There Will Never Be Peace In Ukraine

Peloni:  It will take real leadership in the West to prove Benz wrong. Today, America has such leadership in President Trump to resist the avarice and influence which began and maintains the Ukrainian war fever, but where is his like to be found in Europe? Where is his like to be found in the US?  The paucity of competent leadership in the West is a tragic reality with tangible consquences, which will perpetuate the tragedy of Ukraine across Europe and into the future.

March 5, 2025 | 31 Comments »

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  1. googled mitnagdim moshiach vs chasidim and got

    “AI Overview

    +6
    The term “Mitnagdim” refers to those who opposed the Hasidic movement, a revivalist movement emphasizing emotional and mystical devotion, while “Chasidim” are those who follow Hasidic Judaism. The Mitnagdim, who were themselves Orthodox Jews, were critical of the Hasidic movement’s emphasis on mystical teachings and the role of Hasidic leaders, and their differences stemmed from differing approaches to Jewish practice and belief.
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  2. I goggled: Do all Orthodox Jews belueve in Moshiachand got

    “AI Overview

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    Yes, all Orthodox Jews believe in the eventual coming of the Mashiach (Messiah), a central tenet of their faith, as it’s part of Maimonides’ 13 Principles of Faith.
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    Mashiach as a Fundamental Belief:
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    Not a Divine Figure:
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    Not a God-Man:
    Traditional Judaism (Orthodox and Conservative) has never viewed the Messiah as a God-Man, but only a man with unusual power from God who will manifest the qualities of a prophet, priest, and king in Israel.
    Prophetic Expectations:
    The concept of the Mashiach is rooted in the prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible, which foretell the coming of a leader who will bring peace and justice to the world. ”

  3. Googled Chabad moshiach and got:

    “AI Overview

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    In Chabad Judaism, the Moshiach (messiah) is the Jewish leader who will usher in the Messianic Era. The belief in the Moshiach is central to Chabad messianism, a prominent branch of Hasidic Judaism.
    Who is the Moshiach?
    The Moshiach will be a descendant of King David and Solomon
    He will be a great leader, military leader, and judge
    He will be well-versed in Jewish law and observant of its commandments
    He will rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem
    He will gather the Jewish people from all over the world and return them to the Promised Land
    The Messianic Era
    The Messianic Era will be an era of world peace and G?dly awareness
    There will be no more war
    The dead will be brought back to life
    Miracles will become the daily norm
    The Chabad-Lubavitch community
    The Chabad-Lubavitch community believes that Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the seventh Rebbe of the Chabad-Lubavitch dynasty, is the awaited Messiah. “

  4. @Edgar Which Rabbi Herzog? The one in Saudi Arabia? Didn’t you grow up in Ireland? I read that he’s an American born in 1976, who made aliya just a few years ago.

  5. RAFI-

    Let me change your statement to fact. SOME members of Orthodox communities believe in the literal advent of a Moshiach, because they are ultra frum. But MOST do not believe, make a joke of it, They are modern, whilst still belonging to an Orthodox congregation. Many who do, don’t practice orthodoxy, but their parents and family were part of the Congregation so…so are they.

    I grew up in the Community of Rabbi Herzog who lived across the road. Our families were friends. Chaim and my beloved elder brother were closest friends. My wonderful father was Parnass of our shool for over 35 years. Yet we did not believe that an actual Moshiach would ever emerge since he had not when we needed him most during the previous many centuries. I can recall only a single member out of about 200 who did. And he was mashugga frum, also regarded as mashugga…….
    Poring day and night over Talmud, listening carefully to every word of every prayer in every service and correcting pronunciations and other errors as they sometimes occurred.

    The Moshiach is only a “wish”, born of desperation, not actual expected events, except by those I’ve described. Many Habadniks even regard the Rebbe as the Moshiach……How could he be,???????????????

    Where was the Moshiach during the Holocaust.??? The conquering leader is described exactly as Medieval leaders were, in the early Middle Ages.
    Some even have him on a white horse………………….

    NO….. Orthodoxy is more a name than a genuine practice for many..

