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By Ted Belman

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April 16, 2020 | 6,965 Comments »

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  1. yamit82 Said:

    What a Jew hating vile book and belief!!!!!!

    Each day this stealth fake Jew reveals more of his deceptions. i do not understand a Jew who bases their beliefs on the writings of those who have swindled, libeled, tortured and slaughtered Jews for 2000 years and many belonging to that same org continue the same today. He quotes from the writings of those who stalked the Jews for centuries. why would a Jew cite the publications of jew killing orgs? When I observe such consistent long term despicable behavior from an org i cannot give credibility to any member of that org, just like the nazi org or the KKK org.

  2. dweller Said:

    “I’m a follower only of the One who made me.”
    Bernard Ross Said:
    “you said here that you were a follower of christ”
    Dweller said:
    “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him…” [Jn 6:44]

    Thus demonstrating Dwellers ability to mimic the Pauline behavior of deception and evasion. I have no idea what this bit of evasive drivel means. Apparently you are incapable of honestly answering a simple question, just like your heroes whom you quote and mimick.
    You demonstrate this same charactger trait with your numerous evasive, obfuscating, deceptive posts ALL concocted with the simpe purpose of evasion.

    You call HB Twinkie, you have used this term since the 7o’s to describe and address that “certain type of woman”. When asked the simple question of what type of woman you do everything to avoid a straightforward answer. The reason for that evasion is that answering honestly would likely demonstrate that you are a misogynist smearer and a liar….therefore you cannot answer honestly.
    dweller Said:

    I refrain from giving my reasons for using the term in re HB

    not asking for the reason, just your definition of your term “Twinkie” for a “certain type of woman”. What type of woman, in your own words? I predict that you will once more slime out of an honest straightforward answer, as usual, proving once more that you are a liar, deceiver, smearer and evader.

  3. dweller Said:

    “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him…” [Jn 6:44]

    For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life and I will raise them up at the last day.”John 6:40

    “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son. Whoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father” (l John 2.22,23)

    “Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)

    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38) Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). 1 “But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)

    What a Jew hating vile book and belief!!!!!!

  4. @ bernard ross:

    “so, just what does that ‘certain type of girl’ mean…”

    “It’s YOUR memory that needs refreshing. I said certain type of WOMAN. And it would appear that HB has answered your question [post #26, 2 pgs back]. If you don’t find her comment satisfactory, you should take it up privately with her (if she’ll let you). At that point, it’s no concern of mine.”

    “another example of your lying, deceptive, evasive MO…”

    No lie. No deceit. And no evasiveness either — regardless of your lame attempts to so characterize it.

    You are simply (among other things) a humorless twerp. You assumed that nobody but you gets to play this little game you’re playing. Well, you assumed wrong; party’s over.

    “comment 26 is HB’s view of herself as a deflection of your smear, which is irrelevant to this discussion which is about your misogynist smears and derogatory use of the word Twinkie to describe and address her.”

    What ‘smears’ would THOSE be, Mr King-of-Smears? I’ve shown you the very
    meaning of the word and you have YET to demonstrate anything I’ve done that remotely fits the description. Derogatory, yes. Smears, NO.

    And what’s wrong with derogatory? Bloggers on this site use terms of derogation all the time. Since when does HB come in for special, kid-gloves treatment?

    “Your attempt to use her deflection of your [remark] as a red herring is in itself a despicable deception used in sleaziest manner by the lowest of the low.”

    Oh, please, spare me your sanctimoniously stale farts, you self-important, witless gasbag. There is no ‘deception’ here — far from it — and if I were truly as sleazy as YOU are, you’d never find out it — because I’m more than capable of sufficient subtlety as to hide it and keep you from knowing it.

    It’s only because I do NOT stoop to availing myself of such cheap-though-effective defenses that you are even able to accuse me of such ham-handed clumsiness that you could DECLARE me ‘suspect’ in the first place.

    Nor is there anything ‘low’ about my above response. HB is herself by no means ‘innocent’ in this. I’ve told you that if it’s important to you to know why I gave her the moniker, you can ASK her. However, she, for her part, could — on her own — either discuss it with you or tell you to take a hike.

    She has done neither, and instead resorted to one of her OWN little evasive maneuvers which make up the larger balancing act she maintains at all costs. I merely drew attention to it while keeping my very amused tongue firmly implanted in my cheek. Alas, authentic drollery and irony are both alien to your temperament. You are INDEED humorless.

  5. @ bernard ross:

    “I never gave (and still DON’T give) a roly-poly turd about that bogus issue — or about the imbecilic ding-a-lings of EITHER gender who insist on making it one.”

    “roly poly? Did you feel the OC need to describe it in detail? “

    That was no ‘description,’ jackass. That was a rhetorical flourish.

    (Why? — did you feel the OC need to ask?)

    “Bottom line remains the bottom line: You’ve NEVER been able to show a single, solitary instance of my being wrong about someone’s emotional and psychological makeup (including your own, B.ROSS). And it’s driving you nuts.”

    To which I would only add: and it serves you ruddy-well RIGHT.

    “The statement was addressed to Ross, because it’s HE that likes to play this little game of changing my words to reverse the Burden-of-Proof.”

    “You appear to lack a sense of humor”

    The posting record would take issue with you over that.

    I daresay that even this commentator’s other detractors on this site would challenge your claim in THAT regard.

    “I fixed it for you to point out how absurd your statement was asking people to prove your rantings wrong…”

    Begging the question again (can’t rid yourself of the habit, can you?). You haven’t established that my remarks constitute ‘ravings’ — regardless of whether you find them correct or not.

