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  1. @dreuveni
    If you would like, you can repost your comment under the correct article and I will delete it from the comments under Block’s and my essay on Israeli administrative detention.

  2. President Donald J. Trump has announced his nomination of Dan Bongino, former special agent for the U.S. Secret Service and conservative political commentator, as Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

    OSINTdefender

  3. @Edgar Let me rephrase:

    @EdgarYesDuolingohasbeguntestingmetoreadletterswithoutvowelsoccasionally.

    “Look Ma, no hands!” or in this case, no vowels (or in this case, no gears or brakes while riding a bicycle) 😀

  4. Anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head.”

    Winston S. Churchill

    Actually, I was 40, myself.

    (Actually, it was originally John Adams but he didn’t use 40

    “A Boy of Fifteen Who Is Not a Democrat is Good for Nothing, and He Is No Better Who Is a Democrat at Twenty”)

  5. SEB-

    Well all I can say ,is that you’ve wrung out and hung up to dry all kinds of 40’s that exist. As for the Matthew mention of Jesus and the desert, AND Satan with his demons etc…not to forget his temptation to jump from the highest Temple point……..WELL………..??????

    All religion beginnings have a time of pretend trial…….Isaac and the providential ram… Buddha and his trials……Sikhism and Nanek asking 3 men to lay down their lives to prove their Sikh solidity, and saved because Nanek was only testing their Faith. And many more.
    .

    Re; your learning the Alphabet. (literally Alef Bet=Hebrew) you may be interested to know that Hebrew originally was written without vowels, and in fact even today, Israeli newspapers and writings have NONE.
    On Arut 7 some news items are also offered in small print at bottom L in Hebrew.

    Torah Scrolls are written without vowels or signs called Nikkudim (Nikud)”The came in to existence sometime in the early Middle ages I think, what the Scholars decided to regularize grammar, and system. etc.
    They help those like you who are learning, and most prayer books which have English on the opposite page have these vowels.

    But I have seen chumashim with NO vowels or signs, in fact I have a complete Torah somewhere which is only script.

    Strangely it was given to me by our mext door neighbour Rev Johnson, a Christian Minister and rector of the nearby Church. He used it in his studies.

  6. One more:

    The Temptations of The Buddha and Jesus of Nazareth as Metaphor
    On the night he was enlightened, the Buddha sat under a Bodhi tree and sat in meditation, vowing to stay seated until he reached some understanding about the nature of reality. While he sat in deep meditation entering the four jhana states, he was visited by Mara, a demon celestial king who came to tempt him. Mara brought his three daughters, Greed, Hatred, and Delusion, and dazzled the Buddha with temptations of beauty and pleasure if he would only just give in and take it. I’ve heard it say in some places, The Buddha stated, “I see you, Mara!” And with that Mara retreated. The Buddha had overcome this demon. He was now the enlightened one.

    Similarly 500 years later or so, Jesus of Nazareth spent 40 days and 40 nights in the Judean desert after his baptism and was visited by Satan. Like Mara before the Buddha, Satan attempted to tempt Jesus with three requests, including tempting to make bread out of stones to satisfy his hunger, to jump off a cliff to be caught by the angels, and bow before Satan to have all the kingdoms of the world, which are similar to the Buddha’s temptation by Mara. But Jesus resisted as well and left the desert to begin his ministry.

    The similarities between the two stories are undeniable. Two of the greatest religious figures of our time are visited by demons or devils and are tempted…

    https://buddhistttherapist.medium.com/the-temptations-of-the-buddha-and-jesus-of-nazareth-as-metaphor-4f30f0b78f19

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  7. @Edgar, Tanna

    n many religions, the number 40 is often associated with a period of testing, trial, purification, or transformation, most notably represented in the Bible by the 40 days Jesus spent fasting in the desert, signifying a time of preparation before his ministry; this is also reflected in the Christian practice of Lent, which lasts 40 days.
    Key points about the significance of 40:
    Testing and Preparation: Across different faiths, 40 often represents a significant period of hardship or spiritual development before a new phase begins.
    Judaism: In the Hebrew Bible, the Israelites wandered in the desert for 40 years.
    Christianity: Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights before starting his public ministry.
    Islam: The Prophet Muhammad is said to have fasted for 40 days before receiving the Quranic revelation.
    Hinduism: Some Hindu practices involve 40-day fasting periods or rituals, like the “Chaturmas” festival.

    Overview
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    According to Chabad, the number 40 in Judaism signifies a period of significant transformation, testing, or preparation, often representing a transition from one spiritual state to another, as seen in stories like Moses spending 40 days on Mount Sinai receiving the Torah, or the 40 days of rain during Noah’s flood, symbolizing a renewal or new beginning; essentially, “40” represents a critical juncture in a person’s spiritual journey where a major change occurs.
    Key points about the number 40 in Chabad teachings:
    Transformation and renewal:
    The most prominent theme associated with 40 is the idea of significant change or spiritual renewal, like how the Israelites spent 40 years wandering in the desert before entering the Promised Land.
    Testing and trial:
    The number 40 can also represent a period of testing or trial, as seen in the 40 days of rain during the flood.
    Kabbalistic interpretation:
    In Kabbalah, 40 is sometimes linked to the four directions of the world, with each direction containing the ten Sefirot (divine emanations).
    Significance in life events:
    Many pivotal moments in Jewish history and individuals’ lives are associated with the number 40, highlighting its importance in the spiritual journey.

