By Peloni
From now on comments on every post must relate to the content of the post.
Comments that don’t relate to the post must go here.
Any person who contravenes this demand will be put on moderation. Also their offending comment will be trashed.
The reason for this demand is so that people who want to read comments which pertain to the post, don’t have to wade through the chatter.
Everyone will be happier.
@Edgar This is a hilarious bit. I’m kind of reminded of the negotiations between Biden/Blinken and Israel with Abbott as Biden/Blinken and Costello as Israel.
Abbott and Costello – One Night in the Tropics – 365 dollars (1940)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAkLzbq2K3I
@Edgar Not particularly ha ha funny, but a delightful find I just stumbled upon.
Fred Astaire as guest on the Oscar Levant Show. 1958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNJWAOJT7eM
@Edgar I think this is a hilarious bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_f6qFBQD9U&
@Edgar I know the first one as a debate between a rabbi and priest who are friends and it’s timelessly funny, I agree. I didn’t know the second one but I don’t think it’s funny.
SEB-
A Jew was discussing Rabbinic Law.
“Do you know that the sin of eating chometz on Pesach has the same penalty as the sin of committing adultery??”
“I’ve tried them both and believe me, there’s NO Comparison””.
“Psychiatrists say that Frank Sinatra’s moving on from woman to woman is a sign of deep unhappiness..
We have to be sorry for the poor guy, suffering like anything”.
SEB-
A Jew was discussing Rabbinic Law.
“Do you know that the sin of eating chometz on Pesach has the same penalty as the sin of committing adultery??”
“I’ve tried them both and believe me, there’s NO Comparison””.
The sacrifices that the US made in post War Europe, like The Marshall Plan, were not made out of altruism. They were a vital neccessity for the US to have a strong bulwark against rampantly aggressive, octupus-like grasp of the USSR, which showed its true colours long before the war ended.
Even a political neophyte like myself could see this. The East-West Berlin blockade was a perfect example/ was like a grim game of football with fatal consequences of “goals” scored.
@Michael
IF this is so, you have yet to demonstrate it.
The NATO overthrow of Ukraine rendered Ukraine a NATO colony, rather than a sovereign nation on the doorstep of a nuclear powered state, which waited nearly a decade before responding militarily as the US did spontaneously with regards to Cuba in 1962.
As to the Hashemites, that regime has waged a war against Israel since Israel was formed and created the breach in Israeli society with the war crime of withdrawing citizenship from the Pals living in Israel. Even signing a peace treaty with Israel they have continued to overtly violate that ‘treaty’ repeatedly over the years, most recently with the smuggling of guns and gold to terrorists in Israel thru the use of diplomatic couriers, and sparking the 2021 War of Riots and Rockets before that.
The illicit actions of NATO and the Hashemites are each actions of belligerents, which no sovereign nation would or should allow to go unanswered. Hence, it is not incumbent upon sovereign nations to accept such abuses as either Russia or Israel has done in these examples, but rather they should respond as necessary to maintain their sovereignty, as Russia has done, and hopefully as Israel will do.
It is far greater than a military allaince which threatens Israel, but the adoption of US aid and offshoring of Israeli munition sources solely to the US.
You wear the US upon your sleeve as if I should countenance my repulsion of the actions of that once great nation to satisfy your overstated sensitivities. I object to the belligerence of the US, as it applies to Serbia, to Libya, to Iraq, to Ukraine, to Russia, and yes, to Israel, and this is easily a limited list which could be extended. In fact, it is those people who can not appreciate the opprobrium being committed by their respective nations which lend their support to the wielding of tyranny over other nations. This is the lesson which we should all take from the sacrifice of Sophie Scholl. The notion that such actions as have been taken by the US should be ignored or accepted because you find it an abuse of your personal self is, to me, both illogical and indefensible.
My only criticism of you was that you supported the antisemitic rants made by Owens and Carlson as being in any way supportably fair, when in fact, they are nothing more than the antisemitic rants of two isolationists who believe that they can change the pro-Israel MAGA movement into an anti-Israel isolationist movement.
No one has belittled the sacrifices made by the American people in WWII, though many have done so with regards to the Russian people, whose sacrifice was actually much much greater. Personally, I am beholden to all the forces and peoples who brought the Nazi regime down, but I do not hold that reverence in perpetuity. What the US has done over the last 40 years in supporting the rise of the Iranian menace and the criticisms made thereof those actions by the US are not related to nor relatable to America’s role in WWII, but should be critiqued and valued independently as I have done.
