Uri Ariel calls for improving conditions in areas A and B, applying Israeli sovereignty elsewhere, says PM’s peace bid futile
MOSCOW – Israeli minister Uri Ariel proposed removing “a few thousand Arabs” from Area C of the West Bank –– the 60% of the territory fully controlled by Israel — and then annexing it.
In an interview with The Times of Israel on Tuesday, Ariel (Jewish Home), the agriculture minister, also said the Israeli right is unconcerned over recent peace overtures by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu since they will eventually come to nothing. Nonetheless, Ariel, who opposes Palestinian statehood, complained that by invoking a desire for a two-state solution, Netanyahu is fueling the notion held by many Israelis that the creation of a Palestinian state is inevitable.
Rather than Palestinian statehood, Ariel urged the annexation of Area C and said NIS 10 billion (some $2.6 billion) should be poured into the other Palestinian areas to drastically improve the local population’s quality of life.
“We have to aspire to the annexation of Area C; these are areas where there are no Arabs at all,” Ariel said. “We would remove a few thousand, who do not constitute a significant numerical factor,” he added. Ariel did not specify how those Palestinians would be removed, or where they would be relocated.
Ariel’s party leader, Naftali Bennett, who has long proposed annexing Area C, has acknowledged that many tens of thousands of Palestinians live there, and said they should be given the option of Israeli citizenship. Ariel, by contrast, previously called for Israel to annex the entire West Bank, giving the Palestinians “permanent resident” status in the expanded Israel, and the possibility of full voting rights.
On the issue of Netanyahu’s recent talk of peace overtures, Ariel said: “I am not worried so much, even though there are surprises in life.”
Netanyahu’s repeatedly declared desire to reach a peace agreement with the Palestinians and his recent partial embrace of the Arab Peace Initiative, which calls for an Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 lines and a “just” and “agreed” solution to the refugee question, will lead nowhere because of Palestinian rejectionism, Ariel said.
“In the end the Arabs will not agree [because] there is no ‘right of return’ — and they want to return to wherever they want,” said Ariel, a long-time settler leader before he entered the Knesset with the right-wing Jewish Home. “In Israel everyone agrees — even the [center-left] Zionist Union — that there will be no right of return. And there are other issues which for the (Palestinians) are non-negotiable.”
However, Ariel continued, “there is an ongoing attack on the Israeli consciousness regarding the righteousness of our way.” Netanyahu, and others pledging allegiance to the idea of Palestinian statehood, contributes to a public perception that giving away parts of the Jewish homeland is inevitable, he said.
“Terms like ‘two states for two peoples’ lead the people that dwell in Zion [the Israeli people] to doubt our cause,” he said. Even those who believe in Israel’s right to the entire territory of the Holy Land start arguing that there is no other choice because the world insists on the creation of a Palestinian state, the minister said.
Ariel is the head of the far-right Tekuma faction in the Jewish Home party. He said he agrees with party leader Bennett, who has threatened to bolt the coalition should the government make territorial concessions.
“There is no way that we remain in a government that takes territory from the Land of Israel and hands it to others — the word ‘return’ isn’t appropriate — it’s ours, not theirs,” he said. “We have been there [in the West Bank] for 49 years, 50 years — compared to 19 years in which the Jordanians [controlled it.] There can be no comparison. It’s absurd.”
Ariel noted, however, that he had not discussed the peace process or related topics during recent talks with Netanyahu. He flew with the prime minister on this trip to Moscow this week — where he signed a memorandum of understanding on cooperation in agriculture, the dairy industry and advanced dairy technology with his Russian counterpart, Alexander Tkachev.
“We didn’t talk about this [issue], not even one word. We talked about other important issues. There are other important issues,” Uriel said.
Speaking to The Times of Israel on the sidelines of an Israel-themed exhibition near the Kremlin, Ariel said the government should launch a “very wide-ranging economic peace” with the Palestinians in the West Bank. “Bring gas to Nablus and water to Hebron and build roads and hospitals and whatever they need. This is possible and it is necessary.”
Specifically, the government should earmark NIS 10 billion ($2.6 billion) over the next 10 years to “invest in economic projects that benefit the population,” he said. Major projects should be launched unilaterally, he added.
