By Ted Belman
From now on comments on every post must relate to the content of the post.
Comments that don’t relate to the post must go here.
Any person who contravenes this demand will be put on moderation. Also their offending comment will be trashed.
The reason for this demand is so that people who want to read comments which pertain to the post, don’t have to wade through the chatter.
Everyone will be happier.
READER-
My understanding of Israpundit is that free speech is dominant. I don’t understand why your posts are grabbed up, I’ve never seen anything objectionable in them. Disputable yes, but nothing more.
The machine programme must be fixed to US neuter gender standards, in other words Democrat censorship.
A different programme installed could fix it. But I’m sure Ted has tried several over time.
They all seem to have some flaw.
Peloni is like a goalkeeper with a dozen balls shooting at him at the same time, and he is the only one standing between.
And it seems to have intensified since his appointment.
Query to everyone in this thread discussion of “Zeitlin:” are we talking here about the Talmudic scholar Zeitlin, who denied the authenticity of the Dead Sea Scrolls and considered them to be modern forgeries? I rermember reading about him in the book Testaments of Time. by Leo Deuel, in his chapter about the Scrolls. I remember the title of one of Zeitlin’s articles on the subject was “The propaganda of the scrolls.”
SEB-
What do you think-so far???
@Edgar Completed volumes 1 and 2 of the Zeitlin. Starting volume 3.
Arutz7 just reported that the
pm is in hospital for a week having his benign enlarged prostate removed under full anesthesia.
I suspect it’s more than that, maybe not benign, as a very effective drug called Proscar is specifically used which effectively reduces the enlargement back to normal. Just looked it up
@peloni
When I tried adding my short TEST post which disappeared and which you restored (from 7:49pm Dec. 24) to my correction post (from 12:50pm Dec. 25)
THE UPDATE WAS REJECTED.
@Sebastien
It’s back.
@peloni
A CORRECTION:
The following sentence is INCORRECT:
– Part 3 was free of those terms and it posted immediately.
THE CORRECT VERSION SHOULD READ:
I was NOT implying that some intelligence agency was inserting question marks in my posts.
I was trying to find an explanation for the explicitly POLITICAL/IDEOLOGICAL nature of the “moderation”, and my explanations are not as farfetched as some may think.
My TEST comment that DISAPPEARED and that you RESTORED:
My TEST comment that POSTED right away starts with and has the doctored up terms:
@peloni
I apologize for any possible typos.
On the contrary, it was being recognized only TOO well, and only certain terms caused my comments to go into moderation.
If those terms were NOT present, like in the split-off Part 3 of the long, rejected comment, then that part would post with no problems – this led me to try testing the terms with a completely different comment.
Don’t try to make me look like a fool.
I have no idea how these systems work (and I am too lazy to try and find out) but if the moderation (or, more precisely, censorship) is automatic and built into the system, then it means that the system was built to certain specs that cannot be changed by the website owner, and if these unchangeable specs include rejecting certain political terms wholesale, then it would be plausible that this feature had to be requested by someone (who?) as part of the system’s design.
If the censorship is NOT automatic and is in full control of the website owner, then it reflects either the owner’s personal ideology, or there are certain political/security guidelines that the owner either must follow or s/he uses them because s/he is afraid that the website will appear suspicious to the authorities and s/he will get into trouble with them
OR
the security services upon scanning the website find some comments that look suspicious to them and request the website owner to disclose the personal data of the person who posted the comment(s).
This is not as incredible as it might seem – the latter happened a few years ago to Arutz Sheva, and the owner complied with the request.
I TESTED MY COMMENTS WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TEXT THAN THE LONG ONE WHICH KEPT DISAPPEARING.
Read my TEST comment again (the one from 7:52pm Dec. 24.), THIS WAS THE COMMENT I RAN MY TEST WITH, NOT THE PREVIOUS LONG ONE which you had to rescue.
There was absolutely NOTHING hidden in the old long text which went into “moderation” (which was not done – moderation means reviewing a comment in a timely manner and either approving it or not (if it NOT approved, the commenter is notified by the moderator’s comment) or in the new text (which I used to test my hypothesis with), or in any comment that I have ever posted on Israpundit
BUT
several terms related to the Cold War period certainly were present in the last few comments that disappeared.
There is no need, as I reposted it successfully just by treating the questionable Cold War terms as one would treat swear words or other terms one wants to include in a comment but which are not normally allowed to be used online.
