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April 16, 2020 | 9,219 Comments »

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  1. Hi, Edgar. I have been told that the leeward side of the island gets dry in the winter.

    Concerning the historical references, I wish you would investigate them. I’ll list them here, in chronological order:

    Thallus ~55 AD, non-Christian, quoted c. 220 by Julius Africanus as a hostile reference to Jesus’ death

    the Didache, ~50-70 AD, written at a time when Christian believers met in one anothers’ houses. It refered to contemporary opposition Jews as “hyppocrites”.

    Mara bar Serapion ~73 AD; taken captive by the Romans; refers to “the wise king of the Jews” in passing, comparing his “fruitless” killing to those of Socrates and Pythagoras

    Clement. ~70-96 AD; familiar with the Zealot Rebellion

    Josephus ~AD 93; one fragment translated in the 1970s from an arabic version that attests to the historicity of Jesus and his “brother” Ya’akov.

    Papias ~AD 95-110; studied under Jesus’ talmidim

    Ignatius of Antioch, ~AD 110; martyred for his faith

    Pliny the Younger ~AD 112; Gov. of Bithynia under Trajan; asked the Emperor for advice on how to deal with “Christians”.

    Tacitus ~116 AD, Roman non-Christian historian; reported martyrdom of followers of “Christus” by Emperor Nero

    Suetonius ~AD 120; mentioned the followers of “Chrestus” of AD 41-54

    Polycarp, ~110-140 AD; also martyred, as I recall

    Quadratus, ~117-138 AD; wrote a letter to Emperor Hadrian in defense of Christianity

    Phlegon of Tralles ~AD 140, cited later by Origen; rebutted c. 175 by Origen

    Lucian of Samosata ~166; claimed Jesus was worshipped by contemporary Christians — who “worshipped” crucifixes and denied the Greek gods

    Celsus ~175, wrote a treatise attacking Christianity

    That’s the list — certainly more than the “two and three witnesses” required to condemn a person. If someone refuses to hear them, then of course it would be foolish to think they would hear me, though I were informed by the caesars themselves.

  2. Michael-

    Thank you for your sympathy. My lower lip . It’s been pretty cold here this year and the right conditions for the skin to crack.

    Really minor , but inhibits laughing overmuch. Thank you again.

  6. Mikey- not to be confused with “Mouse”

    I just searched for and found your post that is supposed to satisfy me. Fortunately I don’t have ulcers so need no pap. My goodness, Mike, you are so easily convinced, that the dozen Florida beachfront lots I have, I’ll keep exclusively for you. Bargain prices too

    I only got as far as “Ignoramus of Antioch” before I quit. I have a split lip so can’t laugh as I want to.

    The poor guy was really confused and all that rubbish is full of “I heard” “it is said”…. He heard so much he must have had ears like a donkey
    I stopped when he said “Herod the Tetrarch” when he meant Herod the King. Herod the Tetrarch was a son of the king and Tetrarch of Galilee, or maybe it was Perea then. You know him better as Herod Antipas.

    He’s the guy who had hot pants for Salome and executed John, about CE 37-8, the “precursor” of “Jesus”, of whom John had never heard, despite the Gospels saying they were buddy-buddy enough for him to present the mythical guy with fluttering doves…..like Mandrake the Magician. I didn’t know they had top hats back then.
    He’s also the guy who was at war with Aretas 4th who wiped him up and who then appealed for the Roman Gov in Damascus to help him and all that. I posted about the history and timeline of these particular incidents recently. Perhaps you didn’t read it. { Aretas was the father of Antipas’ recently divorced wife}.

    Antipas actually executed John because he had so many followers that Antipas was afraid of a rebellion. A. was also the guy who was overheard taking about P.O.T. (Post Obit Tiberius), and got into trouble for it.

    (Did you ever hear to old Navy song about Salome???)

    So save your breath. I KNOW, and You DON’T.

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  7. MICHAEL-

    You continue to flatter and delude yourself.

    I have no idea what you’re talking about, I checked out NO posts by you
    So “Down Rover”……. However I see from what you say that your fixation is still strong and “contemporary”.

    NO mostly Pagan writers testified to the mythical Jesus. Anything they wrote about Jesus was completely taken from Christian sources, to wit; the Gospels -or deluded Christian writers. Where else would they get them.
    You need not torture the Latin name “Crestus” into Christus”.

    Nor quote the liar Paul, the fake “Roman Citizen” the tentmake, the very bottom of the artisan ladder. Tarsus is nearly 1500 miles from Rome by road.

    And it has been positively authenticated by literally dozens of not hundreds of experts that The Christian Bible is “largely unreliable”; I recall reading in an article about 50 years ago that there were more than 1800 errors of fact in the Gospels and Pauline Letters. That 7-8 of those letters are proven forgeries didn’t help, I suppose.