“In order to lay a gas pipeline to Hebron you don’t need anyone’s agreement. Just do it,” he said. “This is not something the State of Israel can’t cope with. We could do it unilaterally, and tell the world what we’re doing. I think doors will open in a way that is not happening today.”
In addition to such economic measures for areas A and B, Ariel called for the annexation of Area C, arguing that the very few Palestinians who live there could easily be evacuated.
It is a fallacy to argue that an Israeli annexation of large parts of the West Bank is impossible due to universal international opposition to such a move, he argued.
“They said it wouldn’t happen and then it happened: They said there wouldn’t be a Jewish state, and it was created,” Ariel said. The annexation of East Jerusalem, the absorption of a million Russian Jews, the evacuation of thousands of Israeli Jews from Gaza and other events that people refused to believe could happen prove that “one can never say never,” he said. “In Israel, the most expected thing is that every 10 years an unexpected mega-event occurs.”
CuriousAmerican Said:
It was FOUNDED by Jews, and certainly not Orthodox Jews, so the initial Board of Directors was all Jewish, certainly, someone has to fund the land purchase, then shares get sold. Technically upon founding it was exclusively Jewish but there was no restriction on ownership of shares.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Careful when you call people names.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x6o_tBU8DU
Ms lair Ma’am to you !!!
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CuriousAmerican Said:
There are no Pals in ” Palestine” long ago they were replace by Arab infiltrators.
CuriousAmerican Said:
You have already called so many names what does another one matter.
You are lying. Keep it up, and I will call you a liar.
For the most part that is true. We agree. And what a rare event that is.
The Arabic numeral system was actually invented by the Hindu Aryans; and merely transmitted by Arab traders to the Western world.
But the Palestinians are not typical Arabs.
@ CuriousAmerican:
Muslims are intellectual thieves.
CuriousAmerican Said:
It was probably “exclusive” to exclude Anti-Semitics such as yourself.
Islam is nuts I grant you. Mohammed was evil.
However, is the desire to re-take Spain, after its loss to Islam 524 years ago, any more obsessive than the early Zionist desire to re-take Israel, after the final loss of Bar Kochba to Romans, 1750 years later in the 1880s?
If the desire to return to Spain after a mere 500 years is crazy, what is the desire to return to Israel 1750 years later?
The issue is not even craziness; but value of the culture, and whether or not the Abrahamic Covenant is true.
I hope Spain remains Christian, but you and the Arabs are both sons of Abraham. You have similar obsessions and traits.
For ex:
A) It is very hard for Christian missionaries to convince to convert either Jew or Muslim. Buddists and Hindus switch, but until a generation ago, Muslims and Jews rarely converted to Christianity. Priests and Preachers noted how hard it was to see a Muslim or Jew convert.
B) Both Muslim and Jew feel they are the chosen people
C) Both Jews and Muslims have land based religion. Hence the fight over Jerusalem. Christianity, especially Protestant varieties, do not require possession of a city for Christianity to be practiced fully.
D) Both Islam and Judaism have similar dietary restrictions.
E) Circumcision
The ferocity of this struggle is because the Palestinians are your cousins.
In the first and second century, the Romans thought Jews were terrorists, the sicarii (zealots).
Roman Occupation and the Sicarii Terror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8evRFOW3Wus
Much of the complaints you air against Palestinians have also been aired against Jews in the past.
The chief difference is that the Jews are a bit more logical, while Arabs are more irrational.
I hope Israel wins, but take it easy on the criticism of Palestinians.
Do they kill civilians? Yes!
So did the Irgun, the Lehi, the Sicarii.
Did they colloborate with Nazis? Yes!
So did Avraham Stern, and possibly Ythzhak Shamir.
Are Jews the intellectual elite of the Western World? Yes.
Palestinians are the intellectual elite of the Arab World.
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This fight is so fierce precisely because you are so related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tliYViOcvFU
Honeybee, he got it wrong. The Hillcrest Club used to be Jewish only.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillcrest_Country_Club_(Los_Angeles)
It was Jewish only, and integrated only later.
@ deanblake:
Thank you for clarifying that for CA.
@ CuriousAmerican:
Hillcrest Country Club is and was not ‘Jewish only’, it was integrated but founded in response to exclusion to that other club.
@ deanblake:
It is only a matter of THEIR fanatical believe system. Who cares!It is a deicidal IDEOLOGY!
