About those Jews…

By Caroline Glick

So it works out that Iran’s vice president really hates Jews. In fact, he hates Jews so much that even The New York Times reported it. On Tuesday, the Times published an account of Iranian Vice President Mohammad-Reza Rahimi’s speech before a UN forum on fighting drug addiction in Tehran.

Rahimi claimed that Jews control the illegal drug trade. We sell drugs, he said, in order to fulfill what he said is a Talmudic writ to “destroy everyone who opposes the Jews.”

He said that our conspiracy is obvious since, he claimed, there are no Jewish drug addicts.

He went so far as to promise to pay anyone who can find a Jewish drug addict.

As he put it, “The Islamic Republic of Iran will pay for anybody who can research and find one single Zionist who is an addict. They do not exist. This is the proof of their involvement in drugs trade.”

Oops, sorry, he doesn’t hate Jews. He hates Zionists.

Some of his best friends are Jews.

At least that is what the Times would have us believe. As reporter Thomas Erdbrink put it, “‘Zionists’ is Iran’s ideological term for Jews who support the state of Israel.”

He also helpfully noted, “More than 25,000 Jews live in Iran, and they are recognized as a religious minority, with a representative in Parliament.”

Aside from that, just so we don’t get the wrong impression about the Iranian government, Erdbrink calmed us down by noting, therapeutically, “Several Iranian ministers gave politically neutral briefings on the impact of the drug trade on the country.”

So aside from the fact that its vice president is a frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Semite, the Iranian regime is perfectly respectable. Nothing to see here folks, move on.

Except, of course, that this is not the case.

Iran’s “Supreme Leader” routinely refers to Israel as a cancer. For instance, in a sermon before thousands of Muslim worshipers in February, Ali Khamenei said, “The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor and it will be removed.”

Then there’s Rahimi’s direct boss, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who can’t ask what the weather is like without calling for the annihilation of the Jewish people.

But then he too usually calls us Jews “Zionists,” (which most of us are), so his calls for the genocide of Jewry is really just a political statement and not proof that what moves him when he wakes up in the morning and goes to bed at night is a passionate, obsessive desire to murder an entire people.

Many commentators seized on Erdbrink’s write-up of Rahimi’s diatribe as further proof that the civilized world cannot permit Iran to acquire nuclear weapons. And that is fair enough.

Of course Iran cannot be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons. They are religious fanatics who rule under a deranged banner of messianic genocide.

BUT THE real issue here is that these commentators felt it necessary to seize on the Times’ write-up of Rahimi’s speech to make this obvious point. That is, the real issue here isn’t the Iranians. The real issue is the Western media. From the New York Times to the BBC to the European media, Jew-hatred is the most under-reported – and arguably most important story – of our times.

No issue unites the Muslim world more than venomous, murderous hatred of Jews.

No single issue informs their foreign policies more than hatred of Jews. And yet, reporting – even biased, misleadingly understated reporting – of this massive, strategically pivotal phenomenon is almost nonexistent in most major media outlets. As a consequence, it is a major event when the Times finally publishes an anemic report about it. And again, even that report hides the real story.

Erdbrink ended his report by quoting an unnamed European diplomat who was in Rahimi’s audience at the conference. The diplomat told him that on the one hand, “This was definitely one of the worst speeches I have heard in my life. My gut reaction was: Why are we supporting any cooperation with these people?”

But, lest we reach any policy conclusions from Rahimi’s bigotry, the diplomat soothed, “If we do not support the United Nations on helping Iran fight drugs, voices like the one of Mr. Rahimi will be the only ones out there.”

What both Erdbrink and his European interlocutor failed to acknowledge is that Rahimi won’t be punished for his views. He was promoted because of his views. Helping Iran fight drugs doesn’t encourage non-genocidal Iranian politicians. It legitimizes the regime that promoted Rahimi and Ahmadinejad and Khamenei and every other powerful politician and military commander because of their hatred of Jews.

The Western media has two basic approaches to their non-reporting of Islamic Jew-hatred and its significance for international security. The first approach is to ignore the issue because it is ideologically inconvenient.

The New York Times, like every other major Western media outlet except The Wall Street Journal, is of the opinion that the Islamic world should be appeased. The Muslim Brotherhood and Iran should be accommodated.

If they gave Islamic Jew-hatred coverage commensurate with its actual significance, they would be undermining their ideological agenda. In light of their ubiquitous and vituperative obsession with Jewish people, it is obvious that it is impossible to appease the Muslim world.