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    In Buddhism, the number 40 is associated with the Buddha’s 40-day fast in the desert before becoming an apostle.
    Explanation
    The Buddha spent 40 days fasting in the desert before becoming an apostle.
    The number 40 is associated with transformation and new creation.
    In some traditions, a religious ceremony is held 40 days after death to help the deceased’s consciousness leave the physical world.
    Other number symbolism in Buddhism
    The number 108 is considered sacred in Buddhism.
    Other numbers that are considered auspicious in Buddhism include:
    8 (infinity)
    9 (completion)
    3 (harmony)
    7 (spiritual growth)
    1 (new beginnings)
    Number symbolism in other traditions
    In Judaism, the number 40 is associated with transformation and new creation.
    In the Bible, the number 40 is associated with transition, change, and renewal.
    Number 40 Symbolism, 40 Meaning and Numerology
    Dec 19, 1998 — Number of years that no man and no beast would have crossed Egypt, according to an old prophecy. According to the book…

    RidingTheBeast.com
    Forty Something « Ask The Rabbi « – Ohr Somayach
    The Torah prescribes 40 lashes for some serious crimes. In addition, our Sages teach that a fetus takes 40 days from conception to…
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    The significance of the number 40 Judaism – Emuna Builders
    Jun 13, 2021 — The Number 40 in Gematria The number 40, in particular has a truly special meaning and has been extensively used when …

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    In “The 40 Days of Mossadegh,” the number 40 signifies the duration of a crucial period in Iranian politics, representing the approximate number of days during which Mohammad Mossadegh, the Iranian Prime Minister at the time, actively resisted a coup d’état attempt against his government, ultimately leading to his overthrow.
    Key points about the “40 days”:
    Symbolic meaning:
    The number 40 often carries symbolic weight in various cultures, sometimes representing a period of trial, transformation, or significant events, potentially drawing a parallel to the intense political struggle Mossadegh faced during this time.
    Historical context:
    The “40 days” refers to the time between the initial coup attempt on August 19, 1953, and Mossadegh’s eventual removal from power on August 19, 1953, although the exact timeline can vary depending on interpretations.

    The Forty Days of Musa Dagh (German: Die vierzig Tage des Musa Dagh) is a 1933 novel by Austrian-Bohemian writer Franz Werfel based on events that took place in 1915, during the second year of World War I and at the beginning of the Armenian genocide.

    The novel focuses on the self-defense by a small community of Armenians living near Musa Dagh, a mountain in Vilayet of Aleppo in the Ottoman Empire—now in Hatay Province, part of southern Turkey, on the Mediterranean coast—as well the events in Constantinople (Istanbul) and provincial capitals, where the Young Turk government orchestrated the deportations, concentration camps and massacres of the empire’s Armenian citizens. This policy, as well as who bore responsibility for it, has been controversial and contested since 1915. Because of this or perhaps in spite of it, the facts and scope of the Armenian Genocide were little known until Werfel’s novel, which entailed voluminous research and is generally accepted as based on historical events.[1]

    The novel was originally published in German in November 1933. I

    Wikipedia

    My comment: Werfel used the number 40 metaphorially, as well. It was actually a different number of days, close but not 40, I am having trouble finding it.

  8. @Reader, Edgar, I just realized that Hangul, the modern Korean alphabet, which I was focusing on learning for a couple of years before this on Duolingo, has something very similar to Hebrew, namely that vowels are never written by themselves but together with a silent placeholder, which in the case of Hebrew is Aleph.

    If the syllable begins with a vowel sound, the consonant O (ng) acts as a silent placeholder. However, when O starts a sentence or is placed after a long pause, it marks a glottal stop.”

    Hangul – Wikipedia

    My comment: Also when written alone as in a vocabulary quiz.

  9. @Edgar G. @Tanna

    I apologize for interfering in your discussion but I would like to recommend a book I’ve just read:

    Anthony Gifford The Unspoken Cause of Auschwitz 2023.

    I bumped into it on Amazon and bought it because of the title and because it was recent.

    When it showed up, I thought I’d wasted my money because it is such a tiny paperback but I was pleasantly surprised.

    The author also has a website which might be especially interesting to Tanna:

    https://anthonygifford.ca/the-unspoken-cause-of-auschwitz/

  10. TANNA-

    I’m glad that you’ve had the time to respond, although your post is so long I may necessarily omit or misplace my answers.

    It seems that it is YOUR interpretations as distinct from standard Christian ones.
    The John quote was CERTAINLY meant to be taken literally ,Jesus lauding his pre-eminence, although no proof that anything he actually said exists…except through the imaginations of the anonymous writers.

    The Chabad Messianic group is NOT large and some believe the Rebbe was the Moshiach SPIRITUALLY, others, literally, and still alive. It’s an easy diagnosis that they are mentally deranged.

    All this “hovering over the waters” is far far straying afield. How could it be anything but nonsense…

    By the way, Jews NEVER call Jesus “Yeshua” only Christians do.

    On the contrary it DOES make a HUGE difference whether Jesus was 40, 50 or 150. The Christian liturgical history make him a young man of about 29-33 and innocent but even Gospels show him as a ealot, and violent.

    You slide away dexterously from identifying the Messiah NOW, but before, for you it was Jesus, I mean Yeshua….

    Both Josephus and Christian belief are positive that Jesus was originally a follower of John being much younger and baptized by him and his pet dove. Later when a prisoner in Machaerus in 37CE Joh had no idea who Jesus was, which indicates tat then Jesus was very “small beer”..

    There is nothing to show that they were cousins other than a late, twisted impossible Christian writing. The :kicking in the womb seems to have done all the talking….Hmm…!!

    The number “40” is believed by some modern Historians To have a symbolic meaning as it comes up several times eg. sojourn in Sinai, lengths of rule of some kings, The Flood etc. as just meaning “a long time” and has NOTHING to do with our discussion, I don’t know why you dragged this red herring in.

    ‘The voice crying” It DID mention “Rachel’s Children, but really meant Children of Israel. As for them Not returning, you are wrong.

    Under Era and Nehemiah at least 2 separate groups returned, in sufficient numbers to re-establish and reinforce, (because they arrived years apart) a State, and build the Second Temple.

    All this talk about Amalek is pure sophistry mixed with nonsense, and symbols.

    So WE have to give G-D time, and not rush the poor Deity… Oy Veh??? How far you wander in a void…..

    There were NO Yeshivas then. In Yavne there were the very distant roots.

    Your wriggling about Isaiah is pathetic to laughable. In thoays with no modern scholarship one might attach 2nd and 3rd Isaiahs to the original scroll as they became known, because they “seemed” in the same vein….although even a cursory exam by a layman can see the divisions and that they are on different paths.

    How could you have a 6th cent writer who could imitate a third cent, writer. Pure Tanna-nonsense.

    Anyway you provide SOME humour in twisting, let us say turning my attitude to you around and call ME ‘naive” and lacking “common sense”
    I though you could do better.’

    My whole being is based on common sense and logic, amply proven time after time. As for Ehrman, if you are repelled by him , feel he’s a charlatan and “twisted” why have so many books of his.. You mentioned 5 I think….

