Both Yaalon and Gantz have come out this week in support of Israel’s conduct both during and after Operation Protective Edge.Israel has decided that
1.) the Palestinians will only get the autonomy they have now even under negotiations for a two-state solution.
2.) Israel will facilitate greater mobility and economic progress for both Gaza and Judea and Samaria and
3.) Israel will support the Free Syrian Army in the Golan on condition that they keep the extremists out.
4.) Maintain the defacto freeze of construction east of greenline. This may be breached next year to prevent the government from falling.Ted Belman
Ask Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon about the external challenges that Israel confronts and his reply will always be reasoned and sober.
Ya’alon will try to place the severity of the threat in the proper perspective and even to play it down. If his strong pessimism is translated into a tough, hawkish stance regarding the diplomatic process with the Palestinians, when it comes to exercising military force the defense minister is a very cautious man.
That approach was evident throughout last summer’s war in the Gaza Strip and was reflected in a conversation this week with Haaretz. His implied message is that that’s how it has always been and probably will remain: Israel, according to Ya’alon, is stuck in a hostile neighborhood and must maneuver within it, exercising toughness as well as caution. There is no reason to get upset.
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After seven weeks of a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip, the most recent security incidents actually took place in the north – the downing of a Syrian warplane that crossed the border on the Golan Heights and the wounding of two IDF soldiers when bombs laid by Hezbollah on Har Dov exploded.
Ya’alon admits that “it’s possible that Hezbollah has accumulated more self-confidence than we thought.” He says the organization is trying to maintain a new balance of deterrence on both the Lebanese and the Syrian borders, by reacting with attacks against Israeli territory for every military move that it attributes to Israel in Lebanon.
“There is a reversal here,” Ya’alon says. “Once, the Syrian regime used to activate Hezbollah to strike at us in south Lebanon, without our being able to blame the regime for direct responsibility. Now, Hezbollah is operating the same way on the Golan Heights.” Israel attributes several of the incidents of the past year in the Golan – involving bombs and rockets – to the militias connected to the Bashar Assad regime in Syria but operating under the inspiration of Hezbollah and Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.
Ya’alon confirms that Hezbollah’s most recent attack was ambitious, but he rejects the possibility that Israeli intelligence is playing down the intentions of the organization, which seems to have been prepared to risk an escalation had it succeeded in its plan to kill a large number of soldiers by detonating the bombs.
He says that Hezbollah is sending its fighters to Iraq and Syria against its will, under orders from Iran. The Shi’ite organization is also mired in an internal war against extremist Sunni factions in the Lebanese Bekaa. It has additional problems, aside from the tension with Israel. “The incidents with us don’t prove that Hezbollah is planning an escalation,” Ya’alon says. “We reacted forcefully. Let Hezbollah decide whether it’s worth its while to escalate.”
The battles in Lebanon erupted as a consequence of the civil war in the country that used to be called Syria. President Bashar Assad, says Ya’alon, now controls only 25 percent of the area of the country.
“It’s not Syria, its Alawistan [referring to Assad’s ruling Alawite sect] – the coastal cities in the north of the country and a corridor connecting them up to Damascus,” Ya’alon says. “The rebels are already doing away with his control on the border with us on the Golan. The east of the country is controlled by [Islamic State], and in the northeast the Kurds have autonomy.”
The entry into the Golan of extremist Sunni organizations identified with Al-Qaida, such as Jabhat al Nusra, worries him, but here, too, he has the impression that at present the situation is under control.
“Of course there’s instability there,” Ya’alon says. “But the area adjacent to the border is under the control of more moderate militias, such as the Free Syrian Army. It’s no secret that they benefit from the humanitarian assistance that we provide to the residents of the villages in the area: medical care in our hospitals, food for infants, equipment and blankets in the winter. That happens on condition that they don’t allow the more extremist organizations to reach the border.”
What did Hezbollah and the other organizations learn from the war in Gaza?
“First of all, that the ‘spider web’ issue is no longer valid,” Ya’alon says, referring to a speech delivered by Hezbollah secretary-general Hassan Nasrallah in May 2000 in Bint Jbeil, Lebanon, two days after the IDF withdrew from South Lebanon. Nasrallah claimed at the time that Israeli society “is weaker than a spider web.” The defense minister says that the speech summed up the 1990s, but things have changed. “Before Operation Defensive Shield in 2002 and followed by the campaigns in Gaza and finally Operation Protective Edge, there’s a different attitude and different determination.”
He isn’t happy about the fact that the battle lasted 50 days. But Ya’alon says the Arabs learned that Israel, as opposed to some of their theories, is also capable of withstanding attrition. Its spirit doesn’t break and its economy doesn’t crash. It defends itself and exacts a heavy price from its rivals.
At a conference in Cairo early this week, donor countries promised $5.5 billion to rehabilitate Gaza. Ya’alon is not convinced that the indirect contacts with Hamas will end with a more detailed cease-fire agreement. As far as Israel is considered, the principles already formulated in the limited agreement at the end of August are sufficient, in addition to the agreement it reached with the United Nations and the Palestinian Authority regarding the entry of goods and money to the Gaza Strip under tight international supervision.
In his opinion the heart of the matter is the diplomatic-security coordination with Egypt, which already enables significant limits on Hamas’s efforts to rearm. “In the past year not a single rocket has been transferred from Sinai to Gaza because Egypt has started to operate effectively,” he says. “Both we and Egypt stopped the transfers of cement to the Strip, long before the fighting, because we realized that the cement is used for digging Hamas’s tunnels.”
The new arrangements, he says, “will allow the Gazans to live. The transfer of money and the means for rehabilitation are already beginning. But a seaport, an airport – those are pipedreams. We can discuss it in Cairo, but even Hamas understands that these things are not on our agenda or that of the PA or Egypt.”
Lazy and galloping horses
But during the war in Gaza he was more concerned about the problems at home – mainly what he sees as a lack of responsibility on the part of cabinet members. “A certain minister (Bennett) received a report from the field and said that there was a brigade (Givati) that had developed a method of dealing with the tunnels, but we weren’t letting them do so,” Ya’alon says.
