No apology and no compensation


Ya’alon: Israel won’t apologize for flotilla raid

Minister Ya’alon met Turkish foreign ministry officials last week as part of attempts to solve crisis with Ankara; stressed Israel won’t apologize for actions but will compensate victims’ families

Believe me, paying compensation is a greater acknowledgement of wrong doing than apologizing.

June 24, 2011 | 9 Comments »

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  1. That hot air Newsweek blimp of a rag thought that they could snag Chabad. But nobody cared! At least they have their heads on straight.

  2. Bill Narvey says: You can’t know whether the compensation is right or fair, regardless of how wrong on the surface it seems, without knowing what Netanyahu expects to get for Israel out of this gesture if Turkey accpets.

    Does anyone know?

    Obama’s odd bedfellows

    Israeli-Turkish relations: life after death

    During his election campaign, Netanyahu rightly laughed out the Ministry of Strategic Affairs as a sinecure created to bribe Lieberman. Upon the election, Bibi used the post to employ Moshe Yaalon.

    Now Netanyahu sent him to meet Erdogan in Ankara in the US-mediated effort to mend Israeli-Turkish relations. After years of staking his credentials on Turkey’s rapprochement with Arab countries, and then with Iran-Syria’s axis, and failing in all of his foreign endeavors, Erdogan found a fellow loser in Obama. The Turkish president accepted accordingly to reestablish security cooperation with Israel.

    Such policy is doomed. Both Israeli and Syrian rulers, as well as Hamas chiefs deeply distrust Erdogan. He has no future as their mediator. After Erdogan’s purges, Turkey’s security services are stoked with Israel-bashers, and the spirit of cooperation which pervaded our relations before has evaporated. Now that Turkish intelligence is ousted from Syria and Iran, and Turkey is oriented toward the US for all of its military needs, Israeli intelligence and military-industrial communities are not particularly excited about the cooperation

    Leon Panetta will soon become the US Secretary of Defense; a Greenpeace type will head the world’s strongest military machine.

    Gen. Petraeus will lead the CIA. This reflects a new paradigm: wars conducted by drones instead of soldiers. Too indecisive for proper military action, yet too imperially-minded to avoid foreign incursions, US presidents increasingly opt for undeclared proxy wars. Petraeus lost the war in Afghanistan. He achieved a temporary victory in Iraq because of three factors: Iran scaled down its involvement in Iraq to let the Americans go, Maliki proved a more savage ruler than Saddam, and tribal chiefs gladly accepted bribes to get rid of the hated Al Qaeda. Such luck will not be available in Yemen, Sudan, Sinai or other places of interest to the CIA in our region.

    Obama traded Mubarak for Erdogan, the new lynchpin of America’s Middle East policy. The differences are glaring: unlike Mubarak, Erdogan is a talkative type. He is weak, silly, and Islamist. Erdogan shares with Obama the fundamental leftist notion that every political problem can be mediated. For decades, the United States served as an international arbiter. Now Erdogan is trying unsuccessfully to develop Turkey into a regional mediator: Israel-Syria, Saudi-Syria, West-Iran, etc. Shamefully, Netanyahu has joined the empty Obama-Erdogan alliance.

    Obama mildly criticized Assad and mostly ignored the ayatollahs when they engaged in bloody repressions. But he tried to assassinate Gadhafi who was helping the West to fight Al Qaeda groups in Africa. Obama accepted the loss of America’s strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia and gave the green light to its nuclearization.

    Obama’s actions, we believe, are guided by the leftist urge to create a blank slate on which to create a shining new world. Ever since the Iranian revolution and the advent of Palestinian terrorism, leftists have supported the Muslim cause because Islamists were also bent on destroying the current political order.

    Even if the rumors, reported by Debka, of a Turkish invasion of northern Syria are true, the incursion will be limited to a narrow border area so that refugee camps can be set up in Syria rather than Turkey. This, by the way, shows Israel what normal countries do to stem the flow of illegal immigrants. Israel, however, lacks the guts to set up refugee camps for Africans in Sinai, and even entertains the idea of allowing Palestinian refugees into the Jewish state.

    The Turkish invasion of Syria was probably coordinated with Assad, who only profits by preventing a widely publicized exodus of his citizens, and can also count on the Turks to disrupt the rebels’ movements. Erdogan is probably not so crazy as to comply with Obama’s bidding and send his troops into Syria against Assad’s wishes; the consequence of such an action could well be Syrian missile strikes on Turkey and a pretext for Iran to send troops into Syria.

  3. Bill Narvey says: You can’t know whether the compensation is right or fair, regardless of how wrong on the surface it seems, without knowing what Netanyahu expects to get for Israel out of this gesture if Turkey accpets.

    Does anyone know?

    Since Muslim Turkey can’t be trusted politically and since they are in the midst with a rift with Syria, Since Assad my be dethroned either by CIA paid insurgents + others, since Iran turkey rapprochement, looks iffy, since the US wants Turkey in the fold (NATO): part of the deal is reasonable relations with Israel.

    Then some of Israel’s oligarchy wants to keep turkey trade as they either own or control companies that stand to lose if a real break materialize. Compensation is a small price if our billionaires remain happy.

    See my comment #2

  4. The default view is that Netanyahu needs his head examined to offer compensation. Israel obviously wants back into the good graces of Turkey to the extent of the relationship she had before, so compensation is the price of admission.

    You can’t know whether the compensation is right or fair, regardless of how wrong on the surface it seems, without knowing what Netanyahu expects to get for Israel out of this gesture if Turkey accpets.

    Does anyone know?

  5. “The Midrash says that when Eliezer [the servant of Abraham] went to Sodom, a man threw a rock at him and he started bleeding.

    “When Eliezer went to court, the judge ruled that Eliezer has to COMPENSATE the man

    for the medical service of bloodletting.

    “Eliezer promptly threw a rock at the judge,

    which caused the judge to bleed

    — and told the judge that the money he [the judge] owes to Eliezer

    for bloodletting

    should be paid to the first man.

    [Found among the responses to the linked original article on Ynet.]

  6. Yup. Disgusting. Israel’s government stabs its marines in the back instead of backing them up, it runs to kiss and make up with those who hate the Jews and Israel.

    Stupid Jews!

  7. Laura says:
    June 24, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    You are right Ted. It is an outrage that Israel would even consider paying the families of these terrorists who committed an act of war against Israel. Turkey should be paying compensation to Israel. The political leadership of Israel disgusts me.


    This is the only principle that moves our POLITICIANS!!!

    Money makes the world go around,
    the world go around, the world go around,
    Money makes the world go around,
    it makes the world go round.

    A mark, a yen, a buck or a pound,
    a buck or a pound, a buck or a pound,
    Is all that makes the world go around,
    that clinking clanking sound,
    Can make the world go round

    For money makes the world go around, the world go around,
    the world go around.
    Money makes the world go around,
    the clinking, clanking sound
    of Money, money, money, money,
    Money, money, money, money,
    Get a little, get a little,
    Money, money, money, money,

    Mark, a yen, a buck or a pound,
    That clinking, clanking clunking sound
    is all that makes the world go round,
    It makes the world go round.

  8. You are right Ted. It is an outrage that Israel would even consider paying the families of these terrorists who committed an act of war against Israel. Turkey should be paying compensation to Israel. The political leadership of Israel disgusts me.