    “… whereas the assertion of facts requires the evidence or support.”

    No. Some such assertions do; others don’t.

    Those which allege wrongdoing or moral turpitude DO require evidence — indeed, they DEMAND it — and probative evidence at that.

    Those which don’t make such claims require merely the discipline of an open & questing mind.

    “Otherwise, we would all be spending our time trying to prove that the lunatic at Bellevue is wrong.”

    Why would you need to do that in ANY case? — That’s strictly an assumption, and a silly one.

    “thats why science calls for the proving of facts asserted rather than calling for the public to prove asserted facts wrong.”

    Science does nothing of the sort. You’ve created a false dichotomy, but true science is NEVER a binary tyranny. When something isn’t clear, science has no problem with maintaining a “wait-and-see” attitude. It’s only YOU who cant. So you palm off your own insecurities ONTO what you call ‘science.’ Yet there is nothing scientific about such an outlook.

    ” Its simple common sense…”

    It’s nothing of the sort. Common sense says when you don’t know

    — KNOW that you don’t know, and keep an open mind until you DO know.

    “… no need to engage in obfuscation…..”

    Then why are you doing that? You’ve tried DESPERATELY and PERSISTENTLY to discourage, dispirit or silence my remarks in these matters — when you could easily let them pass. Oh, it’s clear that there IS obfuscation at play here — yours.

    “try to commit this to memory as it will help you to understand…”

    Repeat: you’re fullovit right up to your eyeballs. You aren’t the least bit interested in ‘helping me understand’ SPIT. You’re simply making your standard, usual play for reader support in these matters, because you can’t stand on your own — so the Numbers Game is vital for your fragile, scheming ego.

    What’s more, there’s nothing for me to “commit to memory,” Slime Bucket. The words you offered were MINE — I drafted every single word but two of them — the two which you altered in order to invert the legitimate Burden-of-Proof, which does not (legitimately) lie with me.

  6. @ bernard ross:

    “I’ve told you, the matter of whoever was or wasn’t given a name like ‘Twinkie’ was never worth taking careful note of — so even how carefully it’s remembered is MEANINGLESS except to selected shmucks like PresentCompany who are probably still smarting from having once (maybe more than once?) been labeled ‘male chauvinist pigs.’ Never actually happened to me (and if it had, I’d have had a good belly-laugh over it).”

    “projections of a misogynist smearer trying to smear his accusers with his own proven behavior here.”

    You been shown the meaning of “smear” [post #37, above], but have YET to prove me to be a smearer

    — while you, OTOH, have indeed been so shown [post #38, above].

    “You have admitted to using the term twinkie at HB…”

    “Admitted”? — you make it sound like a cuss word, or something even reprehensible. It is nothing of the sort, and I reject your imputation. I have indeed called her a Twinkie, but there’s nothing wrong with that. (She IS a Twinkie) — and CERTAINLY nothing to ‘admit.’

    ” you have admitted to using it to describe a ‘certain kind of woman’ since the 70’s…..”

    Again, nothing to ‘admit.’ When the name was appropriate I used it, as I do today; you betcha. (Just like I, quite suitably, use dickhead and shmuck when I refer to PresentCompany. Does that sound ‘sexist’ to you? How ’bout derogatory? — sure hope so; wouldn’t wanna be misunderstood.)

    “… and yet you continue to run away from explaining what you mean by that ‘certain kind of woman’?”

    There’s no ‘running away,’ imbecile. (The concentrated might of the American State couldn’t make me run run away. You think a puny putz like YOU can??? You’re a classic case of reverse hubris.) I refrain from giving my reasons for using the term in re HB for reasons that are none of your phuqing business.

    YOU’VE been called a misogynist, HAVEN’T you? — perhaps by multiple women — and you can’t handle it. That’s what this dorky little game is about.

    “This shit is significant for you??? — If so, you’ve got your brains lodged between your cheeks. And I don’t mean the cheeks that sit on your face. I mean the cheeks you sit on.”

    “this tells us more about you than about me”

    Nah; to be fair, more like half & half.

    Half about me — and half about you.

    It tells us that YoursTruly is possessed of a wry wit, verging on the caustic when occasion demands

    — and that PresentCompany finds the oddest places to store valuables (well, presumably valuable).

    “Fido is unraveling, his real self is emerging with each bone he returns.”

    You’re in denial, Bozole. You aren’t tossing ‘bones’. You’re just giving me opportunities for a work-out. Mentally, I’m in the gym — getting stronger, sharper & clearer — each time you ‘toss.’ So don’t let me stop you now.

    “In that way you can avoid saying your Hail Mary’s this Sunday.”

    I’ve got a better idea. How ’bout you kiss my arse in Macy’s Window this Sunday?

  7. @ bernard ross:

    “the follower of Paul engages in deception but pretends he is not lying”

    “I’m a follower only of the One who made me.”

    “you said here that you were a follower of christ”

    “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him…” [Jn 6:44]

  8. dweller Said:

    @ yamit82:
    “If you had some money and a brain you too could move to Texas.”

    Never said I didn’t have any money. Only that what I have is spoken for.
    (So is my brain.)

    😉 😉 😉 A distinction without a difference!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    (So is my brain.) ?????? 🙂

    Yeah sure you betcha!!!! ROFLMAOYLAH

    Lived in Texas before and might consider it again, but this wouldn’t be a good time.
    My house isn’t ready for selling.

    No market for dilapidated caves???? 😛 😛 😛 ROTFLMAOAH

  9. @ yamit82:

    “If you had some money and a brain you too could move to Texas.”