    Your very feeble “attack” of the Torah mistakes mean nothing to me. There are errors of prophesy, scribal errors, and the errors of ignorant beliefs. Maybe others. But I am not promoting Torah versus New Testament as you are Doing.

    You are really a New Testament “Yeshua” guy, Strong Christian leanings, which every utterance from you confirms,
    I don’t care, and no need for you to try to hide it. You can’t.

    I hope this is not too long to be posted. Yours seems to be yet it’s here.

  11. Edgar, I’m glad to hear from you even if your post is so convoluted and contradictory that I’m even more puzzled.

    Edgar. John 8: 57 passage. You should not read it so literally. Their whole discussion was that Yeshua was claiming to be older than Abraham. And they said you are not yet 50 years old. And have you seen Abraham? This is evidently Yeshua associating himself with, The spirit of Messiah. That hovered over the waters in Genesis 1:1. That’s who I am. Your Rabbis even teach this. The problem is – does Yeshua’s discussion pertain to himself or the Messiah. Yeshua thought himself. Most other people did not. Even today a large group think the Rebbe who died in the 90’s is messiah and his going to come back. So it really doesn’t matter whether Yeshua died at 33 or 43 or even 53. Numbers are not to be taken in a literal matter of fact way in the bible. And as to who the real Messiah is, I’ll tell you… he will be who he will be! Jews will be happy and so will Christians.

    As far as? John the baptizer and his relationship with Yeshua. I’m personally not 100% on whether Yeshua was the follower of John or John was the follower of Yeshua? Meaning teacher, pupil. Or whether they were just both students of another teacher. And friends and cousins. I would think they were probably yeshiva boys and Yeshua thought a lot of John and his learning and calling. See, I believe the whole premise of your question is wrong.

    In your mind and arguments, It has to be taken literally that Yeshua was crucified around 30 – 33 years old. Otherwise, the whole story falls apart. That’s not true, and you know it’s not true if you look at numbers in the bible. In the Hebrew Bible, 40 doesn’t mean 40 all the time in a literal exact way.

    As far as the text of “a voice crying in the wilderness”, I agree with you. It doesn’t necessarily refer to Yeshua, But to the return of Rachel’s children from Babylon. So. Tell me, why has Rachel’s children not come back from Babylon? Maybe, one could claim that through the work of Yeshua and the N.T. Rachels children have come out of Babylon to some degree. But no, they are not home yet. Just like the JEWS are not home yet. Yea they live in Jerusalem, but they don’t control their land. It’s all a process. Amalek still pulls the strings on the Jews.. YHVH, been trying to get the Jews from Egypt to Jerusalem for over 3000 years. MY God, Edgar give him a chance , he’s working on it. You know how hardheaded and stiff neck you people are.

    If you read the bible on a straight literal level, one has to come to the conclusion everything written in the Bible is a bunch of lies and myths. Because it ain’t happening. God ain’t fulfilled all of his word. The bible been lying to you Jews for thousands of years. It’s all going to come back to Israel. Everything’s going to be peace and hunky Dory. But that’s where you and Erdman don’t understand what you’re reading. You have got to read it on many different levels all at the same time. God is doing what he’s doing regardless if you and Erhmen believe it or not.

    I do not believe every word Literally. I understand there’s allegories, Poetry, hidden meanings. Words that are written one way and said another way, gematria and on and on. Rabbi’s Teach 4 levels of interpretation or understanding . And the way you get to Sod level is through Peshat. See, this is why you need a good Rabbi to teach you.

    You mentioned there were three Isaiahs separated by hundreds of years. Yeah, I know some scholars think this. But it could also be. Isaiah, writing and speaking and then one of his students took over for him writing cause his hand got tired and then later another student did the writing because the second writers hand got tired and so as Isaiah was speaking and these guys are transcribing his words as he spoke and then thousands of years later some scholar comes along and tries to one up his professor and comes up with this theory that the reason the language is a little different in different parts of the book is cause there are 3 Isaiahs and not just one so… therefore it’s all a lie It looks like you have three different Isaiahs doing the writings. And just as if you were to sit and dictate something to me and I was to actually physically write it down. Linguistic scholars would look at the writings thousands of years later and say ohh, there’s two Edgar’s here. But in reality, it would be Edgars words and thoughts. Don’t be so dam naïve Edgar, my goodness man – used your common sense. Yes, I also knew that Erdman used to be evangelical preacher. That don’t mean nothing!!!! Christians would tell you that Erdman backslid, Lost his faith, Fell from God. I don’t care, it don’t matter to me. .

    You hear stories all the time about Christian preachers. Fooling around with the piano players. And you hear stories all the time of rabbis who fooled around with women in their congregations. That’s just the way of the world. But God said don’t do it. See Edgar, you and Erhmen are like the people who look at a Preacher or Rabbi that makes mistakes and then draw the conclusion that see—- religion is a bunch of lies. Wrong conclusion. Edgar! Remember the story about King David, and that Bathsheba women. Well, if God choose David and David did what he did, then that means its all a lie because if God can’t pick any better man than that it must mean there is no God who knows everything. See the faulting reasoning you and Mr. B have fallen into. You take a little bit of truth and a lot of none facts and throw in a little bit of historical tid bits and when your done, you have lead silly women away into captivity.

    Since you want to talk about contradictions in the New Testament. Maybe you want to talk about all the conditions in your Hebrew bible? There are so many books that’s been written that talk about all the contradictions in the Old Testament. These have been written by scholars, therefore they must be true.

  12. Edgar, I’m glad to hear from you even if your post is so convoluted and contradictory that I’m even more puzzled.

    Edgar. John 8: 57 passage. You should not read it so literally. Their whole discussion was that Yeshua was claiming to be older than Abraham. And they said you are not yet 50 years old. And have you seen Abraham? This is evidently Yeshua associating himself with, The spirit of Messiah. That hovered over the waters in Genesis 1:1. That’s who I am. Your Rabbis even teach this. The problem is – does Yeshua’s discussion pertain to himself or the Messiah. Yeshua thought himself. Most other people did not. Even today a large group of Jews think the Rebbe who died in the 90’s is messiah and his going to come back. So it really doesn’t matter whether Yeshua died at 33 or 43 or even 53. Numbers are not to be taken in a literal matter of fact way in the bible. And as to how the real Messiah is, I tell you… he will be who he will be! Jews will be happy and so will Christians.