“I suggest that ministers take into account broader considerations such as the dialogue with the U.S. administration, the United Nations. After all, we didn’t start this operation as we did in the Second Lebanon War. We knew what we wanted to achieve. There are considerations that go beyond the fact that you have a force that is ready for action.
“There’s no shortage of threats. When you establish deterrence, you can’t attack everything just because the enemy has tactical capability. There are 100,000 Hezbollah rockets directed at us. So are we going into Lebanon now to deal with them?” (It’s possible that this last example does not do much of a service to Ya’alon; after the Second Lebanon War people came to him, as former chief of staff, with complaints about his claim that we should let the rockets rust.)
Bennett claimed that his direct connection with field commanders afforded him another point of view, as a cabinet member, of the crucial decisions and helped him to spur the defense minister and Chief of Staff Benny Gantz into action. Ya’alon rejected this explanation out of hand: “That’s unacceptable. Is it legitimate for a politician to form direct ties with army officers, and based on that try to manipulate the chief of staff in the cabinet and say that he’s a lazy horse compared to the galloping horses, the officers in the field?
“I received no request from him to visit the area during the fighting. Other ministers asked to visit the units and did so, with my permission. A politician sits there and brags that officers phone him. That’s anarchy, not democracy. I was sorry to see that the former chief of the Shin Bet security service (Yuval Diskin) supports his position. How would he feel if an MK were to speak with his coordinators and make manipulative use of what he heard from them? That’s why the prime minister and I came out against that.”
Ya’alon refuses to share the credit with Bennett for approving the operation against the tunnels. “Who’s responsible for the army’s fighting spirit? The chief of staff or some political party?” he asks.
“These are political considerations. I have been in [security] cabinets in the past 20 years, since being appointed the head of Military Intelligence. In the previous government the group of eight of which I was a member discussed issues of major importance. There were serious, sometimes stormy debates, but nothing left that forum. Even if you voted against a decision, you are responsible as a member of the forum not to come out against it in public, during wartime.”
Under the aegis of the holidays the prime minister solved the budget crises, at least temporarily, when he decided on an increase of about 14 billion shekels in the defense budget in the course of a year and a half, in the wake of the war in Gaza.
Ya’alon is still not satisfied. “I’m conducting a battle with the treasury, which thinks that we don’t need money for defense,” he says. “The prime minister promised during the discussion that the decision about the budget increase for defense does not include extra-budgetary issues, such as transferring the IDF to the Negev and the activity of the Mine Clearance Authority. That’s why I voted in favor.
“Now the treasury comes and claims: It’s all inclusive. I assume that there will be additional debates in the course of the coming year. At least they (the treasury) have stopped attacking us about pensions because they understood that it’s unacceptable. These are employees’ prerogatives. The chief of staff and I said: We agree to let you take away from high earners, and first of all from us. We also said that we would be first, but not alone. Can they carry out such a step? The High Court of Justice, the Histadrut labor federation, won’t let us.”
At the end of the summer Ya’alon promised that “after the holidays” he would deal with the appointment of the next chief of staff, who is supposed to succeed Gantz in mid-February. The date is almost here and Ya’alon says he will keep his word.
After Sukkot he will begin to consult with former defense ministers and chiefs of staff and will invite several candidates. The almost-certain candidate for the job, although Ya’alon is not willing to discuss it at all, is the present deputy chief of staff, Maj. Gen. Gadi Eisenkot.
The defense minister promised “a transparent, full process, with all the required consultations. We will carry out all the required preliminary examinations and bring the best candidate to the government around November.” or Egypt.”
@ b-e-r-n-a-r-d-r-o-s-s:
Now THAT little catch-all is what’s truly known as PSYCHOBABBLE.
“Celibacy”? — when have I ever claimed to be “celibate”??? What I’ve SAID is that you won’t die without sex. That’s a far cry from a declaration of ‘celibacy.’
— If you think I’ve claimed celibacy, produce the post please.
ROFLMAO. I am probably the one regularly posting male on this site these days who doesn’t, when you get right down to it, view women as sheer pussy.
You bet they do. But it’s plain to see that you haven’t a clue as to what they mean.
You were put here for a reason, a purpose. You will never find out what that is as long as your mind is on your shlang. The world is a classroom, not a playground — and recess has been over for quite a long time already..
@ b-e-r-n-a-r-d-r-o-s-s:
It’s clear from your remark that you still haven’t looked up the word, “irony,” or you’d know why there was no PLACE for argument as you posted.
My remark that you referenced was offered tongue-in-cheek (maybe you should look that up too) — but you took it strictly seriously because you assumed that it would afford you yet another opportunity for a smear
— thereby showing your true colors.
Which made the “reams of insults” VERY much in order; they couldn’t have landed, indeed, on a more deserving individual.
There’s never been anything to ‘avoid.’ Neither Yamit nor yourself have YET demonstrated anything remotely approaching ‘deception’ in any piece of writing attributed to Paul. (Of course, unlike PresentCompany, at least yamit reads NT; doesn’t understand a word of it, but he reads it. You, OTOH, haven’t even done THAT.)
Repeat: With YOU there is never any ‘simply’ or ‘merely.’ Nobody’s fooled, clown; the mask has been off for quite some time now — and the underlying visage is some piece of work.
Don’t give me that shit. What you ‘simply’ did was reach for the opportunity to smear — nuzzled it, sniffed it, licked it & gummed it like a newborn puppy finding his way to a nipple. You are such a reprehensible putz.
Peeing on your leg, shlemiel (which richly deserved it). That warm, wet feeling seeping into your shoe is no late-summer shower.
Spent all the time necessary to show it was totally out of place, because it was non-responsive to its referenced post, which post had clearly been offered ironically — straight from the get-go. You couldn’t see that (and evidently STILL can’t) because you’d been intent on finding an opportunity for a smear, and therefore missed the point and the joke.
— I didn’t mind your missing the irony or the humor. But the gratuitous smear I will not ignore.
What it goes to show is that hell-bent maliciousness (which characterizes you to a “T”) has a way of dulling the wit and making one dense — which explains why lately you are afflicted with tunnel-vision. You seem to have all the brains of a dime-store dildo (and less of the utility).
dweller Said:
No not abuse she’s used to it. She expects it based on her (like you flaunting her ) religious jeeezus convictions. She knew very well my strong opposition to her beliefs and to keep peace and friendship I ceased discussing religion with her….She has many personal problems and we spoke mostly about those. She has several beautiful thoroughbred horses and we spoke much about them and the foxes eating her ducks. She did engender some abuse as you call it not so much for her jeeezus beliefs but because she is a total paranoiac and is into every conceivable conspiracy theory you can imagine some really far out beyond rationality.