    Never said I didn’t have any money. Only that what I have is spoken for.

    (So is my brain.)

    Lived in Texas before and might consider it again, but this wouldn’t be a good time.

    My house isn’t ready for selling.

  10. @ bernard ross:

    “One needn’t be a ‘follower’ of Paul to give him a fair hearing. Something you don’t have the BALLS to do. Nobody with the mind of an assassin — like PresentCompany — ever does. The notion of a fair hearing runs directly contrary to such a man’s very purposes.

    Still waiting for YOU to show me a single instance of Paul’s ‘deceiving’ — or attempting to deceive — anybody. But of course, to do THAT, you’d have to read what he wrote, now wouldn’t you?”

    “[Capt Huff’n’puff] has posted numerous examples of Pauls deception which you have not denied”

    That is a bald-faced LIE. He has never posted a single example of ‘deception’ on Paul’s part that I have not only not DENIED, but not also proceeded to TAKE APART and leave in shreds .

    If YOU have an example of such to offer, then you BRING IT. I repeat, you’re a character assassin — every bit as much of a one as Huff’n’puff.

    “you have been shown many instances of those attempts but you lie and say you have never been shown one. “

    You’re fullovit. Produce one; right here, right now. Put up or shut up.

    “…but have termed as ‘marketing’…”

    I used the imagery ONLY to illustrate a point regarding what ANY intelligent person does when introducing himself & his ideas to a strange culture — he adjusts himself superficially to the customs & other externalities of the other culture so as to avoid distracting the strangers (thru the strangers’ own prejudices) from the essence of his message. That’s not deception; it’s courtesy, and there’s nothing dishonorable about it. It’s a simple matter of respecting one’s hosts.

    It’s about meeting them on their own terms. Would you show up for a fancy dress ball in a speedo & tank top? If you do, don’t expect them to be prepared to take seriously anything you have to say, especially if it’s something heretofore alien to their sensibilities.

    There isn’t a word Paul wrote that could be justly characterized as deception or lying; not REMOTELY so. And until you’re willing to read him FOR YOURSELF, you won’t be in a position to express an opinion on the subject w/o showing yourself for the ignoramus which, in this matter thus far, you surely are.

    But beyond all that, by associating the imagery of marketing with lying & deception, you are REALLY telling us something very significant about yourself:

    — what you’re really saying is that, at bottom, YOU regard commerce — i.e., marketing, etc — as essentially larceny on one scale or another, IOW: lying and deception, cheating (and yes, no doubt, ‘SWINDLING’). Not at all a negligible observation concerning one whose OWN career seems to have been in business. . . .

  11. @ bernard ross:

    “OCD is a very degenerative mental disorder and you got it no doubt about it. You got a lot of other symptoms that could relate to other mad hatter designations but at core OCD seems to fit you like OJ’s Glove. Schizoid is a good fit as well. You are a shrinks delight, so many abnormalities to diagnose in a single turd.”

    “At core”? — he wouldn’t know the core of OCD from the core of a Gravenstein Apple.”

    “I think he hit the nail on the head”

    “Actually he hit the thumb holding the nail (at least four times, as I note in one of my previous posts). That psycho babbler knows no more about OCD than you do, twerpy twit.”

    “it wont change the facts and the gist.”

    “What would YOU know about the facts OR the gist? — I carefully described the basis, the cause, of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder a while ago, and it was clear at the time that neither of you smugly ignorant, obnoxiously arrogant Bozos had the remotest idea what it entailed — let alone, how to to recognize the real article. ‘Facts’? ‘Gist’? — ROFLMAO!

    “your description was irrelevant psychobabble”

    Uh-huh — because you said so, right?

    If it’s ‘irrelevant,’ you should have no trouble showing us what’s ‘irrelevant’ about it by taking details & phrases from it to illustrate your point. Put up or shut up.

    ” you are obviously compulsive”

    ROFLMAOBSST! I’m the only regular poster on chit chat these days who isn’t compulsive.

    “… everyone here has used their ‘common sense’ in being able to observe your compulsive behavior here…”

    WHAT ‘common sense’ would that be? Sounds more like common nonsense (it’s common around here of late).

    You think you can just use my language against me? You’ve got all the traits of the Cargo Cult (google it sometime), thinking you can go thru the motions of putting on the trappings without having the substance that led to the language and gave it meaning in the first place. Repeat: You’re a phony.

    “same with obsessive.”

    No. The undeniable reality is, I’m YOUR obsession.

    “we rely on these 2 traits of yours to provide us with entertainment.”

    If I had those traits — I don’t (yet even if I did) — only a malicious a—hole would get-off (as you’ve just admitted to doing) — at somebody else’s expense. It’s most revealing; you show your true colors in such moments.

    “Your obsession with avoiding error and being caught lying…”

    The obsession here is clearly your OWN — in trying to ‘catch’ me ‘lying.’

    — You remind me of Inspector Javert. (Shall I tell you what became of him — and why — or do you know?)

    “your obsessive compulsive…”

    You can keep using that language, but USING it won’t make it correct or appropriate or legitimate just BECAUSE you use it. It’s unmistakably bogus. You’re like a little kid dressing up in Daddy’s clothes and expecting to be taken seriously.

    “… avoidance of the truth”

    Told you already: You wouldn’t recognize truth if it were close enough to spit in your eye. You have no sense of PERSPECTIVE where truth is concerned. A slimy character assassin like PresentCompany has YET to establish that he gives a rusty screw about the truth — let alone, that he’s prepared to follow wherever it leads.

