What Americans Don’t Know About the Russia & Ukraine Situation

Candace argues that the US and NATO are the aggressors and have been since the fall of the USSR.
She must be running for President at some time in the future.

January 29, 2022 | 81 Comments »

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  1. @ SEBASTIEN-

    Yes, when writing the post I was trying to think of his name which always eludes me, but didn’t want to interrupt my writing. Didn’t Whittaker Chambers expose him I think as being from the 1930s but under a different name.

    I never recall his name , only the 5 years for perjury. I always wondered; if he got sentenced for perjury, what about the crimes he lied about, he didn’t get anything for them. He really had “pals” in the Justice Dept.

  2. To repeat the substantive part:

    “However here is a very grey area and I’m not happy to report it because IMHO Jews have suffered more than enough.

    418.09 is a number to be concerned about and represents ppm (parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere) on a certain date, in this case January 27, 2022.

    But what’s all this anyway, a strange number and fact trotted out in a strange article, what is this guy getting at?

    Well we know that if you trace back over the annals of time you will have to go back 3 million years to find such a level of this key.gas in our atmosphere.

    It might not be a bad idea for chief bookworms to do a little research.”

  3. Laura that was an unethical cut intomy post but of course I ondemn especially socialist antisemitism and have the scars to show but not complaining.

    “Joshua Rubinstein’s ‘When Jews are oppressed, Jews are threatened, Jews are physically attacked, [Trotsky] responds in very vehement, and sometimes courageous ways.”

  4. Absolutely correct Peloni. This regime is intent on destroying America and certainly destroying our military and economic power and dominance. That is the goal of the Great Reset. We’ve seen with the humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan and the shutdown of our energy independence, open borders etc.

    Your assertion that the current crisis in Europe is being driven by US need to sell it’s oil is silly, as it ties the goals of the Trump administration with the deeds of the Anti-Trump administration. The current false flag govt in Washington has no interest in the US economy and certainly not in enabling the gas industry which it is intent upon destroying. There are greater goals behind the current Washington power elites that have nothing to do with solidifying US power dominance on any front. At some point, you have to accept that a stopped clock would at some point be found to have the correct time, even if it were simply for a moment. To be consistently wrong in every step taken, requires a certain strategy and certainly not one with US interests involved.

  5. Felix will not acknowledge the murderous anti-Semitism under communist regimes.

    That’s what is good about Laura she doesn’t leave much room for grey areas.

    However here is a very grey area and I’m not happy to report it because IMHO Jews have suffered more than enough.

  6. @Bear
    There are many articles which say,

    “The US government silently abandoned an eastern Mediterranean pipeline project that would carry Israeli gas through Cyprus to Europe this week by submitting a non-paper to Athens explaining its reasons, Middle East Eye has learned.

    The US non-paper, according to the Greek media, described the project as a “primary source of tension” and something “destabilising” the region by putting Turkey and regional countries at loggerheads. “

    So does that kill it? Maybe.. Depends on how indispensable Us is to the project.

    Only if Israel decides to carry on without US support is it still alive.

  7. @ Ted part of EU energy problem is gas storage facilities are completely inadequate. There is one other pipeline that runs from Azerbaijan that could supply large amounts of Gas but EU does not have places to store gas.

  8. What a total bitch candace owens is.

    That’s what is good about Laura she doesn’t leave much room for grey areas.

    However here is a very grey area and I’m not happy to report it because IMHO Jews have suffered more than enough.

    418.09 is a number to be concerned about and represents ppm (parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere) on a certain date, in this case January 27, 2022.

    But what’s all this anyway, a strange number and fact trotted out in a strange article, what is this guy getting at?

    Well we know that if you trace back over the annals of time you will have to go back 3 million years to find such a level of this key.gas in our atmosphere.

    It might not be a bad idea for chief bookworms to do a little research.

  9. @Edgar
    It is true that the European deal was largely concluded at Yalta, but the Polish details were completed at Potsdam and the terrible betrayal of the Chinese by agreeing to the ceding of Manchuria to Russia was also concluded at Potsdam. The use of popular elections within the individual nations to form their own govt was also done away with at Potsdam as I recall. The Cold War was really linked to both of these.