While putting down a christian missionary on this site she suddenly after all that time decided that my anti christianity polemics were too much for her and her innate Jew hatred came gushing out in a torrent. I never replied to her after that of till now mentioned her name. She sent me stuff to read or post after I closed our contact but I never responded.
Each of us has our own red lines. Maybe you don’t because you have no real moral compass… except what the liar dwarf paul teaches which you seem to follow to the letter
I would never break such a confidence and you know that’s why you feel secure that I won’t. Doesn’t matter i think there is enough in the archives if they still exist. When I have time and the inclination I’ll search.
Catarin other than Peskin may have been a real person but then how can YOU KNOW for certain???? How do you know the shut in story to be true. You lie why not her?
If I recall I think I was very patient and courteous to her and Hymies portrayal of her…..
ShyGuy less so and maybe others but I memory serves you was a Liberal through and through and that’s waving a red flag with many on this site. Even as I recall Yourself aka “Yours Truly” I think AH fit more!! Just one Man’s opinion.
Peskin and Catarin are two different individuals. Peskin did masquerade as Catarin at one point; he masqueraded as LOTS of people. </blockquote
Huh??? Maybe yes and maybe not. Either way you bought into Hymies' version hook line and sinker. Stupid!!!!! or just childishly naive????
Another lie you stood up for Hymie and I cannot recal a single instance you sided with those who wanted him banned.
You are a terrible liar and I have an excellent memory especially when it comes to you and hymie…:P Yes you jeezus sense of compassion would require you to have hymie return and besides you got on so well for a long time…. Birds of a deather??? 2 peas in a pod????
Fatal attraction syndrome maybe????
Now I remember. I was not involved in those comments and came back at the tail end of her appearance on Israpundit and I don’t think I wrote more than one comment that did not directly name her or was addressed to her either. She lasted what a week 2 weeks??? I don’t think you were much involved with her either I can’t recall any of you comments.
A Self described Jewish apostate aka APIKOROS, defending a Muslim apologist on a Jewish site….You expected differently??? Schmuck!!!!!!
Wrong her political positions were quite in line with most reading and commenting here…. She just couldn’t contro; her jeezus references in her comments and each time she was apprised of the fact that it’s frowned upon here. When told to decist by Ted she did for a short time and then injectred jeeezus through innuendos and back door inferences in her quotes. I caught some and let her have it with both barrels and she left…. I do claim with pride some responsibility for that . Except for you and your broken heart no one seemed to be sorry or miss her absence. I enjoyed having you correct her beliefs in jeeezus and I don’t think she took your criticism well and even resented it as most do.
Religious fanaticism, arrogance and pomposity are not endearing qualities for most normal people, only masochists would willingly endure your constant corrections and abridgements of everything they write and think.
nobody pressured any of them to leave… You a prime example that there is no pressure…..They left because they left as many many others have done each for their own reasons
You are a liar and a misreader of fact and truth….you project your own corrupted understanding or people and their nature onto other….It’s you who seems to be paranoid and schizophrenic none other…….
In christianity do the mentally ill go to hell???? ;
@ honeybee:
Not relevant unless you can show that your above remark wasn’t self-flattery.
And that won’t happen at least until you can show that mine was truly about “jealousy.”
Rotsa ruck.
@ yamit82:
She disagreed with a lot of opinions of bloggers on this site. But that was not what drove her from it. What drove her from the site was abuse (her word) — and it wasn’t from YoursTruly. . . .
By all means, absolutely.
— As a matter of courtesy, however, do get her permission first. Emails are exchanged in confidence.
Wrong, dead wrong. Catarin was nobody but herself. Her health made her a shut-in, who was consequently dependent on the media ( esp MSM) for her knowledge of the world, and sometimes she was given to naivete, fantisizing & hostility — but she was a real person, not just one of Peskin’s ‘personae.’
You’re so fullovit, it’s seeping from your pores.
Peskin and Catarin are two different individuals. Peskin did masquerade as Catarin at one point; he masqueraded as LOTS of people. That’s why he had to go. He masqueraded as Laura, as you, as Shy, etc. His computer skills somehow made it possible for him to pull off that stunt with some regularity, and it was intolerable.
He was making it impossible for us to communicate with any certainty with each other, and would not desist when called on it. It was because he wouldn’t quit that game that I supported his removal. (He was, in fact, the ONLY person whose removal I have have EVER supported, and if he’d jettison that kind of behavior for good, I’d personally have no problem having him back.)
Horse pucky. Peskin was never at all ‘condescending’ toward me. He knew I bore him no grudge, and treated him w/o the judgmental hatred that you, Shy & a few others did. He never felt threatened by me — and our exchanges, the few there were, were mutually courteous. That’s not condescension.
But he wouldn’t quit his recurrent masquerade game, and that posed a clear threat to the site (probably the worst threat before the hacking operation of last summer, IMABHO).
Again, however, Catarin was Catarin, and she was constantly being pressured to leave because of her ignorance & naivete.
No. It IS a mistake to “inhale” it, true enough.
— But it’s NOT ‘all right,’ because whether successful or not, it still bespeaks dishonesty in the flatterer.
(Still, it’s not relevant to this exchange, and like your final few comments & quotes, it’s a distraction here. Back on-point:)
Hardly. She was Muslim, very articulate — often well-informed (from within her own P-O-V), but quite doctrinaire. Dunno what country she came from. She came under considerable pressure to leave, mostly from guys (yes, guys) who couldn’t hold their mud against her & would become discourteous toward her when she blew them away in debate. I suspect that Ted was urged to remove her, but whether he WAS (and if so, whether he DID) is sheer speculation on my part. In any event, she left under pressure.
Her ability to stand up to debate had NOTHING to do with her leaving. She was subjected to personal abuse HEAPED on her merely because of her position.
“Support”? — what ‘support’? I never offer support.