@ CuriousAmerican:
Islam is the problem because of their Doctrine that conquered lands are forever ‘liberated’ to Islamic identity and rule over non-Muslims residing there. Spain is next by the doctrine of jihad.
@ CuriousAmerican:
Yes, I am aware of Plessey VR Ferguson, seperate but equal.
You are aware that, at that time, Hollywood had elite Jewish only clubs like the Hillcrest Country Club.
@ CuriousAmerican:
Viking women , you’re in the crosshairs lille.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEXIHy_kB-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEXIHy_kB-4
CuriousAmerican Said:
M y Mother is Swedish-American. I meant top half or bottom half, left side or right side.
Groucho Marx daughter was denied membership in Pool Club, he promised that since she was only half Jewish, she would only wade in the pool up to her waist.
Why does it matter.
Obed had a Moabite Mother, and a Jewish father.
Wasn’t Obed a Jew?!
Drexler’s Father is Jewish. Mother Christian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HcMLzl7qMQ
But if you think he is not a Jew …. THEN YOU ARE BEING RIDICULOUS AND IT IS YOUR LOSS.
CuriousAmerican Said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rYBPJBtph8
I am waiting !!!!! On the hot streets of Hondo.
Or does yawl only shoot blanks????
Adios Siesta.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Still raising Herefords ? Why are they running their beef for the video? Great horses are the Pasofinos?
CuriousAmerican Said:
They only seem big to small people.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Not when he made the quote. His daughter married a Jew and is raising her children Jewish.
CuriousAmerican Said:
CuriousAmerican Said:
So did Germany.
Which half ?
You taste in music is improving.
The man who said that was Muslim. Bad quote.
I guess the stereotype of Texans telling big tales is true.
CuriousAmerican Said:
The appellations of Hamas are in themselves support.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Float like Butterfly, sting like a Bee. I only beehave as I was created. Braggadocio? Another word for the truth.
To Honeybee:
This is a root of the problem
That is the issue. Unfortunately, the Arabs have NOT forgotten in one or two generations.
Islam fuels the problem, but is not the cause.
Rabid wolves attack alone. Good metaphor for Arabs.
I stand by the metaphor and the observation. A lot of these attacks are NOT pre-authorized by Hamas, but are applauded after-the-fact.
Though, Hamas does help produce the climate which creates the lone wolf attacks.
But, ironically, Hamas was created by Israel as an alternative to the PLO.
Israel hoped Hamas would confine itself to the Islamic religion only; but the assessment backfired.
Even were Hamas NOT to exist; even were the PLO NOT to exist; even were the Muslim Brotherhood NOT to exist; Esau hates Jacob,and this struggle would go on in another form.
Islam is a symptom a deeper problem, and is not the root of the problem.
I thought you were His spokesperson — or was that just Texas braggadocio.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Take that up with Almighty, not me.
Do NOT blame me. Read Herzl’s The Jewish State. Herzl suggested South America, specifically, Patagonia in Argentina. Though, I think climatically, Uruguay is closer to your preferences. Simile to coastal Texas in climate.
In fact, Uruguay is a major source of beef. Think of it as South America’s Texas, which indeed it is. A warm flatland good for raising beef. Even got cowboys, only they call them gauchos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njpOqoBrEfs
And Uruguay even has prominent Jews:
By Jorge Drexler (half Jewish) – Song (Tango Hall of the Jewish Moor)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myVi6pVYYb8
Drexler won an academy aware for this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuiUkxz0dqE
You would expect nothing less from Texans – even if South America’s version of a Texan (Uruguayan)
And this is the kicker. Texas joined the USA. But Uruguay never joined Argentina.
So think of Uruguay as an Independent Texas in South America.
Much to recommend it to you, honeybee. You already speak Spanish.
The point is: Had the Jews picked Uruguay – or Herzl’s Patagonia, the Arabs would not have cared one whit about a Jewish state.
The Arabs are not opposed to a Jewish state per se, just a Jewish state in what they see/perceive as their Ummah (Arab Homeland).
Hence the root cause of the struggle is NOT Islam – though Islam certainly aggravates its – but rather the root cause is an Arab perception or misperception that Jews have stolen Arab land.
That is the root problem. And, since they are not Jews, they do not place as much value in the Abrahamic Covenant as you do. Without that respect for the Abrahamic Covenant, the arrival of European Jews in the 19th/20th century under British protection does look like imperialism. Even Jabotisnky admitted it.
