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April 16, 2020 | 9,219 Comments »

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  1. @Sebastien Zorn

    Here is Trotsky’s Transitional Program, I doubt that you’ve ever seen it, much less read it (it had nothing to do with overloading the welfare system or establishing a guaranteed annual income):

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/tp/tp-text.htm#iw

    The man was an idealistic revolutionary, the last one of the Old Guard to be killed by Stalin.

    In Trotsky’s day, the workers still had some leverage because they were the main participants in the economy, now they don’t have this leverage because of the automation and robotization and the freedom that the large corporations enjoy of moving their businesses and factories around the globe in search of the cheapest labor and the largest profits.

    Cloward and Piven strategy (to overwhelm the welfare system):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

    The ultimate objective of this strategy – to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income

    If you find anything in Trotsky’s Transitional Program about guaranteed annual income or about overwhelming the welfare system, please, quote the relevant passage(s).

  5. @Reader What is Trotsky’s Transitional Program? You accused me of being uninformed about Trotsky and his writings. What is Trotsky’s Transitional Program in a nutshell? How is it Transitional? Felix couldn’t answer. Can you, Professor?

  6. Ketzel2

    But since we are creatures possessing large brains we have interests in our past and also spirit of survival which can be subdued but not easily eliminated. The history of Trotsky is also how he fought Stalin and Hitler. For example the name Sylvia Ageloff a Jewish New York family heavily implicated in Trotsky’s murder in Mexico 1940, because Stalinism is an ideology and some Jews became die hard Stalinists. As evidence has emerged it looks as Sylvia as GPU agent was the key figure controlling Ramon Mercader, rather than the love torn victim of the assassin.

    But of course Jews today fight for survival once again. It may SEEM separate from them. But on the other hand Jews ARE fighting fascist forces again. Again seems a dominant theme in our time. How can we end this horror machine and try for a new future.

  7. @Sebastien Zorn

    Cloward and Piven, whom Bill Clinton invited to his Presidential inauguration, advocated a variation of it, in its original destructive form

    Are you trying to say that these people wanted the American proletariat to make a revolution in the US with the “expropriation of the expropriators” and Bill Clinton valued them so much that he invited them to his inauguration, and it is because of these two “we are on the edge if the cliff”?

    I am speechless.

  10. @Felix, Jews have no memory of Trotsky unless they’re old commies. I’m sure he was a great guy, but for most living people, there is no pro or anti Trotsky, it’s like arguing about whether to use the harpsichord or piano in 18th century opera, i.e. a niche interest of great importance to very few people.

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  11. Sebastien

    I want nothing to do with Clinton and his cruel wife (we came, we saw, he died) or any people they associated with.

    I made a very simple point…the murder of Trotsky August 20 1940 and widespread murders of innumerable cadres wiped out the real left. Not just that physical thing theory also. Also Jews I feel maintenance of a subconscious feeling for Trotsky. Just that no more. Just a feeling I have because I think Jews are a great people.

    I feel you are setting a trap. This is a Jewish site. Many are not ready for this so I touch on it lightly. People.can take it further if they FEEL it themselves.

    Many things are a question of feeling.

  12. @Reader

    especially considering that you are completely ignorant of who Trotsky was or of his writings.

    I made reference to Trotsky’s transitional program in a constructive, practical
    sense – something Felix never does – and Felix failed to answer. Does he know what it was? Do you? What is it? What did I mean? (Hint: Cloward and Piven, whom Bill Clinton invited to his Presidential inauguration, advocated a variation of it, in its original destructive form, which the left adopted and which is a big part of how we got where we are on the edge if the cliff.)

    The Transitional Program is Trotsky’s main theoretical contribution to Marxist theory.

  13. @Michael We knew that. You’re beating a dead horse, Michael. Why do you hate Russia so much? I told you not to go there and you as much as called me a wuss.

    Like a little kid’s mishap with a stove extrapolated onto other things.

    Michael, Russia, China. Hot. Hot. 😀

  15. @Michael S.

    This is what the Microsoft chief said:

    “We are getting very good at identifying a Russian campaign, like when they tried to tell people not to get the Covid vaccine[?!?!],” he said.

    “Or today, when we see Russian disinformation in the Middle East,” he added. [No examples given.]

  19. Microsoft chief says Russia is spreading Middle East disinformation

    Paris (AFP) – Russia has been spreading “disinformation” about the situation in the Middle East, the president of Microsoft said Saturday, as tensions soar in the region due to the Israel-Hamas war.

    Issued on: 11/11/2023 – 10:23Modified: 11/11/2023 – 10:21

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231111-microsoft-chief-says-russia-is-spreading-middle-east-disinformation

    Russia against Israel??? How can this be!! 😮

  20. Sebastien

    I try to draw out the extreme crisis if I can use the term, Zionism, is in but indeed all of human society.