    I had a professor who once described the Yalta conference as being between a tyrant, a mouse and a ghost. As a great admirer of Churchill, I never liked his characterization of Churchill as a mouse, but he was sidelined by the Americans and the conference was largely between the tyrant and the ghost as a result. In fairness to Churchill, the greatest interest he had was to secure the British Empire. Regarding Potsdam, there was some improvement with Truman, but he was very new in the role as President and with Churchill in a lame duck position in England, Stalin again gained a great victory in exchange for his promise to finally declare war on Japan.

    Good point about Berlin. Again, this was a result of the weakness in the West, which stopped at Berlin and was to later give rise to NATO and the Marshall plan.

  10. @ PELONI_n

    Was it not all arranged at Yalta, where Roosevelt gave away the whole Eastern half of Europe to Stalin just before he died, and Churchill said little or nothing, but was there because Britain had played such a big part in the earlier years of the war. Roosevelt was half comatose a lot of that meeting, and Churchill was a toothless tiger.

    Does anyone forget that Russia replaced a ruthless fascist dictatorship for a Soviet similar one. Does anyone recall how strongly the Soviets tried to take over all Berlin repulsed only the Americans who had the greatest danger keeping the City supplied, along that pencil thin air corridor daring not to overshoot the line by even an inch, or be shot down by their erstwhile allies whom they had supplied with all the war materiel they could manufacture in 24 hour round the clock shifts. ..

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  11. @Reader
    Your comment about Russia liberating the nations in Eastern Europe would have been true if they had actually liberated the Eastern European nations and left, but they didn’t. Unfortunately, they found American and European weakness to be strong enough to enable them to collect and keep all that they “liberated” and hence the Cold War was the product of agreements struck at Yalta and elsewhere which left a Soviet behemouth to dominate Europe. This was not a good thing by any measure, certainly not for those wretched souls left under Stalin’s rule which placed Russia on par, geopolitically, to oppose the US.

    The Soviet Union was the creation of great weaknesses waged against the Red Bear Joe Stalin. Hence, it’s formation was due to bargains struck by the US and the inability of the nations “liberated” by Russia to have a say in their own lack of independence with the Red Army in the local square. It is often stated that the Iron Curtain was raised over Eastern Europe by Russia, but the truth is that the Iron Curtain was actually dropped over Eastern Europe by the US and the West’s weakness. Russia was given an opening to make a 100 yard dash and she took it, and would have continued taking it if left unopposed. Consequently, the potential for the Soviet plague to further sweep over the war ravaged nations of Europe was real and this would have place the US in a position of domination by Russia. This was the basis of the creation of NATO, which kept the remainder of Europe free from Soviet enslavement, which was not a bad thing.

    Your assertion that the current crisis in Europe is being driven by US need to sell it’s oil is silly, as it ties the goals of the Trump administration with the deeds of the Anti-Trump administration. The current false flag govt in Washington has no interest in the US economy and certainly not in enabling the gas industry which it is intent upon destroying. There are greater goals behind the current Washington power elites that have nothing to do with solidifying US power dominance on any front. At some point, you have to accept that a stopped clock would at some point be found to have the correct time, even if it were simply for a moment. To be consistently wrong in every step taken, requires a certain strategy and certainly not one with US interests involved.

  12. @SEBASTIEN,

    I personally don’t care what Putin has. I was paraphrasing the Forbes report, including how they assess that he got that wealth.

    Yes, the PM and Putin got along very well together. Putin seems to have always had a special interest in Israel. I read several times that he owns property there. Also bought an apartment which was for his old teacher to live in, who was Jewish and poor, and emigrated to Israel,
    . Likely an allowance also. There were stories in the Jewish news outlets about it some years ago.

  13. @Edgar On the other hand, Putin saved Israel from Obama at the UN unless you believe Bibi was lying. Putin has also coordinated with Israel in Syria though now Russia is patrolling along the Golan Heights with the Syrian airforce and I don’t know that signifies. Russia is a two-edged sword as far as Israel is concerned. Whatever it is, it is not the Soviet Union. And this level of concern and involvement is, in my opinion, simply unwarranted. The Democrats with some RINOs, neo-cons and confused Republicans always whip up hysteria against a former enemy while ignoring or appeasing the current ones, eg Saudi Arabia, Libya, Russia vs Iran, China, the Houthis.