THAT IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.
Islam merely inflames the issue.
Again, this will not go away easily.
But before you die, you have to visit Uruguay … or the very similar Pampas de Argentina.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Only 50,0000 !!!! How many Nazis in Israel ?
At the most, only 50,000 Nazis went to S. America. Most South American Germans were not Nazis.
Peron was a strongman, but not anti-semitic. His advisor was Jewish.
José Ber Gelbard
Anyway, in 1950, there were 300,000 Jews in Argentina. 6x the number of any Nazis who would have shown up after WWII. And that does not even include the number of German-Argentines who had fled Hitler in the 1930s. The Jews would have been safe.
To kill or be killed?! Be specific!
When someone needs killin’, I would think a Texan like you is best to handle the particulars.
Una canción, muy apropiado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ouTCFdu1w4
CuriousAmerican Said:
the
The Almighty did not give Uruguay to the Jew, The Almighty , most specifically, gave Israel to the Jews.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Ah the martyrdom good ” good intentions”.
CuriousAmerican Said:
ARGENTINA !!!!! Where the ” rat line” of Nazis escaping Europe ended !!!!!!!!!!
CuriousAmerican Said:
You need to give up the booze, your becoming delusional.
CuriousAmerican Said:
I have a dear friend who raises beef in Western Oregon along the Snake River in the Wallowa Valley. They have wolves on their place and from I have learned wolves hunt in packs. No lone wolves , animal or human. Pal. terrorist hunt in packs too. There is ALWAYS a support pack !!!!
CuriousAmerican Said:
Are you volunteering?
CuriousAmerican Said:
First honest statement you have made.
You start first by capturing killing or jailing all terrorists. Deporting terrorists families and supporters and annexing Area C. Remember this is a war and not a criminal proceeding. So the rules of the game are to survive and win period end of story.
A start would be to pass this bill. Lapid calls on government to deport terrorists’ families
Yesh Atid chief says ‘in the face of evil terror there is no coalition and opposition,’ urges gov’t to adopt expulsion bill he co-sponsored. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/213475#.V1k2iOQorv9
Wrong! And that charge of professional victim is often hurled at Jews. Be careful before using it.
After WWII, the blood hated of the Jews has faded in the West. Had there been no continual war in the Mideast, with Jerusalem at the center, the West would have been blithely happy to ignore Israel.
I amazed at how any opinion not liked is labelled anti-semitism.
The truth is that much of the West’s anti-Israelism is frustration at what it is costing the West.
The birth of Israel has inflamed the Arab Ummah not only against Israel, but against the West for initially supporting the creation of Israel through the San Remo document. It is like a red flag in front of the Arab bull.
The West just wants the Islamic bull appeased.
No, you do not understand the situation, because you refuse to admit what the background is – chiefly because to admit the root of the problem is to invite a history that you, being Jews, might discount; but you know that we HaGoyim will not.
The ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS: The Arabs feel they were driven off of their land by European/British backed imperialism backing the Jews. Jews do not see it as imperialism, but Arabs do. You cannot convince the Arabs otherwise.
THAT IS THE REAL ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.
Had the Jews settled in Argentina – as Herzl wanted – the Arabs would have had no problem with the Jewish state.
I am not saying the Arabs are right. I am noticing what they believe.
Frankly, confined to areas A&B, and with no control over their borders, there is not much they can do to improve their lot.
Anti-semitism has become an overused cry. It has lost its power.
The fact is – as Jabotinsky noted –
This is the real reason, as Jabotinsky noted:
That analysis above was by the original Right Wing Zionist. He diagnosed the problem.
Wrongly or Rightly, the Arabs feel you have stolen their land. THIS IS THE ROOT PROBLEM.
THIS VIDEO BELOW SHOWS THE ORIGIN OF THE PROBLEM. The leader of Islamic Jihad in Gaza is stating it to the children in the audience. (I set it to the right time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01e2eLdRSek&t=6m03s
This is what Jabotinksky TOLD YOU would be the problem.
The problem is not anti-semitism. The Arabs are indeed terrible anti-semites, but had Israel bought land in Uruguay, the Arabs would not be killing Jews.
The problem is – as Jabotinsky told you – and as the Islamic Jihad guy says – they the Arabs feel that you stole their land.