Bully for you. I couldn’t care less if you like that I raise my criticisms of America’s actions nor if you dislike that I raise my support for Russia’s reasonable response to NATO’s oversteps. If you disagree with me, speak to what I state with facts or opinions about what I state, as this results in greater learning and understanding of what we each might think.
Respond as you like, but you do seem poorly informed as to my positions on these matters.
@Michael
I’m going to go out on a limb here and take a wild guess, but I think you hate Russians.
Peloni,
There is no need to drag Mr. Rosenthal or anyone else into this. Let me simply express myself freely concerning you and Ted. If that means my post gets trashed for being “too long”, then so be it.
1. Sovereignty: Between you, who advocate Russia swallowing up its neighbors, and Ted, who advocates overthrowing the Jordanian king, I must say that both of you have a selective view of “sovereignty” — enough for me to doubt the sincerity of anything you say on the matter. Nevertheless,
2. If you consider a military alliance a threat to Israel’s sovereignty I haven’t criticized you for this; in fact, I have advocated this myself
3. The above said, you have criticized ME for advocating that, in the current duress of my own country, we should’t be squandering our resources on Israel.
4. The above are just dodges on your parts. You both should know that the heart of the matter between us has nothing to do with Russia, Ukraine or Israel; it is your repeated attacks on the US, even belittling the sacrifices we made in WWII — sacrifices we didn’t have to make for our own sake (as one here has well said, we were secure from any attack from the Nazis); but regardless of our motives or lack therof, what we did had the effect of destroying Hitler and facilitating the creation of Israel
I needn’t say more on this matter; and I have no interest in a long, running discussion on the matter. I know how you feel, and you know how I feel. There’s no need to go beyond this.
5. Concerning Russia, whether you think Israel should ally themselves with her or not, I find defenses of its current leader to be repulsive; and I’ve said as much. The continual references many here have made to other countries — Ukraine, the US, the UK, etc. do not make the Russian pig smell like a rose.
@Michael
This is as short sighted of a suggestion as it is ignorant of what I have advocated for many years. Israel needs to NOT turn its fate over to Russia and to STOP turning its fate over to the Americans. It is a SOVEREIGN nation, whose raison d’être has always been to be a nation of Jews able and capable of choosing the fate of her Jewish population without subjugating the interests of that Jewish population to the whims and interests of foreigners.
The pursuit of support from the US has only made Israel dependent upon that support, malleable to her destruction and accepting of existential threats. This is as unhealthy as it is unsustainable and October 7 has provided proof of this fact for those who needed such clarification. So, in your lack of clarity for that which I have advocated, you are now suggesting that I would have Israel trade the US dependence for that of Russia? Utter twaddle.
My following comment from two years ago and Victor Rosenthal’s article, to which it is attached, instead provides a summary of what I have advocated:
https://www.israpundit.org/israel-must-become-an-unaligned-nation/#comment-63356000248406
Israel must have no master, but must be her own sovereign, standing between empires rather than attached to them. We have assets and advantages which the various players might value should we maintain our independence, while choosing sides renders us irrelevant to our “ally” and an enemy to our “ally’s” opposition. Independence rather than dependence, neutrality and partnership as opposed to advocacy and alliance, and sovereignty rather than subjugation. These are the basis of what I have advocated, not to become a Russian toady state in place of being an American toady state.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/american-citizen-convicted-providing-material-support-isis-resulted-death-and-related
@Michael I see Poland has been asking for the U.S. to share it’s nuclear weapons in response to Russia stationing them in Belarus.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-748554
(I was actually looking for something about the Israeli strike on the Iranian embassy in a Ukrainian paper and not only was there nothing but it was hard to get any Ukrainian news sites to come up, even when I had to go to DuckDuckGo.)
How nice. You must be happy. On 2 counts. First, you get to have your Christian Armageddon and afterword, 72 black-eyed virgins? No, whoops. Wrong crazy millenarian eschatalogical cult. Have any fun plans after the rapture when you get to heaven? Maybe get a few tips from this wonderful comedy – one of my mother’s favorite films and I like it, too –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEbLVD72hY
Also, sharing is a very wholesome Christian value is it not?