After I split the long comment into 3 shorter pieces and posted them ONCE, the Part 2 piece that “disappeared” was the one that had the “non-kosher” terms (I decided not to waste my time posting Part 3 which also contained those terms), this is why I decided to run a test with a different comment.
There is a remote possibility that the system malfunctioned but there seems to be “too much method to its madness” to paraphrase a quote from Shakespeare.
@Peloni My response to Edgar froze and disappeared as I was editing it.
@Edgar any word you don’t know: type the name of the word followed by “meaning” without quotes and hit enter. I find this useful for the Zeitlin. All the specialized dictionaries have been entered into the search engines rendering print dictionaries obsolete. My use of the word, “grok” is just me being cute but it’s actually in the Oxford dictionary database. It was popular in the 60’s and early ’70s. Its from the science fiction novel, “Stranger in a Strange Land” about an earthling raised by Martians, comes back and sparks the counter culture but it was written before the 60s counterculture but those passages were censored until after because the publisher thought it was too weird and the public wouldn’t accept it. Bit of arcane trivia. My teenage sister used it all the time when I was little. 😀
@Edgar
@Reader
So well described. I am well acquainted with the emoji world due to a family member of the younger generation and her near obsessive compulsive use of them, forcing me to try and keep a steady grip on what it is she is texting me with these sometimes obscure images. The younger set are somewhat saddled with a limited grasp of history and political norms, and are instead often backfilling these deficits with some rather interesting Newspeak techniques such as emojis, even as I am told that emojis are now “so last century”.
@Reader
I rescued your test post, which does NOT contain any ‘?’.
As I have noted, I can not grasp what it might be that you are typing which is not being recognized, which is why the ‘?” are added to the moderated posts. Additionally, with all due respect, I have to admit that your notion that some intelligence agency finds your comments to be too relevant and worrisome to publicly share, and is therefore targeting your comments by inserting ‘?’ and then deleting them lies somewhere between confusing and amusing. I say this, even as I find many of your comments to be too relevant and worrisome to ignore. But there are easier ways for a sensoring intel agency to deal with such purveyors of sensitive truths than to selectively delete or alter the posts being posted, such as simply blocking your access to post anything, something which has been done to millions of people around the world, but not to a single person on Israpundit.
One point I will share with you is that when you post a comment which has been moderated over and over again, you challenge the system which thinks your comment is spam with further evidence of it being spam with the repeated posts of the same content. I suspect that this is why your test post was also moderated. You might try re-posting it now that I have deleted all the multiple posts of yours which were being moderated to see if this was indeed a possible cause of your issues.
In any event, I look forward to your next post, and hopefully it will not be met with question marks or moderation.
READER-
That’s a hell of a lot of kids cartoons. Does a code book come with them??………………Never mind I’m an adult of sound mind and would never use them.
Surprising what passes as “normal” these days.
Thanks for the info…..!!
@Edgar
These are emojis (you can copy and paste them – any number at once):
https://getemoji.com/
@Edgar
Whether you like it or not, these terms are now censored out by the system.
This must have happened fairly recently. and this is a purely ideological, Cold War Weapon.
This kills every discussion on this site that would involve the history of Russia BEFORE the you-know-what (the U$$R) fell apart.
Before this test, I tried to post the terms below in their original, undoctored form – the comment DISAPPEARED.
If Peloni cares to restore it, it will be filled with question marks.
The follow upon the forbidden terms (doctored up, below):
The US’ accursed adversary’s terms:
the U$$R
the S#o~v#iet U@n@io#n
S$o-v*ie^t S~o~c*ia&l%is@t Republic
A question:
Does this censorship have something to do with someone’s security services?
If so, it may not be safe to post comments or to discuss things online.
The US’ accursed adversary’s terms:
the USSR
the Soviet Union
Soviet Socialist Republic
Emoji test:
[?]
[? ? ? ? ?]
: – )
: – |
: – (
; – )
OK, the system does replace emojis (I wish you could see them, they are so cute!) with question marks but I never use emojis.
I will try the U$$R terms in my next test
READER-
Indeed it DOES seem like censorship, but I prefer Peloni’s puzzled suggestion. NEVER have seen anything from you meriting extreme measures.