    Personally, the first time I read it, at about age 40 I laughed my head off, and nothing has changed since. The whole desert waste of the Christian Bible is a complete Joke.

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  8. @Michael

    contemporary writers, from about 50 AD to 200 AD;

    ”
    1. : living or occurring at the same period of time. 2. : of the present time : modern, current.5 days ago

    Contemporary Definition & Meaning – Merriam-Webster

    Merriam-Webster
    https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › conte…”

    What are his dates again?

  9. SEB-

    I thought “The Peacemaker” was a Colt revolver. Not a Smith and Wesson.

    Ah, Edgar! I assume you checked out my references — about a dozen of more contemporary writers, from about 50 AD to 200 AD; most of them non-Christian and some of them definitely hostile to Christianity, all testifiying to the existence of Jesus and agreeing to statements in the gospels.

    You were not at peace on these matters, the last time we talked. I hope this has settled things a bit.

  10. I totally agree with Laura Rogan IS a buffoon, but for some unknown reason has tremendous influence. He leans about his subject t whilst the interview is ongoing, makes ludicrous mistakes in repetition, and more.

    His interview with Dr. Neil Riordan is a classic of theking I mention above.

    He never could get his tongue around the Term given to the
    golden” Stem Cell. It’s instructive to listen to it to see the extent of his ignorance.

  11. I wonder who those “aid” workers who Israel mistakenly fired upon were actually aiding. I bet it turns out they were aiding and abetting hamas. I never trust any of these so-called “aid” workers who operate inside Gaza.

  12. I maintain that Rogan is a buffoon, but I do agree he is unfortunately a major influencer which means he should know he has the responsibility to get the story straight about such a volatile issue as what’s happening in Gaza, but he doesn’t care. He’s an entertainer, not a serious broadcaster so he probably wants to be provocative. He might also probably be trying to bait his critics into claiming he’s an antisemite so that he can cry victim of “Jewish power” and censorship and so forth and ratchet up antisemitism among his supporters while claiming pro-Israel supporters just call any criticism of Israel as being antisemitic, thereby discrediting pro-Israel voices. That’s the trap Candace Owens used on her critics. Let’s not fall into that trap.

    So, I’m not going to try to make the case that he’s antisemitic since it’s not obvious that he is, we can just try to make the case that he’s uninformed and correct him.

    Don’t discount Rogan as a buffoon. He is an artful influencer whose personal oppinions carry a great deal of weight for his ardent supporters. And unlike Candace Owens who has demonstrated herself to be a drip-drip-flood advocate of antisemitism, I believe that such a claim about Rogan will be difficult to make, giving his comments in support of such claptrap that Owens would make, a far greater sense of substance to a far greater crowd of listeners. Indeed, this was a very great misfortune in the ongoing public debate regarding Israel for anyone supporting Israel.

  13. @Laura

    Joe rogan is a buffoon.

    Don’t discount Rogan as a buffoon. He is an artful influencer whose personal oppinions carry a great deal of weight for his ardent supporters. And unlike Candace Owens who has demonstrated herself to be a drip-drip-flood advocate of antisemitism, I believe that such a claim about Rogan will be difficult to make, giving his comments in support of such claptrap that Owens would make, a far greater sense of substance to a far greater crowd of listeners. Indeed, this was a very great misfortune in the ongoing public debate regarding Israel for anyone supporting Israel.

  15. Joe rogan is a buffoon. I don’t know why his podcast is so popular. I guess people like mind-numbing drivel.

    He’s not a serious broadcaster that should be weighing in on serious issues. He’s essentially an entertainer. He should stick to MMA.

    Joe Rogan is the world’s biggest podcaster, with an audience over 20 times larger than CNN. His views are influential and often define the prevailing popular thought in the United States. That’s why it was so disturbing to see Rogan speak for several minutes about how Israel is committing a “holocaust” in Gaza, just like the one that (according to Rogan) Jews had ironically suffered themselves.

  16. Incessant lies and propaganda eventually have an effect.

    “Fifty-five percent of Americans disapprove of Israeli military action in Gaza, according to a new Gallup poll. This marks the first time the survey has found a majority disapproves, a rise of ten percent since November 2023.”

  17. A good and justifiable move. Now watch Israel-haters decry Bibi as a “fascist”, never mind no muslim country allows Israeli broadcasters.

    Israel’s parliament passed a law allowing the prime minister to immediately close the Qatari-backed broadcaster Al Jazeera citing a “direct threat to the country’s security” in the context of its coverage since October 7. The bill received support from 71 lawmakers, while 10 opposed. The bill allows the government to close its offices, remove its website, and confiscate devices used to deliver its content.