    We saw in these marches what is vaguely called the left.and also bourgeois leadership in Europe, Australia and America who have enabled entry to Islamic thugs on a large scale.

    But the alliance of the left with Muslims on the marches is not predicated on Leon Trotsky but on the murder of Trotsky by Stalin.

    And so we proceed but every event has an effect and every effect has repercussions in this law governed universe.

    We do not proceed blindly but by means of science.

    In this matrix of innumerable events preceding us I have little doubt that the murder of Trotsky by Stalin had the most serious effects of all.

    I do notice that Jews do not ever dismiss Trotsky while they fear and detest Stalin even though these ideas are not sharply defined.

    As we move along much will be clearer

  22. @Felix 😀 You are the very last person who should be be lecturing anyone on “magical nonsense” you loon.

    We should make the demand, in any case. Surely you of all people should understand “transitional” demands you uninformed Trot groupie.

    In any case, who knows. According to Loft, Ben Gurion got the majority of nations in the U.N., including the Soviet Union and the Latin Ametican countries to suddenly do an about face and back partition, and got arms from Czechoslavakia by revealing or threatening to reveal damning information.

    Maybe some kind of intellligence blackmail could work again?

  23. Part answer to Scott Ritter who continually attacks Israel on his Twitter

    Ritter

    “Every Brooklyn-born advocate of Eretz Israel who participated in the robbery, brutalization, and murder of Palestinians while stealing their homes and lands should have their American passports revoked and have warrants issued for their arrest under American jurisdiction. Otherwise, the rule of law is meaningless.”

    I answered Ritter on his twitter the following

    “On the march in London a young Jewish woman took such cursing verbal abuse that she broke down crying

    The Muslim mob without pause struck up the chant CRY BITCH CRY

    Nice people these”

    I further say that the present attacks on Israel by Antisemites is a continuation right back through the Holocaust to the Pogromists of earlier decades, even centuries, many of which happened in Ukraine.

    There is a direct link between Stepan Bandera and Zelensky because Zelensky even though he is nominally Jewish leads the Bandera forces of today.

    Ritter and indeed Russia does not recognise this point I make

    So many Jews are confused by this but they do not approach it with the insight of Trotskyism

    In the Gorbachev era Trotsky remained a hated figure by all branches of Stalinism.

    But Trotsky in the 1930s demanded and asserted Jews had to have a national home in Israel to be.

    In essence this all means there is a major crisis today in Israeli leadership. The old forms of leadership are proving inadequate

  24. Sebastien please stop living in the land of nonsense

    “Israel should be a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. That would be genuine Affirmative Action against the legacy of antisemitism.”

    That is a perfect example of what I call “magical thinking ”

    The League of Nations was a trap for Jews and the United Nations even more so.

  25. According to the IDF, before October 7, Hamas had some 30,000 fighters in the Gaza Strip, split into five regional brigades, 24 battalions and some 140 companies. Each Hamas brigade has an anti-tank missile array, sniper and engineering teams, air defenses, and a rocket firing array, the IDF says. Each brigade also has a number of outposts and strongholds in their respective regions.

  26. Principal of Clarksburg High School in @MCPS abruptly resigned today after approving and supporting a schoolwide pro-Palestine walkout. Parents were reportedly furious and he received a ton of backlash.

    Libs of TicToc

  32. Hi, Tanna. I missed your post from November 8, at 3:59 PM

    Those “young people” you described are certainly living beyond their means; but they are well off compared to, say, my son. If they can secure a loan for a pickup truck, boat trailer and boat, and are still young and strong enough to work if they want to, they still have time to make a drastic course correction — the kind, unfortunately, which often leads to divorce and many more ills.

    Greedy bankers? From all I can see, the greed is mostly supply-side: The US Treasury, fueled by lobbyist bribes, seems to be force-feeding the banking industry with more taxpayer money than they can possibly handle. If UPS dropped off a big box of $100 bills at your doorstep every day, for you to do with whatever you want and never have to pay back, would you refuse to accept the packages?

    You’re talking about, say, 16-40-year olds. For me, that period began in the 1960s, which slid into the 1970s recession. No pickup truck, boat, etc. Most of that time, I was either out of work or earning minimum wage, as we raised our children through their teen years (My wife had steady work, which kept us alive). We funneled our money into schooling for our children, the church and charities. Now we are comfortably retired, and able to help others.

    Such were our priorities, and such are our results, and we have only thanks to God — no regrets. If someone else wants to go bust, toting a boat behind his pickup truck, and some bankers want to live high on the hog on our savings, this won’t hurt us; but yes, as you say, “It’s a hard rain’s gonna fall” for a lot of people.

