T. Belman. To delay is to empower the enemies. Conversely, to fly in their faces and move it without hesitation, puts the “stakeholders” back on their heels. They must understand that they have no say in the matter. The US can place their embassy any where they want in Jerusalem, even the eastern part of Jerusalem. For the last 8 years, the Arabs have had a field day imposing their will on Israel regardless of their rights or their violation of Oslo. It is imperative that the tables be now reversed. But more important than moving the embassy is for the US to approve Israeli construction in Jerusalem and approve of the annexation of the settlement blocs. The US should also say unequivocally that the settlements are legal.
It bothers me that the Trump team now emphasizes that a settlement with the Palestinians can only come about through direct negotiations. These moves by Trump tie our hands and his. Negotiations gives too much power to the Palestinians. It gives them a veto on everything. Not acceptable.
If the US ignores their Arab allies and moves the Embassy, the Arabs will still need American support. These matters can and should be decoupled.
BY MICHAEL WILNER, JPOST 23 JANUARY 2017
Jordan, the Palestinian Authority and other Arab allies have warned the White House of severe repercussions should it proceed with the move.
Washington. Once committed to quickly moving America’s embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, the Trump administration is now expressing caution, promising only to review the matter extensively and in consultation with “stakeholders” in the conflict.
That deliberative process tracks closely with the policy evolutions of two prior presidents, Barack Obama and George W. Bush, who also campaigned on a pledge to move the embassy. Both ultimately reversed course while in their first terms office.
“If it were already a decision, then we wouldn’t be going through a process,” Sean Spicer, the new White House press secretary, said in his first press briefing on Monday. He declined to commit the administration to moving the embassy by the end of Trump’s term, four years from now. “His team is going to continue to consult with stakeholders as we get there.”
Jordan, the Palestinian Authority and other Arab allies have warned the White House of severe repercussions should it proceed with the move, including a review of bilateral relations with both the US and Israel. Arab states have also warned of an upsurge in violence should the embassy be relocated.
Trump’s campaign promise was unflinching: “We will move the American embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people, Jerusalem,” Trump told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in March. He repeated that commitment at several subsequent campaign events.
“The Palestinians must come to the table knowing that the bond between the United States and Israel is absolutely, totally unbreakable,” he said.
I absolutely agree that that we share the use of the Mosque of Omar..although it should be destroyed If we felt we are the Real Owners of the land
ArnoldHarris Said:
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That stuff about Abraham being the father of the Arabs is just aload of Islamic crap adopted when the mythical Muhammed tried to get the Jews to follow him as a prophet. Abraham, if he ever lived, was never the father of the Arabs, unless the Jews converted by the sword to Islam are meant.
Just a load of Mythical Arab crap, needing an elephant-sized shovel…. It takes the Haredi Jews to believe this nonsense because it supports their own belief that Abraham is the father of the Jews, which happens to be possible…as far as it goes…but the Arabs…just whimsy… Their father was a cross between a gorilla and a neanderthal…… an outcast who wasn’t particular… And which was the mother is debatable….
I have written before, and I continue to maintain, that the location of the US embassy in Israel is far less significant than Israel’s progress on thorough Israeli Jewish settlement of Judea and Samaria, so that Eretz-Yisrael will be rendered indivisible from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River.
In this matter, I agree fully with BR’s above comment.
Symbolism is nothing. Power is everything.
But if symbolism is so important to all the rest of you, push the Israeli government into breaking the Jordanian Waqf control over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
If you haven’t got th4 guts to destroy the Mosque of Omar and replacing it with the Third Temple of the Jewish nation, then insist on sharing use of that building for Jewish as well as Islamic religious services, which is the sort of dual usage by Moslems and Jews of the cave in Hevron where Avraham, the father of both the Arab and Jewish nations, lies buried.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
not at all, didnt you see my post where Friedman stated that the critical thing is that negotiations cant proceed without the pals ending violence and recognizing the Jewish state. Thats what BB wanted…. BB never said anything about the Jews getting their homeland as promised in YS. Trump says what he is told Israel wants by folks like Friedman and Kushner. As soon as he finds out that Israelis and Jews are nuts and cant even agree that they want their own promised homeland he will want to distance himself from those looony tunes.
as for me, I dont care whether other folks recognize jerusalem or the pals recognize the Jewish state… their recognition is valueless and easily taken away…. the most important thing is settling jews in YS, outside the major blocks and capturing the vacant lands of YS. If that is done all else will follow. What is important is that Jews and Israel recognize Jerusalem as the capital and YS as part of the homeland not to be given away.
Dean Blake Said:
my understanding is that not even Israel has moved its capitol to Jerusalem… that most gov buildings are in Tel Aviv… correct me if I am wrong. In any case I would not expect a foreigner to do what even half of Israelis DONT WANT to do. Its time to stop looking everywhere else to blame.. it is the Jews.. in Israel and the diaspora… who thwart the return of the Jews to Jerusalem and Judah Samaria…. if the Jews cannot say they want it then expect NO ONE ELSE to say they want the Jews to have it. Look in the mirror, Jews and Israelis.
Dean Blake Said:
absolute rubbish…. you obviously have been away from discussion here where a number of us predicted that Trump would water down his commitment because BB will ask him to do that. There is even a video on that right here right now with Moshe Feiglin saying the same thing. I said that many times here…. the problem is NOT trump… the problem is BB, the GOI, the Israeli people.