  12. @ mar55:
    @ bernard ross:

    “….when he looks at himself in the mirror he sees a TWINKI…..”

    “Twin·kie
    1. trademark a small finger-shaped sponge cake with a white synthetic cream filling.
    2. informal derogatory a gay or effeminate man, or a young man regarded as an object of homosexual desire.

    I wonder which ‘twinkie’ he sees in the mirror?”

    Now, THAT is what is known as a SMEAR. . . .Courtesy of this forum’s KING of smears.

  13. @ bernard ross:

    “you emply the difference in the definition of alluding and of addressing to obfuscate your fact of lying about recalling the use of Twinkie since the 70’s. “

    I ‘imply’ nothing, and you have not identified ANY ‘lie’ from me.

    Furthermore, if I truly were ‘OBFUSCATING,’ which I am not (does someone pay you for each time you use that word?) — if I were obfuscating, you surely would NOT find whatever was being ‘obfuscated’

    — because you cannot outfox me, and you know it. You just like to match wits, thinking someday, just maybe, you’ll luck out (dream on!).

    I said I had used the term, Twinkie, to REFER to certain women in the third person, but did not recall directly addressing any that way (as I do address HB).

    And if I had, what of it?

    I use language as I find it appropriate, and I answer to NOBODY for that.

    If had I personally & directly called somebody a ‘Twinkie,” it would’ve been because she’d have had it coming — just as I call you an obnoxious a___hole because YOU’VE got it coming.

    “You smeared her”

    I don’t smear people. I told you before: smearing requires conflation of 2 (or more) items to falsely defame by implying w/o stating — via proximity of the 2 items to each other — something derogatory

    — or it isn’t smearing. Well, I don’t do that. If I think you’re the eastern end of a west-bound horse, I’ll tell you so, right out; no innuendo, no conflation. (You ARE the eastern end of a west-bound horse; got it?)

  14. @ bernard ross:

    “of course you are defaming her”

    “Not I. She defames herself. I

    But in any case, there’s no fault in defamation per se. What is out of order is FALSE defamation. This is why it is held that truth is a complete defense to a charge of libel, slander, etc.”

    “you call her ‘Twinkie’ but she is defaming herself. Its like a rape victim being blamed for the rape. “

    No, genius, I call her “Twinkie” BECAUSE she defames herself — and because she is content to do so. She is her own victim, and is content to REMAIN so — and she knows exactly what I mean in saying that.

    “Sounds like that ‘marketing’ strategy which you learned from Paul.”

    Since you’ve never read anything written BY the man, you’re only admitting to your own buffoonery in alluding to anything about him.

    What’s more, you take what comes to you second-hand, or third-hand, in this regard — and you twist even THAT to your own putrid purposes. You’re a character assassin and a phony — a twenty-four karat fake, fresh from the sewer.

    “evading of the question: what is that ‘certain type of woman’ embodied in ‘Twinkie’ which you call HB?”

    It’s no ‘evasion.’ She apparently doesn’t think it’s any of your damned business at this point, or she’d have told you by now. And if SHE doesn’t think it’s your business, then YoursTruly doesn’t think so either.

    She & I have discussed it between us, in the past, on this very forum. Exchanges here are not private, but you obviously weren’t paying attention at the time, or you wouldn’t be so doltishly ignorant in the matter. It’s a little late for you to be playing catch-up at this point.

  15. @ honeybee:

    “Huckabee of ARK”

    “High taxes. . . .”

    “You expect to inhabit your place on Earth for nothing?”

    Of course not. After all, somebody’s gotta pay for all the illegal aliens the CA state govt allows (actually, encourages ) to stay & suck up medical, emergency-room, educational & other public services — not to be ignoring the $12 Billion incurred in muni bonds for outrageous and phony embryonic stem cell ‘research’. . . . while it absolutely REFUSES to drill off-shore (or onshore) or sell off vacant govt buildings to corporate interests willing to pay handsomely to own or lease them.

    “Your live in CA, Brown’s taxes are outrageous.”

    Mmm, yes; I wonder why. . . .

    And it must be purely a coincidence that businesses & industries have been annually leaving the state in droves — taking massive numbers of jobs with them.

    But then, you think I would support the Demo Gov. Moonbeam for President??? (That WAS the subject, right? — presidential possibilities?)

    “… or Perry of TX”

    “Gardasil. . . .”

    “Somewhat overbearing…”

    ‘Somewhat’? [harrumph!] — somewhat MANDATORY.

    He could’ve just made it available, with an option to opt-IN.

    Instead, he made it automatic with an option to opt-OUT — knowing that most people will avoid making waves and will just go along with the program (ANY program), without even checking out the details (let alone, making the conscious effort to climb out of that hole).

    Sorry, but that’s “somewhat” MORE than somewhat. . . .”overbearing.”

    “… but “good intensions”

    paving stones of the road to tyranny. . . .

    “learned his lesson.”

    And the lesson is:
    Find a less public way to repay campaign sponsors (or entice potential ones) like Merck & friends? (Sound cynical?)

    “South West Texas is booming. Midland unemployment is 2.3%.”

    Unlike Calif, Texas isn’t afraid of its enviro-wackos — so it has no problem with drilling.

    A lot of the Calif businesses & jobs that left the state

    — are now in Midland. What a surprise.