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    Jewish community
    Odessa was home to one of the largest, wealthiest, and most culturally fertile Jewish communities in Europe
    The city’s Jewish educational institutions served as models for other communities

  7. @Edgar Jewish beliefs are not monolithic. Orthodox Jewish beliefs do believe in a Messiah coming to earth.

    You maybe right that the largest amount of Jews do not believe in a Moshiach coming to earth in a human form. I doubt the Reform believe in this but then I never heard a poll on this subject from reform Jews.

    Edgar, if you wish read the following references and give me you view if they do not reference the coming of the Mosiach?

    Biblical Passages Referring to the Mashiach

    The following passages in the Jewish scriptures are the ones that Jews consider to be messianic in nature or relating to the end of days. These are the ones that we rely upon in developing our messianic concept:

    Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20
    Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39
    Ezekiel 38:16
    Hosea 3:4-3:5
    Micah 4
    Zephaniah 3:9
    Zechariah 14:9
    Daniel 10:14

  8. @Peloni Well, there’s Geert Wilders and Nigel Farage though there’s less they can do, at the moment.

  9. RAFI-

    I’m not telling you what to write…if I did , I’d tell you not to write at all ,particularly that “simple Simon” stuff I referred to

    I suspected it might be some Chassidic nonsense, that it turned out to be.

    You should know-as you don’t seem to – that the Lubavitcher beliefs are not exactly those of the bulk of Judaism. They are indeed Rebbe inspired, noted for their piety and charities but not for any intellectual brainwork.
    The Rebbe had it all.

    Those heavy flying saucers they insist on wearing show up their eccentricities along with regarding their last Rebbe, one of the greatest men -Jew or Gentile in history, but just a man, as The Moshiach, subtly encouraged by him, who, poor soul, was helpless in his last 2 years.

    I had the greatest reverence for him and have has his picture on my wall for nearly 45 years.

  11. Mikkeleh-

    You don’t ask “questions” you bulldoze with vulgar coarse tirades of Americaese that NO gentleman I’ve met on Israpundit -and you’re NOT one- has ever felt the need to use.

    The term “MOSHIACH” as expected by downtrodden despairing “turned to the Torah for Succour Jews is NOT mentioned as such in the TANACH< which as you might -or not- know is the complete Hebrew BIBLE.

    I defy you to point it our to me, not Prophets quoting what "must' according to YOU, be the moshiach.

    They could refer to leaders like Yehuda of Galilee, Elieazar, or Bar Kocheba, or Shabtai Tzve, or even a paunchy rheumatic, bandy legged boney kneed individual like yourself.

    But NO triumphant Chsrematic Conquering Hero, as the foolish and lost Jews expected.

    One thing, my “friend” (now doubtful) I will answer No More abusive vulgarly phrased 4 lettered word diatribes FROM YOU. or anyone as common as you. you are not fit to address a gentleman. Go back to your pen with the rest of your curly tailed pals.
    Doubtless you feel more equal than we poor Jews.

    As for Asimov, a Great and Famous writer, he was a biochemist, so you might learn something if you read him. possibly you might understand his texts, to some degree…..possibly.

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  12. RAFI-

    Please do NOT refer us to a BOOK where A convinced innocent is a supposed authority on MOSHIACH.

    The term MOSHIACH as expected by later foolish and desperate Jews as NOT mentioned in the Tanach as such.

    LOOK IT UP

  13. The Scriptures are replete with messianic quotes. In Deuteronomy 30:1 Moses prophesies that, after the Jews have been scattered to the four corners of the earth, there will come a time when they will repent and return to Israel, where they will fulfill all the commandments of the Torah. The gentile prophet Balaam prophesies that this return will be led by Moshiach (see Numbers 24:17–20). Jacob refers to Moshiach by the name Shiloh (Genesis 49:10).

    The prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, Joel and Hosea all refer to the messianic era. (For full references, the reader is referred to the book Moshiach by Rabbi Dr. J.I. Schochet.) It is interesting to note that the wall outside the United Nations Building in New York is inscribed with the quote from Isaiah (2:4), “They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war any more.” Furthermore, it is clear from the prophets, when studied in their original Hebrew, that Moshiach is a Jewish concept, and his coming will entail a return to Torah law, firmly ruling out any “other” messianic belief.

