial resection on your comment.

      We posted the Tommy Robinson and Gadi Taub interview last week. It can be found here:
      https://www.israpundit.org/tommy-robinson-in-israel-with-gadi-taub/

      Regarding your assessment on the Ukraine War,
      1. “no net gain”?? You might look at the map again.
      2. It is a war of attrition, meaning that the army with the most men and munitions are at an advantage, and that is not Ukraine.
      3. “almost all of Russia is under continual Ukrainian attack” even if your exaggeration here were accurate, it hasn’t helped Ukraine take a single hectare of ground, ie the Ukrainians are still falling back.
      4. Neither Putin nor Zelensky have Trump’s strong support. He wants the war to end, and on his terms. Til he gets this from them both, he will make their lives difficult.

      • Peloni, I didn’t say one word against your “hominem”. I spoke against your words, which I have difficylty thinking are even your actual opinions; but you know all this, of long standing.

        At any rate, I’m not posting to refute anything about yourself; but everything about your defense of that tyrant Putin, who is not worthy of your endorsement. I have often spoken of my admiration of you personally. You know this.

        Now, I need to say more about this Putin fellow. I’m sorry you take this all personally. I’ll end, with a clip specifically about Petrovsk:

        https://youtu.be/W-6zCKETI_U

        • So, one of them will win. Why is this something to get so upset about?

          “War is sports by other means.” Von Clausewitz

          “Fielding Mellish’s Honeymoon” -“Howard Cosell Bananas” Woody Allen 1971

          This could also go in the Feminism thread

          https://youtu.be/shijJmRYnEg?si=Km3pIU-_7NEnYjNW

          “New Horizons in Music Appreciation” PDQ Bach

          https://youtu.be/f0vHpeUO5mw?si=izjuAPoZjp7ZUei2

          PDQ Bach Echo Sonata for two unfriendly groups of insyruments

          https://youtu.be/ngsY8FX2gQM?si=a4dv0tB0G4cQuvhf

          Bothfrom PDQ Bach on the Air (LP) (1967}

          https://youtu.be/bLwUr4ARfXg?si=IiDVdLrmslEicQfe

            • Sebastien,

              You certainly have a sense of humor, which means we still have some sanity among us…

              Alternatively, it could mean anything — including that all the intelects gathered here are insane.

              I have to move on to some other subjects. For now, I will say that Peloni and I have opposing views on the matter of the Ukraine rivals, and we’ve both expressed them..

              I will presently post another link, which may make it seem that I am straying off course; but I may simply be reframing things:

              Russia et al vs. Ukraine et al is a very deadly conflict, of historical magnitude and epochal consequences; but it isn’t the only show in town. There are many productions going on, in many theaters; yet the same actors seem to be starring in all of them (One of the prominent ones being the Soros family). I believe the following link:

              The U.S. Just Made a $40 Billion Bet Against China | Elon Musk
              https://youtu.be/CYcJJ5d9ghc

              is intimately intertwined with the Ukraine War. We’ll soon find out how things turn out.

              • @Michael I listened to the beginning of Musk’s doom and gloom spiel about Argentina, and I was reminded of
                this:

                Deteriorata” is a comedy record released as a single in 1972. It is a parody of Les Crane’s 1971 spoken-word recording of “Desiderata”, the early 20th-century poem by Max Ehrmann. (“Desiderata” is Latin for “desired things”; “deteriorata” is a portmanteau of the verb “deteriorate” and “desiderata”.)
                The parody was written by Tony Hendra for National Lampoon magazine, and was recorded for the album Radio Dinner. Narrator Norman Rose read the parody poem and Melissa Manchester was the background vocalist, both closely tracking the format of Crane’s original. Christopher Guest wrote the music.
                “Deteriorata” appeared on the lower reaches of the Billboard magazine charts for a few weeks in late 1972, peaking as high as No. 91 on the Billboard Hot 100 Charts.[1] The parody gained some significance and popularity as a frequent presentation on the Dr. Demento radio show.[2][3]
                Les Crane himself later admitted that he preferred the parody version over his Grammy-winning recording of the original poem.[4]
                Cultural references
                edit
                The song incorporates several catchphrases and news items of the era:
                “Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three lefts do.” A play on directional logic and the double meaning of the word “right.”.
                “Remember the Pueblo”, a bumper sticker slogan honoring the crew of the USS Pueblo, held hostage by North Korea in 1968.[5]
                “Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate”, parodies a caution printed on punched cards, particularly those used as government checks, during the mid-20th century.[6]
                “Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese”, making fun of a Gaines-Burgers dog food advertising campaign, which asked, “Is your dog getting enough cheese in his diet?”[7]
                “Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan”: bird populations were affected by pesticides, the Environmental Protection Agency was established in 1970, tuna had been discovered to be high in mercury, and Taiwan was removed from the United Nations in favor of the heretofore unrecognized People’s Republic of China in 1972.

                – Wikipedia

                • Hi, Sebastien

                  Deteriorata” is a comedy record released as a single in 1972. It is a parody of Les Crane’s 1971

                  In December, 1971, I was taking my one-hour break in the stockade, watching a news report (featuring Yours Truly) on TV while sitting next to a GI accused of blowing up his seargent. I didn’t hear any mention there of Les Crane’s work.