The second approach to contending with Islamic Jew-hatred is to justify it by claiming that Israel has earned all the hate coming its way. It’s “political” they say. The Islamic demonization of Jews is understandable given the Palestinians and all that.

Obviously, both of these approaches to the story of Islamic Jew-hatred are appalling. The former approach involves a breach of the very concept of objective journalism. After all, the purpose of journalism is to report on the world as it is, not as we would like it to be.

And the latter approach is no less bigoted than the hatred it serves to whitewash. The European diplomat’s gut reaction to Rahimi’s speech, “Why are we supporting any cooperation with these people?” was entirely rational.

AND IF Rahimi’s hatred had been directed against any other people, race, creed, state or color, no one would support cooperation with “these people.”

No one would support the Palestinian national movement if its inherent, overwhelming hatred was directed, say, against the black state rather than the Jewish state.

Demonizing and delegitimizing Israel is the core goal of the Palestinian national movement.

To this end the Palestinian Authority’s Information Ministry published a style guide to instruct Palestinians what terms they should use to avoid legitimizing Israel.

According to Palestinian Media Watch’s report about the style guide, language must be chosen that will avoid presenting Israel’s existence as “natural.” As the book’s introduction explains, using Israeli terminology “turns the essence of the Zionist endeavor (i.e., Israeli statehood) from a racist, colonialist endeavor into an endeavor of self-definition and independence for the Jewish People.”

Among its other guidelines, the PA’s style guide tells Palestinians to replace the term “Star of David,” with “six-pointed star.” And this makes sense. The term “Star of David” exposes the Jews’ national rights to the Land of Israel. After all, this is the land of the Jewish King David who founded the Jewish capital of Jerusalem three thousand years ago.

But a central goal of Palestinian propaganda, and advanced by all relevant sectors of Palestinian society, is to rewrite history and erase the Jews from the history of the Land of Israel.

And rather than call them on this intellectual crime of literally biblical proportions, the Western media collaborates with them. For instance, on Tuesday, the New York Times published an article about the efforts of the Palestinians from Battir, an Arab village southwest of Jerusalem, to have their ancient terraced irrigation system recognized as a UNESCO World Heritage Site. They claim the designation is necessary and urgent because if they don’t get it, Israel may build a portion of the security barrier through the village and harm the irrigation system.

Isabel Kershner, the Times’ reporter, referred to the irrigation system as “a Roman-era irrigation system.”

But as the bloggers Yisrael Medad and Elli Fischer pointed out, it is a Jewish irrigation system from the Second Temple period. And while Battir is a reasonable candidate for World Heritage Site status, it is first and foremost a Jewish heritage site. Battir is the Arab name for the ancient Jewish village Betar, the site of Bar- Kochba’s last stand against the Roman Empire.

It is the last place where Jews were sovereign until the establishment of the State of Israel.

But Kershner didn’t mention any of that.

Doing so would lead to too many inconvenient truths – about the nature of Palestinian nationalism, about UNESCO, about Jewish rights to the land. So the historical significance of Battir was left unreported, and the nature of the irrigation system was reported incorrectly.

On the face of it, it can be argued that the Western media’s willful blindness towards Islamic Jew-hatred and its influence on world affairs are part and parcel of the Western elite’s collective refusal to recognize and contend with the implications of the phenomenon.

But this is too forgiving.

Policy-makers who ignore Islamic Jew-hatred are doing so because they are trying to sell their policies. What’s the New York Times’ excuse?

The media are supposed to report facts, not shape perceptions. The facts, not the perceptions are supposed to inform policy. That is, they are not supposed to collaborate with policy-makers, they are supposed to inform policy-makers and the general public.

And this leads us back to the well-meaning commentators who seized on Erdbrink’s report about how Iran’s vice president believes that Jews – sorry Zionists – are monsters, and used it as proof that Iran cannot be permitted to get the bomb. Yes, of course, they are right that it is worth re-quoting his vile remarks to make the point.

But by quoting the Times, they may be scoring a couple of tactical points today, but they are losing a long-term strategic battle. They are giving respectability to a media organ that is consummately unworthy of our respect. They are giving respectability to a news organ with an institutional policy of denying, underreporting, and misleadingly reporting about the most important issue that shapes events in the Middle East today: Islamic hatred of Jews.