  18. @Ted Marvelous! Now, when are they going to get around to shutting down Ha’aretz? All the leftwing Israel bashers I know quote Ha’aretz for their blood libels.

  19. @Edgar Your right, of course. I’m an utter colt. Smith will be heartbroken to hear it. Wesson can always content himself with the cooking oil. But, Smith will have to content himself with being the Garfunkel.

  21. HAARETZ

    Israel’s parliament passed a law allowing the prime minister to immediately close the Qatari-backed broadcaster Al Jazeera citing a “direct threat to the country’s security” in the context of its coverage since October 7. The bill received support from 71 lawmakers, while 10 opposed. The bill allows the government to close its offices, remove its website, and confiscate devices used to deliver its content.

  23. Reality Check

    Joe Rogan is the world’s biggest podcaster, with an audience over 20 times larger than CNN. His views are influential and often define the prevailing popular thought in the United States. That’s why it was so disturbing to see Rogan speak for several minutes about how Israel is committing a “holocaust” in Gaza, just like the one that (according to Rogan) Jews had ironically suffered themselves.

  27. @Michael I think if Jesus were alive, he’d agree with me that Easter is an abomination, as like me today, he searched desperately for someplace that was still open after 6pm where he could go to the bathroom.

    I think we can all agree that holidays are an important time for us to stay home and look inward because there’s no place to go to the bathroom outside so our enemies know when and where to invade and slaughter us in the comfort of our own homes.

    “If Jesus were alive today, we’d all be wearing little electric chairs around our necks.” – Lennie Bruce or George Carlin, I forget.

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  31. Daily Telegraph

    Just now

    Prepare for Putin pivot to invade us, say Baltic states
    Diplomats say Putin’s brutalisation of Ukraine has brought back darkest memories of occupation under Stalin

    Will Hazell,
    POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
    30 March 2024 • 2:31pm

    Why would Russia do that? It is an insane thought.

    Putin …it’s the last thing he wants.

    He wants peace and quiet and Ukraine not to be A NATO STATE on his botder

  32. Lessons from rape rumpus

    Little Pengelly has a strange take on the law

    “She added: “Victims must always have the best opportunity for justice. This must be fully respected and supported.

    “My thoughts are with those suffering who have put their faith in the criminal justice system.”

    “Victims”

    ??????

    ·
    Now
    What happened to the concepts of ACCUSED and ACCUSER

    Why is Pengelly and the other elitist top dog O’Neil mouthing about “victims”???

    These top dogs are definitely leading the law process.

  33. The Spokesman for the Islamic State also known as ISIS, Abu Hudhayfah Al-Ansari made a Statement today to Commemorate the 10-Year Anniversary for the Declaration of the Caliphate, during which he called for “Lone Wolfs” across the World to launch Attacks on Mass Gatherings of Christians and Jew especially in the United States, Europe, and Israel.

    – OSINTdefender

    Watch your back.

  35. “Fifty-five percent of Americans disapprove of Israeli military action in Gaza, according to a new Gallup poll. This marks the first time the survey has found a majority disapproves, a rise of ten percent since November 2023.”

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  37. “What is ISIS-K and why would it attack a Moscow concert hall?
    By Reuters
    March 25, 20243:14 PM EDTUpdated 2 days ago

    WASHINGTON, March 22 (Reuters) – The U.S. has intelligence confirming Islamic State’s claim of responsibility for a deadly shooting attack at a concert near Moscow on Friday, a U.S. official told Reuters.
    Here is information about the Islamic State’s Afghan branch known as ISIS-K and their motives for attacking Russia:
    WHAT IS ISIS-K?
    Islamic State Khorasan (ISIS-K), named after an old term for the region that included parts of Iran, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, emerged in eastern Afghanistan in late 2014 and quickly established a reputation for extreme brutality.
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    One of the most active regional affiliates of the Islamic State militant group, ISIS-K has seen its membership decline since peaking around 2018. The Taliban and U.S. forces inflicted heavy losses.
    But the United States sees the group as an ongoing threat. General Michael Kurilla, the commander of U.S. Central Command, told Congress last March that ISIS-K was quickly developing the ability to conduct “external operations” in Europe and Asia. He predicted it would be able to attack U.S. and Western interests outside Afghanistan “in as little as six months and with little to no warning.”
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    Attacks within the U.S. itself were less likely, he said.
    The United States has said its ability to develop intelligence against extremist groups in Afghanistan such as ISIS-K has been reduced since the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country in 2021. The U.S. military has said it can see the “broad contours” of an impending attack, but does not have the specific detail it did previously.
    WHAT ATTACKS HAS THE GROUP CARRIED OUT?
    ISIS-K has a history of attacks, including against mosques, inside and outside Afghanistan.
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    Earlier this year, the U.S. intercepted communications confirming the group carried out twin bombings in Iran that killed nearly 100 people.
    In September 2022, ISIS-K militants claimed responsibility for a deadly suicide bombing at the Russian embassy in Kabul.
    The group was also responsible for an attack on Kabul’s international airport in 2021 that killed 13 U.S. troops and scores of civilians during the chaotic U.S. evacuation from the country.
    According to a January U.N. report, opens new tab, the Taliban’s efforts to defeat the group have led to a fall in the number of attacks within Afghanistan. Bombings have not stopped, however.
    On Thursday, Islamic State claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing in front of a bank in Afghanistan’s Kandahar city that killed at least three people and injured 12, local police said.
    WHY WOULD THEY ATTACK RUSSIA?
    While the attack by ISIS-K in Russia on Friday was a dramatic escalation, experts said the group has opposed Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent years.
    “ISIS-K has been fixated on Russia for the past two years, frequently criticizing Putin in its propaganda,” said Colin Clarke of Soufan Center, a New York-based research group.
    Michael Kugelman of the Washington-based Wilson Center said ISIS-K “sees Russia as being complicit in activities that regularly oppress Muslims.”
    He added that the group also counts as members a number of Central Asian militants with their own grievances against Moscow.
    (This story has been refiled to fix a typo in paragraph 8)”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/why-did-isis-k-attack-moscow-theater-2024-03-23/