Those “forbidden ” terms you mention , seem to me to be quite inocuous, harmless, even much more so than many a red-hot post I’ve seen on this site.
I joined israpundit almost at it’s beginning but, insulted because a harmless post was “in moderation” , I left for years being totally offended at the censorship never before encountered on any site I’d visited.
SEB-
I don’t understand any of this, have to guess. for instance “grokked” the context suggests “grasped” “knew”, but who knows…..? I am an early 20th cent relic re computers.
Ae emojis those stupid looking cartoon faces…….?? If so, childhood stuff, not worthy of adults.?????
@Ted, Peloni Great primer. Seen half of it so far. You could do worse than to add this to your educational archive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTG0KpbhFBc&t=1575s
@Edgar, Reader Peloni knows the codes for emojis that work in Israpundit. He posted them here once when I asked. Problem for me was that the only one that wasn’t a long complicated string of letters and symbols was the one for a laughing face – which I used a lot, you may recall – it’s just a colon followed by a capital D. Israpundit is a page on WordPress which still seems to be using its own version of DOS. Remember DOS? before Windows but copying Apple which in turn was copying the original system both plagiarized from, was it HP? No icons to click on, just strings of code to memorize and type, for example “block quote” with the little crescendo/decrescendo arrows on either side. you see.
@Edgar
This is what I said:
What was happening for hours – my response to you kept disappearing until I decided to post just a part of it first, and this part, by accident, did not have the terms referring to the S###tU###n before it fell apart and became a Russian Federation plus a bunch of independent states including Ukraine.
This accident helped me understand what went wrong, and I filled the forbidden words with special characters and reposted the rest of my comment right away.
If you use those forbidden terms without messing them up first, like people do with swear words, your comment will not go through, and if the “non-kosher” comment is rescued, it will be filled with lots of question marks).
There is censorship built into the ISRAPUNDIT system, it is not the fault of my computer.
EMOJIS are those pictures of little round yellow faces with different facial expressions.
People often use them in their online posts or in their emails.
READER-
I don’t understand your post down the page about treating emojis as swear words.
I see plenty of 4 letter words when a certain person expresses her feelings in her post
What is an emoji??
@Edgar Yes. I grokked that. They said Israel was the lesser of two evils. Question is, would it be good for the Jews to acquire more territory with a “friendly” population or would it dilute the Jewish character of the state further, as well as strategic pros and cons.
SEB-
The Druze you refer to just added 2 plus 2 and came up with 4. They are covering themselves.
In the fairly distant past I recall that they wanted to loin up with their Syrian relatives -as Syrians.
READER-
My post was a kind of synopsis of the modern Ukraine with a brief reference to what I believe drives them
Much of my Cossack “knowledge” comes from one of m books, “Taras Bulba”, by Gogol, who also wrote the brilliant satirical–humourous book “Dead Souls” I read te latter 3-4 times.
In real fact I think that they are a agglomeration of a large variety of accrued nomads and displaced peoples, like for instance, The Khazars.
****It looks as if your computer has developed an incurable itch, like a massive attack of mosquito bites.****
THIS IS CENSORSHIP!!!
After I messed up the terms describing you-know-who when it was you-know-what, my comment has posted!
I did have to remove several question marks but very few.
Talk about freedom of thought, expression, opinion, etc.!
That is only for the Nazis, Hitler’s Germany, antisemitic rants, and other civilized topics worthy of discussion.
@Edgar
Part 1
The idea of the U$$R or the $-o!v-i-e!t U-n-i-o-n belongs to L$e-n-i$n.
The Russian E%m-p-i-r-e had within it numerous ethnic minorities, just as the Russian Federation has now.
L%e-n%i-n hated the “great chauvinism” of the Russian E%m-p-i-r-e, and his idea was to give self-rule ($-o-v-i-e-t R-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-s) to the largest ethnic minorities, and he was convinced that if they have their own states, and these states belong to a strong union, who would want to leave this union?
This required cutting up the whole land into the new republics with the newly created borders.
For the smaller minorities, there were (created later, maybe?) autonomous regions and autonomous areas.
Part 2
What they now call “Ukraine” was created as a new Republic by adding some of the historically Russian lands to the more or less Ukrainian speaking lands which were not under Polish rule in the early 20s (when Poland became independent, it grabbed what is now Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, and, possibly, a chunk of Lithuania)) which were returned to the U-$$-R in 1939.