  14. @Edgar On the other hand, Putin saved Israel from Obama at the UN.
    https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1872419/new-details-emerge-how-putin-thwarted-obamas-anti-israel-resolution.html

    Jpost is hostile but grudgingly admits it is confirmed https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/did-putin-save-israel-from-obama-at-un-and-why-are-we-hearing-this-now-631813

    This article has less detail but contains the original article from Israel Hayom which detractors will, of course, dismiss as being from a pro-Bibi paper so I didnt lead with it.

  15. @ LAURA-

    Forbes “estimates” Putin has 200 billion…repulsive; and could only be attained by graft, murders, and outright theft…..(Hope he doesn’t read this).

  16. Again, this is without logic. All we had to do was keep open our own Keystone pipeline and keep Nordstream shut down. But Biden has been appeasing Putin literally from day 1. Your comment is the kind of convoluted logic coming from Putin sycophants who twist Putin’s aggression into him being the victim.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    This whole “Russia attacking Ukraine” trick or most of it is about stopping Nord Stream 2 indirectly an selling American gas to the (mortally scared) EU.

  17. Again, this is without logic. All we had to do was keep open our own Keystone pipeline and keep Nordstream shut down. But Biden has been appeasing Putin literally from day 1. Your comment is the kind of convoluted logic coming from Putin sycophants who twist Putin’s aggression into him being the victim.

    This whole “Russia attacking Ukraine” trick or most of it is about stopping Nord Stream 2 indirectly an selling American gas to the (mortally scared) EU.

  18. @Laura you are correct some people can not be taken seriously. They should talk to Russian Jews or Ukrainian Jews who first hand experienced horrible Antisemitism.

  19. That certainly describes Putin who is worth billions which he stole from the people of his own country.

    @Laura

    War comes from the elites wanting more than they already have and making useful idiots out of their subjects.

  20. Reader you shown that you cannot be taken seriously.

    It was a hell of a lot better than it is in the US, France, and England now.

    The Jews were not beaten up in the streets (outside of the war and the German occupation) and the propaganda was nowhere this vicious.

  21. @Laura

    the treatment of Jews under the communist Soviet Union.

    It was a hell of a lot better than it is in the US, France, and England now.

    The Jews were not beaten up in the streets (outside of the war and the German occupation) and the propaganda was nowhere this vicious.

  22. This whole “Russia attacking Ukraine” trick or most of it is about stopping Nord Stream 2 indirectly an selling American gas to the (mortally scared) EU.

  23. So now you’re defending Israel’s enemies, assad and hussein, both of whom tried to acquire nuclear weapons? It’s one thing to criticize NATO’s recent activities, but this thread engaged in historical revisionism that the US/NATO were the aggressors during the cold war with the Soviets. No sane person can believe that.

    US/NATO overthrew Gadhafi, Mubarak, Hussein in Iraq, the previous regime in Ukraine, Milosevic in Serbia and tried to overthrow Assad in Syria. God knows who else..

  24. Who are we to judge the left’s tearing down of statues and and rewriting of our history into portraying America as inherently evil, since the right is now in agreement that we are evil.

  25. @Ted, I was talking to someone I know in the EU and he said they are trying to source gas from mulitple sources as no one source is large to supply all the gas needs Germany and Austria have if the Russian supply was cutoff or greatly diminished.

  26. Well said Adam Dalgliesh. I don’t know what’s happened to the conservative movement, but its morphed into something I don’t recognize. These people sound exactly like the left during the cold war with their ugly anti-American, pro-Russian rhetoric. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

    As for you Felix, perhaps you should read some history yourself, about the treatment of Jews under the communist Soviet Union.

  27. @Adam Dalgliesh

    I am not a “Russian groupie”, I am a “facts and reality groupie”.

    For me politics is not a soccer match and I don’t start calling people names when I have no valid arguments to counter theirs.

    Everything you said about Russia and worse you can say just about any country in the world, especially about the so-called “civilized” ones.

    Like I already said, the Russian “misfortune” is its possession of most of the continent and having a relatively small population in relation to its territory, that’s why it is constantly demonized and attacked.

    I don’t want war, and those who do should be prepared to have it on their own territory and by their own homes this time, and I doubt that they will like it even if they and their families manage to stay alive.