“Share everything.
Play fair.
Don’t hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
Say you’re sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.”
– “Everything I ever needed to know I learned in Kindergarden.” by Robert Fulghum
@Michael you missed the point about the tattoos. They’re not illegal in Russia. He wasn’t arrested for that. He was arrested for suspicion of planning to join the war against Russia and the NAZI tattoo on his shoulder was confirmation after he wouldn’t allow his phone to be unlocked But, he was stopped while crossing borders because one of his war gaming buddies had reported him to the authorities. He says, himself, he’s right wing and pro-Ukraine. What do you think would have happened to him if he had been a citizen of Ukraine and the situation were reversed, huh? Or any country at war, actually.
@Michael
https://ukranews.com/en/news/998716-poland-asks-united-states-for-nuclear-weapons
Happy now? What do you plan to do when after your Christian Armeggedon arrives and you get to go to heaven? Any fun plans? 72 black-eyed virgins. Oh, oops, sorry, wrong crazy millenarian cult.
By the way, you might enjoy one of my – and my late mother’s – favorite films by one of my favorite humorists, Albert Brooks: “Defending Your Life” with Meryl Streep
“Defending Your Life (1991) Official Trailer – Albert Brooks, Meryl Streep Movie HD”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEbLVD72hY
Hi, Sebastien.
OOOOOH!
I don’t know if you’ve ventured out into the street lately (If I were in NYC, I don’t think I would), but most people under 40 years old have tattoos — and most of them are women! Are they criminal leaders, outlaws, and rogues? I don’t think so. Even so, live in your fantasy if you want to.
I don’t know why you feel so guilty about the Ukraine. I didn’t bring them up. Peloni made a comment, that the UK should be tried for war crimes, and I pointed out that others have committed war crimes as well — including… CENSORED
At any rate, “UK” does not stand for “Ukraine”.
Enjoy your day 🙂
@Michael From the 2nd article you just posted:
@Michael
😀 No you didn’t. You didn’t read your own article before you posted it.
— Russian Times
https://www.rt.com/news/595809-islamic-world-israel-destruction/
Notice how RT (the quasi-official voice of Vladimir Putin) blames Israel for provoking the confrontation with Iran.
@Michael So, the UN report that both sides are doing the torturing is an imaginary rabbit, eh?
Hi, Sebastien
I just provided you with the testimony of a man who was arrested for havingt a tattoo, then beaten and electrocuted. There weren’t any Ukrainians in the room. You have brought them in, like Havey the Imaginary Rabbit.
As I’ve said often, “Don’t quit your day job”
BTW, the article I quoted was from the Moscow Times.
@Micheal
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-briefing-notes/2022/11/ukraine-russia-prisoners-war
Sebastian,
Several years ago, I read “A History of the Kovno Ghetto”. One photo in it that caught my attention, was of of a line of residents queuing up to collect their ration of horsemeat. They were smiling, and obviously good-naturedly joking with one another. You might have fit in well there, keeping up spirits.
Then, chances are, you would soon be dead, no joke!
Should some people be investigated for war crimes? What do you think “war crimes” are? getting a tattoo? or beating and electrocuting someone?
I’m not saying this to brow-beat you or anyone, just pointing out the irony of the present situation.
Concerning the breakfast menu, the point is that these everyday things don’t depend on what’s happening in Israel: Without American support, Israel is very, very much alone.
Ted and Peloni, I respect your rights to your own opinions; but if you’re looking longingly for the tender mercies of Vladimir Putin, I continue to advise against it:
I assume the two of you think you will escape such a fate: If Israel turns its fate over to the likes of Putin, YOU wouldn’t find yourself on the dark side of his favor! Then again, maybe you would… It could happen.
@Sebastien
Very good point.
@Michael
@Edgar
OK, I found a contemporary source, doesn’t get anymore contemporary than this, that clearly shows that Christianity is based on a linguiistic misunderstanding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTKDgrdvdg&t=100s
@Michael Might I suggest a repast of dry toast, stewed prunes and cream?
*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKT8QoboD1g&
* There was an Ephraim Kishon story with this premise and also the beginning of “North by Northwest” by Hitchcock. I think it’s an old Jewish joke.