Once those Russian lands were added to form the Ukrainian $$R (S*o*v-i-e-t S@o@c-i-a-l-i-s-t R-e#p-u#b-l-i-c), there was a program of “ukrainization” headed by – wait for it! K-a-g-a~n~o-v-i-c-h – who took his job very seriously.
Before that there was no Ukrainian state, no matter how proud the population might have been there (BTW, Cossacks were Russian, Ukrainian, etc., and some were even Jewish (very few)).
@Reader
There is something in your post which the system doesn’t recognize. I can’t say what it is.
@Peloni
I use plain text ONLY – NO clip art or emojis.
The system inserts the question marks on its own.
Anyway, looking at the text, you can see that there could be no way anyone could use as many emojis in the text as there are question marks in it.
Another question is – has the system basically prohibited my participation in the forum today?
The only comments of mine it lets through are the ones addressed to you about my comments not posting.
Is it censorship?
The only part of my long comment that posted successfully is the one which has no names of Russia from before it was renamed as Russian Federation.
It would be very odd if the system treated those names on the same level as swear words.
@Reader
It isn’t too long.
The question marks represent clip art or emojis. Israpundit doesn’t recognize the code for these and i think this is why it is goingtomoderation. If you delete all but text and numbers in your post it will not go to moderation and there should be no question marks.
@Ted Belman
@Peloni
Something weird is happening with your system.
I’ve been trying to post the same comment for several hours without success.
Finally, Peloni retrieved it, filled with question marks.
I decided to split it into 3 parts, in case it was too long, even though other people successfully post very long comments.
One part posted, again, with question marks, and I edited them out.
The next part disappeared.
Please, fix whatever needs to be fixed.
I seem to be the only one it is happening to, and nothing has changed on my side, technology-wise.
@Edgar
Part 3
Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians differ by language only and the languages differ mostly by pronunciation, and differ “ethnically” by mixing “at the edges” with different neighboring peoples (Ukrainians being closer to Turkey), Russians – closer to Sweden in the northwest or to the Middle Asia peoples in the southeast, etc.
Western Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine are almost like two different countries.
Western Ukraine was under Austria-Hungary, Poland, etc., there are still whole Hungarian speaking areas there which Hungary, of course, wishes to reclaim, and Poland is still dreaming about the lands it lost there.
Western Ukraine has been used by the West against Russia for a couple of hundred years, at least.
In 2014 Ukraine attacked the areas which at the time only wanted a Russian speaking autonomy inside Ukraine, but the military invasion by the government ultimately caused them to secede and join the Russian Federation.
@peloni
My rescued comment looks horrible because it is now full of question marks which have the effect of mocking everything I wrote.
It is not the first time it happened.
Could you, please, post it again WITHOUT those question marks and delete the one which is full of question marks?
I tried posting it again, and it disappeared again.
Could you check the moderation algorithm – it seems to be a bit McCarthyistic.
@dreuveni
@Reader
@keelie
I have rescued your comments. Not sure why they were moderated.
“BUT there are facts, which show that they are an invaded nation. And regardless of my personal feelings, Victim Nations tn these days have inalienable RIGHTS.”
They have NO rights and my arguments are many including:
As I suggested I wouldn’t have called it an SMO. It was an invasion. But a poor one. Putin et Al have certain weaknesses
I personally am not beholden to the bourgeoisie for anything. After the German Holocaust of the Jews end Germany. There must be repercussions for actions. End of.
Look at October 7. Again END OF … NO MORE PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS
Instead look at sorry state of… Israelis calling for a truce with Palestinians who carried out the October 7.
As far as I know from memory the victors of the October Revolution recognised Ukraine in 1917-18. The result was…200,000 Jews murdered by many pogroms in Ukraine
There was still enough life left in the bloodstream of the October Revolution for Trotsky to defeat the dross and have the Pogromists shot by legal process.
Fact to the nasty rubbish of this present world the Rafaels of israpundit the Jews of Ukraine joined wholeheartedly with Trotsky, Lenin and their MARXISM! In the period 1918 to 1921!
I do wish they had went further and expunged Ukraine and it’s hated name for good and ever.
But Russia was INDEED a poor country and the British and American imperial powers were closing in to get their revenge.
Ukraine should have ended for good after the Pogrom Movement of 1918 to 1921
That would have been the end of the matter.