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  1. @ Muslim Zionist:
    mz,
    i have reread the almost 2800 words that we have exchanged and i have come to the following conclusions:
    you truly might be ‘a nice guy’ and sincerely believe an obscure associate professor at san diego state university (it is not al-azhar, as far as islamic teachings go…not only a kuffar university, but a state univ. on top…)and his claim to fame to be that according to him, 5;21 israel belongs to the jews….but all i can say is that looking around the globe today, not only will the comments of this little khaleel guy and 50 cents, not buy you a cup of coffe, but it will get you ridiculed at best, and most likely kiled…
    i am not sure how much of a ‘scholar’ this guy is (very pernicious publications..to put it mildly) but he cannot hold his ground against a TRUE SCOLAR: robert spencer. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/04/khaleel-mohammed-slimes-me.html

    and with due respect, mz, you DO know that using wikipedia as your bibliography source…is not a high academic achievement.

    so now we have established that k.m.words are not exactly carrying weight let us look at your organization and those that call themselves ‘muslim zionists’.
    i am a very pragmatic man, mz. i stop and assess the results of my efforts and coonstantly ask myself: “am i getting somewhere? am i wasting my time?”…
    you have admitted in practically every post that we are dealing with

    Doesn’t matter the asymetric stats (billion plus Muslim Jew-haters against handful of Muslim Zionists),


    in my last comment to you i have asked you

    are these ‘good samaritans’ throwing a bucket of water at a burning skyscraper?

    i have directed you to watch the RECENT speech of the ‘democratically elected muslim brotherhood candidate’…need i elaborate?
    since i am having this cyberconversation with YOU, and not a ‘generic muslim’ i will extend to you proper courtesy and try as best i can to self censor my remarks.

    you might be a good person, mz. but if you are, it is IN SPITE of being a muslim, not BECAUSE you are one.
    as a muslim, (and forget for a moment this unicorn about ‘it is written in the quran that israel belongs to the jews’)if you are TRULY believing in the quran then you must agree with me that it is really simple: dar al islam is at constant war with dar al harb till the whole world (god forbid!) is muslim. you agreed with me that “yes there are the nasty passages etc”…
    my point is, that all the crimes that were committed by muslims had the SAME reaction from their neighbours, coworkers, etc:
    “i don’t believe it!!!he was such a NICE MAN…polite, *soft spoken* (‘stie de tabarnak…it kills me when i hear that)…i would have never thought that he could actually……”

    yeah.

    he just got the ‘sudden jihad syndrome’…..

    so maybe the reason that we are not screaming about your cause is
    1. israel does not owe ANYBODY an explanation and definitely does not have to justify its being ‘according to koran’ (excuse me???)
    2.we follow the numbers….how many did you say you represent? and you are trying to show HOW MANY believers that they must leave the jews alone, and perhaps learn to sing ‘hava nagheelah’?

    if you insist on following this path,i would like to propose a transaction to you:
    i own some land in the canadian arctic that would be perfectly suited for a palm dates plantation. i think you would be a perfect buyer!

  2. @ Muslim Zionist:

    If there’s anything outstanding do re-state.

    Well mz, I WILL post later during the day a more detailed answer where I will put your position and mine in perspective.
    But for all intents and purposes, reread my 10:49pm post. It ends with an allegorical question ? It may seem rhetorical, but no, it was a real question to which I was / am waiting for the answer.

  3. the phoenix Said:

    @ Muslim Zionist:
    and the answer to my sincere question to you is???
    crickets…

    Haven’t I replied to all your questions already? If there’s anything outstanding do re-state. The word ‘sincere’ only appears once on this page, so I can’t search your ‘sincere question’.

  4. @ BlandOatmeal:
    BlandOatmeal Said:

    If that rabbi’s name comes back to you, I think you’ll find (1) that he’s a “Christian Messianic”, and

    Rabbi Eckstein. That was his name. His organization is the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

  5. Muslim Zionist Said:

    But just like a large number of Lutherans could be turned into Zionists and friends of Israel, so a number of actual Muslims can be turned into Zionists. Disregarding that possibility is criminal neglect, that’s all I say.

    further to our discussion, assuming genuine concern on your part, and THE FEW others that share your view…what impact could be hoped for when (as quoted from wikipedia)