10 APR 2024, ?ALERT: ISRAEL AND IRAN THREATEN NUCLEAR/ EMP STRIKES, GOLDS WW3 WARNING, FRANCE CUTS RUSSIA TALKS
https://www.brighteon.com/c008cb60-a399-4b73-b39b-b6b88f6e37a5
BTW, I’m just posting what is being said around the world. If there’s a nuclear war in Israel, I would like something like bacon, eggs and toast for breakfast, as usual. (Note the bacon: I’m not Jewish).. If it DOESN’T happen, I would like the same.
@Peloni Thank you for the references.
https://www.jpost.com/magazine/features/espionage-and-the-zionist-endeavor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wsJbMiMSH8
Israel should sue the UK for war crimes. Or if unable to do so for diplomatic reasons, the relatives.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/11/middle-east-crisis-live-us-urges-irans-neighbours-to-help-lower-tensions-with-israel-reports
Austin reiterated during the conversation with Gallant “ironclad US support for Israel’s defense in the face of growing threats from Iran and its regional proxies.”
https://twitter.com/DavidM_Friedman/status/1778063036273528974?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1778063036273528974%7Ctwgr%5E84218d67e93e75804ad11fc388f0d6cb8627da2f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishpress.com%2Fnews%2Fleft-vs-right%2Fanti-israel-activists-plan-riots-to-disrupt-global-economy%2F2024%2F04%2F11%2F
@Adam
It was one of the most secretly guarded relationships at the time, and the documentation which substantiates it has only recently been declassified. The author of note on this topic is Meir Zamir who has published many articles on the topic of the French-British-Israeli triangle which relates back to the betrayal of France by the British in Lebanon. The French saw the Jewish State as a convenient tool by which the French could confound the British in the Middle East and thereby prevent the British from further undermining the French colonies in the region. This would dovetail with the French desire of revenge for the British betrayal in Syria and Lebanon, and the Jews would secure the French possessions in Jerusalem.
The French had a moles in both the Syrian Foreign Ministry as well as the British Legation in Beirut, so they were well informed of the British intentions for both the Jewish State (as well as the French colonies) and they provided this inteligence to the Jews. They also arranged for the arms shipments I described as well as the trained Jewish fighters.
Among Zamir’s many writings, I think the most relevant articles are
Espionage and the Zionist endeavor
and
‘Bid’ for Altalena: France’s Covert Action in the 1948 War in Palestine
He also wrote a book with related material on this subject, “The Secret Anglo-French War in the Middle East: Intelligence and Decolonization, 1940-1948”
Could you recommend to me a book or article, or multiple publications, where I could learn more about these subjects?
@Sebastien
I wasn’t aware that Kramer’s book was online. Nice find. I found it to be a very important source.
@Adam
It came as a result of significant negotiations between the combined efforts of Mordechai Oren, Ehud Avriel, and Shmuel
Mikunis, though these men all worked somewhat at cross purposes to eachother. Mikunis gave a press conference in 1948, which followed an the publication of an article, in which he called for the mobilization of the Jewish youth of Eastern Europe to fight for Israel. This was met with significant response from the various Eastern European nations who were happy to be rid of their Jews. After much negotiations, training camps were erected in Czechosylvakia, and later expanded to Yugoslavia, Hungary and Bulgaria and Romania, but the training program prior to emigration was largely a complete failure beyond Czechoslovakia. In addition to training pilots as part of the origins of the IAF, tank crews were trained using old Soviet tanks as I describe previously.
These were Soviets, many coming from the Soviet Czeck Brigade which fought in the Battle of Kiev. Note that both the brigade which fought in WWII and the brigade which was formed to fight in Israel are referred to as “the Czech Brigade” so I will try to be clear in distinguishing between them. The brigade which came to fight in Israel was organized with the support and coordination of the Hagannah, so i will term it the Hagannah Czech Brigade to keep it clear, and the Soviet force which fought in WWII is sometimes referenced as Svoboda’s Army, Svoboda having formed and led the unit in WWII, so I will reference this group as such, for clarity. The commanding officer of the Haganah Czeck Brigade, Antonin Sohor, had been one of the the second in command from the Svoboda’s Army. He coordinated with the Hagannah and went to Israel to meet directly with Ben Gurion to negotiate specifics. Among the negotiated issues was that the emigrating Jews would receive territory on which to live following the war. Kibbutz Kerem Ma’ha’ral was founded in Rosh Pina where most of the members of the Haganah Czech Brigade were settled. Sohor returned to the Soviet Union after the war, following which he was invovled in an auto accident and died (some say he was killed for having fallen out of favor).