    As far as? John the baptizer and his relationship with Yeshua. I’m personally not 100% on whether Yeshua was the follower of John or John was the follower of Yeshua? Meaning teacher, pupil. Or whether they were just both students of another teacher. And friends and cousins. I would think they were probably yeshiva boys and Yeshua thought a lot of John and his learning and calling. See, I believe the whole premise of your question is wrong.

    In your mind and arguments, It has to be taken literally that Yeshua was crucified around 30 – 33 years old. Otherwise, the whole story falls apart. That’s not true, and you know it’s not true if you look at numbers in the bible. In the Hebrew Bible, 40 doesn’t mean 40 all the time in a literal exact way. As far as the text of “a voice crying in the wilderness”, I agree with you. It doesn’t necessarily refer to Yeshua, But to the return of Rachel’s children from Babylon. So. Tell me, why has Rachel’s children not come back from Babylon? Maybe, one could claim that through the work of Yeshua and the N.T. Rachels children have come out of Babylon to some degree. But no, they are not home yet. Just like the JEWS are not home yet. Yea they live in Jerusalem, but they don’t control their land. It’s all a process. Amalek still pulls the strings on the Jews.. YHVH, been trying to get the Jews from Egypt to Jerusalem for over 3000 years. MY God, Edgar give him a chance , he’s working on it. You know how hardheaded and stiff neck you people are.

    If you read the bible on a straight literal level, one has to come to the conclusion everything written in the Bible is a bunch of lies and myths. Because it ain’t happening. God ain’t fulfilled all of his word. The bible been lying to you Jews for thousands of years. It’s all going to come back to Israel. Everything’s going to be peace and hunky Dory. But that’s where you and Erdman don’t understand what you’re reading. You have got to read it on many different levels all at the same time. God is doing what he’s doing regardless, if you and Erhmen believe it or not.

    I do not believe every word Literally. I understand there’s allegories, Poetry, hidden meanings. Words that are written one way and said another way, gematria and on and on. Rabbi’s Teach 4 levels of interpretation or understanding . And the way you get to Sod level is through Peshat. See, this is why you need a good Rabbi to teach you.

    You mentioned there were three Isaiahs separated by hundreds of years. Yeah, I know some scholars think this. But it could also be. Isaiah, writing and speaking and then one of his students took over for him writing cause his hand got tired and then later another student did the writing because the second writers hand got tired and so as Isaiah was speaking and these guys are transcribing his words as he spoke and then thousands of years later some scholar comes along and tries to one up his professor and comes up with this theory that the reason the language is a little different in different parts of the book is cause there are 3 Isaiahs and not just one so… therefore it’s all a lie. It looks like you have three different Isaiahs doing the writing. And just as if you were to sit and dictate something to me and I was to actually physically write it down. Linguistic scholars would look at the writings thousands of years later and say ohh, there’s two Edgar’s here. Don’t be so dam naïve Edgar, my goodness man – used your common sense.

    Yes, I also knew that Erdman used to be evangelical preacher. That don’t mean nothing!!!! Christians would tell you that Erdman backslid, Lost his faith, Fell from God. I don’t care, it don’t matter to me. .
    You hear stories all the time about Christian preachers. Fooling around with the piano players. And you hear stories all the time of rabbis who fooled around with women in their congregations. That’s just the way of the world. But God said don’t do it. See Edgar, you and Erhmen are like the people who look at a Preacher or Rabbi that makes mistakes and then draw the conclusion that see—- religion is a bunch of lies. Wrong conclusion. Edgar! Remember the story about King David, and that Bathsheba women. Well, if God choose David and David did what he did, then that means its all a lie because if God can’t pick any better than that it must mean there is no God who knows everything. See the faulting reasoning you and Mr. B have fallen into. You take a little bit of truth and a lot of none facts and throw in a little bit of historical tid bits and when your done, you have lead silly women away into captivity. Since you want to talk about contradictions in the New Testament. Maybe you want to talk about all the conditions in your Hebrew bible? There’s so many books that’s been written that talk about all the contradictions in the Old Testament. These have been written by scholars, therefore it must be true.

  13. READER-

    She cut cardboard pieces each about 4 inches square, and wrote the alphabet letter on each one with a thick black marker pen.

    She lined them up about 5 at a time on a low ledge, then pronounced each letter until the child could repeat it properly. To them it was a game. She kept adding several letters as the children progressed, It never took more than, sometimes 2-3 days but often even overnight for each added group.
    Each child would repeat all the displayed letters from the first to the last as they progressed.

    Then their memories were tested by removing all the letters and propping up random mixed groups. I was delighted. I think the letters are still around somewhere.

    It took about weeks before they were putting together 2-3 letter words and at 2 years were reading and understanding books with 2-3-4 letter words w/ illustrations.

    I myself was already reading newspaper headlines slowly by 2 1/2 years, according to my beloved 9 years older sister.. We never found out how I did it, A mystery.

    So maybe my kids inherited a sort of “reading” gene??

    ******I used to talk to each baby in the womb. They obviously heard as they rrsponded by kicking.*******

  14. SEB-

    I’ve no idea who gave the thumb down, but to counter I gave a well deserved thumbs up. I’d have given 2 but it wouldn’t take.

    Likely some one emerged from the crypt………. and went back again.

    You have gone into the issue deeply .

    Your large highlight below supports my contention that the Mashiach (as a conquering leader) concept was very late in our history, and long after the last king.

    I did not read anything about it, just my own strong feelings, which I’ve expressed on this site many times.

    but it’s gratifying to be supported by “brainiacs”……..

    As it goes now, i don’t see any refutation by our professional Christians,

    No reams of dry bones and apocalyptic nonsense, and haven’t for a long time. The bones must long ages ago have been ground up for fertiliser.

    They must be back on their meds.

  15. Beyond Borders’: The story of a fighting Jew – interview
    By RANA SALMAN, ESZTER KORANYI FEBRUARY 17, 2025 02:12

    Rudi Haymann’s book Beyond Borders takes readers through his escape from Nazi Germany to when he learns to be a kibbutz pioneer in Palestine, then his missions as a soldier in the Jewish Brigade of the British Army, and finally as he navigates life after World War II.
    “I wrote this book not appealing to a public – I wrote this book for my grandchildren,” Haymann said. “I wanted them to know what sort of grandfather they had – his historical background, his psychological or human background, and the challenges he had to face, and give them an idea that I hope that they never will have to face as many challenges as I did.”