    In the Muslim world, support of Israel is mostly met with intolerance. In 2004, Sarah Nasser, a Muslim college student in Canada known for her pro-Israel views, received death threats after expressing support for the Jewish state’s right to exist. “Being a supporter of the existence of Israel does not conflict with Islam, it complements Islam,” she said. “The Koran does not have any verses that do not allow for the Jews to return to the Land of Israel (…) “I love Jews as I love true Muslims,” she said. “Therefore, I believe Jews should have a right to live legitimately in their homeland.” [12]

    In Bangladesh, Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, editor of the Weekly Blitz newspaper and self described “Muslim Zionist”, was attacked and beaten in 2006 by a mob of nearly 40 people, leaving him with a fractured ankle. During the assault, the attackers shouted at Choudhury, labeling him an “agent of the Jews.” [13]

    are these ‘good samaritans’ throwing a bucket of water at a burning skyscraper?

  6. BlandOatmeal Said:

    My comment has been eaten up by “moderation”. Why bother having a blog, Ted, if you don’t want people to voice their opinions? By the time this gets posted, the topic will be way down on the list.

    very respectfully,ted, i agree 100% with oatmeal.
    did you ever go to a great restaurant, where icecream coffee and cakes were served first, followed by salad and ending with the main course??
    not. so. good..now is it? my reply to muslim zionist is also awaiting moderation… i’ll enjoy my coffee while waiting for the steak… 🙁

  7. @ Muslim Zionist:
    for whatever it’s worth, mz, i agree with your last post. indeed, through no fault of yours, you were born into this (for the sake of discussion) religion, just like i was born into judaism. i do not want to deviate from the subject of our discussion,(and DEFINITELY not get bogged down by semantics) but i would only say that i DO understand the fact that one is born into “A” religion. he may chose to dive in wholeheartedly or just wet the toes…but regardless what course of action he chose, he is OF THAT RELIGION even were he to be a nonpractitioner or even convert. as viiit has posted on this a short while back, you are born and die as a member of that religion (jewish as that argument went, muslim, in your case)

    having said that by way of introduction, mz, i will proceed to read more about the muslim zionists and do my homework as you suggested…
    having lost already so many iq points, and perhaps even my b.sc. degree i am desperately trying to at least hold on to my doctorate degree.. 🙂

    i have no problem, fwiw, to allow ANY other group lend whatever help can be lent in israel’s struggle. (lord knows that there are worse attacks on the nation of israel committed by JEWS!)
    while i salute you in your effort, i am pointing out nontheless the indisputable fact, which can be attested to DAILY with hundreds and thousands of examples to the veracity of what i was saying.
    here is just one latest of a “moderate muslim and his aftermath”
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/dagestan-imam-who-rejected-any-form-of-violence-and-openly-condemned-the-extremist-insurgency-gunned.html

    so….good luck to you and stay safe.
    salaam

  8. My comment has been eaten up by “moderation”. Why bother having a blog, Ted, if you don’t want people to voice their opinions? By the time this gets posted, the topic will be way down on the list.

  9. Muslim Zionist, you said,

    The New Testament also has some really nasty anti-Jewish bits, and Luther’s anti-Jewish writings were even worse, as bad as anything in the Quran. But despite that, a patient American rabbi whose name now escapes me helped turn tens of millions of Evangelicals into Zionists.

    If that rabbi’s name comes back to you, I think you’ll find (1) that he’s a “Christian Messianic”, and (2) that he didn’t turn tens of hundreds, much less tens of millions into Zionists. With the exception of a few “high society” bigots like Henry Ford, and some Southerners who lump Jews, Catholics and Blacks together because they’re non-whites, there never has been much specifically anti-Jewish sentiment in America — not among the common people; and the Evangelicals are overwhelmingly common people. The trendy “chic” lefties nowadays, a group which includes many, many Jews, count few Evangelicals in their number. THOSE are the main perpetrators of anti-Zionism in America. I don’t even count low-life skinheads in their league; by comparison with the lefties, the skinheads are practically Israelis in the amount of damage they do to Zionism (As a matter of fact, I believe if Israel’s High Court were composed of skinheads, Israel’s enemies would leave her alone).

    The bottom line is that those “tens of millions of Evangelicals” never did need any indoctrination to incline them to Zionism; they’ve been Zionists all along. You can’t read the Christian Bible, Old Testament AND New, without finding reference after reference that supports the fact that Israel is Jewish turf.