Told you before — just as I don’t pile-on, I don’t coddle anybody either.
I welcome everybody here, but I expect each poster to stand on his or her own two feet, and hold his own online.
Bottom line here is that every one of those women was pressured to leave — by PresentCompany and/or his associates — that’s why they’re gone.
— and those four were just a few from off the top of my head. The list doesn’t end with them. . . .
@ yamit82:
There’s no flaunting involved, objectively speaking. ‘Flaunting my positive attributes’ is simply your way of characterizing my defense against your (and your cohort’s) assaults. If you don’t like my defenses, then back off & they won’t be a problem to you. Otherwise expect more of the same.
You need to believe that. But you are in no position to make the claim. All we know of a certainty is that you speak for yourself and a few hangers-on who, for reasons of their own, need you to know that they’re in your corner. Beyond that, your assertion has all the force of old, stale flatulence in a room whose windows haven’t been opened in a long time.
In any case, however, whether someone is or isn’t alone in his “self described and subjective opinions of [him]self” has, of itself, no bearing on whether the mere expression of the opinion constituted “flaunting” — let alone, “self-flattery.” Those things depend on objectivity, a quality that you can’t conceive of in an individual.
There are, of course, many people who fear the kind of opprobrium that can come of stating such a self-opinion without substantial external support (you, for example, are obviously one them) — so they withhold such remarks and instead parade a false ‘humility’ in its place (camouflage).
But such persons — who, like cows, seek security in the middle of the herd — are better known as cowards. (That’s where we get the word.)
“Not sure If I really accept this mystical outlook but I’ve seen many gentiles with an unnatural desire to become Jews.”
I hear you, Yamit. I cannot stand these types who pretend to be Jewish. Many Noachides (the Noachides I have nothing to do with as I never see them on the street with my Jewish friends!) spend more obtruding into Jewish halacha then they do with just being Noachides. I don’t know how many times on the discussion pages (which I do not participate in anymore) they use over and over Yiddish and Hebrew words which any ordinary gentile–gentiles coming out of Christianity (who really need to hear about basic Noachism)–would have no idea what they mean (its’s been so many years that I no longer know what they mean). I’ve told so many of them to stop pretending to be Jewish and live a gentile. My favourite line is (if I haven’t used it here already), “Better a real Gentile than a fake Jew.”
Many of these Gentiles have never met or mingled with Jews, Yamit. They have no clue about living as a Jew. Hey, I have lots of Jewish friends and I refuse to even imagine what it’s like to live as a Jew. I try always to empathize with the Jewish people, but I refuse even the slightest suggestion that I can identify entirely with the Jewish identity. I’ve never been there, so how could I know? But I’ve felt antisemitism up close, real close. So that much I can identify with. That’s my duty as a good goy.
I couldn’t sleep last night thinking of this possibility that may have been born Jewish. Maybe a couple of hours. A Jewish friend already told me to get it together and find out for sure, that I might have a lot of catching up to do, as in mitzvahs. I replied that I can barely pay my rent on time, get my wood up in time, let alone spend time and money on a genealogy search. If HaShem wants me down this road further, I’m sure HE will find a way to kick my ass. It will probably be a Jewish boot that kicks me in the ass. Suddenly I thought today if this was during the Holocaust, I would have to hide the fact that my grandmother’s maiden name even sounds like it’s Jewish (even if it turns out that she was not Jewish). I would have been rounded up and sent to the camps. I was astounded at the weight of this thought. And I’m not saying I’m Jewish here, Yamit, but it helped me imagine the weight of this reality you speak of above. And then I thought of my children and the danger to them. And I thought I was up close and personal with the dangerous reality faced by the Jews every day: suddenly it becomes SO much more real if for even a second I imagine myself as being Jewish in this real world.
My sister told me today that she found an old document after my mother died which told that the man who my grandfather bought all our land from way back in the 1800s was Jewish. Might not have meant much before this, but now we were talking and wondering if there was a Jewish connection between my grandfather and grandmother and this Jewish guy they bought land from. Who knows? Also we remembered our grandmother’s family tree she kept away from us all, and when we looked at it after she died, there were names all blacked out. Were these Jewish names? Was she afraid of exposing her Jewish identity? There is a whole new perspective on all these little mysteries now that we have this new information. How to put it all together. And everyone’s back ground is traceable except my grandmother’s on my mother’s side. It goes back to her parents (her father was named Jacob and her mother was named Rebecca) and after that there is nothing. No records to be found anywhere. Unless my cousin can come up with something.
I still can’t believe this is happening. It’s blowing my mind. Even so, I’m sticking with the Seven right now, Yamit. If I find out for sure that I’m Jewish by birth, then I’ll go from there. I’ll worry about that matter when and if it comes up. Sorry, I’m blathering.
@ yamit82:
The tone IS the baggage. You aren’t just asking questions; you’re trying to dishearten him, and I don’t think he needs any more of that.
I am INDEED predictable, you betcha. But if you truly know my MO, then you know that I treat everybody I encounter for the first time (w/o exception, and man OR woman) with courtesy — as I did PresentCompany way back when — right up until the moment where they make it clear to me that courtesy is not appropriate for them. Then I govern myself accordingly.
But “chasing after anyone”??? — show me the post[s] please; produce the evidence.
What’s more, I’ve defended LOTS of people on this site (including many I’d previously disagreed with
vehemently over all sorts of things), and it didn’t have a damned thing to do with their attitude toward me in any way, shape, or manner. When I’ve defended YOU in the past (yes, Ladies & Gentlemen, it’s been known to
happen per occasion), was I ‘chasing after’ you???
No friends from whom I would accept such things.
But it seems that my lack of a working computer is more of a problem to YOU than to me. Scarcely a day goes by that you don’t mention it on one thread or another. I can live with the fact, yet you cannot.
Fancy that. . . .
@ yamit82:
My description of a rapist’s motivation (viz., power more than pleasure) is a commonly understood one these days. The feminists have sworn by it for a few decades now. (Not that that’s a reason for adopting a view; I just happen to agree with them on that one position, and it’s well-established.)
Of course you will. . . .
Beyond the constant hope of a free-&-friendly shtup?