    Available for free as ebook in Kindle Unlimited as well as ebook purchase soft and hard cover from Amazon and various other sellers

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-841804

  16. Edgar What do you think? I see someone gave that a thumbs down without explanation. Was that you? I still have only read bits and pieces of the Tanakh along with the 5 books in their entirety so I would still have to google many questions.

  17. @Edgar I don’t know but when I googled: When did the Messiach concept first appear in Judaism, I got this and the summaries from various Jewish websites that popped up all said the same thing:

    AI Overview

    According to most scholars, the concept of “Moshiach” (Messiah) in Judaism first emerged during the prophetic period, with interpretations of certain passages in the Hebrew Bible, particularly from the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel, being seen as hinting at a future messianic figure; however, the idea is not explicitly stated in the Torah (the first five books of the Bible) and the concept likely developed further during the time of the Second Temple period, particularly following the harsh rule of the Seleucid Empire under Antiochus IV Epiphanes which led to increased messianic expectations as seen in the Book of Daniel.
    Key points to remember:
    No explicit mention in Torah:
    While the word “mashiach” (anointed one) appears in the Torah, it refers to priests and not a messianic figure in the way later understood.
    Prophetic interpretations:
    Later Jewish interpretations of prophetic texts are considered to be the foundation of the messianic concept.
    Historical context:
    The period of the Second Temple, especially the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucids, is often seen as a key time for the development of messianic expectations.

    But I see Isaiah 6 begins: “In the year that King Uzziah died, I beheld my lord seated on a high and lofty throne…”

    So if it begins at the time of Isaiah, I googled: Were there kings after King Uzziah and got:

    “AI Overview

    Yes, after King Uzziah, his son Jotham became king in Judah according to the Bible, specifically in 2 Chronicles 26:21 where it states that “Uzziah rested with his fathers, and Jotham his son became king in his place.”.
    Key points about the succession:
    Next in line: Jotham was Uzziah’s son and therefore the rightful heir to the throne.
    Biblical reference: This information can be found in the Book of 2 Chronicles, chapter 26. “

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  18. @Sebastien Zorn

    But to write letters, wouldn’t I need to know them first?

    Of course.

    This is why when (possibly) doing what I suggest, you keep by your side a printed page with the Hebrew alphabet with its corresponding sounds written in Latin alphabet.

    This page you keep consulting while doing your “writing English words backwards (right to left) using Hebrew letters” exercise.

    Once you write a word this way, you can write the appropriate sound underneath each Hebrew letter to help you memorize it.

    Anyway, everyone has unique ways of learning languages.

    It was easier for me to learn to read and write Hebrew by reading and writing a non-Hebrew language with Hebrew letters first.

    I also like listening to a text being spoken and reading the printed version of the text at the same time as an exercise a few times in a row.

    I knew someone who was convinced (based on experience) that the best way to learn a language was to memorize and playact dialogs (from a textbook such as FSI).

    To each his own!

  19. SEB-

    You seem very taken with this subject, for which I’m glad, as it’s extraordinarily interesting even fascinating. A kind of detective investigation, with positive results….

    Just one thing. I don’t think the Balaam bit can be on par with the rest as he was long before the kings. And many kings or High Priests could have been assumed to be the Moshiach, all having been oil anointed, and some who were great.

    Which leads me to believe that the Moshiach concept was NOT been part of Jewish Biblical History until long after the last king had gone.

    I’ve said as much for many years. It’s just common sense plus logic.

    How is your opinion on the above??

    You may have noticed that the devoted Christian members are totally silent in the face of my challenge…

    Perhaps on their knees in a crypt of their favourite Church….

    I’m not at all surprised.

  20. @ Edgar Serendipitously, still reading Zeitlin, “The rise and fall of the Judean State, volume 3” I just came to this passage on p. 199 in the chapter entitled, “Jabneh, the spiritual aftermath, subheading: The Sages and the Bible, Problems caused by the Septuagint

    “The original Hebrew text of Jacob’s blessing to Judah, translated literally, reads: “the scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to Shiloh, and unto him shall the people gather.” This passage was given various interpretations by the rabbis. The rendering of the Septuagint version, translated literally, is: A rule shall not fail from Judah, nor a leader from his thighs, until there comes the things stored up for him, and he is the expectation of the nations.” [55] Basing themselves on this version, the early Christians interpreted this Biblical passage as referring to Jesus. The original Hebrew text in the oracle of Balaam, translated literally, reads: “There shall step forth a star out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel; and shall smite through the corners [of the head] of Moab and break down all the sons of Seth.” The word “man” does not occur anywhere in the original Hebrew text.

    These, as well as other passages in the Septuagint, which appeared to them to have Messianic implications, were used by the Judaeo-Christians to demonstrate that Moses and the other prophets had foretold the coming of Jesus as the Messiah and that therefore their new faith was the one true religion.

    [55] Genesis 49:10. Interestingly enough, I googled Genesis 49.10 and the New International Version (NIV) version that came up was:

    The scepter will not depart from Judah,
    nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet,[a]
    until he to whom it belongs[b] shall come
    and the obedience of the nations shall be his.
    Read full chapter
    Footnotes
    Genesis 49:10 Or from his descendants
    Genesis 49:10 Or to whom tribute belongs; the meaning of the Hebrew for this phrase is uncertain.
    Genesis 49:10 in all English translations”

    So, I guess that one was corrected somewhere along the way.

    Oh, just that one and some others. Not all were corrected.

    https://biblehub.com/genesis/49-10.htm

  21. SEB-Yes it’s a good system you have. My wife, a kindergarten teacher devised this method to teach our 4 children to read. Made a game of it. Sara was reading at 2ee’v at 2, Rebecca more normal at just under 4, and Rachel at 1 year and 11 months. Within 2 years they were reading youth books of age 10-14 Black Beauty, etc published by Purnell a huge publisher at that time now swallowed up by another. They wanted to build a whole display around Sara, and take her all over the country and elsewhere but I wouldn’t allow it

    As for “the virgin birth” The 4 gospels were anonymous up to the middle or end of the 2nd cent. when their present names were arbitrarily put on them. None was written by a Jew and none had ever been in Palestine, leading to many topographical and religious errors, of which I gave an example.