  10. Even if a billion Muslims only go by the nasty verses and only a tiny handful go by the Zionist verses and even if you denounce the hatred, you still must, you must use the Zionist verses to shame Muslims (I posted the Wikipedia link containing the list of Muslim Zionists above, so the Phoenix, do your homework. “You never listen to me!”. 20 additional points off!). Nowadays Israel’s narrative is: “Our enemies don’t want peace but we do!”. But this is quite lame and ineffective because the anti-Israel narrative is “The Jews are foreigners who came and stole our land”. Bystanders have no problem integrating both narratives, the end result being entirely unfavorable to Israel: “The Jews are foreigners who came and stole our land and now want to be left in peace with their ill gotten loot”. Nobody cares if Israel wants peace until you prove Israel is in its land by right. And what can be more definitive than the Jews owning the land of Israel by Islamic law? That’s why it must be said. The New Testament also has some really nasty anti-Jewish bits, and Luther’s anti-Jewish writings were even worse, as bad as anything in the Quran. But despite that, a patient American rabbi whose name now escapes me helped turn tens of millions of Evangelicals into Zionists. What’s needed is a similar effort by some charismatic Jewish leaders to hit Muslims in the head with the Quran and get them to accept that they’re at fault with Islam if they fight Israel. As to the lack of noise from moderate Muslims, true that most may be silent supporters of jihad. But the beauty for Jews is that in addition to being one of the few nations specifically mentioned in the Quran, Israel is the only one offered an optional clause out from jihad. You could assert your right to Israel by Islamic law, regardless of how many show up at Tahrir square for or against. And at least you’ll fight back your agressors with fatwah in hand as if defending Islam, and let the Christians fight it out with Islam on their own rather than do their heavy lifting for them. Last, about the question of why not abandon Islam. No need for a personal response but I can point out that someone may not practice his religion from birth and still think religion is not important enough to bother choosing a different one. Can a decent person be a Muslim? Well, can a decent person be a Lutheran when Luther himself wrote a whole anti-Jewish book (‘The Jews and their lies’) calling for burning all of them in their homes? (that in addition to provoking a war that exterminated btw 1/3 and 1/2 of the German population, because anti-Jewish murderers seldom murder only Jews). We all know the answer to that. Yes Lutherans can be lovely, while ignoring the actual deeds and dreams of the horrible founder of their faith. But in truth you can’t be a real Lutheran if you’re are not out there burning Jews in their homes. You’d think they’re all hopeless by their books. But just like a large number of Lutherans could be turned into Zionists and friends of Israel, so a number of actual Muslims can be turned into Zionists. Disregarding that possibility is criminal neglect, that’s all I say.

  11. @ rongrand:

    phoenix, if I get the gist of this discussion, Muslim Zionist is confirming radical terrorist have hijacked the Muslim faith and are spreading their hatred and terrorism in the name of Islam.

    I am afraid you did not quite get it rongrand.
    Once you understand that there is no such thing as “radical terrorist that hijacked this peaceful religion” but they were actually GOOD MUSLIMS that were following the kkkoran, then, we start to get somewhere…
    Do not take MY word.
    He is what the turkey tayyip erdogan said:

    Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdo?an commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said,

    ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

    I hope this matter is clear now.
    See, a moderate musloid is the one that holds you down while the radical one is slitting your throat…

  12. @ Muslim Zionist

    What you failed to mention though is that while the Islamic deity gave the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel, at the same time many Muslims believe the Children of Israel to have been Muslims or proto-muslims called Hanifs (meaning “Monotheist” though it is worth noting that the Arabic word comes from the Syriac Hanpe meaning “Heathen” or “Pagan”), not Jews.

  13. @ Muslim Zionist:

    A Muslim tells you ‘go use my holy book as your chief propaganda tool!’ and you refuse. Now, how stupid is THAT? I’m slashing 20 more points off your IQ diagnose.

    There are certain verses of the Koran that contain high praise for the Jewish people, such as:

    “Children of Israel, remember My Favor which I have bestowed upon you, and that I exalted you above the nations.” — Koran, Sura 2 “The Cow” at 122; and

    “Bear in mind the words of Moses to his people. He said: ‘Remember, my people, the favor which Allah has bestowed upon you. He has raised up prophets among you, made you into kings, and given to you that which He has given to no other nation. Enter, my people, the Holy Land which Allah has assigned for you. Do not turn back, or you shall be ruined.'” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 20-21; and