— Emotional support. You need their support, and you’ll put on the kid gloves (w/ them) to get it. You’ll finesse them. It used to be called “humoring your women” (altho the word had nothing to do with humor when used that way; it just meant “shining ’em on”).
Ooh, sounds like ‘psychobabble’. . . .
LMSS! Let’s put it this way, Yamit:
If you’ve really never heard the word applied to you, that’s because those who meant to communicate the ideas attached to the term had themselves simply never heard the actual word before. (You haven’t lived stateside since, what, 1967?) But they might well have called you a “chauvinist,” or a “male chauvinist,” or a “male chauvinist pig,” or any of the variations on that theme.
I just call you a USER of women, and leave it at that. But I stand by it 100 percent.
@ yamit82:
This is just your back-handed (albeit inadvertent) way of admitting that you have a guilty conscience.
All-the-same, though, it really IS true that I rarely spend time on your HB exchanges. The parties to these things often overreact to being called on it, but not because their exchanges are specially juicy or lurid. What they never realize (till later if at all) is that to third parties they’re actually quite boring.
Not those of us who mess with married women. Nothing at all ‘adult’ about that — except in the sense that it adulterates a committed relationship. Perhaps that’s why it’s called adultery?
As I recall, married women are still women — so I guess how you relate to them (to say nothing of their husbands) is likewise everybody’s business.
But we’ve already established that you don’t listen to haRuach, so there must be another explanation. I think it’s simply wishful thinking on your part. That is by FAR the most logical explanation for your ‘belief’ about me. It would be SUCH a relief to you to be able to believe I was ‘homosexual.’ You could explain away so many things that way.
There are very few women who post regularly here. There would be more, but PresentCompany (and NOT YoursTruly) has driven them away. Of those who remain, I treat them the same as I do the men — altho I’m usually tougher on the men (force of habit, I think).
That is manifestly untrue. If it were so, then they wouldn’t be around for me to ‘bully.’ [Du-uh!] What’s more, if I DID prefer “those who can’t or won’t fight back,” then I wouldn’t be spending so much time dealing with those who DO fight back. (You’re batting 0.000 today, y’know.)
This is pure and (you’ll excuse the expression) unadulterated projection.
If that were true, why would I frequent a website, like this one, which has so few women posters on it? (Or were you about to make the announcement that you’ve actually been a woman all this time?)
@ honeybee:
His do, like shot from a shot gun in all directions.
No mean feat!!! He has years and years of experience I’m sure. Perfected the art.
honeybee Said:
No price I wouldn’t pay.
yamit82 Said:
That malevolent brain of mine is the nobody wants to buy me!!!!!!!!!! Goodnight,Sugar. I kept thinking is I don’t late you will retire and get your rest, but you don’t!!! I give up!!!
@ honeybee:
What you can accomplish with three wee words and a visual aid. Kudos!!!
dweller Said:
Changed my mind and read your comment. Add an hour to my commnets time because my computer clock is not adjusted for standard time and is still on daylight savings.
If I comment and post late into the early hours it’s usually because I interact with HB and she inspires me even at such a late hour. You don’t inspire me even very early in the day and to comport with you is an effort in agility and stamina.
Agility because you resurrect comments and threads long since forgotten and stamina because you are incessant. Not all of us chose to play unless there is nothing more interesting and we want to amuse ourselves with you…. 😛
yamit82 Said:
They really fly ???????????
@ dweller:
I haven’t even read you comment. Don’t you ever tire of this crap. Nobody really gives a flying turd about you what you think or what you post. You are for me and I believe others a comic diversion from serious issues. Every time I choose to get you to spend so much of your limited time writing and writing and dising and dising lining up your little boxes I just have to push a few buttons and presto dweller jumps through my hoops. Dweller you are tiresome, repetitious and very boring. Your OCD is so classical even textbook that at times I feel pity and am sorry for you….
No one forces you or cares whether you respond to our comments or not. You could have pity on Ted and save valuable bandwidth if you could exercise a bit of self control. Pls don’t reply to this I won’t read it or reply.
dweller Said:
The WE WE WE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJ0L6DftGg
@ yamit82:
The only thing there are many of in the matter are your FANTASIES. You need them so badly, you’ve come to rely on them. You & your tag-teammate, in your ‘knowing,’ remind me of nothing quite so much as the Arab mentality which comes to ‘KNOW’ its own PR fairy tales about itself & its world as if they were fact.
ROFLMFAO. His fantasies are yours — and, truth to tell, are yet more compulsively grasped onto than even you do.
— That‘s your idea of the “we” that ‘KNOW’ this???
Late hour for you? — midnite? You frequently post at 3 or 4 in the morning. What’s ‘late’ about 12 pm?
I certainly DO insist. Go for it.
I know nothing of the sort — but then, unlike yourself & your supporters, I don’t live in fantasy; don’t need it, and don’t indulge it.
You mean the way YOU just weaseled your way out of producing an answer to my challenge, Kemo Sabe?
— Come on, show me the “we” who ‘KNOW’ I’m a ‘fabricator.’
@ honeybee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRtc0XaA5k0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioYAjdDALqk
@ yamit82:
All you had to do was read your own posts from a neutral perspective, no need to blaspheme.
I regarded your questions as quite welcome. When have I quarreled with your questioning him? Again, I ask you to show me the post.
The problem is not the questioning itself. The problem is the baggage; you are trying to discourage him.
Forgot nothing; there was nothing to forget. I did (and do) have a very small income — and did (and still do) have obligations, which have to be paid out of that small income. Both conditions are true, and have both been true since long before I began posting here. That’s why I avoid spending on myself. Nothing’s made up; not a syllable.
Quite so; and why was he suddenly doing that when he’d BEEN posting generally in re his project, off & on, for over three years?
When somebody needs moral support, they rarely ask for it directly, sometimes because they’re too wiped out to even recognize that discouragement is animating them in the first place. But that doesn’t mean you can’t pick up clues to it from the way they do & say things.
I’d ALREADY asked some questions of him in the past. We’d corresponded by email.
You were already pressing him. The questions were relevant; there was no need for me to repeat them. And unlike some parties around here, I’ve never believed in piling on.
Who’s dodging? and I told you [above] that it HAD occurred to me to pursue questions that I’d had. I’ve got emails that go back to 2011.