    So they only knew the Greek Septuagint, which itself had “miraculous” beginnings attached to it.

    You are correct in that they used the term “virgin” as their translation of
    “almah” which means merely a young woman. The Hebrew for “virgin’ is
    betula”. And Isaiah’s prophesy was ….THAT young woman HAS conceived and will shortly bear a son…..” A prophesy for a looming situation, of that exact time. Impossible to have been for 7-800 years later.

    The Christian sect, I think even before they were called Christians, indignant that they were not noticed, were always looking for something special to distinguish them.

    So they grabbed it and as we all know, it was the beginning of a 2 thousand year period which ended in the Holocaust Or was suppose to have, although we know better today that Jew Hatred has never ceased.

  22. @Edgar Yes, that’s what I’m doing and then the program tests me.

    As for the other thing, please correct me if I’m wrong: My impression is that the virgin birth thing comes from a mis-translation into the Greek for the Septuagint. In Hebrew young woman and virgin are two different words but in Greek, as in English, it can be one word which could be either. In English, the word would be, “maiden.” And it also dovetails with similar Greek legends.

  23. WELL-

    No takers. Maybe all in Church.. Sorry that no lively discussion has emerged from Biblical contradictions. Historical facts seem out of fashion these days, Everyone knee deep in Zelenskyism.

    Conspiracy theories and political pedestrian known “inner” details all the rage. WiKi and other public outlets heating up from overwork, revealing nondescript details of already publicized matters we can’t do a damned thing about.

  24. @Sebastien Zorn

    It is a crazy suggestion but do you want to try writing English backwards with Hebrew letters?

    It is easier than Yiddish and it removes at least half of the burden of learning the alphabet.

    I tried Duolingo a while ago and didn’t like it for some reason.

    Language learning needs repetition (at least 15 minutes a day, although I noticed that after a while, skipping a couple of weeks lets the stuff kind of improve) and context (for me reading is best).

    From simple to complicated without losing the previous vocabulary, unlike the popular method of learning by topic (impressive but almost completely useless except for those with photographic memories).

    I wish you luck.

    I need more willpower.

  25. @Reader Recognizing the letters of the alphabet and associating them with the sounds they make is the first hurdle for me. I tried with the help of a teacher who was a student at the Jewish Theological Seminary in NY and gave up when I was 13. It helps that I was doing the same thing with Hangul, the Korean alphabet before this on Duolingo, not that I’ve completely mastered it. Computer languages are like that, too. If you know more than one, it gets easier. Many of the letters in Hebrew appear indistinguishable from other letters. Now it’s mostly a matter of visual memorization, at this stage, not that that’s easy for me. Of course, it’s complicated by how context alters things. More than one letter can make the same sound, there are letters whose final form is different such as nun, and it is standard to omit diacritical marks that give you the vowels. And the difference between a p and an f or a b and a v sound is as little as a dot in the middle. But, I’m slowly getting the hang of it, I think, when I don’t slack off. I’ve tried to learn a few languages without much luck so far. Wish me luck but don’t expect too much.

    I once quipped that one of Americans’ greatest flaws, being typically unable to learn foreign languages, might be the source of one our greatest virtues, namely, our welcoming, open-hearted compassion for strangers, because if we understood even a tiny fraction of what people were saying about us in their own languages, we’d be in a pretty bad mood. 😀

  26. @Sebastien Zorn

    No, I am not fluent in Hebrew, I can read it slowly (this doesn’t mean that I understand a lot of what I read without a dictionary or Google Translate).

    I think learning to read Hebrew is much harder than learning to read an Indo-European language because not only you are dealing with a different language family but also with an alphabet which looks completely unfamiliar and has to be learned and memorized at the same time.

    I was too intimidated by this in the beginning, so I started by taking some Yiddish courses.

    While Yiddish is written in Hebrew letters right to left, it is 80% German with a few Slavic and Hebrew borrowings.

    I wrote the Hebrew letter sounds under each letter in the text (the introductory texts were very simple) in pencil using English letters corresponding to each sound, and this was how I learned the Hebrew alphabet by reading Yiddish.

  27. The Roman Governor in Damascus must have arrived in Jerusalem about the second week in April 37 C.E.. Damascus is 270 miles from Jerusalem and a Roman army marching day was about 10-15 miles.

  28. Tanna- The reason you believe more of “my” scriptures than I do is simple, if not exactly true.
    You believe literally every word and miss the allegories, poems, acrostics, real meanings etc

    I delve deeper, see the real meanings, and also know more about the then social and religious structure.

    As an example… this text…”A voice cried in the wilderness, make a path”..etc you know the phrase by Isaiah.

    It REALLY reads….”A voice cries in Ramah, in the wilderness make a way, a path for….

    It doesn’t refer to Jesus or anything Christian , but to the return of Rachel’s children from Babylon. It was uttered by Isaiah, at the King’s Court in Jerusalem. nowhere else.

    There are others, but I think this is enough. I hope you think so too.

    I’d be interested to know the titles of the Ehrman books you have, ands if you read them all or part, or just flipped through.

    I found him thoroughly sincere and very detailed giving a flood of legit references and writing as if just speaking to the reader…VERY readable.

    ****Did you know there were 3 Isaiahs, separated by hundreds of years.****….????

    ******Did you know that Ehrman , up to about 30+ was an evngelical preacher, pastor and with the highest Christian qualifications .Steeped in his belief. A completely Christian Christian.******?????

  29. Continued….

    Bearing in mind all the foregoing, Antipas had intent to or had already divorced his wife of 20 years to marry Herodias. She was the daughter of King Aretas 4th of Nabataea, also a client king but very strong.and cifficult.

    Enraged, he attacked and defeated Antipas, who contacted Damascus and asked the Roman Governor for aid. The governor got orders from Tiberius to aid Antipas and marched his army from Damascus, stopping at Jerusalem for R&R it being Pesach. Whilst there he got word that Tiberius had died, on the historical date of March 16th 37 CE.

    He sent for new orders to Caligula now Emperor. We hear no more of this episode.

    BUT….if John was believed in the Gospels to be “the Forerunner” then Jesus was still alive, aged say 40, not very young, giving credence to the “not yet 50” comment.