  37. Another suspect who murdered a Jew released:

    Pro-Palestinian Protester Identified as Suspect in Death of Jewish Man in California
    Judy Maltz Nov 7, 2023

    A 50-year-old participant in a pro-Palestinian protest in Southern California has been identified as a suspect in the death of a Jewish counter-protester, a senior law enforcement official announced on Tuesday.

    Speaking at a press conference, Ventura County Sheriff Jim Fryhoff said the suspect had not be named or arrested, noting that police had received conflicting reports from witnesses about what had caused 69-year-old Paul Kessler to fall and sustain a lethal blow to the back of his head.

    “I can’t comment on the results of that search warrant, as the investigation is ongoing,” said Fryhoff. “We haven’t ruled out the possibility of a hate crime, and it’s being investigated as a homicide.”

    A homicide in this case, he explained, does not necessarily mean that a crime was committed.

    According to the sheriff, Kessler was conscious when police and medical personnel arrived at the scene. He said the suspect, who was “advocating for Palestine,” was one of the people who had put in a call to 911. “He was cooperative and indicated he was involved in the altercation with Kessler,” said the sheriff. [Kessler was struck with a megaphone before he fell to the ground and hit his head]

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-07/ty-article/.premium/pro-palestinian-protester-identified-as-suspect-in-death-of-jewish-man-in-california/0000018b-abbe-d724-a5bb-ebbe681f0000

  41. PELONI-

    His outlined statement is more than ambiguous. He doesn’t exactly contradict himself , but leaves an open door situation. In my opinion anyway.

    On another Point….. Samanths Woll was not a Rabbi as far as I know, she was a Synagogue President and Communal worker. A political advisor also, Dem to the bone of course.

  42. @Sebastien
    Yes, I saw that. A former federal prosecutor stated that the only reason why they would handle the case so surreptitiously after it being so prominently reported upon would be due to their case likely being far from air tight. Once they charge him, which they did not do, the possibility of expanding the investgation becomes difficult. He indicated that they probably brought the suspect in to sweat him or others into providing more evidence than they had.

  43. @Edgar
    Bibi has himself contradicted his previously dogmatic statement regarding his future vision for Gaza. He did so on Fox yesterday and even more recently affirmed his new policy during a press conference today.

    I repeat the security control includes meaning we can go in and out whenever we need to in order to eliminate the terrorists when they show up again. [The civilian control must not be the PA], but securitywise it must be us.

    He also indicated that Israel will build and maintain a much larger military.

  45. Here is a Paradox…

    Over a week ago Ron Dermer, the PM’s closest confidante announced that in Gaza after Hamas is destroyed, the “Palestinians” will rule,

    But Netanyahu more recently had stated several times very openly. that Israel will control Gaza indefinitely, (maybe for ever)_

  46. It is curious that the murder of a Detroit Rabbi has been solved with the culprit in hand, and yet the identity, his motive, and the complete context of Sam Woll’s murder has been withheld from the public. This is even more so given that the authorities have insisted since Woll was first found stabbed to death that her murder was not related to the Jew hatred being popularized around the nation, and most notably, a massive gathering of Jew haters took place some fifteen minutes from Woll’s home on the day she was murdered. Just repeated statements that Woll, who was herself politically active among the Detroit Dems, was not killed because she was a Jew. We shall see what comes from this, but it would seem quite reasonable that the import of revealing the details of her murder, any detail of her murder for that matter, would be made more acute in the current atmosphere where we have seen Jews beaten, illegally detained, and murdered by Jew hating mobs in recent days.

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  47. Thanks-giving Turkey

    FBI Seized NYC Mayor Eric Adams’ Phones, iPad

    Mr. Adams has visited Turkey multiple times, including as part of official duties in different public offices.

    “…I’m probably the only mayor in the history of this city that has not only visited Turkey once, but I think I’m on my sixth or seventh visit to Turkey,” Mr. Adams said at a Turkish flag-raising ceremony in New York recently.

    Two of those trips were made while he was the Brooklyn Borough President.

    Campaign records show that he received donations from three members of a foundation opened by the son of the Turkish president…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-seized-nyc-mayor-eric-adams-phones-ipad

  48. Thanksgiving Day 2023 is on Thursday, November 23, 2023

    Nov. 22: another American anniversary
    https://imgs.search.brave.com/JBKiyahJ5L_azVOGj1WfLpfVuyp5L1yzmgooIErMBR0/rs:fit:560:320:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly91cGxv/YWQud2lraW1lZGlh/Lm9yZy93aWtpcGVk/aWEvY29tbW9ucy90/aHVtYi81LzVjL0pG/S19saW1vdXNpbmUu/cG5nLzUxMnB4LUpG/S19saW1vdXNpbmUu/cG5n

    open borders. Hamas. Red herring? False flag? Who’s in charge?

    https://images.wsj.net/im-884685?width=700&size=1.5005861664712778