The one who’s truly dodging is you. I say you’re trying to discourage him — and at a time when he’s evidently coming up empty for ideas
— and so far anyway, you’ve not-very-deftly sidestepped the charge with a diversion consisting essentially of this attack on me.
@ M Devolin:
Test your DNA, a male can have paternal and maternal DNA tested.
@ M Devolin:
I would be the happiest fella on the block and the first to welcome an old new MOT.
Orthodox Jews believe in a Jewish soul, from all that I know of you and your interest and affinity with the Jewish people and Israel you probably do have a Jewish soul fighting to burst out.
Not sure If I really accept this mystical outlook but I’ve seen many gentiles with an unnatural desire to become Jews.
Judaism posits that all righteous people will have a share in the world to come. no need to be Jewish, To be Jewish means you want to join the destiny of the Jewish people, That’s a heavy burden. For gentiles and unnecessary burden.
Caroline Glick & Mark Levin: The Israeli Solution — A One-State Plan for Peace in the Middle East
http://youtu.be/epImuqWBGGg
The One-State Solution is only peace solution that is based on reality. It takes the solution out of the hands of America and Obama and puts it back into our hands, where is belongs and it returns our political power. This is extremely important due to our immediate discussions and decisions we need to make.
The Israeli Solution; A One-State Plan For Peace in the Middle East; eBook ISBN 978-0-385-345804-2
Ezra Levant with Caroline Glick – The Israeli Solution
http://youtu.be/nCDHCNMSOgU
“Flattery is all right so long as you don’t inhale.”
Love it!! Thank, Yamit.
I received a notice yesterday that my late grandmother on my mother’s side had a Jewish surname (Pine). It originates from an Ashkenazi name. There is nothing definite yet, but one of my cousins tried to find background on her and came up empty. We know that her father’s name was Jacob. I contacted this cousin yesterday and she is going to begin a search of Jewish archives for connections. Isn’t this amazing?! What if???!!! I barely slept a wink last night.
Gotta take Dag out be back.
@ honeybee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuAz6DXUopw
yamit82 Said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=814QnE7yhts
bernard ross Said:
Guess nobody told him life begins at 50. I think life ended for dweller at puberty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jV-fnarDho
yamit82 Said:
Looks like your “antennae” are more accurate than his. It’s a war of the antennae! 😛
dweller Said:
YOUR OWN WORDS: seduction, enticement is marketing. Paul engaged in marketing and NOT deception; and yet the definitions show a deceitful connotation to seduction and enticement….still waiting for your rebuttal to your own words.
dweller Said:
Actually, I “got your picture” which appears to describe an excited little puppy.
I find that your own words provide the best demonstration of your MO and as a bonus:
yamit82 Said:
still waiting to see if you can find a splinter of a puppy bone of a rational argument under that mountain of sewage you fabricated to hide the fact THAT YOU NEVER ANSWERED TO THE POST which showed your own words demonstrating that Paul was a seductive, enticing, deceptive marketer……however, I still await a reasoned demonstration if you have one, other than insult.
dweller Said:
actually, I only hear YOU “telling it” which, without evidence, is as credible as your other fabrications.
dweller Said:
Still waiting for those mythical arguments: you used the words seduction and enticement as synonyms for marketing. You use the word marketing to describe Pauls MO which Yamit described as deception. I provided the definitions of seduction, enticement and deception from online dictionaries. The online definitions demonstrated a deceitful connotation to the definitions of seduction and enticement which you substitute for “marketing”. It appears obvious that even your own word usage prove that Pauls seductions, enticements and marketing were deceitful. As of this writing you have not responded to the post but instead are peeing everywhere willy nilly as a red herring. It appears that you have no explanation for your “deliberate and intentional” faux pas, unless you can show otherwise……..still waiting!
dweller Said:
In that case one wonders why you have posted reams of insults but have not yet dealt with the argument I posted which was that you used the words “enticement” and “seduction” as synonyms for “marketing”. “Marketing” is the word you use to avoid Yamits regular accusation that Paul was guilty of “deception”. I simply provided the definitions of the words in bold whereby YOUR OWN WORD USAGE PROVES YAMITS ARGUMENT. Up to now you have spent all your time peeing on the rug like a naughty puppy and not one second in demonstrating that my posting was incorrect. I gave 3rd party online definitions to YOUR WORDS. I did not actually make an argument but let YOUR WORDS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. Of course, you must avoid the truth as it would indicate you made an error, or were deceitful, which is something an OCD like you cannot abide.
dweller Said:
Everyone with a shred of knowledge wrt Psychology and abnormal behaviors is aware that abnormal behaviors are NOT logical; that obsessive and compulsive behaviors are NOT driven by logical reasoning. Hence, your rationalizations for demonstrating that you ARE NOT obsessive compulsive do not demonstrate that fact. Your behavior is clear to all on the site, like the “Emperors New Clothes”, you are the only one who cannot see that you are transparent by your behavior.
Here is one example out of thousands which you have demonstrated here regarding your perspectives on women:
dweller Said:
Too bad your cesspool,Pauline celibacy is incapable of viewing women as anything other than “pussy”. Following is an alternate conclusion for “playing the game”:
dweller Said to Yamit:
your words speak for themselves, however, this is better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtizr2G_7Bk
dweller Said:
” If I am not for my self who will be for me” Hillel
dweller Said:
Teshuvah is a christian religious fanatic who lives in New Zealand. We corresponded for over two years by email. While I didn’t agree with a single thought in her poor head I liked her. She was not very fond of you nor of your opinions. Want me to republish some emails I saved?
Catarin was- “Hymie” playing a role only you bought into the persona because he was condescending towards you. Flattery is all right so long as you don’t inhale.
Suffiyeh Don’t remember, must I’m sure she must have been another christian missionary predator.
Davida: A self described Jewess apostate heretic to the Jewish people, who accepted the cross. She couldn’t stand the heat in the Kitchen and couldn’t defend her adopted beliefs. Your support apparently carried little weight or influence to her leaving especially when Ted forbade her from quoting her jeezus crap on this site. No jeeezus ???….nothing for her to do or say on Israpundit.
Empty vessels make the most sound.