    “Thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: ‘Dwell securely in the Promised Land, and when the Promise of the Hereafter is near fulfillment, We shall gather you all together.'” — Koran, Sura 17 “The Children of Israel” at 104;

    yet other verses viciously attack the Jewish people (and sometimes Christians), such as:

    “O Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians as your friends; they are friends of each other. Whoever of you makes them his friends is one of them! God guides not the people of the Evildoers!” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 51; and

    “… [Jews are] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He has been angry, [consequently] transforming them into apes and pigs, and [into] those who serve Satan.” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 60; and

    “You will see many among them [the Jews] competing with each other in sin and wickedness and in practicing that which is unlawful. Evil is what they do. Why do their rabbis and leaders not forbid them to blaspheme and practice that which is unlawful? Evil indeed are their doings. The Jews say, ‘Allah’s Hand is chained.’ May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say. …” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 62-64; and

    “You will find that the most implacable of men in their hostility to the faithful [followers of Allah] are the Jews and the pagans; and that the nearest in affection to the faithful [followers of Allah] are those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ …” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 82; and

    “The Jews say: ‘Ezra is the Son of God.’ The Christians say: ‘The Messiah is the Son of God.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the [false doctrines of the] unbelievers before them. God assail them! How they are perverted!” — Koran, Sura 9 “The Immunity” at 30.

    Even worse, the Hadith (Islam’s oral tradition which has preserved the extra-Koranic teachings of Mohamed as extrapolated from his words and deeds, as narrated by venerated sources), spews forth a cascade of calumnies and incitements against the Jewish people, the most infamous of which is:

    “The Resurrection of the Dead will not come until the Muslims will war with the Jews, and the Muslims will kill them; … the trees and rocks will say, ‘O Muslim, O Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.'” (see Hadith compilations of Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 as narrated by Abdullah bin Umar, and Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177 as narrated by Abu Huraira).

    There is also the well-entrenched Islamic belief that, also during the time of God’s Judgment upon Humankind, Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) will begin to dominate the Earth together with his army of 70,000 Yahud (Jews) until Isa (Jesus) is resurrected and thereafter destroys Dajjal as well as his Jewish minions.

  14. @ the phoenix:

    phoenix, if I get the gist of this discussion, Muslim Zionist is confirming radical terrorist have hijacked the Muslim faith and are spreading their hatred and terrorism in the name of Islam.

    Having said that, it doesn’t appear the good guy are willing to take it back or at least speak out about it or for that matter LEAVE.

  15. @ Muslim Zionist:
    by the end of our friendly discourse, i may not have any iq points to speak of…:)
    but seriously, muslim, please let’s leave the rhetoric and dwelve into the matter and dissect it logically.
    as i have pointed out, the idea of, as you say

    You refuse to play your strongest card which is the fact that the holy book of your enemy legitimizes your position and proves Muslims are wrong to fight Israel.

    is about as useful as trying to separate a school of sharks in a feeding frenzy and telling them to ‘play nice now…’
    yeah. you get the visual….
    please enlighten this iq challenged jew, as to WHERE the foxtrot,uniform,charlie, kilo…are all these enlightened muslim ‘scholars’ denouncing all (that you yourself acknowledge )the attrocities commited IN THE NAME OF ISLAM (!!!)
    crickets, is all you hear.
    rousing the hoipoloi however is a ‘natural’ for these islamic leaders and ‘scholars’…so with due repect, muslim, your labour of love may not bear too many fruit. just sayin’…
    and btw, muslim, others in your so called religion, had the courage to LEAVE this cult of what wafa sultan calls ‘a god who hates’…
    you sound fairly intelligent.
    what’s your story?

  16. the phoenix Said:

    you and your brethren practice taquyia, i practice all cards on the table.

    What taquyia from me? I’m not even asking you that you stop denouncing the Jew-hatred in the Islamic world.
    What ‘all cards on the table’ from you? You refuse to play your strongest card which is the fact that the holy book of your enemy legitimizes your position and proves Muslims are wrong to fight Israel.
    This is an amazing, extreme case of the obvious fact that Jews can’t tell enemies from friends. Same as most Jews distrusting Christian Zionists while trusting the PLO. Which is closely related to what Caroline Glick said in this article and others. Except while she values Christian Zionism she doesn’t pay attention to the potential of the Quran as a Zionist weapon. A Muslim tells you ‘go use my holy book as your chief propaganda tool!’ and you refuse. Now, how stupid is THAT? I’m slashing 20 more points off your IQ diagnose.

