Potential cease-fire deal faces harsh criticism

Mati Tuchfeld and Gideon Allon, ISRAEL HAYOM

August 13, 2014 | 24 Comments »

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  1. Unfortunately nobody ever died of “harsh criticism”.

    How about charging Israel’s current leaders with treason and implementing the death penalty?

  2. yamit82 Said:

    Fatah official calls for dual nationality troops to be prosecuted

    ……from your article:

    Shtayyeh said that “the Palestinian leadership is considering placing Palestine under international trusteeship to provide international protection for the Palestinian people.”

    This is interesting as I wonder how the UN would get into A & B and what would happen if Israel let them into A&B but not C. Perhaps that could result in a defacto severing of C from the Pals leading at least to a future annexation of some of C. As it is now it is difficult to imagine the scenario where an Israeli gov would either claim OR annex C.

    Another interesting scenario involves the fact that hamas has never declared a pal state in gaza and then claiming all the other areas. I believe they are afraid to do that because it would give them clear initial borders and render acquiring the west bank more difficult as it would be 2 states disputing their borders and they might have less chance maintaining the connection with the west bank. As most would declare a state in their position it tells me that hamas and PA are, and have been in collaboration on this issue. Gaza could have had a state by now as it fulfills the requirements of a state as opposed to YS whose borders are undisputed and undefined. Therefore gaza appears to be waiting for the PA for something.

  3. yamit82 Said:

    Fatah official calls for dual nationality troops to be prosecuted

    It appears that in every area of battle Israel is on the defensive mode. The pals are pursuing Israel in every arena and Israel is either dormant or defensive only. Why isn’t Israel pursuing Pals aggressively in the other arenas such as lawfare etc. The pals are the innovators and creative ones and the Jews are the frumps, taking their licks and complaining rather than being on the attack. The pals identify the areas where Israel is vulnerable and attack , Israel waits for the attack and then reacts, usually on the defensive. It is the pals who should be at the mercy of the state of Israel in all venues including lawfare, PR and diplomacy.

    You and I have had this discussion before and I think many Israelis take your perspective that lawfare is unimportant but from where I sit it appears to me that it is in the area of lawfare and PR that Israel is getting all its problems and that lawfare and PR thwart and diminish Israels military strength, rendering her military victories moot. We never thought we would see the day that the Jew is strong but dumb.

    I think Israel should take people like Leitner(shurat ha din) and create a serious battle unit of lawfare and pr and remodel their diplomacy to incorporate those assets.

    I believe that a US citizen may lose his US citizenship serving in a foreign army. Dual citizenship in the US is a grey area. My point is that it is Israel who should be raising bogeys everywhere on the Pals and not vice versa. Poor strategy.

  4. Fatah official calls for dual nationality troops to be prosecuted

    Muhammad Shtayyeh said there were around 5,000 Israeli soldiers with dual nationality, approximately 1,000 of whom have American citizenship

    A salute to lone soldiers

    There are more than 5,000 foreign lone soldiers serving in the IDF, about a third of whom are from North America. They are following in the footsteps of thousands of other lone soldiers from abroad who have fought for the country before and after the establishment of the state

    “Their lives and deaths highlight the heroism of lone soldiers – men and women who leave “the good life” in the Diaspora to defend the Jewish state.”

  5. @ bernard ross:

    With Obama supporting Hamas, they have nothing to gain by cease fire. As long as the leaders are not threatened they will play hard ball. Israel will settle for quiet and that leaves Hamas in control and weakening Israel internationally by the day.

  6. @ bernard ross:

    Shimon Peres was born Szymon Perski, on 2 August 1923, in Wiszniew, Poland (now Vishnyeva, Belarus),

    Bacall once blew up at young Anderson Cooper for supporting Palestinian state

    The late actress Lauren Bacall,(Born Betty Joan Perske in 1924, Bacall was raised in New York City by immigrant parents.) a cousin of ex-president Shimon Peres, once upbraided a young Anderson Cooper for voicing support for the Palestinians at a dinner party, Page Six reports.

    Bacall, an avid supporter of Israel, was at a dinner thrown by Cooper’s mother, Gloria Vanderbilt, in 1982. The 14-year-old future CNN anchor said to the guests that “something has to be done to help the Palestinians. We need a Palestinian state,” the report says.

    “Bacall, a big supporter of Israel, went nuts,” dinner party attendee and former congressman John LeBoutillier recounts. “She eviscerates this kid in front of everyone, humiliates the hostess’s son. Anderson was in tears.”

    Cooper, for his part, confirmed the story to Page Six, but said there were no tears.

  7. Cairo official: Truce calls for Israeli recognition of Palestinian gov’t including Hamas
    . The long-term truce being negotiated in Cairo calls for Israeli recognition of a Palestinian government that includes Hamas, a senior Egyptian official told Haaretz on Thursday. Also, Hamas and Islamic Jihad delegates to the Cairo talks said the emerging truce carries no time limit, lifts the blockade on Gaza, and includes talks on construction of a Gazan seaport and airport within a month after the deal is signed. In addition, they said Israel asked Egyptian mediators to take its demand for the demilitarization of the Strip to the Palestinian negotiators, but the Egyptians declined. (Zvi Bar’el)
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.610467

  8. @ bernard ross:

    I believe Israel has adequate supplies for the momnet but must be prepared for all eventualities like an unexpected attack from Lebanon.