  28. NATO’s escalation in Ukraine? Russia is the aggressor, and if anything is acting in response to the US and NATO’S weakness, incoherence and division, not aggressiveness. Again, stupid and illogical argument that you and the rest of the Putin apologists make.

  29. Somebody should lend Laura a few books. As I remember Russian guys liberated Auschwitz, looked after the survivors, helped Otto Frank get back to Amsterdam and eventual publication of Anne’s Diary. I commend Reader.

  30. Ok, so its tens of millions. What’s the difference. It doesn’t change the point I was making. The claim that the US “took over” western Europe is ludicrous. These were free countries with free elections, not under our control. Often times western Europe stood in opposition to us and obviously still does. NATO was created as an alliance of free nations to prevent Soviet expansionism. Also, America relinquished territory after WW2. So screw you and your anti-Americanism. The same goes for Ted.

    The Soviet Union had ~290 million people (its largest population) in 1992.

    Please give a breakdown with sources of all those” hundreds of millions” that the USSR slaughtered.

    The US DID take over the Western Europe (now the EU), and now it has taken over the Eastern Europe with its NATO proxies after the Soviet Union left it thinking that this would ensure its peaceful coexistence with the US and Europe.

    If you look at the map, it becomes clear that both Russia and China are being encircled with the US or NATO military bases.

    The only reason for this, in my opinion, is that the West led by the US is planning another Blitzkrieg to occupy “Eurasia”, and this is why Russia is getting hysterical and demanding security guarantees from the US and NATO.

  31. US/NATO overthrew Gadhafi, Mubarak, Hussein in Iraq, the previous regime in Ukraine, Milosevic in Serbia and tried to overthrow Assad in Syria. God knows who else..

    Given what’s been happening in the US for the last 5 years with all the hoaxes, corruption and fraudulent elections, the US no longer can be seen in a positive light.. Who are they to criticize anyone…

  32. Sources: Experts have informed the US administration that #??? will not be able to suffice Europe’s gas needs in the event that Russian gas is cut off from it due to NATO’s escalation in Ukraine, “and even if Qatar supplies gas to Europe, this will result in a shortage of gas supplies to China and East Asia, and it will produce Unprecedented economic and political chaos

  33. @Laura

    The Soviets absolutely slaughtered hundreds of millions, including its own.

    The Soviet Union had ~290 million people (its largest population) in 1992.

    Please give a breakdown with sources of all those” hundreds of millions” that the USSR slaughtered.

    The US DID take over the Western Europe (now the EU), and now it has taken over the Eastern Europe with its NATO proxies after the Soviet Union left it thinking that this would ensure its peaceful coexistence with the US and Europe.

    If you look at the map, it becomes clear that both Russia and China are being encircled with the US or NATO military bases.

    The only reason for this, in my opinion, is that the West led by the US is planning another Blitzkrieg to occupy “Eurasia”, and this is why Russia is getting hysterical and demanding security guarantees from the US and NATO.

    The USSR lost 27 million people (almost 50% of the total deaths) in WWII solely because of the war and the German occupation and Russia certainly doesn’t want another war.

    Russia is a huge country and it has enough problems taking care of what it has without needing more.

  34. Isn’t Candace Owens the black conservative commentator? Or have I confused her with someone else?

    Laura is basically correct about the Soviet union have slaughtered large numbers of people, although responsible historians estimate the total number of murders during the 1918-1953 period at tens of millions, not hundreds of millions.

    I don’t know why Reader is such a Russian groupie.

    Most of their rulers have been ruthless warlords,beginning.Rurik in 860 C.E., and continuing through Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and now Putin.

    Russia has always been an autocratic empire with expansionist tendencies. This goes all the way back to the the early period of Rurikid Novgorod and Kiev c. 860 BC. Eventually the Rus lost Ukraine for a time, but they kept Novgorod and nearby Vladimir, both near modern St. Petersburg. Later they founded Moscow.

    Ivan the Terrible, in the 16th century. was one of the cruelist and most ruthless rulerss of Russia. He murdered tens of thousands of his own subjects, including as many of six of his wives and his eldest son. He began Russia’s expansion east of the Urals.