  16. @ mar55:
    My husband and I we are conservatives. I’m sure TX is the same. Living in NY we always loose our vote. In order to keep the Conservative Party on the ballot we vote conservative except in those cases where they do not have a candidate for the position. In that case we vote Republican. New York is always Democrat and very liberal. We look forward to reestablishing our Republic with democratic values. We are a Republic with a democratic system. I think we are on the same page. This administration has too many controls. We should dismantle them as you said. BTW I have not checked how is it going in Louisiana’s elections. Even if Landrieu looses we
    need six more Republicans to override Obama’s veto.
    Here in NY the rain has not stopped all day. I got wet this morning.

  17. mar55 Said:

    old rag Piven

    The Years have not been kind to her or Hilary.

    mar55 Said:

    totalitarian government

    I wish for a return to Our Rebuplic and a dismastment of Governmental control.

    mar55 Said:

    We will move to Texas” I will rather she and her family moves to Israel

    Bring the rain with you.

  18. @ honeybee:
    @ yamit82:
    The increase in marches around the US and the race division is the cause of the Obama’s administration and all the Alinskytes in this administration. Inn every one of these manifestation you find the professional activists, paid agitators that go all over the US to where they are called. The first one of those was Occupy Wall Street where ou could see the old rag Piven leading the choir of sheep. The students from NYU were given credit by many of the professors for attending to the protests. Obama’s is a follower of Saul Alinsky and so are his trusted advisers in government.
    I disagree with yaamit82. If ever a totalitarian government were to be instituted in this country we will never again know what freedom is. A totalitarian government watches every citizen from the time they wake up to the time they go to sleep.
    If totalitarianism was ever to replace this form of government it would not be for a more conservative government.
    The word itself tell you. It is total strangulation of the individual and of all institution that promotes freedom and value justice. Right now it has been an attempt only marginally successful of control through regulatory measures.
    By attacking many of our institutions and business and controlling and even dismissing some of our effective agencies in government O has attained some of his plan. Starting to change simultaneously many of the changes before people can react. It takes years before many of the lawsuit to dismiss many of the changes reaches the Supreme Court and can be dismantled. Totalitarianism only works in the mind of those who have ever experienced it. How many countries have been able to break free of the suffocating yoke imposed by the system. How many years of suffering and misery?
    What we need is to get rid of the cancer. It is going to be difficult if he gets away with legalizing and nationalizing the illegals already here. They are likely to vote for the Democrat party.

    For the first time in history, leftists are using the machinery of our government to change the state.

    Yes, for the first time the communist ideologues have been able to control the government and its institutions. We hope that all that will change but how. As much as I like Honeybee’s conservatives choices realistically they are unlikely to secure the Republican nomination.
    Well, as my daughter keeps on saying: If things continue going the way they are “We will move to Texas” I will rather she and her family moves to Israel.

  19. @ honeybee:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=goya+black+paintings&biw=1536&bih=793&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=0FKDVL_4IoHCsASOioCwCQ&ved=0CB0QsAQ

    Again I agree with our statement. I had commented before on the marches in NYC but I have no idea how I clicked. It was lost. Here is raining very hard and I should have know better than going out in this weather. Came back earlier but I remained wet for awhile. How is the weather n Texas? Here are some linksto the painters but Velazquez did not come out right. I’ll try again.
    acchus-velasquez/&h=194&w=259&tbnid=x-HOt9nMm8lKUM:&zoom=1&tbnh=143&tbnw=190&usg=__K6sb0GKfFwtqBa9v0wFLNrDmWIs=&docid=6g_aTLKRENOTAM&itg=1&ved=0CJkBEMo3&ei=AU6DVMWAIafnsATX34CQCw
    http://www.doriapamphilj.it/ukinnocenzox.asp
    https://www.google.com/search?q=goya+black+paintings&biw=1536&bih=793&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=0FKDVL_4IoHCsASOioCwCQ&ved=0CB0QsAQ

  20. honeybee Said:

    @ yamit82:
    I watched the ” demonstrators ” out on the streets of NYC last night chanting, ” this is what democracy looks like” and I thought Yamit82 is correct about democracy as a political system.

    Ben Franklin advanced his version of the credo not follow rule: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.That’s the essence of republican or liberal democracy: people submit to majority vote if it does not infringe on their dear values.

    For the first time in history, leftists are using the machinery of government to change the state. This situation is not likely to change anytime soon, leftists will never run out of social, economic and political experiments to conduct.

    My hope is that the leftists will overplay their hand by resorting to totalitarianism. The more unnatural their demands become, more they will have to suppress the voters. Such totalitarianism may eventually result in the replacement of democracies with more conservative public orders, perhaps dictatorships. Though ugly, such dictatorships would stem social experimentation.

  21. @ mar55:

    Fire is necessary to burn wood in order to make the charcoal with which to draw. That applies to the soul of an Artist as well.

  22. @ mar55:

    There is much truth in art, both human nature and the human condition as well as historical events.

    My family had a neighbor a very strange man whose sons were even stranger. One day he arrives at our door with a painting oil, portrait. It turns out the painting was by a 16th century minor master and it hung in our living-room for 3-4 years. He was obviously hiding for safe keeping his treasure but nobody asked questions.

    Wish I could remember the artist but as 15 year old was never interested. My sister might know but I doubt it. Looked like a Rembrandt but many painted in the style.

  23. @ honeybee:
    You are absolutely right. He did dare to paint what he saw.
    and some of the paintings the ones that were more like drawings are extremely powerful. They have remained through centuries as an indictment of the horrors of the Inquisition. His testament to the world of the abuses of the Catholic Church.
    Have you found the portrait or the Cardinal by Velazquez?
    I do not make Thanksgiving anymore. My daughter now does but
    she lives very far away. Without stop 4-1/2 hours. With one or two stops about six hours. It all depends of the traffic.
    I’ll be away from this blog for the last two weeks in December. Going to see the little bugs. Hanukkah is coming and we will there by the 17th. Not before because doctor’s appointments.