    The munitions requested by Israel were already on order as part of the American yearly mil aid package. Israel only requested that back orders be expedited for immediate delivery instead of deliveries scheduled till the end of this year. Under the circumstances I think it was a normal request and originally answered positively by the Pentagon.

    Apparently Obama used the request to hit at BB more than Israel. Obama wants to bring BB down so that a more friendly and compliant PM can give him what he has sought from day one of his first admin. A negotiated Palis state.

    He may not have anything else to show as a success in foreign policy for his 8 years in office. 2-1/2 years might be enough time to effect his hoped for conclusion, doing what no other POTUS has ever done before.

    Israel will probably get their munitions order as scheduled but delivered quietly. Congress can ifthey choose force him to comply by using it to stick it to Obama on domestic agendas. Obama was pissed to learn Israel was working congress to out flank him which is also normal in some situations. Elections in a few months and Obama is vulnerable. The other side of the coin is Many Americans don’t like it when they see foreigners interfering in their political process openly.

    Israel can make whatever it needs but there is always a budget fight and funds are limited. I say embargoes are great because it forces Israel to even against her will to become more independent.

  9. yamit82 Said:

    Obama seems to be doing his part to help our external and internal enemies.

    and it appears that Lapid, Herzog and gal on quickly jumped on in support of Obama. Livni said she had not heard this news.
    Also cabinet ministers complain of BB not communicating with them, leaving them in the dark as to what is going on.

  10. yamit82 Said:

    IF ISRAEL DOES NOT HAVE HER OWN ISRAELI MADE EQUIV TO HELLFIRE MISSILES MADE IN AMERICA, IT WILL HAVE SOON AFTER BEING BLOCKED BY OBAMA.

    Do you expect that Israel will suddenly cease those programs with the US now and start their own…..or is it just your hope? I wish they would but I suspect they will instead eat crow. After all, the Israeli left immediately jumped to support Obama.

  11. yamit82 Said:

    IN THE END A WIN WIN FOR ISRAEL

    Thanks for the information, I send it to a friend who is a Captain in Air force and very pro-Israel.

  12. yamit82 Said:

    Report: Washington-Jerusalem ties reach new low

    How many more months with that anti-Israeli, do-nothing, Islamofascist enabling president in power?

    The world is lost if another one like him gets in power in the USA.

  13. @ bernard ross:

    AGM-142 Raptor
    Popeye I Have Nap
    Popeye II Have Lite

    The AGM-142 Have Nap is an Israeli-built Popeye missile acquired by the USAF. The AGM-142 is a medium range conventional stand off missile provides the Air Force with a precision man-in-the-loop capability for the B-52H to attack high value, fixed targets from standoff ranges. The AGM-142 provided the first precision guided munitions capability for the B-52H platform. The program is managed by the Precision Strike System Program Office at Eglin Air Force Base, FL, and is produced by Precision Guided Systems United States (PGSUS) of Orlando, FL. Work on the AGM-142 system is performed at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control – Orlando, in Orlando, FL, and Troy, AL, and at locations in Israel.

    IF ISRAEL DOES NOT HAVE HER OWN ISRAELI MADE EQUIV TO HELLFIRE MISSILES MADE IN AMERICA, IT WILL HAVE SOON AFTER BEING BLOCKED BY OBAMA.

    ISRAEL WILL MAKE THEM BETTER AND CHEAPER AND THEN SELL THEM TO MANY AMERICAN CUSTOMERS.

    IN THE END A WIN WIN FOR ISRAEL. 🙂

    Keep it up Obama. I love it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5Gxcjh3dU

  14. bernard ross Said:

    Obama misses the mark on Netanyahu

    “According to Obama, only internal pressure will lead Netanyahu to compromise.”

    Most missed and didn’t copy the Obama subtle message he has used before: (POPULAR UPRISING)of the people to dislodge BB, bypassing the democratic process and democratic will of the people. He said the same thing at his speech to Students in Israel when he last visited.

    THIS ALL OVER OUR NEWS CHANNELS TODAY:

    Obama Reportedly Blocks Israel Missile Shipment
    US administration
    officials stop missile transfer, order all future transfers to be scrutinized in sign of further cooling ties.

    A new report reveals that US President Barack Obama’s administration stopped a shipment of missiles to Israel late last month and tightened weapons shipment procedures to Israel, as tensions between the two nations grow amid Operation Protective Edge.

    The report in the Wall Street Journal, released Wednesday night

    Israel’s mobile missile defence system: What is the Iron Dome?

    rockets has been fired at Israelis cities since Monday, including Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and the city of Dimona——home to an Israeli nuclear facility.

    But the attempted attack comes after a false report last week that the plant has been successfully attacked.

    On July 3, the IDF’s official Twitter account was hacked and a message reading “WARNING: Possible nuclear leak in the region after 2 rockets hit Dimona nuclear facility,” was posted.

    According to Haaretz, the Syrian Electronic Army was behind the hack job.

    The attempted attack on Dimona followed Hamas firing longer range rocket on Tuesday, hitting the city of Hadera, about 45 minutes north of Tel Aviv.

    “According to Obama, only internal pressure will lead Netanyahu to compromise.”

    Obama seems to be doing his part to help our external and internal enemies.