He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
A man is known by the company he keeps.
dweller Said:
Teshuvah is a christian religious fanatic who lives in New Zealand. We corresponded for over two years by email. While I didn’t agree with a single thought in her poor head I liked her. She was not very fond of you nor of your opinions. Want me to republish some emails I saved?
Catarin was- Hymie Peskin playing a role only you bought into the persona because he was condescending towards you. Flattery is all right so long as you don’t inhale.
Suffiyeh Don’t remember, must I’m sure have been another christian missionary predator.
Davida: A self described Jewess apostate heretic to the Jewish people, who accepted the cross. She couldn’t stand the heat in the Kitchen and couldn’t defend her adopted beliefs. Your support apparently carried little weight or influence to her leaving especially when Ted forbade her from quoting her jeezus crap on this site. No jeeezus ???….nothing for her to do or say on Israpundit.
Empty vessels make the most sound.
He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
A man is known by the company he keeps.
dweller Said:
If that be the case you are the most “unseemly” poster on this blog. You never cease in flaunting and reminding all and anyone what you believe are your positive attributes. Unfortunately you are alone in your self described and subjective opinions of yourself.
Most unseemly !!!!!!
dweller Said:
“‘Everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: “Like mother, like “SON”.” (Ezek.)
dweller Said:
Tone? What tone? You read tones real or imagined?
Did your “Ruach Kadosh” tell you about my tones? He’s as fucked in the head as you are if that’s the case.
I asked the subject at least 5 times specifically to detail what was the opposition to his plan in Israel never received a reply.
When he first asked for donations I remarked that I didn’t thin it appropriate to ask for money on this site and that his link back to his site should be sufficient. At the Time Belman did not indicate that he allowed and was supportive. I looked at his site again and found it to be sorely deficient in content to warrant either solicitations or donations and voiced my opinion with direct and specific questions. I also said that if he could supply the answered to my questions substantively I would apologize, if he felt I was being rude. So far NADA!!!!! and no apologies to him, you, or anyone else.
A guy who has a well known award winning journalist listed as a board member and can’t locate him is in my feeble mind suspect since the guys phone number is listed and can be found on line.
That that does not rattle your tiny blob you call a brain speaks volumes about you and not me stupid!!!
dweller Said:
Sensitive?? What the hell does sensitive have to do with the price of chilli? Do you have any idea of how many ideas and projects never get off the ground and this is not the proper forum for testing out the merits of anybody’s pet projects assuming it’s not a scam. I’ve got files and files of projects submitted to me for evaluation and I have associates whose business is to do preliminary feasibility studies if you can first get in the door. i can get in the door but I won’t submit to them any proposal or any project unless I check out thoroughly the authors and the initial backers of said proposal and or project. if a proposal looks like it has merit but is weak on presentation i might invest in making up a professional proposal so it can be reviewed by my associates with embarrassment to the proposer or myself….These people don’t have time to fool around with bullshit.. You do but those with money don’t.
You are nothing but a touchy feely ignoramus who things worm manipulation can substitute for real acumen and discernment..
In the real world you are a loser a real AH schmuck and they would throw you stupid ass out the front door as soon as you opened your mouth. You don’t have a clue and just fake it as you go and try to cover your mistakes by obfuscation and blaming others for your own deficiencies. No wonder you can’t afford a computer, I pad or tablet not even a notebook….. A freeloader a sponge off the public trough. You forgot when challenged over a year or so ago on the same subject that you claimed small income and pension and the recently you made up cockamamie schtick about obligations, Sure right!!!
I think you have a reading comprehension problem: He was expressly soliciting donations by posting on almost every thread for a day or two…. He was ecen pleading iin desperation not a General aside to gain support. other than money he asked for no support, what other support at this stage could he have asked ffor that would have aided his project. He claims Israelis in the business don’t understand their own business but he does? Fine I don’t understand it and I doubt anyone reading his comments and solicitations do either and that includes you. Who the hell are you to claim superior knowledge to evaluate the merits of his project or any other? Your a dunce with a vocabulary nothing more.
So why didn’t you ask my questions or any similar? Why didn’t you press him as I did to be specific and forthcoming after all he approached us and not we him…. You can’t dodge this. If never occurred to you because you are incapable of common sense and basic discernment..
dweller Said:
There are so many but it’s late and I;ll let bernie fill in the blanks because we’ve been over this ground many times and he has them down to memory and I would need to check archives. Not prepared to do so at this late hour for me but if you really insist i will make it a project and blast your sill ass with them with glee…..You know damn well I can do it and will because I love to see you squirm and try to weasel your way out of the webs you create for yourself.
I don’tbelieve it for a nano sec. You are a dirty stinking voyeur.. Get your jollies off on it as well?
dweller Said:
Married single what’s it to you we are all adults and you are not my moral judge or conscience. Worry about your own sick proclivities not others and beside it’s none of your G_D business. How you relate and treat others and especially women is every-bodies business.
My Ruach Hakadosh whispered it to me in my ear. really tuned in lately hmmmmm
The difference is that there is not a women who is a regular poster on this site who has not encountered “The Treatment” You like those who can’t or won’t fight back. You prey on the weak to bolster your ego. You are a VERBAL Rapist of Women Your description of a rapist’s motivation was simply you projecting what motivates you.
I disagree and space does not permit me to show written examples but in Time I will. “advantages” What advantages??? You are very ill
No I Never have been accused or called that You have and not just by me. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
NOBODY has any problem with your questions (least of all, me).
You did object to the questions at least the tone of them. Baggage? Like what? Me? Shit we must suffer you why not suffer me and be still?
Liar you chase after anyone especially a male who show you any deference and non derisively and you coddle and defend them just to keep them on the site . I know your MO better than you by know and you are soooooo predictable!!!!
Must be because I can afford a computer and If I couldn’t I have many who would gladly provide me with one of their workable spare the kept after replacing,
You apparently have NO friends either…. You are one very sick and pathetic specimen of what? There are so many to choose from.
You are
@ yamit82:
What I really think is that slime is as slime does.
— By their fruits you shall know them.
@ honeybee:
Except that it wasn’t on point — and wasn’t actually true either.
In fact, if you re-read the posting sequence carefully, you’ll see the point at which the flow of information really began which surpassed the earlier info — as well as what prompted that flow.