    Peter the Great was equally cruel and ruthless, causing th death of tens of thousand of forced laborers whom he used to build his new capital of St. Petersburg. It remain Russia’s second largest city today.

    Putin’s “conservatism,” his mursers of hundreds of his critics and expansionist ambitions, is very much in this Russian imperial tradition.

  35. In light of Biden’s weak, feeble posture on the global stage and his humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan, it is completely preposterous to claim that Putin is responding to supposed American aggression. If anything, Putin’s moves prove that weakness invites aggression as we’ve seen over and over again, but never seem to learn from history. Candice Owens is stupid and illogical as is the entire isolationist wing of the conservative movement. They are apologists for Putin and Russia, no better than the left was during the cold war. Right now, from a foreign policy perspective, there is no daylight between the left and right. They both blame America first and apologize for our enemies.

  36. All complete and utter bullshit. The Soviets absolutely slaughtered hundreds of millions, including its own.

    As to not wanting Russian missiles in Mexico, there’s no equivalence. NATO is defensive in nature, the Russians always have been the aggressors. We did not grab western Europe after WW2, the Soviets took eastern Europe. There’s no double standard because there was no moral equivalence. Like I said, I don’t know what’s happened to the conservative movement which is now retroactively defending the communist Soviet Union.

    @Laura

    The Soviet “empire” has never “slaughtered hundreds of millions”.

    The republics which became independent in the 90s are doing much worse than in the Soviet times, and some are even dying out such as Lithuania (lost a million of mostly young people who left to work in the EU and the US and are not coming back, the birth rate is down, the suicide rate is the highest in Europe, etc.)

    Ukraine is nothing without Russia, and it has always been this way, the West is using it as a battering ram against Russia.

    The Eastern Bloc came under the Soviet domination after WWII when the Soviet Army went through the Eastern Europe while kicking the German army back into Germany (they lost 600,000 soldiers alone just liberating Poland from the Germans).

    The fact is that the FSU got out of Europe in the 90s but the NATO took over the countries which the FSU left and came to actually surround Russia with the WMD.

    You wouldn’t like to have a few Russian military bases in Mexico, would you?

    The why the double standard?

  37. @Laura

    The Soviet “empire” has never “slaughtered hundreds of millions”.

    The republics which became independent in the 90s are doing much worse than in the Soviet times, and some are even dying out such as Lithuania (lost a million of mostly young people who left to work in the EU and the US and are not coming back, the birth rate is down, the suicide rate is the highest in Europe, etc.)

    Ukraine is nothing without Russia, and it has always been this way, the West is using it as a battering ram against Russia.

    The Eastern Bloc came under the Soviet domination after WWII when the Soviet Army went through the Eastern Europe while kicking the German army back into Germany (they lost 600,000 soldiers just liberating Poland from the Germans).

    The fact is that the FSU got out of Europe in the 90s but the NATO took over the countries which the FSU left and came to actually surround Russia with the WMD.

    You wouldn’t like it if Russia installed a few military bases in Mexico, would you?

    Then why the double standard?

  38. President of Russia? Sorry to tell her but they don’t like black people.

    It’s one thing to oppose our involvement, its quite another to claim we’re the aggressors and have been been since WW2 no less. She’s actually defending what was the Soviet Union and its aggression, an empire which slaughtered hundreds of millions. It is simply shocking that this would come from someone claiming to be conservative. She’s a sick person. Is the conservative movement becoming as unhinged as the left under Trump. The irony is that Russia is behaving this way not because of our alleged “aggression”, but actually because of Biden’s weakness. We surrendered Afghanistan in a humiliating manner, some aggressor we are. People making these arguments aren’t just unhinged, they are STUPID and ILLOGICAL.

    She must be running for President at some time in the future.

  39. What a total bitch candace owens is. Tell that to the people of eastern Europe who were enslaved under the communist Soviets. What has become of the conservative movement in America, cheering on Soviet Russia while denegrating America as the aggressors. We relinquished territory won in wars. What she’s spewing could have come from the mouths of every marxist professor during the cold war. The modern conservative movement has literally morphed into the blame America first, hate America left. Putin is laughing at these new useful idiots and Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave. I despise the anti-Semite Candace owens.

    Candace argues that the US and NATO are the aggressors and have been since WWII