  24. dweller Said:

    I said certain type of WOMAN. And it would appear that HB has answered your question [post #25, prev pg]. If you don’t find her comment satisfactory, you should take it up privately with her (if she’ll let you). At that point, it’s no concern of mine.

    another example of your lying, deceptive, evasive MO…
    comment 25 is your comment, comment 26 is HB’s view of herself as a deflection of your smear, which is irrelevant to this discussion which is about your misogynist smears and derogatory use of the word Twinkie to describe and address her. Your attempt to use her deflection of your smear as a red herring is in itself a despicable deception used in sleaziest manner by the lowest of the low.

  25. dweller Said:

    except to selected shmucks like PresentCompany who are probably still smarting from having once (maybe more than once?) been labeled “male chauvinist pigs.” Never actually happened to me (and if it had, I’d have had a good belly-laugh over it).

    considering that the source of this statement engages regularly in (LOL) “marketing” we should consider this attempt at evasion to be the frantic, pathetic, projections of a misogynist smearer trying to smear his accusers with his own proven behavior here.

    Bottom Line: You have admitted to using the term twinkie at HB, you have admitted to using it to describe a “certain kind of woman” since the 70’s….. and yet you continue to run away from explaining what you mean by that “certain kind of woman”?

  26. dweller Said:

    I never gave (and still DON’T give) a roly-poly turd

    roly poly? Did you feel the OC need to describe it in detail? 🙂

    dweller Said:

    it’s HE that likes to play this little game of changing my words to reverse the Burden of Proof.

    You appear to lack a sense of humor, I fixed it for you to point out how absurd your statement was asking people to prove your rantings wrong whereas the assertion of facts requires the evidence or support. Otherwise, we would all be spending our time trying to prove that the lunatic at Bellevue is wrong. DuH?? thats why science calls for the proving of facts asserted rather than calling for the public to prove asserted facts wrong. Its simple common sense, no need to engage in obfuscation…..unless…..
    try to commit this to memory as it will help you to understand the difference between the need to prove lunatics wrong and the need to provide support for the assertion of psychobabble:

    “You’ve NEVER been able to show a single instance of you being right about someone’s emotional and psychological makeup (including your own).”

    🙂

  27. dweller Said:

    And I don’t mean the cheeks that sit on your face

    this tells us more about you than about me 🙂
    Fido is unraveling, his real self is emerging with each bone he returns.

  28. dweller Said:

    Still waiting for YOU to show me a single instance of Paul’s ‘deceiving’ — or attempting to deceive — anybody.

    HMMM? One more example of the deception you use which you call “marketing” instead of lying. Yamit has posted numerous examples of Pauls deception which you have not denied but have termed as “marketing”. you have been shown many instances of those attempts but you lie and say you have never been shown one. Evasions, deceptions, lying… in your narratives you can label this behavior as something else….like “marketing”. In that way you can avoid saying your Hail Mary’s this Sunday.
    dweller Said:

    I’m a follower only of the One who made me.

    you said here that you were a follower of christ

  29. dweller Said:

    “of course you are defaming her”

    Not I. She defames herself.

    LOl, you call her “Twinkie” but she is defaming herself. Its like a rape victim being blamed for the rape. Sounds like that “marketing” strategy which you learned from Paul. Still lots of blah blah blah and still the same evading of the question: what is that “certain type of woman” embodied in “Twinkie” which you call HB?
    dweller Said:

    “let me refresh your memory …”[’Twinkie’] always referred to a certain kind of woman — and that’s the way I’d always used it since at least the late 70’s”

    There’s no contradiction. In the one instance, I was speaking of using the name in alluding to certain women. In the other, I was speaking of using it in addressing (or not addressing) them.

    So now you emply the difference in the definition of alluding and of addressing to obfuscate your fact of lying about recalling the use of Twinkie since the 70’s. bottom line is you have been using the word twinkie to describe or address a “certain type of woman” and you used the same term to address Twinkie to HB. You smeared her but you lie about smearing, you lie about “recalling”, you lie about never lying, you lie about not using psychobabble…
    dweller Said:

    I carefully described the basis, the cause, of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder a while ago, and it was clear at the time that neither of you smugly ignorant, obnoxiously arrogant Bozos had the remotest idea what it entailed

    your description was irrelevant psychobabble, you are obviously compulsive, everyone here has used their “common sense” in being able to observe your compulsive behavior here…same with obsessive. we rely on these 2 traits of yours to provide us with entertainment. We throw fido his bone and each time are proved right when you return with the bone in OC format. we know how you operate. Your obsession with avoiding error and being caught lying results in your lying to cover it up.
    your obsessive compulsive avoidance of the truth, the fictions you conjure up to evade your lies, including this latest absurdity of alluding and addressing are a spitting image of this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV3oQ3pLA0

  30. @ yamit82:

    I watched the ” demonstrators ” out on the streets of NYC last night chanting, ” this is what democracy looks like” and I thought Yamit82 is correct about democracy as a political system.

  31. dweller Said:

    High taxes. . .

    You expect to inhabit your place on Earth for nothing? Your live in CA, Brown’s taxes are outrageous.

    dweller Said:

    Gardasil. . .

    Somewhat overbearing, but “good intension” learned his lesson. South West Texas is booming. Midland unemployment is 2.3%.

  32. mar55 Said:

    You have lost the spunk. You always make me laugh.

