Abbas can’t make a deal, any deal

By Ted Belman

Caroline Glick makes the case that Israel should let go of Abbas because the status quo is the only thing he will accept. He knows that if he were to agree to a deal, any deal, that the returning refugees would kill him. She continues:

Once Abbas is gone, Israel will have to choose between applying its laws to parts of Judea and Samaria and offering the Palestinians outside those areas a limited form of autonomy, or applying its laws to the entire region, conferring permanent residency status on the Palestinians and offering them the right to apply for Israeli citizenship.

Obviously she isn’t wedded to her own plan. She acknowledges that Israelis will have to decide between Bennett’s plan and hers.

Alarmists argue that without Abbas, Israel will go broke having to finance the Palestinian budget. But this is ridiculous. Once you subtract the hundreds of millions of dollars that go missing every year, and you take into account that Israel managed to govern the areas for 24 years, you realize that this is just one more empty threat – like the demographic threat — made by people who have no political existence without the facade of a peace process.

One less thing to worry about.

May 20, 2014 | 18 Comments »

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  1. Any Palestinian with at least ONE intact brain cell must realize that the “hell” in IL is far better than the “PARADISE & the 72 virgins” offered in any Muslim country. With or without citizenship.

  2. @ Bear Klein:

    Strange how the ONLY state in the entire Middle East that ISN’T an apartheid state is condemned as one? All the others get a free pass and even Western states that practice aparthied themselves condemn Israel as well.

    Do I detect a hint of – I dare say, Antisemitism??????

    Couldn’t be!!!!!!!!

  3. @ Yidvocate: The apartheid issue is a perception issued based on false propaganda.

    I have often debated against people labeling Israel apartheid. On a human level I site the example of my son born in Hadera Hospital bed next right to next 4 or 5 Arab women giving birth in the adjacent beds. The only issue was the Arab women were prone to screaming and that was acceptable to them.

    No apartheid country would go allow that to happen.
    It is hard to argue away a perception when millions of people around the world and countless journalists spread this lie (helped on by fools of people like HaAretz).

    So you have to make sure it is a lie and present the evidence to the contrary.

    The goal of the PLO is to make the world believe Israel is an apartheid country in order to turn even the friends we have against us. Saying the USA is not perfect I do not believe will help in the big picture. Israel must continue to act moral and keep the high road while doing what is needed to secure the future.

    We need to fight the TSS concept and advance a new paradigm. I believe the basis for this should be annexing Area C. I do not believe the Arabs are leaving in large numbers.

    So I think very carefully they should be vetted (over at least a 10 year period(Arabs) before getting to achieve any citizenship). I think offering the possibility for those without security issues, learning Hebrew and taking a loyalty oath is important because (if they are not leaving) fostering a mutually beneficial co-existence is important for stability and peace in the very long run.

    The precedent for this being the Basque in Spain. Might not work but I do not see a realistic alternative. This has worked to some degree with the Israel Arabs. With many co-existence works fine and then their are those who would still destroy Israel if they had a chance. The problem is complex to say the least and no magic pills exist to make it go away in the next 50 years or so.

  4. @ Yidvocate: You are correct. U.S. citizens not residing in one of the 50 States or in the District of Columbia may not vote in Federal elections. If they move to one of the 50 states or D.C. and become residents there, they can then vote because they are citizens.

    Even though you are correct, this does not solve Israels problems would you not agree?

  5. He knows that if he were to agree to a deal, any deal, that the returning refugees would kill him…

    the PA cannot handle millions of returning pals into whatever area they control and remain stable. they also cannot refuse them entry if they become a sovereign state. Hence, too early for them to make a deal for their own reasons which I assume Israelis aware and plays along with. I would not be surprised to learn that all the players know this and have agreed to play out a drama to keep the whiners distracted. I think the pals will ascend to the UN institutions, will be joined by hamas, hamas will be leashed by GCC and by the ICC and will use that leashing as their excuse to not attack Israel. I think the GCC and Jordan will have a role in how things develop in small steps over years but with somthing regularly being given to the street of all constituencies. Rhetoric and faux states are part of the drama.
    I have not heard more about the horizon 2020 which was purported to be an EU leashing of Israel for the EU and pals street. But I wonder if it really had any real negative affect. I am starting to think that the less bite is always accompanied by the more rhetoric. the less real meat served the more drama, rhetoric and faux achievements are given. I have always believed that the prisoner releases were given to allow abbas to enter meaningless talks and leave with nothing but prisoners faux states, and face. it will be interesting to see where the Syria and GCC Iran drama goes as I beleive this has an effect on the GCC role with hamas, PA and Egypt. Up to this time there have been no jihadi attacks on Israel from all those assembled jihadis in syria. I do not believe this is a coincidence but rather has been part of the “regional plan” the GCC mentions.

  6. @ mikewise:

    I understand what you are saying and it won’t go over well with the “international community” as Israel is always held to an impossible standard applied to no other state.