  17. I’ve seen some other people/sights that espouse the same views of Muslim Zionist. I’m not questioning MZ’s objectives at all, and his/her statements do appear to be logical and well thought.

    The biggest problem encountered is that (and correct me if I’m wrong) the Koran has been edited, tweaked, appended repeatedly. Thus, it can back up a variety of positions.

    Unfortunately, the ‘international community’ (NATO, EU, US, OIC, etc.) seem to only recognize and support very bigoted and Jewhating versions of it. Even our beloved US government supports intolerant anti-secular Islamist leaders and getstapo spawned ‘liberation’ movements (PLO, KLA, hamas). Basically, there are few if any Jews with access to or influence over US mass media to ‘get the word out’ and defend Israel in a meaningful way.

    I’m not sure what the solution is, but this is just the geopolitical reality. Any Jew that gets too far defending the Jews will likely be given a dirt nap (a la Kahane). If AIPAC or any remotely Jewish group really had any great influence, I’d think that the first thing it would do is stop pumping out the ‘Oh Noooo! AIPAC is controlling our government!’ propaganda articles. Obviously, the proliferation of such articles is directly related to the degree to which intolerant Arab/Islamist countries are controlling US policy.

    I also woke up to the reality a year or two ago: American Jews are dhimmi very much like the Jews of Iran. We can go to our synagogues, we can put on tefillin and black hats–but we’re not allowed to tell the government to stop supporting hamas, the PLO, to stop lying about how much it loves Israel while stabbing Israel in the back. We’re not allowed to discuss the outrage of Pollard’s lifetime imprisonment. We have to shut up and pay our taxes–so that our government can prop up people like Karzai, Maliki, etc.

  18. Even Jewish groups like the Jewish Federation of LA dare not broach the subject of islamic Jew-hatred. It is why they banned Pam Geller.

  19. @ Bill Narvey:

    What you fail to see is that the two state solution is not rejected by Israel and the the outside community due to the simple fact that there is no alternative viable solution.

    What is equally true is that a one state solution will spell the END OF A JEWISH STATE CALLED ISRAEL. A single entity replacing Palestine will mean that the Palestinian minority contained therein will constitute a powerful voting bloc. THE END RESULT WILL CONTITUTE A DE FACTO BINATIONAL STATE. This is not what anyone of us wants.

  20. @ Muslim Zionist:
    thank you for your cyberdiagnosis of my iq.
    a few points:
    on the whole, the world,and jews (especially)included, is fairly ignorant about islam and its teachings. i try in every conversation that i have in my real life AND ‘cyberlife’ to bring out to the open the perfidy, hypocrisy, and the true teachings of islam.
    that being said, your book says

    Israel is the only piece of land that is not meant to become Muslim according to the Quran. Jews enjoy that privilege and ignore it.

    ok. to that i say ‘ahlan wa’sahlan’
    BUT
    have you seen the recent video of egypt’s newwly elected president describing in front of the alahu akbar-screaming rubble how he encourages a peaceful march to yerushalayim and hug and kiss the jews? (sarc/off to the dim witted)

    so yes muslim, by all means, keep talking about zionism…
    why didn’t herzel think of that?
    you and your brethren practice taquyia, i practice all cards on the table.
    you want to help zionists lay claim to israel?
    great.
    do just that.
    all i am saying is a warning for my brethren not to fall for a siren’s song

  21. Thank you the Phoenix for exemplifying exactly the retarded approach I was referring to. Here’s why your response is a low-IQ one. You won’t understand this but I clarify for the benefit of other Jews who fit the expectation of normal to excellent smarts:
    – It’s entirely immaterial whether I’m a practicing Muslim or not. I’m just saying the Quran gives title of property over Israel to the Jews.
    – Yes the Holy Quran is a mixed bag and it says some horrible things. That shouldn’t prevent you from using it to your benefit with regards to the Jewish right to Israel. Yes jihad means Islam should rule almost everywhere. ‘Almost’, because Israel is the only piece of land that is not meant to become Muslim according to the Quran. Jews enjoy that privilege and ignore it.
    – Yes there is taqyia (and four wives and all that) in Islam but that is again immaterial to its Zionist verses. You don’t have to ‘believe me’. You just have to open the Quran and see yourself all the pro-Zionist verses
    – The stupidest part is to go on ranting about the disagreeable parts of the H. Quran instead of taking advantage of the Zionist bits to strengthen Israel.