Had the Arabs given up, Europe would not be supporting them.
Europe just wants the issue to stop, and supports whichever wheel is squeaking loudest.
I am not saying Israel is wrong. I am saying your analysis is.
The root of the problem is: The Arabs -wrongly or rightly – feel they are the victims.
The Arabs feel they are the victims of imperialism, and they refuse to surrender over it. It matters not what you feel. They feel otherwise.
JABOTINSKY TOLD YOU THIS. Islam is their method of resistance; but had they not been Muslims, they would have resisted anyway.
Islam is evil, I grant you.
But Jabotinsky told you. ALL NATIVES RESIST COLONIZATION.
The root problem is not anti-semitism – though indeed it exists – but a perception/delusion of colonial imperialism. That is harder to explain away; and therefore most Jewish defenders like to redefine the problem in terms of an anti-semitism that, though it exists, is not the root cause.
Much of the West’s irrational response is grounded not in anti-semitism but in irrational Leftism.
I know that is not politic to say on this board, but it is the real root.
Who do you kill in retaliation?
Do you kill the first Arab you see? Some here might approve.
If you can trace it to Hamas, you might have a casus belli to attack Hamas in Gaza.
Re-invade Gaza, and this time stay.
However, I do not think Hamas is stupid enough to start these attacks. They tend to applaud after-the-fact; and to take credit for lone wolf attacks that were organized independent of their command structure, as this one probably was.
You might hold Hamas responsible for contributing to the atmosphere where such lone wolfs can arise. Then invade Gaza.
Or, since these attackers were Hebronites, confiscate some dumans of Hebron land in retaliation; but the world will howl over that – not that many on this board care; but there will be blowback.
What might be a good idea – and might be justifiable would be to declare: One more attack, and Israel confiscates what you the Arabs call the Al Aqsa Mosque.
But, Israel has no easy options. It is easy to call for blood, but your government does not have the mettle to withstand the blowback.
It is a difficult situation.
May the victims and their families find peace.
bernard ross Said:
When the finally quite talking. Israeli dead on the streets and the shooter is in surgery.? The soldier who shot “stabber” is being tried for Manslaughter.?
deanblake Said:
The Pal only purpose is to be the victims. And the West loves to support victims aganist the Jews. For the Pal, it has become a “raison d’ etre”. They have no interest in improving their lot! Western antisemitism is the only rational way to explain the behavior of the geniuses of the West.
It is time for Liberman to reverse Yaalons despicable abuse of authority and free the political prisoners. Otherwise Liberman will be no better than yaalon. Let him show NOW why he is better than Yaalon……. it is not interfering… it is reversing a travesty of Justice illegally implemented.
so when will the Jews begin to kill their enemies?
It doesn’t comport with goyisha mentality to give the Pals something for nothing to improve their lives. As much sympathy I have with the Pals for their living conditions and the corruption of their leadership, the fact is they are tolerating their current conditions and really don’t seem to know a much better life and don’t demand it from their own leadership. In fact, they will never have good leadership unless and until someone of their own provides these public services.
A good example is Harrari of Lebanon. He was closely connected with Western construction interests and owned a big construction industry and thus became President of Lebanon by paving roads. And his quality of leadership in improving the conditions in Lebanon is EXACTLY why he was ASSASSINATED by the Arabs. That’s why the USA bombed the overpass freeway bridges in Lebanon to punish Hezbollah; kill ‘our man’ in Lebanon and we take away the benefits he provided.
I agree with annexing area C immediately, but give the Arabs nothing for nothing. They need to be invested in the improvement of their own condition in order to restrain from jeopardizing it by making war or jihad with Israel, and it will be an opportunity for good leadership among the Pals.
I’d much prefer and pray that Israelis come to their senses and annex all Judea and Samaria not just area A! Every muslim who wishes to remain in Israel (current Israel proper and the newly annexed ‘West Bank’ must take an oath to be a loyal citizen of the Jewish State. They must do service like the Jewish citizens but they can elect to plant trees or do other paramilitary service instead of serving in the IDF directly. If they refuse to take such an oath or they are determined to be terrorists and/or terrorist sympathizers, they should be forced out of the country.
Only after this scenario is stable should Israel invest in infrastructure in all areas of Judea and Samaria!