    Your plan has implicite a right of these Arabs to become citizens of the Jewish state that they’ve tried from inception to destroy. It buys into the fictional “indigenous” rights of these Arabs rather confront and dispel this canard once and for all and tell like it is: these Arabs already control 80% of OUR land and if they don’t like living in Israel without citizenship rights, they have where to go.

    It’s the pali-poser narrative that we have bought into inviting global delegitimization upon ourselves that needs to dealt with head on – on an urgent basis!

  7. @ Bear Klein:

    Really? Tell that to the Puerto Ricans! Or the citizens of the U.S. that live in the U.S.Virgin Islands, American Samoe, Guam to name a few. More citizens than the “disenfranchised” Arabs we’re talking about.

  8. @ Ted Belman
    My concern is that if 1/3 of the residents are palestinians they can disrupt Israel in many ways with many demands.
    do you believe this recent poll??!!

    http://www.thetower.org/0352-poll-more-israeli-arabs-dump-palestinian-identity-accept-jewish-state/

    :Poll: More Israeli Arabs Dump Palestinian Identity, Accept Jewish State

    by TheTower.org Staff | 05.19.14 10:42 am

    An Israeli news station has reported this morning on a poll conducted by Professor Sammy Smooha of Haifa University showing that the acceptance of Israel by Israeli Arabs increased markedly between 2012 and 2013.

    Channel 10/Nana reported (Hebrew) that the poll’s surprising results bucked conventional wisdom:

    The research shows that between 2012 and 2013 there was an increase in the percentage of Israeli Arabs recognizing Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state, and Israel’s right to maintain a Jewish majority. Similarly, the percentage of Arabs who define themselves as “Israeli Arabs” without a Palestinian identity has increased.

    Among the specific results reported were that the percentage of Israeli Arabs who accepted Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state rose to 52.8% from 47.4% the year before. There was a more pronounced rise in the percentage of Israeli Arabs who believe that Israel can exist as a Jewish majority state to 43.1% up from 29.6% a year earlier. The number of Israeli-Arabs who accept their identity as such without identifying as Palestinians increased from 32.5% in 2012 to 42.5% in 2013. In 2013, 63.5% of Israeli Arabs consider Israel to be a good place to live up from 58.5% in 2012.

    The poll measuring attitudes in Jewish-Arab relations was conducted by Smooha, who won the Israel Prize for sociology in 2008, among 700 Jews and 700 Arabs, Druze and Bedouin.

  9. @ Ted Belman:
    systematic oppression and domination by one racial group…
    as you know, jews are not a racial group! they come in all shapes, sizes and colors. indeed any moslem arab could convert if we had a normal haredi rabbinate. indeed, genetically, many of the arabs living in judea and samaria were jews forced to convert to islam back in the 7-8th centuries.

    in any event, as permanent residents with full civil and religious rights, it will be hard to justify the jimmy carter “apartheid” argument.

    thus please look for another definition of apartheid.

  10. Wikepedia
    “The crime of Apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”

  11. Withholding citizenship to my mind does not make Israel an apartheid state. It is all about a different set of laws and rights plus restrictions on where you can live.
    My concern is that if 1/3 of the residents are palestinians they can disrupt Israel in many ways with many demands. That’s a problem.

  12. @ Yidvocate:If that means we have to give them citizenship…
    please reread ted’s post: it says

    conferring permanent residency status on the Palestinians and offering them the right to apply for Israeli citizenship.

    the right to apply:
    did you read the application form?
    do you know what the standards are?
    did you know that there is a requirement if you live in Nablus that you must fly an israeli flag over your house for seven years and then be totally familiar with pirkei avot?
    you yidvocate can be the minister of immigration and set the standards.
    every country has its own citizenship requirements.
    no need to be obstructionist.
    LOL.

    go back read and reread the http://www.onestateplan.com from 2003. the wise-glick onestateplan offers permanent residency but then is very circumspect with respect o citizenship strategies.

  13. @ Yidvocate:

    I fail to understand

    Ditto.
    Actually the list of ‘failing to understand’ is long….
    So the world will call Israel an ‘apartheid state’….
    Call whatever you please.
    But the musloids should be kicked out .
    Unceremoniously.
    Enough with this ‘lets pretend’ bs .

  14. I fail to understand why by annexing all of J&S, Israel owes those Arabs citizenship. Moshe Feiglin recently said it best to the effect that what nation would extend citizenship to an enemy population that is at war with it? I would go further and state that there are already 2 pali-poser states in Jordan and Gaza representing more than 80% of the land mass the international community of nations allocated for the Jewish state yet no Jew is allowed to live in either of those two “states”, while we allow Arabs to live in our remnant sliver. If that means we have to give them citizenship, then I say let them go and live in either of their two existing “states” if they are not content to live peacefully as alien residents in Israel. The “apartheid” smear is a pure blood liable! The U.S. and Britain deny voting rights to segments of their citizens are far less compelling circumstances yet no one, no one suggests they are apartheid states and the same goes for a whole host of other countries.