But for that a Trotsky undefeated had to be.
But as they say…”It is never too late”.
@peloni
Please, retrieve my comment – the latest version if there is more than one.
Thank you.
@Edgar
The idea of the USSR or the Soviet Union belongs to Lenin.?
The Russian Empire had within it numerous ethnic minorities, just as the Russian Federation ?has now.?
Lenin hated the “great chauvinism” of the Russian Empire, and his idea was to give self-rule ??(Soviet Republics) to the largest ethnic minorities, and he was convinced that if they have their ?own states, and these states belong to a strong union, who would want to leave this union??
This required cutting up the whole land into the new republics with the newly created borders.?
For the smaller minorities, there were (created later?) autonomous regions and autonomous ?areas. ?
What they now call “Ukraine” was created as a new Republic by adding some of the historically ?Russian lands to the more or less Ukrainian speaking lands which were not under Polish rule in ?the early 20s (when Poland became independent, it grabbed what is now Western Ukraine, ?Western Belarus, and, possibly, a chunk of Lithuania)) which were returned to the USSR in ??1939.?
Once those Russian lands were added to form the Ukrainian SSR (Soviet Socialist Republic), ?there was a program of “ukrainization” headed by – wait for it! Kaganovich – who took his job ?very seriously.?
Before that there was no Ukrainian state, no matter how proud the population might have been ?there (BTW, Cossacks were Russian, Ukrainian, etc., and some were even Jewish (very few)).?
Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians differ by language only and the languages differ mostly ?by pronunciation, and differ “ethnically” by mixing “at the edges” with different neighboring ?peoples (Ukrainians being closer to Turkey), Russians – closer to Sweden in the northwest or to ?the Middle Asia peoples in the southeast, etc.?
Western Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine are almost like two different countries.?
Western Ukraine was under Austria-Hungary, Poland, etc., there are still whole Hungarian ?speaking areas there which Hungary, of course, wishes to reclaim, and Poland is still dreaming ?about the lands it lost there.?
? ?
Western Ukraine has been used by the West against Russia for a couple of hundred years, at ?least.?
In 2014 Ukraine attacked the areas which at the time only wanted a Russian speaking autonomy ?inside Ukraine, but the military invasion by the government ultimately caused them to secede ?and join the Russian Federation.?
@Edgar Actually, the Donbas and Luhansk republics seceded from this phony gerrymandered Ukraine and joined the Russian Federation. The Ukraine invaded Russia, actually. Also Transnistria is historically Hungarian. Only western Ukraine is Ukrainian. The Ukrainian state is just another imperialist construct like Syria. And the borders got changed continually in history. It’s never been an independent state before the fall of the Soviet Union. And Chelmieniki wanted to be annexed by Russia. So anachronistic. I sat next to an unveiled woman from Saudi Arabia on the bus who told me that most of it was just a bunch of warring tribes before the 20th century, not part of any state. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, “It’s Sykes-Picot all over again.”
By the way, I just finished ” The Five” by Jabotinsky. All about intellectuals some of whom are Jewish in Odessa in the early 1900s. Usually classified as a Russian novel which is how it reads.
How ironic that they’re building a park and naming it after Golda Meir in some Ukrainian city. They want Israeli weapons while they vote to condemn Israel, as does Russia, and give out medals named after Nazis and have neo-Nazis in key positions who are leaving the Jews for later as they focus on wiping out Russians.
Not that I’m a fan of Russia. Putin just hinted that rootless cosmpolitans are ruining the Russian Orthodox church. Our people need to emigrate from both at the earliest opportunity. “A plague on both their houses.”
Incidentally, I also just finished volume one of the Zeitlin and am in the middle of the other 2 volumes. Very interesting. Seems to know what he is talking about. Explains contradictions between accounts in different books by Josephus. The Dead Sea Scrolls controversy is minor but it explains why he thinks there is no record of Essene writings. Says the church preserved those of the Apocolypts.
FELIX,
I’m not surprised that Ukraine hates Russia. Look back at Ukraine history, the centre of the very proud Cossack Hetmans, the storied sweeps of Cossacks in action, and above all their resentment of any outside interference.
They regarded themselves as a conquered People under the USSR. And also, are ethnically separate from the Russian peoples.
I’m not advocating for them by any means, as I keep well in my mind the horrifying pogroms which were mainly in Ukraine slaughtering hundreds of thousands helpless Jews.
