Peloni: A must watch debate between Natasha Hausdorff and Dr Ariel Zemach over the issue of Uti Possidetis Juris as it applies to Israel. It is informative that while Natasha remains fixed on international law and the clear application of it with regards to Israel no different than elsewhere, Dr. Zemach routinely addresses what he sees as moral outrage while also repeatedly imbuing the use of the term of “Palestinian People” when describing the Arabs of 1948 who never described themselves as such til literally decades afterwards when it suited their position to delegitimize Israel. Highly recommended video. Here is the link to the article by Avi Bell and Eugene Kotorovich which Natasha refers to in the video: https://journals.librarypublishing.arizona.edu/arizlrev/article/6934/galley/6408/download/. More of Prof. Kontorovich’s explanaitions of uti possidetis juris can is also lined at the bottom.
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Dr Ariel Zemach is a Senior Lecturer at Ono Academic College in Israel. He holds the degrees of Doctor of the Science of Law (JSD) and Master of Laws (LLM) from Columbia University School of Law and a Bachelor of Laws (LLB) from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
Natasha Hausdorff is a barrister at 6 Pump Court Chambers and a frequent speaker on International Law. She has a law degree from Oxford University, qualified as a solicitor at Skadden, and subsequently gained an LLM from Tel Aviv University, focussing on public international law and the law of armed conflict. She clerked for Miriam Naor, President of Israel’s Supreme Court, and was a fellow at Columbia Law School’s National Security programme. Natasha is legal director of UKLFI Charitable Trust.
The issue is that Israel was supposed to be a Jewish state, and therefore the obvious consequence is that Arabs had to be relocated to Jordan.
In the same way as Germans were relocated from Sudetenland, as well as from Western Poland and from Kaliningrad Oblast.
Additionally nearly all Germans some 1/2 million were expelled from Yugoslavia, a quarter of million from Hungary.
In Romania the situation was more complicated, but eventually from the 800,000 Germans living there in 1939 there were nearly zero left by 1992,
I think Israel could use this as precedence.
And Israel has a much stronger moral right to the land than any of the countries mentioned above.
Why stronger?
Because German population was in the above territories for many centuries, in case of Czechia just as long as Czechs. 1/2 of the Arabs in Israel, were recent migrants or children of such.
Secondly because in many of these countries Germans were fully integrated.
Especially in Hungary and Slovenian and Croatian cities Germans were integrated citizens.
Thirdly, because Germans did not pose threat to the national life of Hungary, Croatia and Slovenia, Arabs were a definite threat to Israel’s existence as a Jewish national state.
@Vivarto I completely agree but what can one say to leftists who claim Jews aren’t even an ethnicity much less a people much less a state and say that’s why they oppose Israel as a Jewish state and who call one a liar when one refers to history. These are people who often have Jewish friends!
Other than to just stop talking to them, which has been my custom up to now.