    To much Thanksgiving, still recovering. I like the movie because it gave a flavor of the time of Goya and how he work in the political milieu of his day. The French, English, Spanish Catholic Church and still the ability and courage to paint the truth. His paintings were a powerful description of the horrors of war.

  33. @ bernard ross:

    “the follower of Paul engages in deception but pretends he is not lying”

    I’m a follower only of the One who made me.

    But one needn’t be a ‘follower’ of Paul to give him a fair hearing.

    — Something you don’t have the BALLS to do.

    Nobody with the mind of an assassin — like PresentCompany — ever does. The notion of a fair hearing runs directly contrary to such a man’s very purposes.

    Still waiting for YOU to show me a single instance of Paul’s ‘deceiving’ — or attempting to deceive — anybody.

    But of course, to do THAT, you’d have to read what he wrote, now wouldn’t you?

    “are you afraid to be caught lying again?”

    You’ve never succeeded yet. Why would I be afraid of your trying anew?

    (Bored, maybe. But ‘afraid’? — nah.)

    Go for it, dickhead.

  34. @ bernard ross:

    “Smearing and name-calling are not synonymous. I give somebody a name or epithet when it’s appropriate. That is NOT ‘smearing.’ Smearing is about conflation for the purpose of falsely defaming somebody.”

    IOW: No conflation = no smear.

    “of course you are defaming her”

    Not I. She defames herself.

    But in any case, there’s no fault in defamation per se. What is out of order is FALSE defamation. This is why it is held that truth is a complete defense to a charge of libel, slander, etc.

    ” but you believe you can avoid being caught out…”

    There’s nothing to ‘catch out’; you’re grasping at wind.

    “just what do you mean by that ‘certain type of girl’…?”

    It’s YOUR memory that needs refreshing. I said certain type of WOMAN. And it would appear that HB has answered your question [post #25, prev pg]. If you don’t find her comment satisfactory, you should take it up privately with her (if she’ll let you). At that point, it’s no concern of mine.

    “OCD is a very degenerative mental disorder and you got it no doubt about it. You got a lot of other symptoms that could relate to other mad hatter designations but at core OCD seems to fit you like OJ’s Glove. Schizoid is a good fit as well. You are a shrinks delight, so many abnormalities to diagnose in a single turd.”

    “At core”? — he wouldn’t know the core of OCD from the core of a Gravenstein Apple.

    I think he hit the nail on the head

    Actually he hit the thumb holding the nail (at least four times, as I note in one of my previous posts). That psycho babbler knows no more about OCD than you do, twerpy twit.

    “it wont change the facts and the gist. “

    What would YOU know about the facts OR the gist? — I carefully described the basis, the cause, of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder a while ago, and it was clear at the time that neither of you smugly ignorant, obnoxiously arrogant Bozos had the remotest idea what it entailed — let alone, how to to recognize the real article. “Facts”? “Gist”? — ROFLMAO!

  35. @ bernard ross:

    “What I said was that the name was not infrequently used by LOTS of persons as long go as the mid-to-late 70’s to describe a ‘certain kind of woman.’ I don’t recall saying that I personally used it that way — but it wouldn’t bother me to do so — then OR now. I use language in accordance with what I find suitable & appropriate. If they — or PresentCompany — can’t handle it, TFB.

    You should hear what kind of language I use to describe a ‘certain kind of MAN’!

    (Come to think of it, you HAVE heard the language I use to describe a certain kind of man. . . .)”

    “let me refresh your memory …”[’Twinkie’] always referred to a certain kind of woman — and that’s the way I’d always used it since at least the late 70’s”

    There’s no contradiction. In the one instance, I was speaking of using the name in alluding to certain women. In the other, I was speaking of using it in addressing (or not addressing) them.

    This shit is significant for you??? — If so, you’ve got your brains lodged between your cheeks. And I don’t mean the cheeks that sit on your face.

    — I mean the cheeks you sit on.

    I’ve told you, who was given a name like “Twinkie” was never worth taking careful note of — so even how carefully it’s remembered is MEANINGLESS except to selected shmucks like PresentCompany who are probably still smarting from having once (maybe more than once?) been labeled “male chauvinist pigs.” Never actually happened to me (and if it had, I’d have had a good belly-laugh over it).

    — I never gave (and still DON’T give) a roly-poly turd about that bogus issue — or about the imbecilic ding-a-lings of EITHER gender who insist on making it one.

  36. “Actually I think it was phoenix who first called her HB!!!!!!”

    Nope. Phoenix got it from Li’l Ol’ Winemaker, me.

    Same way Ross got to calling CuriousAmerican “Curio” ALSO from me

    — till he saw how it freaked out phoenix to hear him [BR] do that; so he shifted gears to accommodate phoenix.

    “YoursTruly was also the first poster here to ever call her HB instead of ‘Honeybee’ (which I may have used 3 times, if that, in the past several years).”

    “[dweller] counts how many times he called her HB?”

    “No. I said I may have called her “Honeybee” as many as 3 times.
    But then, I had just finished noting that Capt Huff’n’puff doesn’t read for comprehension

    — so it’s no shock that he would get this wrong too.”

    “It doesn’t matter if you used it 3-4-5 times you are nit picking”

    It’s anything BUT nitpicking, and slow-witted Huff’n’puff is STILL missing the point:

    I don’t call her Honeybee; I named her “HB” and I’ve used THAT when referring to her quite consistently ever since. I have rarely used “Honeybee” in referring to her.

    “OCD is a very degenerative mental disorder and you got it no doubt about it.”

    Psychobabble from a babbler, first class.