    So, with simple arithmetic, Jesus must have been crucified AFTER 37 CE, likely 38 CE.

    He is believed, assuming there WAS a Jesus, to have been born before 4 B.C,E. the death of Herod, and likely 6 BCE so MUST have been say 45..

    This totally contradicts the widely believed age of about 30-32 and a crucifixion date of around CE 30-33. If aged 30-32 than when baptized would have been no more than 1- 12 years old

    In those days news from Rome to Jerusalem=and vice versa, came by a 3-4 week voyage

    So what is the answer. was Jesus over 40, and was he crucified as late as 38 CE.

    All the above goes directly against strong Christian Belief and even the Gospels.

    I hope to hear from the several devoted Christians on this site.

  30. Tanna-

    I’m glad to hear from you even if your post is so convoluted and contradictory that I’m even more puzzled. But it is timely, as I’m about to ask a question about Early New Testament days which is even more cloudy.

    I KNOW there are seriously devout Christians on this site on whom until know I in whose ranks until now I’d included you. You could be a Noachide, but NO matter. I believe you as totally wrong.

    Here is my puzzle which I hope will get several answers.

    John 8.57 it’s said to Jesus, “Thou ar’t a man not yet 50.”. Living an itinerant life he could look older than his years.

    John Baptizer is a historical figure attested to by Josephus, and came to notice during a census of the year 6 CE. Already well known, likely at least 25-30 the story of the dove etc, can we assume that Jesus was a follower of John, whom he regarded as ” the greatest man who ever lived”??? I think so.

    Christianity regarded him as “The Forerunner”.

    So let us come to many years later when Herod Antipas has John imprisoned in Machaerus. A gospel says it was because of John’s objection to Antipas marrying the wife (widow-?) of his brother Phillip.

    Josephus says it was because Antipas being a Roman client, HAD to keep the peace with the unruly Jews and feared a rebellion. He killed John. John at that time didn’t seem to know or have heard anything about Jesus.

  31. Edgar, Edgar, O Edgar, you break my heart. How many times do I have to remind you – I am NOT a Christian. I disagree with the fundamentals of Christianity and all the things one must believe in to be a Christian…… most of tenants of Christianity I do not believe. I was not ignoring you – just been busy and overlook your post.

    You’re a very smart man no doubt. Well-read and much smarter than I. On top of that your Jewish, which I am not. Tell me Edgar, why is it, this Gentile can read your scripture given to mankind by YOUR God and your holy Sages and I believe more of what they teach then you can? Why does this Gentile have more bitachon and enumah in your GOD and his word then you do? Is it that you’re so smart that the GOD of Israel has ceased to exist for you and bro. bart? Bart is an evil man, and it would have been better that his mother had aborted him for the damaged he has cause to people’s faith and belief in GOD – regardless, if those people believed in the Jewish understanding of GOD or if it was the Christian understanding of GOD. Freewill has allow Erdman to make his choice, he will have to give an answer for it and for ALL the people he has led away from- “the fear of God”

    Counting from a distance it looks like I have 4 or 5 of Eerdmans books on my book self. – I refuse to give him another $$$$.

    This type of dialogue is most difficult, it would be hard enough sitting face to face. Edgar, I assume your great teachers like Rashi, the Rambam and the Ramban, Iben Ezra, Abarbanel, J.H. Hertz, Malbim, Radak, and others have something worth looking into and learning. You and I could read the same biblical text and have a different understanding- thus 70 interruptions of the Torah. But to discount and spew nonsense against your heritage and work to destroy what the Almighty has bestowed upon you and for your people to share and bring light to the nations of the world – makes no sense to me. Can a leopard change its spots, or can a Jew remove his circumcision? NO, God Forbid! I’m sorry, I forgot you don’t believe in God. Your circumcision is not only in your flesh, it is also upon your heart, per your own Prophets.

    Your own Torah tells us that YHWH (make no mistake who God is) chose you and your people as the ONLY nation to reveal himself to. Therefore, ALL OTHER nations only have a distorted view of that revelation. History tells us along with the Prophets that Israel and Judah also has a hard time understanding and following the revelation YHWH has given to you and which your to share with the nations.. But that is not to say – none of the JEWs have understanding. We know as in Elijahs day – God has reserved 7000 that have not bowed a knee to BAAL and in every generation, there are righteous men who pass the information down.

    As to Yeshua (Jesus) – there have been many lies told on him and about him. But never forget YESHUA was a righteous JEW and even your great teachers know this! Gentiles not a party to the revelation given to Abraham made this first century Judean into a man god like all their other gods. The problem with man, we make god into our image – instead of making ourselves into the image of GOD. IF your correct and Erdman is correct then there is no God – everything in the Bible is just lies and myth made by ignorant primitive man sitting around campfires trying to understand how corn grows and why barley always shows up around Passover? And Edgar, I refuse to believe – we humans are left to our own wanderings, without a GOD and we are our own GOD.

    If you and Erdman are correct, then the Jews need to submit to the world and give the land of Israel to the Arabs and accept everything that comes your way due to the lies and chaos you and your people have brought to the world. IF ALL of the HEBREW Scriptures and the New Testament writings are lies – then the Jews deserve what they get! But DO NOT misread my words. The only nation YHWH ever revealed himself to- the NATION of Israel and today known as the JEWS. The only One God and creator has worked for the last thousands of years – maybe 5785 to bring his creation to the place he wants his children to get to. We are not there yet – but I choose to believe your family story is true – distorted and misunderstood by time and evil men like Bert Erdman and by men like yourself that have not set at the feet of your great Masters. Erdman like many men before him will waste away to the dust bin of history but YOU JEWS and all Israel shall remain. If there is no Messiah – No seed of King David who is to one day rule YHWH’s Kingdom here on this earth – it will be the same as me living all my years believing that my Mother gave birth to me by being Impregnated by my Father……. If It was all a LIE…. As the Rabbi Paul a student of Gamaliel said, We are of all men most miserable! – It’s still my story and I’m sticking to it! Be in good health and prosper!

  32. @ Reader No, I’m way behind. My priority is to be able to phonetically read Hebrew. I think that is the first step. I’m making a little progress. Sometimes, words are attached to meanings which is where I got that but I am unable to do any of the vocabulary exercises without being able to read the words.