  22. Glick speaks truth that most of the Muslim world, be it Muslims in Western nations or all Muslim nations (including Palestinian society) are united in their seething intractable hatred of Jews that foments genocidal dreams to destroy Israel and eradicate Jews from the world.

    Glick speaks truth in saying this foregoing truth is under reported by the Western mainstream media, save for the Wall Street Journal.

    One truth however, that Glick does not speak to is that Jews are not united at all in seeing and accepting that most of the Muslim world hates them and only wants them dead and gone. Indeed, it appears that most Jews refuse to see, accept and act on that truth.

    One example of this is that most Jews declare their support for a 2 state peace solution and urge Israel to push forward to achieve that peace solution. Most of those Jews in so calling on Israel to make peace, must know at some level that peace is not possible because of Palestinian hatred and rejection of Jews and Israel. In calling for a 2 state solution, these majority of Jews that add the caveat to their demands on Israel that Palestinians must abandon their Jew-Israel hatred, knowing full well that is not going to happen.

    The truth should be that most Jews are united in recognizing, accepting and dealing with the reality of the Jew-Israel hatred and rejectionism that binds most of the Muslim world.

    Sadly that is not a truth that has yet materialized.

  23. @ Muslim Zionist:
    with due respect,muslim, there are quite a few points that are entirely wrong with your stand.
    if you claim to be who you say you are, then obviously you regard muhammad (as indeed you must, if you ARE a believer)as the ‘perfect man’ and must emulate him in every way.
    as a true muslim, that is following the teachings of your koran, you must thus declare to the whole world that there is no god but allah and muhamad is his prophet. you must also strike the infidels wherever you will find them (9-5), you must indeed use everything in your power to spread islam to dar al harb… (do you not?, muslim?)
    furthermore, you must not be friends with non muslims (4;144, 3;28 etc)and yes, you must use taquyia and kitman to further and expand islam so please forgive this jew for not believing a single word you say.
    i DO believe that you might be smiling in my face but IN YOUR HEART, muslim, you curse me…

    so, no i am not buying. in all likelihood, if you live in israel, you simply KNOW which side your bread is being buttered, for in no other islamic country could you enjoy the freedom and BENEFITS that you are enjoying now.
    small price to pay: you cannot marry four wives and you cannot beat them…(4;34)
    ah well…nothing is perfect

  24. The plot thickens: Caroline Glick is awesome in many regards, but the crime against truth that she denounces stemming from the failure to report Jew-hatred in the Muslim world pales when compared with the much bigger, inexplicable and bizarre crime against Israel committed by pretty much every Jew including Glick: the failure to report that the Holy Quran is Zionist and it supports the exclusive right of the Jews to the land of Israel. From Wikipedia: ‘Prof. Khaleel Mohammed, Islamic Law scholar of the San Diego State University, noted that Sura 5 verse 21 of the Qur’an, and the medieval exegetes of the Qur’an, say that Israel belongs to the Jews. He translates it thus: “[Moses said]: O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers.” Mohammed here understands “written” to mean this is the final word from God on the subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Zionism‘ How can the Jews, the supposedly smartest folks on Earth, fail to use the Quran for their propaganda and scream wherever they are that the Quran is their best property title to the land of Israel? Or at least promote the few Muslims who are Zionists. No matter how few, Muslim Zionists could shame the rest of the Muslim world into accepting that all our misfortunes arise from defiling Allah’s will that Israel is for the Jews. Even Caroline Glick, the smartest of the smartest, is complicit in this non-reporting of the Jewish right to Israel under Islamic law. For most non-Jews not to care about Islamic Jew-hatred is somewaht logical. For Jews not to care about Islamic Zionism is entirely illogical. Doesn’t matter the asymetric stats (billion plus Muslim Jew-haters against handful of Muslim Zionists), the Quran establishes that Israel belongs to the Jews and that’s it. What’s wrong with you folks? Scream it from every roooftop!

  25. I believe that all of this rising Jew hatred in the world has a divine purpose. G-d is trying to send us a message to finally wake up and become true Jews. But too many Jews, and our so-called Jewish leaders, remain hopelessly secular and blind to what Judaism really means. The Torah itself warns that as long as we ignore the Law, G-d will abandon us to our enemies. This is what has always happened in the past and it is what is happening now. As long as we keep doing what we always did we will keep getting what we always got. Einstein also said that insanity means repeating the same action and expecting a different result.