    “You got a lot of other symptoms that could relate to other mad hatter designations but at core OCD seems to fit you like OJ’s Glove.”

    Psychobabble from a psycho, 2nd class.

    “Schizoid is a good fit as well.”

    Psychobabble from a babbling psycho, 3rd class.

    “You are a shrinks delight, so many abnormalities to diagnose in a single turd.”

    Psychobabble from a psychobabbler, 4 th class.

    “Bottom line remains the bottom line: You’ve NEVER been able to show a single, solitary instance of my being wrong about someone’s emotional and psychological makeup (including your own, B.ROSS). And it’s driving you nuts.”

    “Me!!! Never got one thing right!!!!”

    Of course I got it right. The statement was addressed to Ross, because it’s HE that likes to play this little game of changing my words to reverse the Burden of Proof. But Huff’n’puff is only too happy to play along. So it certainly applies to him as well. However, the post was referenced to Ross — because I am under Ted’s direct and explicit orders to “IGNORE” [Huff’n’puff’s] posts.

    And my understanding is that HE is under similar orders WRT my comments.

    If he wants to flirt with automatic moderation (or worse) for crossing that line, that’s up to him. But I don’t intend to be referencing MY posts to HIM while the order is in effect.
    The ice is thin enough without such flagrant crossings.

    “You don’t know her.”

    “Now how do you know that?”

    “Her posts told me, as they would’ve told ANYBODY who was paying attention. But then, I read for comprehension — and not everybody does.”

    “Show us how you derived that from her posts if you can?”

    Nice try (I’m impressed)

    — but no cigar.

  37. @ honeybee:
    honeybee, the name of the movie was Goya’s Ghost and I saw it when it first played. I had forgotten and my husband asked Netflix to send it. We received it today but I could not even listen to it. When I saw that movie several years ago my reaction was a mix of anger and deep pain. Frustration for the injustice of people who called themselves religious. I could not shake it off for several days. It is too close to home. As my father would say: The crimes of the Catholic Church committed in the name of Christ. Crimes against humanity not only in Spain but in the Orphanages of Ireland. Committed against
    children everywhere where they have been in charge of an institution. In the ruins of their Convents as they demolished them. They have found buried fetuses. The product of some liaisons between some religious who had an affair. The crime of killing a baby was preferable to the scandal of having had an affair between a nun and a priest. How inhumane
    of people who believe in G-d according to them. The Papacy and all these crap invented to subjugate the people. I could go on and on but I rather go to sleep. What is going on? Are you feeling well? Do you have a cold? You do not seem too well.
    You have lost the spunk. You always make me laugh.
    If you are interested I have lots more about the times when
    the Catholic Church ruled with an iron fist and the sanctimonious attitude with which they ruled. Makes me want to puke. Good night. It is Sabbath already. Sunday I’ll be back.

  38. “You know shit!!!!!”

    Well, I certainly DO know the party who MADE that sage & shrewd remark.

    So it’s clear that the substance of it is true.”

    “Haven’t a clue…..You only think you do!!!!!!!!”

    He only thinks I don’t.

    — But HIS posts tell a story too. . . .

    I know him even better than I know HB.

    He’s actually easier to “read.”

    “Still waiting for your Philistine claim sources???”

    After their defeat by David, the P’lishtim remained in place, but were organized less as the confederation they had been and more like the individual city-states they’d first been. The evidence that the Philistines were still a distinct ethnicity BEYOND the “5th century” is that Alexander’s 5-month siege & capture of Gaza—the final city to resist his advance to Egypt (and later Persia) — occurred in 333-332 BC.

    The Philistines held out until Alexander stormed the city. The defenders (assisted by Arabs) fought to the death, women & children taken captive. The polis was resettled by local Bedu seen as not averse to Alexander’s rule. (Of course, after that, who would be?)

    In any case, this is peripheral to the original point: which was that the Philistines — although an existing people in the Land — were not proscribed as were the Seven Nations, and David (and his successors) made no attempt to exterminate or expel them EVEN AFTER THEY’D BEEN CONQUERED

    — such that they continued to abide in the pentapolis of P’leshet for some 6-7 centuries afterward.

    Only reference I can offer w/o lengthy research is John Bagnell Bury, The Cambridge Ancient History, Cambridge U. Press, p 147. It’ll have to suffice till Huffy comes up with something which authoritatively refutes that.

  39. yamit82 Said:

    Liar Liar pants on fire comes to mind.

    I expect he will deny or put it to “marketing”, he would never admit to those things he vehemently denies: psychobabble, lying, misogyny, smearing, insults, etc He just keeps denying, obfuscating with garbage, going on tangents, until it all goes away or the page expires. Its interesting to watch the extent to which he will go to evade and obfuscate his lies.

  40. dweller Said:

    Smearing and name-calling are not synonymous.

    I give somebody a name or epithet when it’s appropriate.

    That is NOT smearing.

    Smearing is about conflation for the purpose of defaming somebody.

    LOL, more tangents and obfuscation…of course you are defaming her but you believe you can avoid being caught out as such as long as you evade the issue…. you are one of those who beleive that they cant be caught as long as they keep denying…LOL
    yamit82 Said:

    OCD is a very degenerative mental disorder and you got it no doubt about it. You got a lot of other symptoms that could relate to other mad hatter designations but at core OCD seems to fit you like OJ’s Glove. Schizoid is a good fit as well. You are a shrinks delight, so many abnormalities to diagnose in a single turd.

    I think he hit the nail on the head; you may quibble, as you are wont to do but it wont change the facts and the gist.