    I have also been to beginner’s services in shuls where the few transliterations were mostly useless and I really couldn’t follow along. Judaism is really inaccessible without Hebrew literacy. I mean the real thing. And the English translations have no music or nuance to them which makes them really boring considering how much repetition there is.

    Not that I plan to go full bore observant, I’m the product of my New Age upbringing and I, personally, go with whatever resonates with me but this is the culture of my people, it is what it is., and I want to grok* what it is.*

    Are you fluent in Hebrew?

    * “Where did the term “grok” come from?
    AI Overview

    *
    The term “grok” comes from Robert A. Heinlein’s 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In the book, the main character, a Martian, uses the word to describe a profound understanding of something. “

  33. TANNA-

    I was really expecting to hear from you re: my rundown of Ehrman’s book and I assumed that we’d become internet friends. and discuss it. Obviously I was mistaken, and that you view our religious differences as cause to ignore .

    Very sorry that happened ,but Facts are indeed Facts, never more true than in the issues which we (I) were (was) discussing. It became

    It became speedily one-sided because I did my research and reading, which you apparently did not.

    So again,…..sorry about that. Truly….!!

  34. @Sebastien Zorn

    I meant reading song lyrics and listening to the song at the same time.

    FSI is printed dialogs with audio which you don’t have to listen to if you don’t feel like it.

    If you are way ahead of song lyrics and dialogs in your learning, I apologize for the inappropriate suggestion.

    I like to learn languages by reading also but everyone has his or her own unique method.

  35. READER-

    Thank you again. The only kind of clipboard are actual wooden ones we with the clip at the top, used to clip documents on to.

    My knowledge of computer lingo is minus nil. My children, said they needed computers for school. I made a computer room with 2 computers and a huge, expensive, Hewlett Packard colour printer ($500), never taught me how to use them, as promised.

    I use a computer, as a typewriter. I’m a very old fashioned person indeed.

    My kids, supposed to be teaching me, played computer games instead.. What could I do??

    Your suggestion about my daughter is the solution I’ve no doubt. And I’ll follow it, She’ll be here on Thursday P.G.

  36. @Edgar G.

    Copy copies from the original and deposits the copied piece in the clipboard for you to paste into another place without changing the original.

    Cut takes the piece you want OUT of the original and deposits it in the clipboard for you to paste in another place, so the original is now different BEFORE you do the Paste part.

    It is better to use Copy (at least when you are learning) because it will NOT ruin the original in case you make a mistake.

  37. READER_

    Yes very readable, even if I’m shaky on what I’m reading. I have a 17″ ACER and Windows 11.. I understand “paste” but not exactly “cut” nor opening a file (like Cloud) I only use Google Chrome which id the easiest for me.

    I was once able to cut and paste years ago, with an old, simple computer ,but as my son was replacing them just as I was mastering them , I lost the knack, which was more complicated on each “better” computer.

    Being new I don’t use or understand most of what’s on this computer, Totally ignorant as I am , not surprising.

    Your suggestion of my daughter is the best for me. I’ll show her your post and she’ll show me how…

    Mit a sheynem danke..

  38. Tanna-

    Apologies, not Eccl. but Jonah and Daniel, both fictitious..

    Eccl was admitted to the Canon because it was thought King Solomon wrote it, but internal evidence shows it was written anonymously about 500 years later.

    Ehrman tells of Galen walking past a bookseller where 2 men were arguing loudly over a passage in of his books. He intervened, and found the book was a forgery..
    He has very large amounts of anecdotal stories like that. He also said that the story of Nero lighting Christians for torches was fake, and there is NO evidence that he persecuted Christians, whom he likely hadn’t noticed. I’ve read many other experts who’ve said the same.

    Also that the Chrestus whom Seutonius mentioned as the cause of Claudius banning Jews from Rome, was NOT “Christus” which is a title, and that Chrestus was a very common Roman name. This also mantioned by other experts.

    Oh yes, the Acts of the Apostles are fake, written by the writer of “Luke”

    Including Timothy, 6 letters of Paul. He gives detailed reasons showing conclusively that this is so. There was much more in my lost post, that I can’t replicate. I’m recalling them in “dribs and drabs”>….

    I’m not surprised that as a devout Christian you denigrate Ehrman..

  39. @Edgar G.

    I don’t know how to “save”, perhaps you will explain.

    It is called “copy-and-paste”.

    You highlight the text you want to copy, copy it from the original with a keyboard shortcut (see below), and paste (copy) it with a different keyboard shortcut INTO a file (document) – I use Microsoft Word – that you have opened for this purpose.

    Do you know what kind of computer and system (Windows, or?) you have?

    The shortcuts below are for a PC or Mac.

    Do NOT use the “+“ sign.

    The “+“ sign simply means that while one finger holds down the Ctrl key, you use another finger to click once on the second key shown in the shortcut.

    Ctrl + A
    Sometimes you’d like to mark ALL of the text in a document
    or on a webpage so you can perform an action like copying or
    formatting.
    Ctrl + A lets you select everything without
    having to mouse through it all.

    Select text:

    Shift + one of the arrow keys (usually bottom right of the keyboard – I can’t copy them into my comment)

    Want to select specific words or paragraphs without reaching
    for your mouse?
    Position your cursor where you want to start,
    hold down the Shift key, and use the
    arrow keys to move around the page
    marking (highlighting) the text.

    Copy & Paste:
    Ctrl+C / Ctrl+V

    Once you have used one of the options above to select your
    text, you can copy it to your clipboard by pressing
    Ctrl+C, and paste it again in the desired
    location with Ctrl+V.
    If the application you are using allows you to remove text, you
    can also cut out your selected text by
    pressing Ctrl+X and it will also go to your
    clipboard for pasting.

    Cut-and-paste is Ctrl+X HOWEVER, it removes text from the original, so keep to copy-and-paste in the beginning.

    Clipboard is the space that is invisible to you that your computer uses to keep whatever you happened to copy or cut via a shortcut ONLY UNTIL you do the next copy or cut, so it is IMPORTANT to PASTE FIRST before performing another copy or cut.

    One of your daughters can probably show you how to do this, this will be a lot faster and easier.

    If you don’t know how to open a file, you can save your post temporarily in an E-mail, just don’t send the E-mail to anyone.

    I hope this is helpful.