@ honeybee:
Told you already. The questions themselves are no problem. The accompanying (and subsequent) baggage IS.
The comment wasn’t about ‘jealousy.’ Your perception IS distorted and getting worse, and an observer needn’t be ‘jealous’ to see why.
— And as for ‘jealousy,’ don’t flatter yourself, Twinkie; it ill becomes you. (Flattery of other people is dishonest — but flattery of oneself is unseemly.)
Your heart may well be Texas sized, but (with all due respect) what it’s filled with isn’t ‘love.’
— It doesn’t yet know what the word means.
@ bernard ross:
Only in your dreams, bozo.
There are dozens of readers of this blog (on some days, several dozens) other than those who post here. Do they all check in with you?
— What’s more, I strongly suspect that there are even a number of posters here as well who don’t buy into your wishful thinking about me either, but can’t afford to say so.
That maybe what makes YOU fabricate. But unlike you, I use an online handle. No ego value in concocting BS when there’s no real name to attach it to. Nice try, but no cigar.
Why don’t YOU check it there?
— Nothing I know came out of a textbook.
Teshuvah, Catarin, Suffiyeh, Davida, et al.
It’s not a ‘fabrication’ to hear them tell it.
Actually it is YOU who are clueless — and decidedly inexperienced, astonishingly inexperienced — if you honestly believe you were put here to spend the second half of your life hunting pussy.
I spend very little time in the library. Quite a bit LESS than PresentCompany spends online, that’s for damned sure.
@ b-e-r-n-a-r-d-r-o-s-s:
And why would that be, hmmm?
Moreover, it was no faux pas. It was patently quite deliberate. (You seem to own a dictionary; while you’re learning to use it, look up the word irony.)
All that’s been EXPOSED is the crack of my backside; and it was I who offered that as my assessment of the smears in your post. If you wanna take that for ‘anger & frustration,’ be my guest.
Sternlight’s error was not about spelling as such. He had the wrong word altogether. More importantly, however, my correction was sincere (and was taken that way as well). Your remark, OTOH, was not a correction; you were just being your usual a___hole self. No comparison whatsoever (and you show how MUCH of an a___hole you are by suggesting a comparison).
Nothing has ever demonstrated anything so much as resembling ‘deceit’ in Paul. Those who MAKE the claim are malshinim, slanderers.
No excitement here. Next time you come after this dog with your ‘newspaper,’ I’ll simply pee on your leg. Got the picture?
@ b-e-r-n-a-r-d-r-o-s-s:
My comment [#1, prev pg, in reply to Michael] was tongue-in-cheek.
Yours was not.
There is NEVER any ‘merely’ to your smears.
I called you on it.
It was a good call.
I stand by the call.
If you don’t like the call, then shitcan those plays.
Otherwise expect more of the same
— in spades.
NONE of my “arguments or disagreements regarding that post” were “emotional or expressions of anger.” You can call them “emotional or expressions of anger,” if you like. (You can CALL them “spaghetti & meatballs,” if that pulls your chain — but what matters is what they ARE, not what you call them.)
But in any event, it is YOU who were caught — you and nobody but you.
— You just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to take my comment strictly at face value, so you wound up stepping in your own. . . mess. Now you can’t get it off your shoe. Serves you right. The scent cluttering up your nostrils about now is the stink of your own foul intentions.
dweller Said:
Him, me, and ….(wait for it) ..everyone else on the site!
dweller Said:
the “need”, and whats in it for you is ego and OCD check your psych textbook
dweller Said:
See, you keep pissing on the rug begging for the rolled up newspaper.
dweller Said:
any evidence for this unnecessary fabrication?
dweller Said:
“past the playing age”, wow, you really are clueless and inexperienced. You should get out of the library(institution) sometime.
@ yamit82:
Bullshit; your tone has been unmistakable right from the jump.
If you believe that, then you don’t read very carefully; you’re also insensitive & doltishly dense.
— But then, NONE of that is new for you, is it?
YES, HE’S ASKING FOR MONEY GENERALLY, BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT THIS IS WHY HE POSTED. He’s fresh out of ideas and felt like he’d been beating his head against the wall for too long, and was damned-near fresh out of ideas, options, and hopes.
For sure YOU don’t know what I do or don’t know. I made inquiries about (and corrections to) his website) more than three years ago. So don’t give me that shmegegge.
When did I object to that? — show me the post.
“We”? — what you mean “we,” Kemo Sabe?
I know that YOU ‘know’ me to be a ‘fabricator’ — but that’s because it SUITS you to ‘know’ whatever will serve to discredit me for your very troubled ego. But who else besides yourself and the usual tuchas-lachers sniffing around you? I don’t fabricate; don’t need to. There’s nothing in it for me.
I do skip it as a rule — but that doesn’t keep me from getting clues from it as to the reason for the idiocies that frequently dominate her thinking (and yours) in regard to other matters.
Yes, of course: married women of the opposite sex.
Sexual attention??? — now, how would you know whom my sexual attentions are directed to?
(Did I giggle when you kissed me, soldier? — is that how you found me out?)
That could describe my replies to lots of MEN on this site. The women who post as nonsensically here as those men do
— get the same treatment.
The women who don’t post that way DON’T get that treatment from me — but they often get pressured to leave the site by PresentCompany & friends.
Translation: I don’t treat them with kid gloves. I don’t shine ’em on, I don’t finesse them. I’m up-front with them — unlike PresentCompany, who is always angling for advantage.
Pure projection (and nothing but). And I’ve no doubt that you’ve been CALLED that more than once before in your life.
I’ve long suspected that your continuing to play “the game” w/ women when you’re way past the playing age probably has to do with a secret fear that YOU may in fact be queer — and that you don’t know what to make of it. Lately I’m more convinced of that than ever before.
— Word has it that this same bewilderment led to Ernest Hemingway’s suicide.
NOBODY has any problem with your questions (least of all, me).
It’s the baggage that comes WITH your questions that’s objectionable.
Get real, shlemiel! — When have I EVER needed ‘friendly’ correspondents (let alone, support)???
— You mistakenly assume everybody is needy like you.
How nice to know you have so much time on your hands.
The truth is, Yamit, that my kind of guy sees right THRU your kind of guy.
— It’s not difficult; you’re transparent as distilled water.