Yes, BG was suspicious of everyone, while also covetous of his position and power to the detriment of the nation, as you are aware. It was in the same time that BG disbanded the Palmach that he was dealing with Sohor and the determination to break up the unit among the rest of the army.
Both. Sohor for instance was not Jewish, but many from Svoboda’s Army were, and I believe that most from the Haganah Czech Brigade were.
Oren, Avriel and Mikunis, mentioned above, were acting without official support of the Israeli govt, while they were in connection with the Haganah. Nahum Shadmi, the leader of the Haganah for Eastern Europe was personally involved in the Czech training operation and the attempt to expand it to other nations, and as I noted, BG was personally involved in the matter at a later stage.
There is not a good source on the web of which I am aware, to be honest. You can gain a brief intro from the following:
https://www.jwmww2.org/The_Czech_Brigade
Oren wrote a memoir but it is in French, “Prisonnier Politique a Prague”, but note that he is particularly disparaging of the significant role played by the others, especially Mikunis whose input was quite important.
Ze’ev Schiff wrote an article in May 1968 in Haaretz on the subject.
Arnold Kramer wrote “The Forgotten Friendship – Israel and the Soviet Bloc”.
These are the related sources which I am aware of, but no doubt there are others.
Haven’t found it so far, but I did find this: “The final behind the scenes negotiator in the Haganah’s efforts to obtain the critically needed weapons was the secretary of the Israeli Communist Party (Maki) Schmuel Makunis. Whlle officially disavowed by Ben-Gurion in order to avoid any encouraging indications to the Communist leaders of Eastern Europe that a Socialist revolution in the future government of Israel might be in the offing, Mikunis made unquestionable contributions to the Czech and Russian decision (sic) to aid the Haganah. “p. 74
“From 1945 onward, Soviet Influence on Czechoslovakia’s economic policies gained continued strength, marking at the same time, a steady decline of Czechoslovak political independence which culminated in their complete submission to Moscow.” P. 71. Arnold Krammer “The Forgotten Friendship. 1947-1953.
https://www.scribd.com/document/545257237/Krammer-Arnold-The-Forgotten-Friendship
Loftus says that Czechoslovakia did it without the Soviet Union permission and was punished for it but I am skeptical of Loftus. He makes assertions that are contradicted by other sources and everything is sourced anonymously or through secondary sources.
@peloni. I know about some of this but not all of this. In particular, I did not know about the “brigade” of soldiers that Russia trained intended to send to Israel. Were these Soviet troops or Haganah men? Jews or non-Jews? Who in Israel approved this unconventional arrangement? I understand why B-G would be suspicious of this arrangement. But someone in Israel must have initially authorized it. Who would that be?
I was also unaware that the arms and men on the Altalena was only the first of four ships with arms and men on them that the French intended to send to Israel. I am of course aware of B.G.s idiotic, self-destructive order to fire on the Altalena and to fire on its crew, including Begin.
Could you recommend to me a book or article, or multiple publications, where I could learn more about these subjects?
@Adam
That’s what I always thought but I read somewhere recently that the Soviet Union actually send military experts and supplies as well. In any case, it’s kind of a distinction without a difference, isn’t it?
@Adam
Just some added context to the issue regarding the Soviet arms sales.
Indeed this is true, but in the face of the arms embargo raised against the Jewish state, even while the invading Arabs nations faced no such embargo and also had the British armed, trained and officered Arab Legion, the fact that the Soviet Block provided the sale of arms to Israel provides a distinction which we should see as a pertinent distinction among the nations, which was only superseded by the covert efforts of the French to supply Israel with arms and trained men during Operation Bid. (You are no doubt aware that the French intended to covertly supply the Jewish State with 4 large ships filled with every form of military supply and munitions as well as 1,000 French trained Jews per ship (volunteers from the DP camps). This was unfortunately and prematurely ended with the exposure of the first shipment due to Ben Gurion’s duplicity and infamy which resulted in the Altalena slaughter, and consequently the loss of the Old City in Jerusalem.)