  14. Edgar, STOP YOUR BS

    by they meaning the Jews.

    Bullshit

    Moshiach is not mentioned in Torah,

    Bullshit. Isa.61

    [1] The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

    Whatever outer-space thing you think that word means, it is “Moshiach”. If you don’t think Isaiah is part of Torah, you can take your pedantic attitude and stuff it up the nearest available hole. You know I didn’t ask you whether the word was in Torah, in Tanach or is Asimov. You’re being an ass.

    FYI, I specifically asked you

    perhaps you can explain to me the “Jewish” understanding of the nature and mission of the Messiah/ messiah.

    Go back to reading Asimov, and stop bugging me with this nonesense. You continue to evade answering my questions, as usual.

  15. What does the word Moshiach mean?

    Moshiach is the Hebrew word for “messiah.” The word messiah in English means a savior or a “hoped-for deliverer.” The word moshiach in Hebrew actually means “anointed.” In Biblical Hebrew, the title moshiach was bestowed on somebody who had attained a position of nobility and greatness. For example, the high priest is referred to as the kohen ha-moshiach.

    In Talmudic literature the title Moshiach, or Melech HaMoshiach (the King Messiah), is reserved for the Jewish leader who will redeem Israel in the End of Days.

    One of the principles of Jewish faith enumerated by Maimonides is that one day there will arise a dynamic Jewish leader, a direct descendant of the Davidic dynasty, who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and gather Jews from all over the world and bring them back to the Land of Israel.

    All the nations of the world will recognize Moshiach to be a world leader, and will accept his dominion. In the messianic era there will be world peace, no more wars nor famine, and, in general, a high standard of living.

    All mankind will worship one G?d, and live a more spiritual and moral way of life. The Jewish nation will be preoccupied with learning Torah and fathoming its secrets.

    The coming of Moshiach will complete G?d’s purpose in creation: for man to make an abode for G?d in the lower worlds—that is, to reveal the inherent spirituality in the material world.

    For further discussion on this subject see: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/108400/jewish/The-End-of-Days.htm

  16. MIke-
    NO god-man was/is expected. THAT is indeed paganism

    You clearly said “some sort of pagan Man god hero” by they meaning the Jews. So please admit it. You SAID it. It’s GL ARING at me.
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    Moshiach is not mentioned in Torah, Only mentioned re; crowning of kings/Hight Priests.

    There ARE ambiguous phrases whose meanings were lost long before being noticed”. There…..!!……. 25 words.

    In ,past posts I’ve given my comments factual comments many times on Moshiach concept, how it arose, what happened to it. etc.

    Only deeply religious believe in it today, credulously religious……….
    Therefore mentally challenged.(beautiful euphism).

    Mike, I’ m presently ploughing through a book which would delight your heart and training. Asimov’s
    “Extra-Terrestrial Civilizations” It must have 1500 pages. Only on 11th chapter and I thought he’s dealt with everything , but he keeps saying “I’ll deal with this later in the book.

    He says there are 450,000,000 potentially livable planets in our Galaxy alone, and billions of Galaxies. Not an easy read but fascinating nevertheless.

    You’d be surprised at the calculations by which he comes to his beliefs, and the floods of famous figures as they each uncovered a scrap of proof towards the focus of his mammoth to me. tells and exposes their outmoded beliefs, and how successive astronomers have done it .I’ve just finished the “interstellar spores ” posit.

    He mentions Laplace and Cuvier, BOTH of whose works I literally have. Very large pages with archaic long “esses” etc.

    Ultra Massive.

  17. Hi, Edgar. You said,

    With all due respect, there is NOTHING pagan nor pagan-like about the Jewish Messiah expectation, credulous as it is. I’m surprised to se you say so.

    I would be surprised too, if I had said so. Can you find the reference? Ah… here it is:

    as unrealistic as the various “messianic” doctrines of the Jews. They all look toward some sort of pagan “man-god” hero to come on the scene and solve our problems for us,

    You do realize, I hope, Edgar, that Israeli use of the word “messianic” (note the use of non-capital letters) IS DEFINED as “hopelessly, unrealistically optimistic” (what you call “incredulous”). I learned this from Arutz 7 blogger Jay Shapiro. I didn’t say the “Jewish Messiah” is “pagan”. I said that various Christian doctrines about the “second coming” are hopelessly, unrealistically optimistic.