Trump said he was not married to the TSS after election and BB loudly and publicly begged him to support the TSS. Trump spoke of moving jerusalem over and over and I predicted that BB would get him behind the scenes to NOT move the embassy. Trump said he is not against settlement… so BB under pressure from his voters starts his usual announcements… but where… in already annexed Jerusalem and in the major settlment blocks….. NONE in the vast empty vacant lands of Judah Samaria outside the major blocks. BB let the euros illegally build muslim homes in C and E1 for 8 years until he was caught and exposed… Ill bet they are still building. Trump is more supportive of Israel than most american Jews and almost half of Israeli Jews… no one to the left of Bennet supports Jews settling in YS outside the euro designated ghetto boundaries of the major blocs
So forget about this trump fairy tale… If I was Trump and after offering to abandon the TSS and allow settlement and got the reaction from BB, and then later came to learn that half of Israelis want to give YS to the muslims….. why would I bust my chops for those nutjob Jews? I would walk away and say ok… if you say so…. BB already started using his old story of being pressured by the US…. he probably asked trump to back off it. My speculation is more supported by evidence than the perennial replies of the BB apologists who always say he is under pressure… all this was predicted… even by Feiglin.
look at this to see the kind of rubbish that Israelis speak.. the leftist wants only west jerusalem and sees no connection to Jerusalem. Trump is far ahead more supportive of Jews and Israel than that guy talking to Feiglin.
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63620967/comment-page-1#comment-63356000183490
Trump the goy got the NY vote he wanted and has now done a volt face on the issue. What can you expect from a goy? this was inevitable. There is NEVER going to be a ‘good time’ to move the embassy. Move it, suffer some consequences, and break the Arab logjam. They are not in charge of the USA.
@ Ted Belman:
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Thanks Ted..
Talbiya or Talbiyeh (Arabic: ???????? , Hebrew: ????? ), established 1923,officially Komemiyut, is an upscale neighborhood in Jerusalem, located between Rehavia and Katamon.
There are more urgent things to do.
Like according violins between Russia and US.
Islamofascism is an URGENT issue to confront as well as N Korea.
Everything needs to be done thoughtfully. These actions have life & death consequences. Not that the savages care about. But we do or at the minimum we should.
Friedman, if confirmed, will be living in his apartment in Talbiya. Where is that in Jerusalem? Sounds like that might be the ’embassy’. His confirmation hearing will be really interesting.
@ WoolyMammoth:
I agree. This should be done only when the time is right.
Perhaps the context of the statement was in response to the UN resolution of two weeks ago, the one in which The US abstained. The statement was for sure coordinated with Netanyahu, probably during their phone conversation.
Few people can see what Trump has in mind. It is fairly obvious to me that he intends to fulfill that promise, however it will be in conjunction with a push to renew negotiations. Now, let me ask you a question, do you think Trump will have more or less clout in Jordan And Egypt after he sneaks a quickie move of the Embassy in the wee hours or just having entertained such an idea, like the situation as we presently have it. Why is it so obvious? Well, Trump has made no secret of his wanting to try bring the sides together and do a deal. He wants to try. So let him try. Trump gets to try and Israel gets the US Jerusalem Embassy. That is Trump’s promise and he also promised never to pressure Israel on a deal and that he would never lie to “the American People…”. But it is all coordinated with The GOI at this point, 100%. Oh by the way, just like when Mexican President Fox ruled out cooperating and condemned Trump’s concept of “The Wall” and Trump remarked that the wall just got 5 feet taller; with every threat ThePA/Hamas hurl at President Trump, the same consequences will accrue until the point of action. And you know it will, just as sure Obama is finished.
Trump has been consistent to date.
Also, I disagree that the embassy must be moved NOW. It will require meticulous planning with a good measure of HUMINT.
@ Edgar G.:
The actual quote is “[P]eace between Israel and the Palestinians can only be negotiated directly between the two parties,”. The GOP platform which is supported by Trump opens up the door to alternate solutions and doesn’t limit them to the Palestinians. So talking about negotiations with the Arabs is a step back.
Ted tells that Trump says that ” settlement with the Palestinians can only come about through direct negotiations”. I know they are just Ted’s words but I don’t think it means exactly what is implies. “Settlement” means a host of things none of which mean a Palestinian State. “direct negotiations” doesn’t mean that they succeed… And there can be no “Palestinian” State unless Israel agrees to it.
I think that Trump is just being in his “Presidential” mode…he operates by keeping everyone off balance, and it comes naturally to him. He knows well that if he reneges on any of the promises made about Israel he’ll possibly cause a rift in the family he dearly loves, and also Jews, including all his friends, as well as Israel, will never trust anything he says again. I don’t know if any of this would mean a lot to him, but I believe that it would.
He’s getting far too much “advice” verging on “instruction” on what he should do, from every Tom, Dick and Harry in Israel and elsewhere. They should TONE IT DOWN, and restrain the euphoria…It would be far better is instead of telling him what he “Must Do Immediately”, the writers confined themselves to their idea of possible means to achieve whatever they are writing about, less dogmatism and more subtlty.
Everybody and his dog seems to be “sticking his nose in”… Just my opinion.
Well, if Trump does not go ahead then the Arabs will have their first victory and will just make threats every time the US wants to do something that they object to, that means everything pro-israel or against Immigration of Muslims, Islamic expansionism etc.
I do not believe that the argument that the move will inflame the Middle East. The Arabs need no help to do that, they have had. Murderous bonfire going for centuries, long before Embassies were invented. And moving this one cannot make matters worse.
Trump must tell the Arabs that he is the POTUS not them. Move the Embassy and show strength, just be sure to protect it properly the Arabs are sociopaths when they don’t get their own way. And by the way all ME Arabs are pretty much Radical Islamists.