                  I think you mentioned somewhere, that you received a degree and a teaching position at some Ivy League college. Those are enviable credentials. I presume our friend/ frenemy Peloni is similarly endowed. Please don’t take that as an ad hominem attack: It is a genuine compliment, to both of you.

                  I just am curious about one thing: Where were either of you in December, 1971. Just curious.

                  • @Michael Nope. Just a couple
                    of semesters at Columbia. BA Magna Cum Laude in History, with Labor studies minor at CCNY, taught there as TA. Uncompleted Masters in Viola Performance there, I year of 2 year violin diploma program at Mannes. Graduated from 301 hour paralegal course, non-degree at now-defunct Paralegal Institute (I didn’t kill it.) Manhattan School of Music Preparatory Division (violin major in junior high and high school). Acting and playwrighting courses at HB studios. Studied piano tuning and Ohashistsu somewhere in there. Went to taxi school drove a cab briefly. Jack of a few trades, master of none. Worked as a lobbyist at the council on foreign relations. Sometimes we played in the lobby, sometimes we played the wedding ceremony, reception, and cocktail hour as well. (I never tire of that one.)

                    Had some famous professors in history. Marxism with Marshall Berman who is
                    famous in China for “All that is solid melts into thin air” book.

                    Interesting takeaway from that course: I wrote a short paper about the debate between Rosa Luxemburg about democracy in which Lenin said, “Good leaders are not born by the hundred.” Marx believed the same thing.

                    George Washington believed that they were.

                    You can see the
                    character of a nation in the
                    personality of
                    its founder.

                    Israel today matches Herzl’s vision to a tee.

                    What can we expect from this Syria? same goes for any conceivable Muslim Arab state or entity west of the Jordan river. Should not be a surprise to anyone who understands that.

                    The founder of this movement was Haj Amin Al Husseini, the British appointed Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who spent the war in Germany, Yugoslavia and Poland, as an honorary general in the SS/Gestapo, overseeing the Final Solution, the predecessor to the Two State Solution. Any plan with the word,”solution” in its title should make any Jew suspicious, right off the bat.

                    Why are so many people so dense that they can’t add two and two to make 4? It’s simple arithmetic not the New Math!!!!

                    https://youtu.be/W6OaYPVueW4?si=4jpFwEImKWV55t65

                  • @Michael In December 1971, I was 12 snd in 7th grade. I’m a 4th generation Manhattanite. though both of my parents were foreigners, my father from Hungary and my mother from Brooklyn.

                    Serendipitously, I’m not going to let John Cussack ruin that word for me, a video popped up from the Korean Pentacostal Protestant Christian Evangelical Church orchestra where I played
                    for 16 years, minus a two year layoff, and where I learned about my people’s history. I once dropped my keys backstage and a Korean colleague picked them and gave them back to me (they had a Star of David and an I Ching trigram which is slso at the center of
                    the Korean flag) and I quipped that the one that was a spiritual symbol and the one that was a symbol of
                    national pride for her were the same thing for me but reversed. 😀

                    Though that has changed somewhat, and that process is ongoing, as I’ve made clear, elsewhere. I just achieved 207 consecutive days learning the Hebrew alphabet on Duolingo. I’m a very, verrry slow learner.

                    Lets just pray that I’m not painting a big fat target
                    on my back what with what’s coming here at ground zero. I encourage Peloni to remain mysterious whoever and wherever he may be.

                    https://youtu.be/Kc4MRVKDfDg?si=-Gg-4ZILx_T-h5Nn

                    And apropos of
                    nothing, a new interpretation of my favorite violin and viola concerto popped
                    up just
                    now.

                    by Max Bruch who wrote kil Nidre though he wasn’t Jewish

                    https://youtu.be/U54RSMEZ0E4?si=q-EQMPrqOKrs-U56

                  • @Michael I owned these comedy LP’s at the time snd saw these movies in theaters, as well or on regular tv. There were a lot of old broadcasts on radio, as well. This is the period of time that shaped my sense of humor. That’s how I knew what to search for. Miles and miles of antiquarian book stores and record stores. The culture-killing phrase, “oh, that’s before my time” wouldn’t
                    be coined until the mid-80’s. It really was a golden age of
                    American humor. And intellect. Of culture, high, middle, and low. Indigenous and foreign. The ‘70s. Now, you have to know what you are looking for for
                    the algorithm to catch on.

                    If you wanted to be mean, you could counter with, “no wonder! I felt like I was conversing with a twelve-year
                    old time-traveler from another era.” 😀

                    Benjamin Button, at your service.

        • Michael

          everything about your defense of that tyrant Putin, who is not worthy of your endorsement..

          I have given no endorsement of Putin, and your suggestion that I have is another derogatory attack against me which violates site policy. Please stop this.

          Ukraine has no chance of victory as its lines continue to demonstrate the impact of the deficiencies which they can not ignore. It is just this simple.

          So rather than speaking about your perception of me, speak about what I am speaking about. That would be the making of a legitimate conversation.