    BTW, in 25 words or less, perhaps you can explain to me the “Jewish” understanding of the nature and mission of the Messiah/ messiah. It MUST be in the Bible, via any translation. I’m still trying to figure out exactly what most Evangelical Christians believe on these matters.

  18. Mike=

    With all due respect, there is NOTHING pagan nor pagan-like about the Jewish Messiah expectation, credulous as it is. I’m surprised to se you say so.

    Also modern translation is “who knows BUT that you have come to your Royal position for such a time as this”…..

    Yours is the King James Version/Geneva, not the best for modern times.

    Wodin and Baldur stay in Valhalla permanently. Door Locked- Key Lost.

  19. Reversing Kissinger
    The former secretary of state’s 1972 opening to China badly weakened the U.S. By dispensing with that conceit, Trump shows he intends for America to win the great-power competition.
    BY
    LEE SMITH

    “…Indeed, Kissinger himself had prophesied the coming of the “reverse Kissinger,” for as he told Nixon only days before their fateful 1972 trip, a future American president “if he’s as wise as you, will wind up leaning towards the Russians against the Chinese.”

    Kissinger reportedly suggested the idea to Trump in 2017 and the president told me for my forthcoming book on China that lots of people agreed it was a bad idea to let Russia and China get close. There were many in the administration who wanted to see if there was a way to work with Moscow to hobble Beijing, but there was no way to get around Russiagate…

    ‘With his reputation as the Marco Polo of globalism firmly established through his public sector work, Kissinger’s job in the private sector was to help get U.S. companies into the enormous Chinese market with nearly a billion potential consumers. According to Kissinger—and the dozens, then hundreds, then thousands of Kissinger clones that came after—it was to be the heyday of U.S.-China trade. Except the Americans knew that dating back 200 years there had never really been a Chinese market for U.S. goods, except for opium. In fact, what the big U.S. corporate bosses really wanted was to replace American workers with China’s huge pool of cheap labor by offshoring manufacturing. And thus began the purposeful impoverishment of the U.S. middle class, what Trump calls American carnage.

    This is what Trump is trying to undo with his protectionist policies, like his now 20% tariff on Chinese goods. Making America great again requires protecting American workers and our industrial base—our national security and national character depend on it. Thus, his strategic goal is to reverse the devastation of the heartland that began with Kissinger. And it seems he believes that trying to pull Putin away from Xi Jinping is a useful tactic in that larger effort. Who knows if he’ll succeed, but the fact is that unlike Kissinger, Trump isn’t playing for a tie. He intends to win.”

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/reversing-kissinger-trump-china

  20. Ceasefire in Ukraine would be the opposite of a Ceasefire with Hamas because the secessionist forces in Ukraine never wanted anything but autonomy and the U.S. installed central government just wanted to wipe them out. So, they joined the Russian Federation, the same way Texas joined the U.S. But, the Gazan Arabs had autonomy. Israel was happy to give them autonomy for the sake of peace. But all the Gazan Arabs, and for that matter the Arabs of Yesha want is to wipe Israel and the Jews out. So, all else aside, any attempt at equivalence is fallacious. The two situations are as different as apples and oranges.

  21. @Vivarto Do you believe Hamas can be removed without a fight or that renewed fighting is anything but a matter of time if they are not? I don’t know what Trump will do. He got rid of the Islamic State (Isis), after all. He finished the war nobody else could. This war will never be over as long as Israel’s war aims are not met. And if Israel doesn’t act soon, Hamas will. The idea that these Arab states want to invest billions in re-building in a devastated yet inhabited war zone that is in a very temporary state of cease fire is absolutely absurd. I think they just want to derail Trump’s plan.

  22. Hi Michael Well, in my world, the Messiah refers to Handel’s Messiah which everybody plays around Christmas time. Around Easter/Passover time, everybody plays Mendelssohn’s Elijah Oratorio.

    Tradition!