    Here’s what jumped out at me: ”
    The United States has said its ability to develop intelligence against extremist groups in Afghanistan such as ISIS-K has been reduced since the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country in 2021. The U.S. military has said it can see the “broad contours” of an impending attack, but does not have the specific detail it did previously.”

    So, why the hell did we have to leave?

  39. Felix, IS attacked Russia because for years Russia has been aiding what IS thinks are its worst enemies, These include the governments of Afghanistan. Pakistan.Iran, Syria and Yemen. Many people in the USA don’t understand that Muslim “miliants are deeply divided between shiite and Sunni. militants. The Sunni militants, including IS, hate the non-Muslim countries, including Russia, The USA, Britain, France and Germany, that are in bed with the Shi’ite “miliatants” led by Iran. All this is a little too complicated for many people, both Russian and American. Unfortunately, we live in a world that is both complicated and violent.

  40. Michael

    All I know is a picture I saw of a massive ship rammed into a flimsy looking iron looking bridge

    It seemed an absurd looking scene.

    Poor workers being abused by Biden

  41. Sebastien

    No really it is true.

    It is really true that in a certain way for the left everything stopped about 1933 I guess

    Without writing a big book that’s our problem.

    There’s obviously a crisis in Zionism and it is not resolvable in the way it is going

    Why?

    It is very old.

    3000 years old

    But it has value for a long time for Jews and humanity BUT needed is Trotskyism

    What I think is Trotskyism has to waken up and Jews have to learn new things

    Trump is very aware man and he gets it.

    Note I am not using dogma here. This crisis Jews are in is very real.

    Or to put it differently Jews will not survive without a big rethink

  43. @Felix That’s just a boilerplate response not a real answer to the specific question. Everybody here knows where you stand in general or at least your slogans, so what’s the point? Here, since you didn’t bother to Google “capiche” which just means, “understand” in Italian (it was a joke) I will spoon feed you in case you don’t capiche.

    People also ask
    What is a boilerplate in business writing?
    A boilerplate is a brief paragraph at the end of a press release that highlights a company and its core business information. It’s a standardized copy, so you often see the same paragraph concluding every press release unless the company undergoes some considerable change that warrants a new boilerplate.

  44. Sebastien Zorn

    The big question nobody has tried to answer is, why would ISIS attack Russia?

    To oppose everything that Lenin Trotsky and materialism stood for

  48. Yes, they should stop talking and just move into Rafah. That has been my feeling. Why keep dragging this out and allowing enough time for global forces to be arrayed against them, when they could have already gone in, got the job done and then let the world seethe after its too late. Israel should start acting like a sovereign nation instead of engaging in a pointless exercise of pleading their case for their right to self-defense to a hostile world. We now know that there is no atrocity so horrific against it that will gain Israel any support even from western nations. Israel is a sovereign nation that doesn’t need permission from Biden and company. Start acting like it.

    They need to move on to Rafah, seize the philadelphia corridor, and end this stand off. They are making use of the time with the operations in central Gaza, but the destruction of the remaining brigades is both essential and useful to getting the hostages out. Like a bandaid, better to give one big pull than simply talking about doing it.

  50. Sebastien Zorn

    Now all of a sudden it’s a Ukrainian attack. ? I guess that’s more useful.

    Yes that’s the contention being made with some very big evidence including by Ted and Peloni

    Do you want to make your own position in support of Nazis very clear?

    Please be clear. This is as serious as it gets.