Also, the deal between the Czechs and Israel was not only related to the sale of arms, as they also trained a brigade of troops which were shipped to Israel. The brigade had been trained to operate a tank which was interned to be sent with them, but due to a press release exposing the existence of the Soviet trained brigade, they were forced to embark to Israel in haste, and the tank was unfortunately left behind. As a side note, the brigade was intended to fight as a solitary unit, but the Israelis did not trust having what was essentially an elite force in the army which was sourced from the Soviets. So it was agreed that the Soviet unit would instead be integrated into the Israeli ranks.
“GAZA — After months of intense negotiation with the Biden administration, Hamas has at last agreed to release zero hostages in exchange for wiping every Jew off the face of the planet.
President Biden hailed the agreement as a massive breakthrough, with Hamas having rejected previous offers to exterminate only some of the Jews. “First we asked for a few American hostages in exchange for freeing into Gaza a thousand terrorists hellbent on killing Jews,” explained lead negotiator Tom Rogers. “Boy, did we feel silly when Hamas explained it had already murdered the hostages. It was so embarrassing! So, we offered to free the terrorists anyways and send Hamas $10 million for the trouble, but they said no. Tough negotiators, those terrorists. Anyhow, finally we settled on wiping the Jewish people off the face of the planet in exchange. It’s a win-win.”
We finally have a deal,” announced President Biden in front of a “Death To America” banner. “They said it couldn’t be done, but Uncle Joe has no quit in him. Everyone had to give some things up, but that’s what compromise is all about – Hamas gave up pretending to have hostages, and we gave up the nation of Israel along with the well-being of every Jewish person on the planet. Pretty square deal, eh Michigan?”
At publishing time, Biden had reportedly commissioned a poll in Michigan to determine how many votes each hostage’s life was worth.”
https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/breaking-hamas-offers-to-release-zero-hostages-in-exchange-for-all-jews-being-wiped-from-the-face-of-the-earth
Some American Jews went so far as to “loot’ abandoned U.S. military supplies that were “left over” from World War II, classified as “war surplus,” and that were slated by the DoD tbe melted down for scrap metal buried in weapons “”graves.” The American Jewish looters, some of whom had connections to organized crime, meaning that they had experience in smuggling things, succeeded in smuggling these “looted” weapons to Israel, where they proved very useful to the Haganah. Some of these smugglers had connections to the Mafia. But the Italian-American Mafia bosses made no attempt to critizicise these activities by their Jewish “associates” and did not order them to stop. It is ironic that the American Mafia was more sympathetic to Israel than the Truman administration. The Mafia was
@Adam
Give it some time to process
Although it is true that the Truman administration refused to give Israel any assistance in its War of Inspendence beyond “de facto recognition,” American private citizens did collect very large amounts of money for Israel that eventually did find its way to Israel and helped pay for the Czech arms deal and other Israel arms acquisition programs. The members of a n American Jewish comitte that organized and directed the collection of money for these weapons and some of the weapons themselves, and succeeded in smugling them to Israel, were eventually arrested, tried and convicted of violating the arm embargo. However, they received light sentences, and were able to resume their careers and retain ownership of their businesses when released from jail. They all wore their service to Israel as a badge of honor, and their social status within the American Jewish community remained high.
Ted, my comment a few minutes ago about Soviet aid to Israel during its war of independence has fallen into electronic oblivion. In fact, two posts. Could you please retrieve them in this space. Thanks.
A few brief corrections to Sebastien’s post about Soviet help to Israel during Israel’s War of Independence. Russia did not directly give Israel any assistance during this period except for diplomatic recognition. It permitted its ally Czechoslovakia to sell Israel (technically before Israel’s declaration of Indpendence, the Jewish Agency) a significant amount of weapons. But the Czech’s made Israel pay cash on the barrelhead for these weapons. No loan, no credit plan, no installments. In my opinion, a sale of weapons for cash up front is not the same as military aid.
https://www.memri.org/reports/un-secretary-general-antonio-guterres-praises-al-azhar-sheikh-ahmad-al-tayyeb-who-glorified
https://palwatch.org/page/35011
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bya4wlegr
https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-iran-flooding-west-bank-with-arms-to-foment-unrest-against-israel/
It’s not that the U.S. has been a fickle friend. Rather, America being, after all, a multi-ethnic, multicultural country, it would behoove us to see things as they are in a relativist light.
Mike Nichols/Elaine May
“Adultery”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef7Ox82lcqY