As far as I’m concerned if there were to be NO Ukraine, I wouldn’t blink an eye.’
BUT there are facts, which show that they are an invaded nation. And regardless of my personal feelings, Victim Nations tn these days have inalienable RIGHTS.
Sounds like fake news to me. Anybody else?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-german-xmas-market-attacker-is-saudi-anti-islamist-who-shared-pro-israel-content/
@Laura
This is because understanding certain things needs an approach that differs from viewing them as a kids’ fight in a sandbox, or as a bar brawl, or whose side we are on as during a sports game.
EDGAR G.
“I totally agree as “a man in the street” with no political preference.It was RUSSIA which invaded Ukraine, not vice versa, thus THEY are the aggressors, Ukraine the victims.
Incontrovertible.”
Yes. Russia did indeed invade Ukraine. But not from the start not near aggressively enough.
I argue that this invasion was inadequate and has served to open up masses of people to great suffering.
But I am the opposite to you…I want this Ukrainian outfit to be demolished asap
And I don’t see Trotsky or Lenin there, in fact to emphasize that, Trotsky’s books are banned as at present or at least not discussed.
And even good students like Jacques Baud are silent on this Trotsky issue.
Ukraine in so far as it has entered into conflict with Russia has done so on two things mainly…on the basis of Russia hatred which is a racist type thing, and as a proxy force. As a proxy to be at the forefront of destroying Russia and of the open and a proxy for the stated aims of America, Britain, the EU, and NATO.
I recognise the evil that this represents and cannot abide that Russia is thus attacked in this way.
It raises the biggest of issues.
America has its Monroe Doctrine but seems to make fun of Russia which insists no nukes on our Russian borders.
How shameful is that.
But the Russian story is not being adequately told. The leadership on the Russian side has made mistakes.
Especially Lenin did not act on his own. He argued for what he wanted …to win a majority in his party.
This was changed as Stalin gained more power. But the democracy In the party works best.
This I think is what the present Putin regime is not based on. The democracy way of Lenin was superior.
What might Trotsky have done? You can hazard a very good answer by knowing what policies he proposed to fight Fascism, and not least to defeat Franco. The pivotal Spanish Civil War.
The Russian people like Putin are not followers, yet, of Lev Davidovic. But will eventually have to be because their hatred for Banderaism has grown
As an aside…The Ukrainian side is not popular in Ireland at all. Especially not popular with youth who hate Islam.
LAURA-
I totally agree as “a man in the street” with no political preference.
It was RUSSIA which invaded Ukraine, not vice versa, thus THEY are the aggressors, Ukraine the victims.
Incontrovertible.
Just read a very interesting text which shows that Turkey is ALWAYS a “turkey”…
During WW2 the Turks deprived their Jewish Citizens abroad of their citizenship, leaving them open to being scooped up by the Gestapo et al.
In Turkey there were pogroms we’ve never heard about as well as several thousands of Turkish Jews collected and handed over to Nazis to end in concentration camps and worse.
They are on record as being the only “neutral” in history which has turned so critically against it’s minority citizens. Are they any different today???
Complete and utter bullshit. I’ll never understand the support Putin and Russia get from conservatives, least of all Israel supporters.
Grist for the standup comic’s mill? “Hey, some of my best friends are Druze.” “Funny, you don’t look Druish.” 😀
@Laura
What Medvedev means is:
This is from me about Ukraine::
Ukraine was in very good shape in the USSR compared to where it is now.
Historically, Ukraine has not been able to function on its own and to have its own state other than when it was under or with Russia.
Soon after the Soviet Union ceased to exist, Ukraine was taken over by the Western Ukrainian nationalists who dream about the way things were in WWII when they were occupied by the Germans, and in that part of Ukraine the hatred of anything Russian is almost inborn (the Polish influence).
Only acceptable outcome for Putin: Ukraine’s complete destruction
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-only-acceptable-outcome-putin-120000144.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&segment_id=DY_VTO_CORE&ncid=crm_19908-1475736-20241220-0&bt_user_id=UnJqRWknihpZfQjxBaqFqK6UWk4xlBZwIfoMIQOlTnghS5TMa%2Fdd7%2BlkV8rE5od4&bt_ts=1734708716765
So much for this war being about a territorial conflict or Russia’s imagined NATO threat to itself.