    And, perhaps, Peter Shickele might have come up with PDQ Bach’s Meshuge Oratorio, back in the day. 😀

    PDQ Bach

    ‘The Seasonings” Oratorio

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZXPzlsITA

  23. Hi, Sebastien

    In Israel, being “messianic” essentially means, “being hopelessly, unrealistically optimistic”, so your ” 😀 ” suggestion is as likely as any.

    I also consider the various Christian doctrines about the “second coming” to be as unrealistic as the various “messianic” doctrines of the Jews. They all look toward some sort of pagan “man-god” hero to come on the scene and solve our problems for us, Superman-style. Vivarto‘s “Trump = Messiah” are equally valid and at the same time equally unlikely.

    Donald Trump is a charismatic, visionary leader, as capable as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.; but even so, even he does not claim to have gotten us thus far: It is the hope, faith determination and prayers of the American people, entering into God’s foreordained plan, plus some outright miracles such as the ear-grazing assasination-gone-awry that have done it. If there is to be a semblance of “lasting peace” in Ukraine, Israel or elsewhere, it will be because of this as well.

    You know what Mordecai said to Ester,

    Esth.4
    [14] For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father’s house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?

  24. That’s easy. Russia just has to become Communist again and the liberals will defend it and its supporters like they did before for over 70 years. 😀

  25. A very sad opinion.
    What we need is for the nations to come together and seek a win-win for all. Not the old paradigm where there always must be an adversary.

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  26. @Michael S

    You aren’t being realistic. What you are demanding is Messiah.

    Michael, how do you know that Trump is not a Messiah?
    He may very well be. Your ideas about the Messiah just may not correspond to the reality.

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  27. Hello, Peloni. You said,

    You think it would take a Messiah to be similarly motivated to Trump… but expect the peace which Trump establishes to last?

    Lasting peace has never been established ANYWHERE [as I see it], so all these points are irrelevant. Not only is “peace” undefined; but so is “lasting”. President Trump believes he can help bring about what HE considers to be a “peace”, which HE brelieves will be somewhat lasting. I agree with him, and you don’t. I believe as I do, because Donald Trump has a good reputation as a peacemaker. You don’t have to try to put words in my mouth, as you have been, in order to understand that. On the other hand, you insist that Trump’s successor must be a certain kind of person, in order for Trump to accomplish this. Trump is not the Messiah, nor a prophet; and neither are any of us; and none of us has the final say-so on what will happen hereafter.

  28. @Michael

    What you are demanding is Messiah.

    You think it would take a Messiah to be similarly motivated to Trump in his interest towards peace, but expect the peace which Trump establishes to last? You might want to explain how that might work?

  29. Peloni, You said,

    for this to be true, Trump’s successors would need to be similarly motivated to act as Trump has,

    You aren’t being realistic. What you are demanding is Messiah.

  30. @Michael
    None of what I wrote was related to the strength of leadership, but to the ability of leadership to act independent of the oligarchic wants which led to the seizure of Ukraine and the attempted use of Ukraine as a bully stick to overthrow Russia.

    You say that Trump is “is well on his way to brokering a lasting deal in the Ukraine”, but for this to be true, Trump’s successors would need to be similarly motivated to act as Trump has, independent of US oligarchs. Where is there such leadership in the US? There wasn’t any such leader present on the stage challenging Trump in the primary, and there likely won’t be any present in the next primary which will choose Trump’s successor, whoever that might be.

    In any event, this was the point I raised in the preface, which isn’t relatable to Hitler, Churchill or Stalin.

  31. Hi, Peloni. You said,

    but where is his [Pres. Trump] like to be found in Europe?

    I don’t think Europe has had a stronger leader than Hitler, Churchill and Stalin. Besides having leadership ability, all three were visionary. The others have pretty much been place-holders.

    Western Europe, specifically, is controlled by the Globalist enterprise. As such, it has the same leader as the US Deep State, Japan & allies. Curiously, that leader is completely invisible. “AI” is a close approximation of its avatar.

    There has never been “peace” in Europe; but I think President Trump is well on his way to brokering a lasting deal in the Ukraine. What historians have called “peace” pretty much approximates “exhaustion”.